“THE PHILOSOPHANTOM” Get it? Philosophy as in a Truth seeker And their gimmick is to show the ugly TRUTH of “MYYYS-TER-EEE INNN **COOOR**POR AAATED.” And it’s a Phantom title
Nah nah. How bout… “The Phantom Master”? Oooohh Its like a ring leader Title controlling the old monsters and creeps or “phantoms of the solved mysteries” If you will~
Don’t forget how in the first one Shaggy is the hero who saves the rest of the gang and then in the 2nd one, him and Scooby are like “we do nothing right, I wish we could be real detectives”. Shaggy literally has a character setback
I really hate when sequels are approached as "the same as the first one, BUT EVEN MORE" instead of building off of it. If I wanted to watch the same movie twice, I'd do that (and oh boy, do I ever). But if I'm gonna watch *new* content, it better be new Isntead of the comfort of the familiar or the novelty of the unfamiliar, you just spend the whole time annoyed it's not quite either.
@@mmmk9966just thinking about it I have ideas on how I would change the first one from doing a live action zombie Island or witches ghost or just rewriting and fixing the first and making a few small changes to the second
When I was a kid, I always thought Monsters Unleashed WAS the first one, and the island one was the sequel. This is mostly because I actually watched that one first, so my memory automatically autocorrected into that order. Congratulations, Nerd Sync. I'm living your dream.
Another thing to note; SCRAPPY'S arc makes more sense in this order too! By this order the "First" movie has Mystery Inc as hometown heroes, celebrated, then reviled, then celebrated again... all with no mention of one Scrappy Doo. Then in the Sequel it turns out Scrappy's gone mad, because he's been forgotten. In a movie with mentions to ALL of the all-stars of Scooby-Doo, not only is Scrappy absent, he's not even brought up. Boom.
But he’d already been “forgotten” to some degree from the franchise itself, I mean they did an entire run of feature length vhs movies where he was nonexistent. So it makes sense from a metatextual perspective.
god I didn't realize anyone else cared about the second movie as much as me. ive always found it to be one of the best movie adaptations ever and no one believes me until I force them to watch it. i think ive forced 4 people to watch it now, and they all ended up loving it. the humour, set pieces, cgi (for it's time), and the fact that there are so many culprits and moving parts to the mystery, like god is it good
These live actions are everything Disney is trying and failing to do with theirs: it identified what worked about the cartoon series and then thought about how they could use the strengths of live action sets and astronomical film budgets to amplify those elements, whereas with Disney it feels like they're going back to retroactively "fix" their movies. But, if they'd really needed to be fixed, then they wouldnt have become beloved classics with a huge market for a live-action remake. This is one of the few remakes where they understood they weren't reinventing the wheel, they were putting them on hydraulics.
Okay, so please tell me that you also noticed the Mandela effect too? How the milkshake cup scooby throws on the chafer in the beginning used to be a Burger King cup and now it’s a KFC cup?? Or when they go to old man wickles mansion and shaggy says “why can’t we ever investigate like a haunted KFC or something?” But i know he used to say “why can’t we ever investigate a haunted Burger King or something?” Ive been confused about this for years but since, as you said, hardly anyone cares about this movie its very hard to find people that care enough to talk about it with me or even people who know what im talking about. Someone, PLEASE TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS!! I assume the movie had a partnership with burger king when it came out, i think i even remember Burger King commercials that were about this movie AND i think i remember them having SD2MU toys in their kids meals. I assume they had a partnership and then they lost it and lost the rights to the name so they had to edit out all the BK references and instead changed it to KFC which I assume was way cheaper. And it’s not just my memory either!!! If you listen when shaggy says that line you can hear a change in the audio right when he says “KFC”. Like you can tell that they did some post editing and tell that they looped in something new. This drives me crazy and even if it is as simple as them losing their partnership like I assume id still love to talk about it with someone because it’s been on my mind for over a decade. Please help me. EDIT!!!! If you watch this very video, the clip of shaggy getting out of the limo with the cup is the original!!! The cup in his hand in this video says Burger King!!!! But if you go watch it on amazon or anything like that the cup says KFC!!! It feels so good to finally see proof that it used to say Burger King!! It gives me such relief.
@@Robin-ps9wq I’m so glad someone else noticed this detail! It’s been driving me crazy for years. Im actually surprised i caught it, nobody told me about it, i just noticed it on one of my watches and then i kept finding more and more evidence that a switch happened.
Headcanon that Daphne gets picked to be the damsel in distress all the time because if the gang weren’t able to save her they’re all pretty sure that she’d be able to save herself if the situation got dicey
I think the reason why unleashed works better as the first movie is because the original movie assumes you know the basic Scooby universe. So it wanted to "shake up" the cartoons. But unleashed wants to honor the Scooby verse rather than subvert it. Great video as always!!
@@mikaelm5367 Yeah, trying to subvert the formula as part of a formula never works. That's why Zombie Island worked so well, it followed the formula, but changed one key ingredient for a whole new flavour.
The thing is, that’s kind of the exact reason why the first film was the way it was. The studio wanted a Scooby Doo film that would get adults in go see it in droves. And not just any adults- jaded and cynical 90s young adults! (A release year of 2002 probably puts the start of preproduction somewhere between 1998 and 2000, with the likely delay from 9/11 suggesting it might be on the earlier end.) It was I’m sure a pervasive belief at the time among the suits, and probably many creatives as well, that adults at that time would simply not buy in to a sincere, unironic, straight-forward Scooby-Doo live action movie. That it’d be taken as a lame joke and immediately flop. Keep in mind, nostalgia culture had yet to explode via the internet into what we understand today. It was a different time. Of course the ironic thing is, the studio then proceeded to chicken out and gutted James Gunn’s original vision for what was supposed to be a PG-13 relatively mature deconstruction. But the basic idea for what it needed to be still stood intact. And hey, once that first movie got audiences on board with Scooby and the gang in this new medium (assuming it was enough of a success, which I guess they concluded it was?), they could follow up with another story that went back to their roots! Hence why the second film was the way it was.
I think the issue was that live action remakes weren't as much of a thing back then. My guess is the production was pushed to make it appeal to adults as much as possible while keeping it in the correct rating bracket, cause the mindset was that you needed to sell children's movies to adults since they're the ones who actually buy the tickets. Then for the second one, they remembered that Scooby Doo has been around for so long, that even the parents grew up watching it. The easiest way to appeal to the adults isn't by defying the cartoon by making it more adult, it's by making the adults feel like kids again by re-delivering familiar elements, but with the production budget to do so in a way that even adults can suspend their disbelief for. When in doubt, really weird production choices are usually the result of a nervous studio meddling into the artistic process cause they want to hedge their bets. It turns out lower quality but more consistently profitable titles unfortunately
When I saw Scooby Doo 1, I was actually shocked that Scrappy was the villain, I never knew people hated Scrappy, sadly when the flashback happened, I figured it out.
That makes sense... All through out the "Scooby Doo Museum." Why didn't they mention Scrappy? Scrappy would have been a great second movie villain. Could have driven the narrative that they left him out of their stardom and he would be bitter, instead of "Eeew he peepeed on Daphne, better throw him out of the van in the middle of no where."
“I am not a fan of turning scrappy into a villain just because he’s a little bit obnoxious.“ Me, a fan of scrappy Doo: being obnoxious is the gateway to pride, and pride is the gateway to selfishness, and selfishness is the gateway to evil.
You putting it this way actually makes a lot of sense. Scrappy was desperate for validation, for belonging. He was never given it, so he became a villain instead.
It would be weird if it was flim as that would feel somewhat out of character (despite being a con artist it doesn't seem like he would be evil although I guess there could be a case of scrappy manipulating him Wich would be interesting. It would probably make me want to punch scrappy considering that kid has already been through enough and scrappy doing that would no doute hurt flim a lot. It would still be interesting.)
The cast of these movies was off the charts, honestly. I love that Mathew Lillard was so good he still plays Shaggy, despite how poorly the two films were received.
I'm always shocked at how well Monsters Unleashed's CGI holds up, especially compared to the, eh, "first" film. Remember, this is just two years later and millions less. That's right; Monsters Unleashed had a smaller budget than the original, and presumably some of that was Alicia Silverstone money.
I legit got into a mini argument with my sister a couple weeks ago about the order of the movies. She started watching the movies. When she put on the first one, I told her she was watching the second. After a little back and forth between us, I looked it up and she was right. It just made so much more sense to me to have the order switched for all the reasons you mentioned (especially having the gang split up in a sequel), that my brain switched them then continued on for several years thinking nothing different. Thank you for validating this.
