REASON NUMBER 1 MILLION ON WHY YOU SHOULDN’T BUY A JCB 🤬😤😡
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2023
- We don't have a whole lot of hours on our JCB Skidsteer, and we just recently hooked up the IronCraft Dozer Blade which comes with an electrical connection alongside the hydraulic connection. So there are two hydraulic functions, and the electric controls should divert flow from one function to the other. But how the heck do we tell this skidsteer to do that! The user manual left us hanging, so let's see if we can figure this out.
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Thank you for sharing you and your brothers “ups and downs”. Because you show everyone the difficult process of figuring something like this out, you save several hundred, maybe even thousands of viewers the time and effort and trouble with what needs to be done to make it operate properly. Love the channel Courtney, thank you for sharing!
All skid steers with only one hydraulic circuit have some kind of switch to activate the electrical plug. That activates the solenoid on the attachment to go between functions. Any small wheel loader I’ve used has that same method of unlocking/locking the bucket on. They don’t have a dedicated hydraulic circuit for the pins holding the attachment on so they are also using a solenoid/diverter valve to use the third function hydraulics to do that. Similarly to the 14 pin connector. It’s meant to default closed so the operator doesn’t accidentally leave it unlocked and have the attachment fall off.
Someone finally said it!!!!
I appreciate the truth being told. I have enough frustration each day that I know I dont need a JCB in my life, though an extendable skid steer? I LOVE the idea of having one!
Whew I’m glad you could figure it out! Enjoy the channel!
It looks like there’s a diverter valve on the attachment and you’re using the 3rd function to control both the electrical is just to switch between functions
The side door is a huge benefit for some users and the larger you are and the older you are the more it is really meaningful. They offer two sizes of your wheel loader with the single extendable boom arm and for forklift/stacking work it can do on a small scale what a telehandler does. The single boom also gives you a wonderful perspective on the bucket when you are back dragging rock or dirt. Having said all that i agree with you that the owners manuals suck. Maybe they do not have all of the attachments we have here. Also , Land rovers and Jaguars are notorious for bad electrics overall and weird ergonomics for switch locations. Keep running it, I hope it grows on you
@@Dirt_mountain-earthworksthe teleskid and the 333g are enough different that I don't think you can say one is objectively "better" than the other. For grading and heavy work the 333g will absolutely outperform the jcb but for reaching in tight spaces the jcb is a better fit.
I've never bought a piece of equipment or a car without the salesman going over everything with me. Did your dealer not show you how to operate the machine when you picked it up or when they delivered it to you? because if not, I'd find a different dealer. For the record, my Case SV250 is the same way to operate my HLA Snowplow. Auxiliary hydraulic switch angles plow right or left and then you push an auxiliary electric button while using the auxiliary hydraulic switch to rotate the wing forward or back. One electric switch for the right wing and another electric switch for the left wing. Basically, it's the same hydraulic circuit for everything, the electric switch just triggers a diverter valve to send the fluid to different functions. Very simple operation.
I have noticed most places could care less it seems most of the time whenever you get a tractor motorcycle etc the salesman has no clue what they are doing or anything about the machine.
Skidsteers are a whole new beast from tractors and was a big learning curve when we started to transition. Just like your calling your aux 1 and aux 2 a third function. FYI, all skiddies are the same just different button locations. Your aid one on left joystick is your main. Then your buttons control your 12v output to the diverted valve on the attachment. Some attachments have 1 diverter like a Harley rake, some have 2 like a Harley rake with tilt and angle, and when your getting into graders or forestry heads some have 3 and 4. They really do skip some important things on the electrical side with a lot of these manuals.
there is 7 aux function well written on the sticker in the window that I can read at 3:00. :| 1 is by default. all other need to button pushed and them the regular 3rd function used.
We do the same thing for the old school skid steers when adding extra function via electrical. The auxiliary on the floor foot pedal etc. You have to operate the 3rd function and then operate the electrical switch.
Thanks for sharing the complicated issues you were having. The two of you figured it out and then shared with the rest of us. I sometimes wonder if the individuals writing the instruction manual ever use the equipment following their instructions.
Again thanks for sharing this and every video you make helps some one of us out. The information you provide is helpful in decisions to make on the equipment needed or wanted and the use of that piece of equipment.
Sometimes these manufacturers outsmart their own selves
Just remember the jcb teleskid is designed and built in North America..