Interesting that in the Scrappy flashback, Fred's hair is longer like in the sequel. In your viewing order, it makes a bit more sense. Hes trimmed up and the gang is happy-go-lucky coming off the adventures after Monster's Unleashed. Think this whole conceot is top tier. The real question: What, if any, would your sequel to this version of the movies be?
If I was to make a sequel to these films in this new order I would adapt the 'Scooby Doo Apocalypse' comics into sequel adventures. If you haven't read them they are a must for any Scoob fan and an easy read.
The third movie is a prequel taking place during their high school years. It’s probably the weakest of the three but I think it aligns pretty good timeline wise. Prequel covers the first mystery. Followed by og show. Followed by monsters unleashed with the return of those monsters. And then the first movie which is now the second dealing with their greatest mystery.
@@AnimatedTerror Scooby-Doo The Mystery Begins was not a prequel to the original films. It acts as a sort of prequel to the original series but is followed up by sequel itself called Curse of the Lake Monster.
It was only while editing that I realized I totally rewrote my memory of the first Scooby-Doo movie haha. Obviously I call the first ghost the Lunar Ghost when it's just the Luna Ghost, and I also refer to the film as _Scooby-Doo: The Movie_ when it's just _Scooby-Doo_ haha oh well
Hey Scott, I'm a huge fan of the dedication you put into your work, so please don't take this wrong but...do you know about James Gunn's original version of the first (2002) film? If you do know, then dont read the rest of this: It didn't just have the bit about Velma, but Daphne was her love interest, Shaggy was a stoner (hence the leftover Mary Jane joke), and Fred would've been the dumbest character ever(which remained to an extent). When the film was given an R rating, Gunn was told to scale back the project and make it more kid friendly. The studio eventually got the film to the point where it was no longer the self-parody Gunn had intended it to be. This is why it feels so odd at times, and why most of the deleted scenes feel like they belong in a completely different movie. So when it came time for the sequel, Gunn actually knew what type of film he was going for, thus the overinclusion of fun nods, old characters, and classic tropes. This is why the second one is more like a Scooby-Doo celebration instead of the first one where executives just panicked and forced a Zombie Island clone into existence.
Dude that ain't a problem, what matters is that FINALLY someone talked about this. Why no one talked about this before? Thank you Scott, you are my hero 🤧
When I was younger I watched these movies, but I never knew their order. I always thought monsters unleashed came first, and the spooky island with ghosts came second.
I don’t know how I’ve gone the past 22 years of my life without ever realizing that the masked figure in Scooby Doo 2 didn’t have a name. It’s like when I discovered the main kid from Polar Express didn’t have a name. My whole childhood is ruined!!!
As a kid, the Coast Guard being evil scene always confused me. But as an adult I get that the Big Bad would make sure the gang couldn't leave after they'd arrived.
@@NerdSyncProductions tbh I always forget that scene like it was a fever dream then when it happens, I'm like what? I don't remember this. I used to keep playing the movie when I was little on vhs even watching the deleted scenes and music videos
The space ghost thing was the only monster out of this show that genuinely scared me as a child... like almost as much as the "return the slab" ghost of ramses from courage the cowardly dog
@@cooltrainervaultboy-39 so that's where I first saw it! I had that as a kid to, and I distinctly remember watching the Ramses episode before we had tv.
Alright dog, you got me convinced. SD2MU is officially now the first movie in my mind, and whenever I have kids, they will be watching the movies in the correct order.
I personally found the Tar monster to be the scariest... but that's because the scene where he nearly suffocates the gang kind of traumatized me as a kid (luckily it was followed up by one of the coolest Scooby scenes hands down, don't @ me)
👍 that movie made the Tar Monster my favourite Scooby-Doo monster! I loved the design for some reason and the CGI. Whenever the Tar Monster was around there was a real danger, he was the strongest of all the monsters and he was actually going to kill the gang. And then like you say, Scooby had an awesome hero moment, that is my favourite scene!
Idk that Shaggy's all about Mary Jane because he's a stoner, maybe he just really identifies with Spider-Man and it's super unhealthy. Or he likes Tom Petty.
By the time you get to the airplane there has already been a lot of stoner innuendo. Case in point the smoke coming out of the van. I remember going to it in theaters in college. Buddies and I were only ones that were not moms with little kids. And we could feel every moms eyes on us when we laughed at the stoner jokes or at scrappy saying Fred didn't have the scroat to be leader
@@ATroknya I was mostly musing that he chose the Mary Jane part as his proof. It's been a while since seeing the movie but there are only a couple more stoner jokes after that point. Before it, a lot. Lol
The first movie was the way it was because of Zombie Island's success. I imagine studio execs said do that again but in live action, people liked it when the monsters were real and they were trapped on an island. Plus throw in a character out of the blue that fans will know for that nostalgia pandering. Oh and the gang disbanding and getting back together again with Daphne getting more agency.
I like that one better than the first one movie. The live action one was stupid will the zombie island make sense because each of them went separate lives and when reunited it feels like old times, not when Fred, daphne and Velma are bickering like whiney bitches.
I think you're right on the money there - I think it also makes sense why, from a production standpoint, they happened in the order they did. First, "oh yeah, Zombie Island did great, let's get us a slice of that success", only to find it DIDN'T do well with mainstream cinema audiences, leading them to try again with a more "classic" take on Scooby.
The studio wanted a Scooby Doo film that would get adults in go see it in droves. And not just any adults- jaded and cynical 90s young adults! (This is even more accurate than I thought if the previous commenter is right.) It was I’m sure a pervasive belief at the time among the suits, and probably many creatives as well, that adults at that time would simply not buy in to a sincere, unironic, straight-forward Scooby-Doo live action movie. That it’d be taken as a lame joke and immediately flop. Keep in mind, nostalgia culture had yet to explode via the internet into what we understand today. It was a different time. Of course the ironic thing is, the studio then proceeded to chicken out and gutted James Gunn’s original vision for what was supposed to be a PG-13 relatively mature deconstruction. But the basic idea for what it needed to be still stood intact. And hey, once that first movie got audiences on board with Scooby and the gang in this new medium (assuming it was enough of a success, which I guess they concluded it was?), they could follow up with another story that went back to their roots! Hence why the second film was the way it was.
Oh my gosh. THANK YOU!! I was SO confused when the movies came up in conversation in my family and I insisted on the "wrong order". Glad to know I'm not the only one who believes the movies make more sense in reverse!! Thank you for making this video!
Can we talk about how the first movie was supposed to be an adult-focused film that got watered down? And how troublesome where the making of both films? On the other hand: From now on, 2 is 1 and 1 is 2. End of story. Also this remembered me the "the ice age films are backwards" theory.
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Honestly, yours was the one I was looking forward to the most. Your Scooby Doo deep dive is one of my favorite videos of yours. It would have been too easy to just pick an MCU villain, Disney animated film, or etc. Great work!
If Velma dated Seth Green in the first movie and then be revealed to be gay in the second, that would be extra funny as that is the second time that’s happened to one of his characters. Guy needs to avoid Sarah Michelle Geller’s friends.
The more I think about it the more this makes more and more sense. One of my biggest peeves in the second movie was how Flanderized Mystery Incorporated was. Scooby and Shaggy were the worst off, pretty much delegated as useless idiot mascots where the "first" movie had them competent, savy, and able to save the day. Then there's the fact that they are legitimately made to look younger in the second movie. It might be a stretch but everyone's outfits were kept the same or at least not too deviated compared to the first, and the fact that Fred's hairstyle deliberately makes him look ten years younger.
Finally did my rewatch of the two films in this order and had an amazing time revisiting them. I wholeheartedly agree that there's no better way to watch them and Monsters Unleashed was such a blast! Thank you for inspiring me to check them out again after all these years. Happy Scoobtober! :)
Scrappy being a villain strangely didn’t work for me either. If it was on a more Meta level or if it was done in the Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated (2010) series it would have worked. After Scrappy got kicked out, he should have started his own detective agency only he was not doing as successfully as the gang. Years later he could have met the Mystery crew again at the airport gates or somewhere on spooky island and resenting the gang and not wanting them in his business. He could have been another red herring for another villain of the film only to reveal he was trying to figure out the Daemon Ritus cult on his own. Near the end he could have teamed up with his uncle to defeat the real villain. At the end he’d part ways with the gang again but on more friendly terms with the gang wishing him luck where ever he goes.
@@ggbooliano Just because he's a detective doesn't mean he has to be a good one. It would make a good compare and contrast to the gang who are decent mystery solvers who have spilt apart and now have their place filled with people like scrappy trying to imitate them. You could even give him his own team who are parodies of the gang and all incompetent at solving mysteries in different ways.
The Scrappy reveal seems so out of place because it was designed for a much more out-there, metatextual, deconstructionist story, which the Scooby-Doo movie was originally going to be, before the studio chickened out and gutted James Gunn’s plans.
@@ggbooliano Who says that detectives can't be pushy? And I'm pretty sure Scrappy has done detective work before, so that "wouldn't work in any world" part doesn't work.
Never seen a video from you. This video was great, fun, and entertaining all the way through. I think you hit on nostalgia really well. Keep it up, and I hope to watch more.
I... I can't believe that all these years there has been someone out there in the world that shared this same problem with the live action scoob movies with the same passion than me You are my hero right now, no joking man 😂🤧
To the point about the subtitles being reversed: Ya know what goes on a leash to get unleashed? Dogs. Or... puppies. Scrappy Doo would have been the perfect villain specifically for a movie called Monsters Unleashed! Major missed opportunity for a play on words.
We've got Scott, clone Scott, time travel Scott, and ghost Scott. At this point so many different Scotts have been . . . . . unleashed!? Guys I think Scott is the villain of Monsters Unleashed, they just forgot to take the third mask off. I'm gonna blow this conspiracy wide open!
Cartoon Network, at least here in my region, did think the same way NerdSync does as they used to broadcast both movies back to back but Monsters Unleashed ALWAYS went first and “Scooby Doo" second. I'm guessing that's why so many people, myself included, thought that actually was the order of the films. It's like a weird Mandela effect thing.
I guess I had always just assumed Monsters Unleashed was the original script the studio wasn't ready to cough up the budget for. 🤷🏾♂️ I wonder if there's a timeline, where The Scooby films did come out in this order. Bet It would have at least been a trilogy, then... 🤔💯🖖🏾
I've watched both movies so many times...like too many times. And everytime I rewatch them I watch the "sequel" first and then the first movie. I thought I was alone
The only reason your theory falls apart is Daphne's characterization as a martial artist. It would've made her role in MU very strange. The first film, despite deleting the very important scene explaining it, provides some nice progression for her character. From damsel in distress, to a badass.
Literally all that has to happen is a throwaway line from Daphne, just like in the first movie, that she's sick of being a damsel in distress. The beginning of the first movie where she gets captured by the luna ghost can simply be reframed as frustration. She can say something like "I'm a black belt and they STILL keep getting the jump on me!" and feel some faltering confidence. When in reality, being dangled in the air like she was isn't really something you can martial arts your way out of and besides training against dummies and peers isn't the same as actual street fighting where your opponent won't play by the rules and has true malicious intent. In all likelihood regardless of her training, she would freeze up (and feel awful about it) in the face of real life-threatening danger. Her characterization can then shift to an "I've got this. I can do it this time" narrative. If you're telling someone to just watch the movies in the wrong order and view the canon that way, you're right, her role in the luna ghost argument may serve as a plot hole. But if we're coming at this from a "why were these movies written in this order? production should've swapped them" angle, it's very easy to rework. At absolute laziest it takes a single scene reshoot and everything is fine.
@@baydiac didn't Daphne say I'm a black belt now to Fred and velma in the airport? Why would she say that if she already was in fighting the knight in the "Sequel"? If Velma and Fred knew Daphne could fight in the first movie why did the chuckle?
Funny thing: I really only ever got to see these movies on tv, and I pretty much from the start assumed that the original was a sequel. It makes a hell of a lot of sense even to a little kid who hadn't watched a ton of the original shows. It was actually only a few months ago that I pearned that Monsters Unleashed was the real sequel. Thanks for the wonderful video and giving me justification for believing in the better viewing order! :)
I just stumbled onto this channel and never in my life have I seen someone with a deep appreciation for Scooby-Doo on the same level that I do. From the passionate way you speak about the series and it's lore down to us sharing the same favorite classic Scooby villain it's very moving. Instant sub
The first film is not the start of a franchise nor does it exist in a vacuum. Every 90's film was about jaded characters, let alone a bunch of live action versions of cartoons, reboots and meta commentary horrors. Sarah Michelle Gellar as Daphne is evidence, and a great joke. Not only did she play a reverse Daphne, but Buffy's crew were officially referred to as The Scooby gang. The first film is an answer to every criticism the audiences had at the time. Having proven themselves, the second film gets to be a love letter to the franchise. If that movie came out first there would be no reason for a second film. Probably instead there'd be a parody with more inconsistent humor, that could never be as direct about the franchise.
You are absolutely right! The studio wanted a Scooby Doo film that would get adults in go see it in droves. Jaded and cynical 90s young adults, specifically. It was I’m sure a pervasive belief at the time among the suits, and probably many creatives as well, that adults at that time would simply not buy in to a sincere, unironic, straight-forward Scooby-Doo live action movie. That it’d be taken as a lame joke and immediately flop. Keep in mind, nostalgia culture had yet to explode via the internet into what we understand today. It was a different time. Of course the ironic thing is, the studio then proceeded to chicken out and gutted James Gunn’s original vision for what was supposed to be a PG-13 relatively mature deconstruction. But the basic idea for what it needed to be still stood intact.
when i watch the second one i always say how it must’ve been so amazing to be the set, prop, and costume designers who probably grew up watching scooby doo and they got to design and create the real life versions of so many iconic things
I forgot how good the costumes and practical effects were in monsters unleashed. I’d love to see James Gunn and the og cast come back for one more to conclude the trilogy and maybe their story in this continuity, maybe a bad idea but it’d be so cool Also do you have a pair of banshee wings behind you?
I think it would be so cool to see an older middle-aged gang. Much like in Zombie Island or witches ghost where they all have jobs and have established their own lives. Before coming back to do their final mystery.
Finally, I understand why I was disappointed with the second movie! (I do love the Scrappy villain reveal though, because the idea of making him the bad guy just because he was unlikable was so irreverent that it was hilarious!)
So I’m not sure I agree on switching the order of the movies but I do think they should have switched the true identity of the villians of the movies. Having a former bad guy they captured be the villian of spooky island while making rejected and thrown out scrappy the villian of the second movie where the bad guy is trying to destroy their legacy would make the impact really good.
I agree. The villain's plan in the second one would have made a ton more sense if Scrappy was the one behind it. Of course he'd be bitter about their "legacy" and seek to destroy it if he felt wronged by that legacy. Plus, it ties in with the second film's callbacks to the entire franchise, as he's also another character from their past. Making it a really subtle setup for that twist reveal!
@@santosic I also just feel like it’s so personal. Like I can see a past villain wanting to destroy them. And I guess I can even see them as wanting to destroy their legacy but that just feels like it requires an extra layer of connection. Like you don’t go for the legacy of someone who just put you in jail you need to really feel wronged.
So as of now, my head canon chronology of the Scooby-Doo movies is: 1. Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins 2. Scooby-Doo! Curse of the Lake Monster 3. Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed 4. Scooby-Doo
This has me wondering now if maybe the 4 original direct-to-video Scooby-Doo films (Zombie Island, Witch's Ghost, Alien Invaders, and Cyber Chase) are not in the right order as well.
How is the double mask in a Scooby reveal supposed to work? What is the scenario there? That the police will just never unmask you and you'll go to prison as someone else?
Yeah it dosnt make sense to me either, if you wear a second mask than won't you go to jail anyway? I mean your not framing anyone if you yourself are wearing a mask of them but still get caught, so... I dunno
I'm not sure if this video exists because Scott had some pent-up rage, or because of Nando B Movies' prompt, or because these movies are written by James Gunn whose making The Suicide Squad and he wants that sweet ad money but just forgot to put Gunn's name in the title. Food for thought?
Dude I have to say something. We live in a world where the video game Axiom Verge 2 is a prequel to the first game. Literally the second game with the number 2 in it's name takes place before the first. It could be that the second movie is actually the first.
I think the reason the original order of the movies works is because everyone is so used to the Scooby formula. So u go into the first one expecting the typical Scooby scenario and it ends up being totally different to keep you interested. Then the second movie ur rewarded with all of the easter eggs.