I worked at an equipment rental company several years ago. We referred to JCB as Junk Coming from Britian. You'll find the absolutely dumbest and worst ideas known to man in their equipment. Personally, I'd stay away from anything JCB, but that's just my opinion. BTW, I love your channel. Keep up the good work.
Totally 100% agreed!!
Which ones did you like?
Got that right owned 2023 jcb 270t for less than 2 months. Complete junk. Tracks fall off constantly. Hydraulic leaks, hydraulics weak, cab is rattle box. Drinks fuel , electrical problems. Water in fuse box . Glad I kept my bobcat equipment.
I knew it stood for something. Thanks
Other than Elizabeth Hurley, has Britain made anything worth a damn?
Nothing wrong with a jcb this machine is in 2 other american channels that i watch and they love them and use them hard
This will be off topic, but I find it hard to believe a 6 way dozer blade is a good implement for a one arm machine like that. The amount of force exerted from one side of the blade in a cut I would think would be enough to fatigue and crack that boom arm very quickly over time
JCB sells one for this machine. Why would they do so if a bad idea?
@@GoodWorksTractors quite possible they have a design that works fine. Again, I only stated it’s hard to believe there isn’t excessive force on that boom arm is all.
Love having these brother videos, always great to see Chris, even if it is for something so annoying as the JCB. Maybe JCB needs to stop having sponsored resorts and golf courses and spend more money on creating good education (manuals and videos). 😠
Keep a small 3x5 notebook in the machine and make notes when you figure this stuff out. No need to waste 5 or 10 minutes next time trying to remember.
Google Keep 👍
You can actually put it on your computer/phone if you don’t have note Cards with you
@@paulprigge1209 The flaw with this is that only is useful to the person with the phone, which may or may not be the equipment operator.
@@JCWren Thank you
@@JCWren Google keep you can share the note with anyone
This seems like more of an issue with the attachment than the skid steer. They are using a diverter valve to use the angle feature. Granted it wasn't that intuitive, but I think blame is in the wrong place.
Diverter switches should be toggles, not momentary. I think the actual issue here was not only was the sequence to operate a vital function not in the manual, you also have nobody at the company to call to figure it out. Dealers are usually the people to call to figure this out but you should still have the option to talk to the manufacturer.
JD has the same poorly written manuals. Vital information is just not there and it will say refer to owners manual in both the implements and tractor. It’s a shame people cannot get a questionnaire out to owners on what’s actually missing. I imagine the list would be yet another manual “Things we forgot to mention” manual😂
My neighbor loads bulk potatoes in a barn near my home (used to be mine). A few years ago he rented a JCB to use to clear away dirt and cull potatoes. He can afford anything he wants. The next year he had a John Deere skid steer.
We have a new bobcat mini loader and to run extra functions we have to put the hydrolics in float
They also make what I think is the finest general purpose backhoe in the world. Drive one that has all 4 tires the same size instead of little chickenshit front tires. You cannot turn it as sharp, but go load a dump truck with the front bucket or road it at 25 MPH to another job. It is really unique and a wonderful design. Of course many people think Kenworths rule the world and Peterbuilts are second class. They are all wrong
We actually used a big older jcb backhoe and it was absolutely awesome
I worked for a water utility company for quite a long time. Originally, they took whoever made the lowest bid for a piece of equipment. Year after year, we got JCB's Our equipment operators eventually convinced them to spend a little more money on the equipment? Our downtime was reduced and our work went much faster and our equipment lasted much longer.
Damn! That could’ve went so much more smoother if they would’ve just put that little tid bit in the manual.
it’s a diverter valve. On tractor third functions that use a diverter. You have a momentary button that you have to hold or a switch to engage the valve and then you use the normal lever to now operate the 3rd function.
I think what’s going on here is you’re thinking of the Auxiliary hydraulics on a skid steer as a simple third function. Whereas they’re more like a separate power system. With its own control system and power supply.
A 3rd function is simply a branch of an existing and used circuit. While auxiliary hydraulics are their own stand alone system.
It’s totally stupid that they didn’t have a breakdown of electric/electronic controls in the manual. I really don’t understand why they wouldn’t have a breakdown of those controls. That’s just stupid…
They do that so you have to bring it to a dealer
@@Press1for I work at a dealer and that’s just ignorant. We do not have the time to show you how to use the buttons on your machine every time you use a different attachment or implement. Plus, that is not something most dealers would ever charge you for… Especially if you bought it from them.