@@NerdSyncProductions unless... You watch the first half of the first movie that should be second first followed by the second half of the second movie that should be first followed by the second half of the first movie that should be second followed by the first half of the second movie that should be first... I don't know why you would though unless you just wanted to mess with people :p
As soon as you said at the beginning "all you need to do is switch them" and my gears started to turn and I agreed 1000% in less than a minute in. You're right and im glad you said it
For whatever reason i have the mental image of you having to record the final bit with switching the movie boxes like 50 times and before having a clean serious take and in the end deciding to go with one of the first takes because it was just funny. And it indeed was funny. I'm listening while at work and it took all my willpower to hold back from busting up
hahaha what actually happened is that we weren’t checking the order of the DVDs on the other takes, and I kept swapping them in the wrong order. So the take I used was the only take that actually worked haha
I didn't even know people hated Scrappy, but this might be the first time I've thought about him in 10 years and the first time I've heard his voice for like 25 lol
Its always been my thought that the demons in spooky island are designed to look like a demonic form of scooby headcannon is that since scrappy is summoning them its using his soul or something to manifest in that form idk maybe thats just me
"Thanks for subscribing, I assume you did that, why wouldn't you?" Because I've been subscribed for years Scott, I'm sorry for disappointing you again 😭
"I've been a ghost this whole time. Have fun unpacking that lore~" The Super Carlin brothers wonder who's been cashing in their checks and immediately begin reading up on labor laws for ghosts.
I watched these both as a kid after they were both out. It sparked my love for Scooby-Doo, but I watched them backwards, watching the second at a friend's home. I couldn't agree with you more.
I had always thought “evil masked figure” was the mastermind from the scooby doo game night of 100 frights, with a grey face and dressed all in black the mastermind also made “real” monsters using science (except he use hard-light holograms however that works) and he was voiced by tim curry
@@NerdSyncProductions I never beat the game either, i got to the final boss’ second phase and got stuck so i returned it to blockbuster, love that boss music tho, still go back and listen to it sometimes
The first film acts as a sequel to the cartoon, the flashbacks included use the classic outfits. Velma also isn't as surprised by "real monsters" in SD2MU because she'd experienced real monsters already in the first film. Also keeping SD2MU as the sequel still expands the world than reversing it. We get to meet all these different villians from the gangs past. Had it been reversed our only "throwback" element would be the Scrappy twist. Putting the first film second also makes Daphne fighting in SD2MU fighting come out of nowhere. (Since in the cartoon she wasn't really like that.) it's a fun theory tho.
I always thought of The Evil Masked Figure as The Mastermind from Scooby-Doo: Night of 100 Frights. I mean think about it. In the game, the dude makes replica holograms of the monsters that the gang has encountered up to that point. What does EMF do in the movie? Maybe not holograms, but pretty much the exact same thing.
Anyone wanna spitball name ideas for Evil Masked Figure?
Prof. Maskio E. Vilfigure.
The Masked Menace? I feel like they must have used that before, though...
Really it has no name? For all these years I and friends called it the phantom
“THE PHILOSOPHANTOM”
Get it?
Philosophy as in a Truth seeker
And their gimmick is to show the ugly TRUTH of “MYYYS-TER-EEE
INNN **COOOR**POR AAATED.”
And it’s a Phantom title
Nah nah.
How bout…
“The Phantom Master”?
Oooohh
Its like a ring leader Title controlling the old monsters and creeps or “phantoms of the solved mysteries”
If you will~
Don’t forget how in the first one Shaggy is the hero who saves the rest of the gang and then in the 2nd one, him and Scooby are like “we do nothing right, I wish we could be real detectives”. Shaggy literally has a character setback
I really hate when sequels are approached as "the same as the first one, BUT EVEN MORE" instead of building off of it. If I wanted to watch the same movie twice, I'd do that (and oh boy, do I ever). But if I'm gonna watch *new* content, it better be new
Isntead of the comfort of the familiar or the novelty of the unfamiliar, you just spend the whole time annoyed it's not quite either.
@@mmmk9966just thinking about it I have ideas on how I would change the first one from doing a live action zombie Island or witches ghost or just rewriting and fixing the first and making a few small changes to the second
When I was a kid, I always thought Monsters Unleashed WAS the first one, and the island one was the sequel. This is mostly because I actually watched that one first, so my memory automatically autocorrected into that order.
Congratulations, Nerd Sync. I'm living your dream.
same, literally just thought "wait this cant be the right order"
Same LMFAO I didn’t even realize
Same lol
Same! I didn't even know Spooky Island was a thing till much later
Same
Another thing to note; SCRAPPY'S arc makes more sense in this order too!
By this order the "First" movie has Mystery Inc as hometown heroes, celebrated, then reviled, then celebrated again... all with no mention of one Scrappy Doo.
Then in the Sequel it turns out Scrappy's gone mad, because he's been forgotten. In a movie with mentions to ALL of the all-stars of Scooby-Doo, not only is Scrappy absent, he's not even brought up.
Boom.
Possible! Or maybe people just hated Scrappy as the villain so much that they "scrapped" him for the next movie. *cue laugh track*
@@AngelBeatsOtaku666 *laugh track*
This is incredibly good!
@@AngelBeatsOtaku666 *Laugh track*
But he’d already been “forgotten” to some degree from the franchise itself, I mean they did an entire run of feature length vhs movies where he was nonexistent. So it makes sense from a metatextual perspective.
god I didn't realize anyone else cared about the second movie as much as me. ive always found it to be one of the best movie adaptations ever and no one believes me until I force them to watch it. i think ive forced 4 people to watch it now, and they all ended up loving it. the humour, set pieces, cgi (for it's time), and the fact that there are so many culprits and moving parts to the mystery, like god is it good
These live actions are everything Disney is trying and failing to do with theirs: it identified what worked about the cartoon series and then thought about how they could use the strengths of live action sets and astronomical film budgets to amplify those elements, whereas with Disney it feels like they're going back to retroactively "fix" their movies. But, if they'd really needed to be fixed, then they wouldnt have become beloved classics with a huge market for a live-action remake.
This is one of the few remakes where they understood they weren't reinventing the wheel, they were putting them on hydraulics.
Ball gags and all?
Okay, so please tell me that you also noticed the Mandela effect too? How the milkshake cup scooby throws on the chafer in the beginning used to be a Burger King cup and now it’s a KFC cup?? Or when they go to old man wickles mansion and shaggy says “why can’t we ever investigate like a haunted KFC or something?” But i know he used to say “why can’t we ever investigate a haunted Burger King or something?” Ive been confused about this for years but since, as you said, hardly anyone cares about this movie its very hard to find people that care enough to talk about it with me or even people who know what im talking about. Someone, PLEASE TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS!! I assume the movie had a partnership with burger king when it came out, i think i even remember Burger King commercials that were about this movie AND i think i remember them having SD2MU toys in their kids meals. I assume they had a partnership and then they lost it and lost the rights to the name so they had to edit out all the BK references and instead changed it to KFC which I assume was way cheaper. And it’s not just my memory either!!! If you listen when shaggy says that line you can hear a change in the audio right when he says “KFC”. Like you can tell that they did some post editing and tell that they looped in something new. This drives me crazy and even if it is as simple as them losing their partnership like I assume id still love to talk about it with someone because it’s been on my mind for over a decade. Please help me.
EDIT!!!!
If you watch this very video, the clip of shaggy getting out of the limo with the cup is the original!!! The cup in his hand in this video says Burger King!!!! But if you go watch it on amazon or anything like that the cup says KFC!!! It feels so good to finally see proof that it used to say Burger King!! It gives me such relief.
@@timothygodwin7575 haha omg yeah I had the Burger King version on dvd lol
@@Robin-ps9wq I’m so glad someone else noticed this detail! It’s been driving me crazy for years. Im actually surprised i caught it, nobody told me about it, i just noticed it on one of my watches and then i kept finding more and more evidence that a switch happened.
Headcanon that Daphne gets picked to be the damsel in distress all the time because if the gang weren’t able to save her they’re all pretty sure that she’d be able to save herself if the situation got dicey
I like this interpretation :)
@@Cheesusfulsame
this is great
Finally someone putting the proper respect on SD2MU
Somebody needs to make more of these as characters.... Who could that be? 😅
I agree
It was the first movie I remember ever seeing when I was like 5 or something
Legendary movie ❤️❤️❤️
LS Mark has found a new friend.
I think the reason why unleashed works better as the first movie is because the original movie assumes you know the basic Scooby universe. So it wanted to "shake up" the cartoons. But unleashed wants to honor the Scooby verse rather than subvert it. Great video as always!!