I really like the concept of the telescopic arm. However, I just wish someone other than JCB made the teleskid. I didn't care for how jumpy the controls were and also I don't like anything manufactured in Britain. My bobcat works so much better with attachments like that. I just thought that the teleskid might be a nice replacement for my case 621b wheel loader. I kept my loader.
Did you try plugging it out and in again
I know with bobcat u have to use a different harness for aftermarket attachments
It’s a diverted valve so must have flow to borrow from. My cat and takahuchi do the same. that loader uses a different set up like most. It does get aggravating no doubt.
Okay, so this is just a normal hydraulic circuit selector.. it's used to technically double your auxillary, or add auxillary to an existing function. it needs an activation button, for you to then use the (here, auxillary) paddle/button.. that's infact a thing with the plow/blade, not the jcb. sure, the controls could have been listed in the manual, but then again with some simple hydraulic knowledge, this gets very obvious. same goes for the bucket lock for that matter.
On the loader you just have to just flip switch up once you don't have to hold it
No you don't
Hello to all on this Chanel. I owe 3 pc.s of JCB equipment. 407 pay loader ( same as on this video) 48Z excavator and 35Z excavator.
I do like them a lot. Good and pretty dependable equipment. How ever, I attempted to share my own experience with JCB, and CZcams blocked me. Gee, thanks. Can't even say truth anymore.....
That blade is cool!
JCB needed to do some homework sounds like
Always watch all of your videos...
That makes logical sense to me. But an extra switch on the handle would be better
For some of us would never have figured it out
The dozer blade will where out the boom arm very quickly you need a bottom mount if you want to see one in action you should go watch dirt perfect he has a 550 made by case
It's should run through the extra button on joystick and move the joysticks. jcb are a nice machine when they want to work
Had JD and Cat skidsteers in the past and now two 2023 JCB's with one being the Teleskid, would not go back to a normal skidsteer ever again! The design and functions of the JCB outweighs any issues it may have. I had issues with the others as well so I can't say one is better than the other, other than features which JCB wins hands down.
We run Jcb"s and they are awesome machines. Maybe the fault was with you or the people who made the blade. Either way no reason to slag Jcb off.
I have an idea why your 2 JCB units are different.
There are 22 factories world wide that make their products, my guess is they are engineered where they are manufactured and HQ hasn't made same function work the same mandate across all lines because it would take too much $$ to re-engineer and tool.
It would be a great thing for them to do on a unit refresh cycle.
Reading the comments makes me believe that their equipment is inferior. I’m assuming that loader was sold at a good price.
That’s how all those work. The right button is the decider. The left button is the direction.
Different on my 333g
@@GoodWorksTractors you should see the setup on the gehl we have. Had to have a whole separate switch installed and that really sucks. Our cat has all separate actually so I guess Deere and cat at least know what they’re doing.
CAT, Case, Komatsu, Takeuchi. Avoid John Deere, Bobcat and JCB like the plague.
Try using the joystick side to side
so im confused, reason 1 million why NOT to buy JCB? I didn't hear any reason given in the video.
Do you or Dont you recommend the machine?
Simpleton is probably a harsh term, common sense is not so common anymore. The way they force you to manipulate that is weird and for a manual to NOT have it explained is poor business.
Learning a new piece of equipment regardless of the brand is a challenge, as you say at 10:43, “it works fine you just have to know how to use it” I see it all the time on our farm. I’m disappointed in the title of the video, rather misleading. I’d buy another JCB in a minute.
It's not in the manual, their salesman didn't know how to use it, and their tech support never called me. You can be choose to be disappointed in the title all you want, but was pure trial and error without any kind of support from JCB that resolved this situation. With that, I'm disappointed in you.
Just a jump on tue JCB wagon we demoed several units and hated them. New users have trouble learning machine to machine because there all different in the controls. There way over priced for what your getting and I’ve never met one single person in tue construction/contracting world own one for their fleet. Not one. They all say the same thing. Junk. That goes a long way when making a purchase. Only ppl I see with them is on CZcams and mostly farmers. In that world it makes sense. Moving bales and the tele allows a farmer to own possibly less equipment when handling lighter materials such as hay.
So what's the verdict? The title say 1 million reasons why to not buy JBC? But you keep coming back to them and still have 1 or 2 of them.
I sold this machine and the other machine is out on long term rental
I think there are a few different things going on in the “jcb saga” here
First of all, your jcb salesman did you a disservice from the beginning, especially in not explaining to you each and every function of the machine. This is the reason you buy from your local jcb dealer, for the support.