"Ya gotta subvert expectations"
*vomits uncontrollably*
@@mikaelm5367 Yeah, trying to subvert the formula as part of a formula never works. That's why Zombie Island worked so well, it followed the formula, but changed one key ingredient for a whole new flavour.
The thing is, that’s kind of the exact reason why the first film was the way it was.
The studio wanted a Scooby Doo film that would get adults in go see it in droves. And not just any adults- jaded and cynical 90s young adults! (A release year of 2002 probably puts the start of preproduction somewhere between 1998 and 2000, with the likely delay from 9/11 suggesting it might be on the earlier end.)
It was I’m sure a pervasive belief at the time among the suits, and probably many creatives as well, that adults at that time would simply not buy in to a sincere, unironic, straight-forward Scooby-Doo live action movie. That it’d be taken as a lame joke and immediately flop. Keep in mind, nostalgia culture had yet to explode via the internet into what we understand today. It was a different time.
Of course the ironic thing is, the studio then proceeded to chicken out and gutted James Gunn’s original vision for what was supposed to be a PG-13 relatively mature deconstruction. But the basic idea for what it needed to be still stood intact.
And hey, once that first movie got audiences on board with Scooby and the gang in this new medium (assuming it was enough of a success, which I guess they concluded it was?), they could follow up with another story that went back to their roots! Hence why the second film was the way it was.
I think the issue was that live action remakes weren't as much of a thing back then. My guess is the production was pushed to make it appeal to adults as much as possible while keeping it in the correct rating bracket, cause the mindset was that you needed to sell children's movies to adults since they're the ones who actually buy the tickets.
Then for the second one, they remembered that Scooby Doo has been around for so long, that even the parents grew up watching it. The easiest way to appeal to the adults isn't by defying the cartoon by making it more adult, it's by making the adults feel like kids again by re-delivering familiar elements, but with the production budget to do so in a way that even adults can suspend their disbelief for.
When in doubt, really weird production choices are usually the result of a nervous studio meddling into the artistic process cause they want to hedge their bets. It turns out lower quality but more consistently profitable titles unfortunately
I personally think the biggest missed opportunity isn't any of this, but that they should have called the second one Scooby 2
hold on let me get the daemon ritus again
Can't wait for Scooby 3: Tokyo drift.
2 Scooby 2 Doo
@@kyandenton amazing
The 5th movie should be called "Doo 5"
When I saw Scooby Doo 1, I was actually shocked that Scrappy was the villain, I never knew people hated Scrappy, sadly when the flashback happened, I figured it out.
Yeah, I'd missed the memo that Scrappy was basically the posterchild for despised fictional characters, and was confused why he was evil in the movie.
That makes sense... All through out the "Scooby Doo Museum." Why didn't they mention Scrappy? Scrappy would have been a great second movie villain. Could have driven the narrative that they left him out of their stardom and he would be bitter, instead of "Eeew he peepeed on Daphne, better throw him out of the van in the middle of no where."
“I am not a fan of turning scrappy into a villain just because he’s a little bit obnoxious.“
Me, a fan of scrappy Doo: being obnoxious is the gateway to pride, and pride is the gateway to selfishness, and selfishness is the gateway to evil.
You putting it this way actually makes a lot of sense. Scrappy was desperate for validation, for belonging. He was never given it, so he became a villain instead.
It would be weird if it was flim as that would feel somewhat out of character (despite being a con artist it doesn't seem like he would be evil although I guess there could be a case of scrappy manipulating him Wich would be interesting. It would probably make me want to punch scrappy considering that kid has already been through enough and scrappy doing that would no doute hurt flim a lot. It would still be interesting.)
Scrappy as a bad guy felt great to me. What I wonder what Scrappys final form would've been had he absorbed Scooby-Doo.
@@islandplace7235 agreed.
I thought pride was supposed to be the gateway to all the other sins.
The cast of these movies was off the charts, honestly. I love that Mathew Lillard was so good he still plays Shaggy, despite how poorly the two films were received.
Still has a cult following tho
just saying, imagine if paul walker played fred
Freddy did a good job as fred
Mathew was the best version of Shaggy, that be voiced him in the show after this first movie.
@@Thechaosmaster1997 oh he is the voice of shaggy for the animated portrayals? That’s awesome!
So now I'm convinced that the sequel is actually a prequel to the first film.
The sequel literally has flashbacks while the first one has none (actually, just 1 with Scrappy) Like wtf?
@@geekborne628 I agree
I'm always shocked at how well Monsters Unleashed's CGI holds up, especially compared to the, eh, "first" film.
Remember, this is just two years later and millions less. That's right; Monsters Unleashed had a smaller budget than the original, and presumably some of that was Alicia Silverstone money.
NANI?!?!?!?!
I love how bad the cyclops skeletons’ cgi is, it just builds charm and my fondness to the second film that I can’t explain
I love the idea that both movies had the same budget, but a lot of the second movies budget went to Alicia Silverstone😅
She is so hott
I legit got into a mini argument with my sister a couple weeks ago about the order of the movies. She started watching the movies. When she put on the first one, I told her she was watching the second. After a little back and forth between us, I looked it up and she was right. It just made so much more sense to me to have the order switched for all the reasons you mentioned (especially having the gang split up in a sequel), that my brain switched them then continued on for several years thinking nothing different. Thank you for validating this.
@@AlixLG stop the cap
@@Real_Ivan_ooze ok
@@AlixLG well done
Your Mary Jane bit slayed me
Who let you out of the basement!?
The biggest mystery to me...
Is how the actress that played Mary Jane...was Isla Fisher? She looked nothing back then like she does now...
Hey look it’s that other kind of nerd
ah you're why this was randomly recommended to me.
not that I'm complaining
The little things you miss as a kid lol
Interesting that in the Scrappy flashback, Fred's hair is longer like in the sequel. In your viewing order, it makes a bit more sense. Hes trimmed up and the gang is happy-go-lucky coming off the adventures after Monster's Unleashed. Think this whole conceot is top tier.
The real question: What, if any, would your sequel to this version of the movies be?
If I was to make a sequel to these films in this new order I would adapt the 'Scooby Doo Apocalypse' comics into sequel adventures. If you haven't read them they are a must for any Scoob fan and an easy read.
The third movie is a prequel taking place during their high school years.
It’s probably the weakest of the three but I think it aligns pretty good timeline wise.
Prequel covers the first mystery.
Followed by og show.
Followed by monsters unleashed with the return of those monsters.
And then the first movie which is now the second dealing with their greatest mystery.
@@AnimatedTerror There are only two movies in this franchise.
@@AnimatedTerror Scooby-Doo The Mystery Begins was not a prequel to the original films. It acts as a sort of prequel to the original series but is followed up by sequel itself called Curse of the Lake Monster.
@@AnimatedTerror there are actually 2 cartoon network original films that are prequels to Scooby Doo but aren't related to these movies at all
It was only while editing that I realized I totally rewrote my memory of the first Scooby-Doo movie haha. Obviously I call the first ghost the Lunar Ghost when it's just the Luna Ghost, and I also refer to the film as _Scooby-Doo: The Movie_ when it's just _Scooby-Doo_ haha oh well
Hey Scott, I'm a huge fan of the dedication you put into your work, so please don't take this wrong but...do you know about James Gunn's original version of the first (2002) film? If you do know, then dont read the rest of this: It didn't just have the bit about Velma, but Daphne was her love interest, Shaggy was a stoner (hence the leftover Mary Jane joke), and Fred would've been the dumbest character ever(which remained to an extent). When the film was given an R rating, Gunn was told to scale back the project and make it more kid friendly. The studio eventually got the film to the point where it was no longer the self-parody Gunn had intended it to be. This is why it feels so odd at times, and why most of the deleted scenes feel like they belong in a completely different movie. So when it came time for the sequel, Gunn actually knew what type of film he was going for, thus the overinclusion of fun nods, old characters, and classic tropes. This is why the second one is more like a Scooby-Doo celebration instead of the first one where executives just panicked and forced a Zombie Island clone into existence.
CZcams Movies does refer to it as Scooby Doo: The movie so you're good on that front.
I took it as "Scooby Doo" the movie, as if you were just saying "the movie" for emphasis.
Dude that ain't a problem, what matters is that FINALLY someone talked about this. Why no one talked about this before? Thank you Scott, you are my hero 🤧
Ok.
When I was younger I watched these movies, but I never knew their order. I always thought monsters unleashed came first, and the spooky island with ghosts came second.
Me too!
I can't look at Fred the same way after he said he thinks coolsville sucks
I don’t know how I’ve gone the past 22 years of my life without ever realizing that the masked figure in Scooby Doo 2 didn’t have a name. It’s like when I discovered the main kid from Polar Express didn’t have a name. My whole childhood is ruined!!!
The main kid from Polar Express doesn't have a name?! Holy shmoly!
I thought the kid from Polar Express was called Uncanny Valley (weird name now I think about it, I just assumed his parents were hippies).
No no, the Uncanny Valley was where they filmed Polar Express.
To be fair did anyone have an actual name... did they not just use nick names for one another???
Main character in tenet didnt have a name either. He was The(A) Protagonist.
As a kid, the Coast Guard being evil scene always confused me. But as an adult I get that the Big Bad would make sure the gang couldn't leave after they'd arrived.
It was always super scary to me. The idea that you couldn’t trust ANYONE to help. Very unnerving.
@@NerdSyncProductions tbh I always forget that scene like it was a fever dream then when it happens, I'm like what? I don't remember this. I used to keep playing the movie when I was little on vhs even watching the deleted scenes and music videos
I think that was basically saying they were already possessed by the demon monsters
The space ghost thing was the only monster out of this show that genuinely scared me as a child... like almost as much as the "return the slab" ghost of ramses from courage the cowardly dog
Yeah eventually I plan on doing a video where I try to find the scariest episode of Scooby-Doo and the Space Kook is going to be up there for sure!
Coincidentally, that's my favorite Courage episode because it was at the end of the Scooby Doo and the Alien Invaders VHS tape we had.
@@cooltrainervaultboy-39 so that's where I first saw it! I had that as a kid to, and I distinctly remember watching the Ramses episode before we had tv.
The scariest episode for me when I was little was well the first episode I don’t know why but that one terrified me when I was little
@@NerdSyncProductions the freak of crystal cove/the evil entity is definitely up there
Alright dog, you got me convinced. SD2MU is officially now the first movie in my mind, and whenever I have kids, they will be watching the movies in the correct order.
I personally found the Tar monster to be the scariest... but that's because the scene where he nearly suffocates the gang kind of traumatized me as a kid (luckily it was followed up by one of the coolest Scooby scenes hands down, don't @ me)
👍 that movie made the Tar Monster my favourite Scooby-Doo monster! I loved the design for some reason and the CGI. Whenever the Tar Monster was around there was a real danger, he was the strongest of all the monsters and he was actually going to kill the gang. And then like you say, Scooby had an awesome hero moment, that is my favourite scene!
It's absolutely perfect how me laughing and saying "it's a vegetable steamer" was immediately followed by his line "it's not a vegetable steamer..."
I’m ahead of the comments on this one haha
*Me, a not so healthy individual during that bit* .... what's a vegetable steamer?
Robert Wild
A vegetable steamer allows you to switch bodies with other people.
Idk that Shaggy's all about Mary Jane because he's a stoner, maybe he just really identifies with Spider-Man and it's super unhealthy. Or he likes Tom Petty.
I wonder if Peter Parker identifies with Shaggy the most out of the Mistery Inc. gang...
By the time you get to the airplane there has already been a lot of stoner innuendo.
Case in point the smoke coming out of the van.
I remember going to it in theaters in college. Buddies and I were only ones that were not moms with little kids. And we could feel every moms eyes on us when we laughed at the stoner jokes or at scrappy saying Fred didn't have the scroat to be leader
@@Teraphas it was a joke
@@ATroknya I was mostly musing that he chose the Mary Jane part as his proof. It's been a while since seeing the movie but there are only a couple more stoner jokes after that point. Before it, a lot. Lol
Tom Petty was also talking about weed
The first movie was the way it was because of Zombie Island's success. I imagine studio execs said do that again but in live action, people liked it when the monsters were real and they were trapped on an island. Plus throw in a character out of the blue that fans will know for that nostalgia pandering. Oh and the gang disbanding and getting back together again with Daphne getting more agency.
I like that one better than the first one movie. The live action one was stupid will the zombie island make sense because each of them went separate lives and when reunited it feels like old times, not when Fred, daphne and Velma are bickering like whiney bitches.
Yeah, Zombie Island does the real monster plot twist better cause they put a plot twist about which monsters were the real danger
I think you're right on the money there - I think it also makes sense why, from a production standpoint, they happened in the order they did. First, "oh yeah, Zombie Island did great, let's get us a slice of that success", only to find it DIDN'T do well with mainstream cinema audiences, leading them to try again with a more "classic" take on Scooby.
preproduction of this film began in 1994. Zombie Island was released in 1998
The studio wanted a Scooby Doo film that would get adults in go see it in droves. And not just any adults- jaded and cynical 90s young adults! (This is even more accurate than I thought if the previous commenter is right.)
It was I’m sure a pervasive belief at the time among the suits, and probably many creatives as well, that adults at that time would simply not buy in to a sincere, unironic, straight-forward Scooby-Doo live action movie. That it’d be taken as a lame joke and immediately flop. Keep in mind, nostalgia culture had yet to explode via the internet into what we understand today. It was a different time.
Of course the ironic thing is, the studio then proceeded to chicken out and gutted James Gunn’s original vision for what was supposed to be a PG-13 relatively mature deconstruction. But the basic idea for what it needed to be still stood intact.
And hey, once that first movie got audiences on board with Scooby and the gang in this new medium (assuming it was enough of a success, which I guess they concluded it was?), they could follow up with another story that went back to their roots! Hence why the second film was the way it was.
Oh my gosh. THANK YOU!! I was SO confused when the movies came up in conversation in my family and I insisted on the "wrong order".
Glad to know I'm not the only one who believes the movies make more sense in reverse!! Thank you for making this video!
Can we talk about how the first movie was supposed to be an adult-focused film that got watered down? And how troublesome where the making of both films?
On the other hand: From now on, 2 is 1 and 1 is 2. End of story. Also this remembered me the "the ice age films are backwards" theory.
My video barely fits the prompt, so please check out the entire One Villainous Scene playlist with all these other great folks who did better than me!
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Don’t put yourself down like that, you did a fantastic job with this video. You always do great work and I always look forward to a new video!
When you read my comments with your head voice, please use a deeper voice with mine...someplace between James earl Jones and Patrick Stewart (but I speak faster than they do)...please.
Honestly, yours was the one I was looking forward to the most. Your Scooby Doo deep dive is one of my favorite videos of yours. It would have been too easy to just pick an MCU villain, Disney animated film, or etc. Great work!
Yeaaaahhh.. Dude, I'm 3/4 of the way through this playlist. You're far more on topic than a lot of them.
Fun fact the reason Nerdsync is a ghost is because he got mixed up in a new final destination film
I appreciate the shift in videos from comics to pop culture in general.
Same!
Thanks, Jake! I appreciate the kind words of support as I shift things around! Means a lot!
If Velma dated Seth Green in the first movie and then be revealed to be gay in the second, that would be extra funny as that is the second time that’s happened to one of his characters. Guy needs to avoid Sarah Michelle Geller’s friends.
*Captain America voice* I understood that reference
Love the reference!!!😉
The more I think about it the more this makes more and more sense. One of my biggest peeves in the second movie was how Flanderized Mystery Incorporated was. Scooby and Shaggy were the worst off, pretty much delegated as useless idiot mascots where the "first" movie had them competent, savy, and able to save the day.
Then there's the fact that they are legitimately made to look younger in the second movie. It might be a stretch but everyone's outfits were kept the same or at least not too deviated compared to the first, and the fact that Fred's hairstyle deliberately makes him look ten years younger.
That is why I like the first one better
Finally did my rewatch of the two films in this order and had an amazing time revisiting them. I wholeheartedly agree that there's no better way to watch them and Monsters Unleashed was such a blast! Thank you for inspiring me to check them out again after all these years. Happy Scoobtober! :)
This video's premise is absolutely banas.
An Outstanding Comment.
And I love it for it
And its 26 minutes long 🤣🤣🤣
@@samuelmurrill7438 Yeah it is Quite Short.
Best comment. Thank you.
Scrappy being a villain strangely didn’t work for me either. If it was on a more Meta level or if it was done in the Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated (2010) series it would have worked.
After Scrappy got kicked out, he should have started his own detective agency only he was not doing as successfully as the gang. Years later he could have met the Mystery crew again at the airport gates or somewhere on spooky island and resenting the gang and not wanting them in his business. He could have been another red herring for another villain of the film only to reveal he was trying to figure out the Daemon Ritus cult on his own.