Secondly, I think it’s a stretch to blame the machine for the struggles you guys were having in this video. The aux and electrical connections on this machine work the same way as any other machine that you’d put that blade on. Your friend even came so close to admitting that the Deere functioned in a similar way(at 12:41).
Third, the wheel loader has the quick hitch interlock for the simple function keeping an operator from dropping the bucket off on accident.
So again, a good dealer/salesman should be a phone call away to correct issues and questions such as this. But I don’t think it’s quite fair to blame the equipment for an operators lack of knowledge.
construction equipment is very different from compact tractors, and every machine on the market has different ways of doing the same thing.
Yeah, I have two teleskids, and the JCB 14-pin is braindead. It puts out like 8 volts to see "what's out there" and only outputs 12 volts if it sees a load. No other manufacturer does this. It's literally braindead and only works for 12V on-off solenoids. Modern proportional solenoids don't work with it. You need to inline some resistors in the harness to fool it into seeing a load.
That being said, I love my teleskids and wouldn't trade them for anything except a 100hp teleskid. The benefits dwarf the warts IMHO.
The dealer I work at has been selling JCB for roughly the same amount of time I've been there, specially the Ag 400 wheel loaders (mainly 403 and the large frame 4x7), 500 tele handlers and TM telemast wheel loaders (why we don't sell the small/mid size 400's). We do sell the 4000 and 8000 Fasttrac's as well, but I've only heard of one 4220 being sold through us, and it was delivered via a sister location of us.
The main issues we've had were:
- shipping larger parts, but because of brexit
- a new 542.70 where the hydrologic tank wasn't welded probably, and we needed 3 attempts to get that fixed, we actually needed to drill a hole into the frame and remove the rear axle for that.
I've mainly done the monthly storage inspections on them, but also had to add a pressure less return line to a 403, which was quite the pain because of the cab being fixed, and the space where that line goes into the tank, you need to replace a 90° fitting with a T one, and get the new hose tight in a space you can barely fit your hand into
If you’re not use to auxiliary functions set up like that it can be very frustrating! I’ve seen stuff like that on several different types of equipment, not just JCB.
I’m pretty sure that top secret information is concealed in operators manual or in one of the supplements.
How have the JCB’s been doing for you? I’m genuinely interested. I’ve seen lots of problems with them in the past but that was over ten years ago. Because of my past experience I can’t, in good conscience, recommend JCB. I like a lot of their newer features and I’m curious how the reliability is doing.
The operator’s manual is your friend.
Someone didn't listen to the video. Operators manual read front to back by two different folks repeatedly.
Pilot error
Well, if it was easy, anyone could do it?
Tilt is probably your least used function so it gets the crappiest combination of switches
But something like that on mono boom - is a BAD idea anyway!
JCB sells one for it. So, they sell something for their own equipment that’s a bad idea?
@@GoodWorksTractors Of course! They get to sell you new boom or the new machine after you bent it.
Sure, under warranty. Good plan 👍
@@GoodWorksTractors BTW - I have customer that have 3 of those, but he uses them for inside the wear house, because they are easy to jump in and out.
One time his CAT skid steer that has grapple on it and moves logs went down with undercarriage problems. And he didn’t listen to my suggestions and put one of those Robots on that job - now he is looking for good used boom.
And those new ones with electronic joysticks - non of his operators wants to work on it. Because it’s jerky as hell, and you can’t do anything about it.
@@GoodWorksTractors You’re funny! 😂
How many warranty claims you got covered by JCB?
They will come up with 25 reasons how you’ve been doing wrong, and they are not liable for it.
How about this: “sure warranty covers the hose and fitting - but it doesn’t cover the chewed up o-ring”, and never mind that O-ring is a part of fitting, and got chewed up because fitting wasn’t tightened properly when assembled.
Be nice to your brother…
You know what's funny is i bet you go fond some 10yo kid and he would figure it out 🤣🤣🤣 the tech is there you just gotta learn how to use it
I asked my daughter and she just said "you shouldn't have bought a JCB" 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh no
@@GoodWorksTractorssmart kid! 👍
Why would anyone buy a JCB any how. Not a good product at all.
So on the right stick you select the function, then to use the function you use the thumb control on the left stick?
Too many dam buttons. Lol
Can I just say when you slag of JCB you are damaging the good people of Savannah Georgia who designed and built these machines.
Well then do better!
I can imagine that blade will beat that jcb to death ☠️ in no time... Jcb is trash.
Doesn't matter what number the reason is. Just don't buy a JCB
JCB. Just Can't Be normal
British made nothing makes sense