Near the end he could have teamed up with his uncle to defeat the real villain. At the end he’d part ways with the gang again but on more friendly terms with the gang wishing him luck where ever he goes.
I can’t lie I absolutely hate the idea of scrappy being a detective. Just wouldn’t work in any world lmfao he’s too pushy
@@ggbooliano Just because he's a detective doesn't mean he has to be a good one. It would make a good compare and contrast to the gang who are decent mystery solvers who have spilt apart and now have their place filled with people like scrappy trying to imitate them. You could even give him his own team who are parodies of the gang and all incompetent at solving mysteries in different ways.
The Scrappy reveal seems so out of place because it was designed for a much more out-there, metatextual, deconstructionist story, which the Scooby-Doo movie was originally going to be, before the studio chickened out and gutted James Gunn’s plans.
Ooh, this is a much better plot.
@@ggbooliano Who says that detectives can't be pushy? And I'm pretty sure Scrappy has done detective work before, so that "wouldn't work in any world" part doesn't work.
Growing up, I always thought the evil masked figure was named "scoop of the night" in that scene where they pulled the misdirection with Ned.
Never seen a video from you. This video was great, fun, and entertaining all the way through. I think you hit on nostalgia really well. Keep it up, and I hope to watch more.
Thanks a ton!
I... I can't believe that all these years there has been someone out there in the world that shared this same problem with the live action scoob movies with the same passion than me
You are my hero right now, no joking man 😂🤧
There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
I always thought they were in reverse order as a kid
To the point about the subtitles being reversed:
Ya know what goes on a leash to get unleashed? Dogs. Or... puppies. Scrappy Doo would have been the perfect villain specifically for a movie called Monsters Unleashed! Major missed opportunity for a play on words.
hold on this is incredibly good!!!
That… is actually _genius._
Wait Scrappy Doo is a dog
We've got Scott, clone Scott, time travel Scott, and ghost Scott. At this point so many different Scotts have been . . . . . unleashed!? Guys I think Scott is the villain of Monsters Unleashed, they just forgot to take the third mask off. I'm gonna blow this conspiracy wide open!
Wasn't there also a Skrull Scott?
So...is this going to go down the Rick & Morty route...or the Spider-Verse route...or the Loki show route...?
@@christopherb501 With Scott... I believe the answer is yes.
… they’re on to me…
Cartoon Network, at least here in my region, did think the same way NerdSync does as they used to broadcast both movies back to back but Monsters Unleashed ALWAYS went first and “Scooby Doo" second.
I'm guessing that's why so many people, myself included, thought that actually was the order of the films. It's like a weird Mandela effect thing.
I guess I had always just assumed Monsters Unleashed was the original script the studio wasn't ready to cough up the budget for. 🤷🏾♂️
I wonder if there's a timeline, where The Scooby films did come out in this order. Bet It would have at least been a trilogy, then... 🤔💯🖖🏾
Thanks Scott, now I finally know why I can never remember if Scooby-Doo 2 is the Mister Bean Island bit or the awkwardly expressive Darth Vader bit !
Now you know that the second movie is for sure the Mister Bean Island bit!
I've watched both movies so many times...like too many times. And everytime I rewatch them I watch the "sequel" first and then the first movie. I thought I was alone
I binged Mistery Incorporated this past week and while taking to my friends about it I couldn't stop screaming "MISTEERYY INCOORPORATEDD" every time.
Iconic line delivery!
“Let me take you back to the summer of 2002.”
*I gracefully emerge from within my mother’s womb*
@@giancarlopenalba2616 I cease to exist
I very ungracefully get evicted from my mothers womb
The only reason your theory falls apart is Daphne's characterization as a martial artist. It would've made her role in MU very strange. The first film, despite deleting the very important scene explaining it, provides some nice progression for her character. From damsel in distress, to a badass.
a fellow orbit - amazing music taste you have my friend
Literally all that has to happen is a throwaway line from Daphne, just like in the first movie, that she's sick of being a damsel in distress.
The beginning of the first movie where she gets captured by the luna ghost can simply be reframed as frustration. She can say something like "I'm a black belt and they STILL keep getting the jump on me!" and feel some faltering confidence.
When in reality, being dangled in the air like she was isn't really something you can martial arts your way out of and besides training against dummies and peers isn't the same as actual street fighting where your opponent won't play by the rules and has true malicious intent. In all likelihood regardless of her training, she would freeze up (and feel awful about it) in the face of real life-threatening danger.
Her characterization can then shift to an "I've got this. I can do it this time" narrative. If you're telling someone to just watch the movies in the wrong order and view the canon that way, you're right, her role in the luna ghost argument may serve as a plot hole.
But if we're coming at this from a "why were these movies written in this order? production should've swapped them" angle, it's very easy to rework. At absolute laziest it takes a single scene reshoot and everything is fine.
@@baydiac didn't Daphne say I'm a black belt now to Fred and velma in the airport? Why would she say that if she already was in fighting the knight in the "Sequel"? If Velma and Fred knew Daphne could fight in the first movie why did the chuckle?
Funny thing: I really only ever got to see these movies on tv, and I pretty much from the start assumed that the original was a sequel. It makes a hell of a lot of sense even to a little kid who hadn't watched a ton of the original shows. It was actually only a few months ago that I pearned that Monsters Unleashed was the real sequel.
Thanks for the wonderful video and giving me justification for believing in the better viewing order! :)
I just stumbled onto this channel and never in my life have I seen someone with a deep appreciation for Scooby-Doo on the same level that I do. From the passionate way you speak about the series and it's lore down to us sharing the same favorite classic Scooby villain it's very moving. Instant sub
The first film is not the start of a franchise nor does it exist in a vacuum. Every 90's film was about jaded characters, let alone a bunch of live action versions of cartoons, reboots and meta commentary horrors. Sarah Michelle Gellar as Daphne is evidence, and a great joke. Not only did she play a reverse Daphne, but Buffy's crew were officially referred to as The Scooby gang. The first film is an answer to every criticism the audiences had at the time. Having proven themselves, the second film gets to be a love letter to the franchise. If that movie came out first there would be no reason for a second film. Probably instead there'd be a parody with more inconsistent humor, that could never be as direct about the franchise.
You are absolutely right!
The studio wanted a Scooby Doo film that would get adults in go see it in droves. Jaded and cynical 90s young adults, specifically.
It was I’m sure a pervasive belief at the time among the suits, and probably many creatives as well, that adults at that time would simply not buy in to a sincere, unironic, straight-forward Scooby-Doo live action movie. That it’d be taken as a lame joke and immediately flop. Keep in mind, nostalgia culture had yet to explode via the internet into what we understand today. It was a different time.
Of course the ironic thing is, the studio then proceeded to chicken out and gutted James Gunn’s original vision for what was supposed to be a PG-13 relatively mature deconstruction. But the basic idea for what it needed to be still stood intact.
when i watch the second one i always say how it must’ve been so amazing to be the set, prop, and costume designers who probably grew up watching scooby doo and they got to design and create the real life versions of so many iconic things
The volt ghost and tar monster terrified me when I watched that movie as a kid. I felt a pit in my stomach seeing them again.
I love the laughing towards the end. Character breaking always gets me. Also that Mary Jane bit was great lol
Haha, thanks Jeremiah!
I forgot how good the costumes and practical effects were in monsters unleashed. I’d love to see James Gunn and the og cast come back for one more to conclude the trilogy and maybe their story in this continuity, maybe a bad idea but it’d be so cool
Also do you have a pair of banshee wings behind you?
It's a fantastic idea. This is James Gunn we're talking about.
I think it would be so cool to see an older middle-aged gang. Much like in Zombie Island or witches ghost where they all have jobs and have established their own lives. Before coming back to do their final mystery.
I would love that idea!! And maybe Velma could finally be gay in the third one!
@@NerdyMariaMania why does she need to be gay?
@@NerdyMariaMania nah bring back my man seth green
Scott: Throws shade at "Disney Adults". Me (knowing who Scott also works for): *nervous laughter*
Finally, I understand why I was disappointed with the second movie!
(I do love the Scrappy villain reveal though, because the idea of making him the bad guy just because he was unlikable was so irreverent that it was hilarious!)
I do love these two movies. They're really nostalgic. Monsters Unleashed is my favourite of the two.
Also "MYSTERY INCORPORATED!!"
"I've got the daemon ritus!"
"Oh no, I hope you'll feel better soon!"
Daemonbetus
you can really tell that Scott once watched monsters unleashed thirty times in a row
Don't we all?
So I’m not sure I agree on switching the order of the movies but I do think they should have switched the true identity of the villians of the movies. Having a former bad guy they captured be the villian of spooky island while making rejected and thrown out scrappy the villian of the second movie where the bad guy is trying to destroy their legacy would make the impact really good.
That would be perfect.
I agree. The villain's plan in the second one would have made a ton more sense if Scrappy was the one behind it. Of course he'd be bitter about their "legacy" and seek to destroy it if he felt wronged by that legacy.
Plus, it ties in with the second film's callbacks to the entire franchise, as he's also another character from their past. Making it a really subtle setup for that twist reveal!
@@santosic I also just feel like it’s so personal. Like I can see a past villain wanting to destroy them. And I guess I can even see them as wanting to destroy their legacy but that just feels like it requires an extra layer of connection. Like you don’t go for the legacy of someone who just put you in jail you need to really feel wronged.
So as of now, my head canon chronology of the Scooby-Doo movies is:
1. Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins
2. Scooby-Doo! Curse of the Lake Monster
3. Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed
4. Scooby-Doo
This has me wondering now if maybe the 4 original direct-to-video Scooby-Doo films (Zombie Island, Witch's Ghost, Alien Invaders, and Cyber Chase) are not in the right order as well.
You know who never gets brought up? Scooby-Dum.
I was literally just talking about him yesterday to my partner’s parents haha
Clue? Dum-dum-dum-dum!
Scooby dee is underrated too.
@@murlocholmes4684 what I am hearing is Matt needs to make a video on the extended family tree of Scooby-Doo.
@@ThePongzilla Scooby Doo: the conclusive genealogy (possibly also an anthology exploring it)
How is the double mask in a Scooby reveal supposed to work? What is the scenario there? That the police will just never unmask you and you'll go to prison as someone else?
Yeah it dosnt make sense to me either, if you wear a second mask than won't you go to jail anyway? I mean your not framing anyone if you yourself are wearing a mask of them but still get caught, so... I dunno
Scrappy gets a name for his second form but Evil Masked Figure doesn't get their own name!?
The Tar Ghost is easily the most terrifying. Watching Mystery Inc. nearly get strangled by it in this movie terrified me when I was younger.
Imma be honest; I thought this was the order of the movies. I haven't watched them in a while and I play them in this order in my head! Spooky!
The part about Mary Jane coming between shaggy and Scooby after they realized they have each other made me yell what a PERFECT idea
These movies are unironically hilarious, and you cannot convince me otherwise.
They are masterpieces!
I'm not sure if this video exists because Scott had some pent-up rage, or because of Nando B Movies' prompt, or because these movies are written by James Gunn whose making The Suicide Squad and he wants that sweet ad money but just forgot to put Gunn's name in the title. Food for thought?
I feel like it's just Scott being like this. James Gunn is always relevant. Now, you want some real confused Gunn clicks, look into Tromeo and Juliet.
Yeah, tbh, I just wanted to get this off my chest and everything else is coincidental haha
Dude I have to say something.
We live in a world where the video game Axiom Verge 2 is a prequel to the first game. Literally the second game with the number 2 in it's name takes place before the first. It could be that the second movie is actually the first.
I think the reason the original order of the movies works is because everyone is so used to the Scooby formula. So u go into the first one expecting the typical Scooby scenario and it ends up being totally different to keep you interested. Then the second movie ur rewarded with all of the easter eggs.
we finally have a worthy rival to the "star wars watch order" debate. thank you scott for jumpstarting my oldest hyperfixation for the third time
It’s easy because there’s only 2 ways to watch a franchise with two movies haha
@@NerdSyncProductions unless... You watch the first half of the first movie that should be second first followed by the second half of the second movie that should be first followed by the second half of the first movie that should be second followed by the first half of the second movie that should be first... I don't know why you would though unless you just wanted to mess with people :p
As soon as you said at the beginning "all you need to do is switch them" and my gears started to turn and I agreed 1000% in less than a minute in. You're right and im glad you said it
For whatever reason i have the mental image of you having to record the final bit with switching the movie boxes like 50 times and before having a clean serious take and in the end deciding to go with one of the first takes because it was just funny. And it indeed was funny. I'm listening while at work and it took all my willpower to hold back from busting up
hahaha what actually happened is that we weren’t checking the order of the DVDs on the other takes, and I kept swapping them in the wrong order. So the take I used was the only take that actually worked haha
*looms at box labeled "daemon ritus"*
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".....You dont suppose?"
So can we all agree Scooby Doo 2 is a prequel.
yeah that's how we explain it!
The fact that it make so much sense both impressed and unnerved me. Its canon now to me that 2 is a prequel instead lol
I've never watched the live action versions of Scooby Doo and now I will watch them in the order they were supposed to be made in.
that’s all I ask, thank you!
The chills I got when Scott and I exclaimed "the Daemon Ritus" in unison! XD Amazing video! I love it!
Haha thanks Wolfee!
I didn't even know people hated Scrappy, but this might be the first time I've thought about him in 10 years and the first time I've heard his voice for like 25 lol
Weirdly enough, my family got the Scooby-Doo 2 CD first, so I watched it in your preferred order.
Its always been my thought that the demons in spooky island are designed to look like a demonic form of scooby headcannon is that since scrappy is summoning them its using his soul or something to manifest in that form idk maybe thats just me
19:24 I could've sworn that bit was going to end with a misdirect by saying Shaggy just likes Spider-Man
Shaggy is a big fan of Spider-Man because he can't get enough of that sticky-icky-icky
, ooh wee!
Aww man, wild that Scott's a ghost. Gotta say, I never saw that one coming. But that's life; it can always surprise you.
That's the spirit.
"Thanks for subscribing, I assume you did that, why wouldn't you?"
Because I've been subscribed for years Scott, I'm sorry for disappointing you again 😭
You’re doing great and I appreciate you!
Scrappy is now the greatest hero after his service
Scrappy was awesome! Scooby being a coward and an uncle frantically trying to save his nephew was my favorite dynamic
"I've been a ghost this whole time. Have fun unpacking that lore~"
The Super Carlin brothers wonder who's been cashing in their checks and immediately begin reading up on labor laws for ghosts.
I like to keep things interesting around here
I watched these both as a kid after they were both out. It sparked my love for Scooby-Doo, but I watched them backwards, watching the second at a friend's home. I couldn't agree with you more.
Heather Jasper-Howe would be absolutely an OAN reporter if she wasn’t in prison
Bravo Good Sir!! Happen to stumble upon this video in my recommended, and I am so happy I did!!! Keep up the good work, you’ve got a new fan!!!
I vaguely remember the beginning having a cartoon version of them before they got to where the Luna ghost was at.
I had always thought “evil masked figure” was the mastermind from the scooby doo game night of 100 frights, with a grey face and dressed all in black the mastermind also made “real” monsters using science (except he use hard-light holograms however that works) and he was voiced by tim curry
I still gotta beat that game haha
@@NerdSyncProductions
I never beat the game either, i got to the final boss’ second phase and got stuck so i returned it to blockbuster, love that boss music tho, still go back and listen to it sometimes
These are a couple movies I can’t be objective on. The nostalgia is real.
above all, they are just fun films!
The first film acts as a sequel to the cartoon, the flashbacks included use the classic outfits. Velma also isn't as surprised by "real monsters" in SD2MU because she'd experienced real monsters already in the first film.
Also keeping SD2MU as the sequel still expands the world than reversing it. We get to meet all these different villians from the gangs past. Had it been reversed our only "throwback" element would be the Scrappy twist.
Putting the first film second also makes Daphne fighting in SD2MU fighting come out of nowhere. (Since in the cartoon she wasn't really like that.) it's a fun theory tho.
its not a theory. he is trying to show why it would make better sense for SD2MU to be first. also he addressed the Daphne thing.
@@AbdullahKhan-el6xw the daphne thing still works as a subverting expectations plot in either order
Ngl as a kid I was always confused by which movie to watch first, I legitimately thought monsters unleashed came first and the movies were named wrong
I always thought of The Evil Masked Figure as The Mastermind from Scooby-Doo: Night of 100 Frights. I mean think about it. In the game, the dude makes replica holograms of the monsters that the gang has encountered up to that point. What does EMF do in the movie? Maybe not holograms, but pretty much the exact same thing.