Battery Science (Odyssey vs. DieHard)
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- čas přidán 25. 02. 2022
- What battery is better? The DieHard Platinum or the Odyssey Performance?
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DieHard Platinum Battery ($246)
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Odyssey Performance Battery ($307)
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Foxwell BT705 Battery Tester
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Schumacher SC1308 Battery Charger
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I installed a Diehard Platinum battery in my truck 8 yrs ago before moving from my warmer home state of Texas the Colorado Rocky Mountains...well, the foothills but close enough. During this time the truck has been burred in snow many times, experienced negative degrees countless times, driven roughly 40k miles, and the lights or dome lights left on a number of times and I have never had a single issue. Even leaving the dome lights on all night in freezing temps, it fired straight up. The only time I came close to possibly needing to jump it off was after letting it sit parked for several months recently. It struggled a little but eventually fired up. Its not that I believe it needs replaced, but I'm turning my truck into an overlander vehicle and looking into replacing my aging battery, hints why I stumbled across this video. I'm actually excited to hear they still make the diehard platinum battery!
I'd be happy to sell you mine if you want it. But I'm glad you like the battery, maybe I just got a bad one.
Leaving the lights on while freezing may have actually helped in your case -- having the battery stay warm during the cold night... Regardless -- the Diehard battery is a great battery! The Panasonic that came with my Land Cruiser did not make it a year (2021 Land Cruiser) -- checked the date code on the battery, it was a 2019 battery. I am guessing Toyota must store batteries for quite some time. I am in the same boat as you -- I am planning to build this LC as an overlander. I am thinking to go with AGM for the starter and later installing an additional AGM as a secondary. I am also thinking to setup a solar panel on the roof rack and having that charge up some lithium batteries and going with REDARC for the battery and solar management. Possibly having a switch to go between the AGMs and the Lithium, vice-versa -- in case of failures with either sets of batteries.
Previously die hard agm batteries where made by odyssey
I can only speak on the Odyssey. My battery was 6 months old and I broke my ankle and it sat in my 2004 Nissan Frontier V-6 for 5 months without starting. It turned over quickly & strong. It's correct you get what you pay for.
You really should use a maintenance charger on your Nissan if you are not going to drive your car for that long of a period. Noco Genius, CTEK and Pulsetech battery chargers and mainteners have a built in desulfate mode to extend the life of your battery. Pulsetech states that their patented frequency they use to desulfate a battery can extend the battery life up to three times. I use a Pulsetech PowerPulse passive battery desulfator on my 2001 BMW 530i battery, only time will tell how long it will last.
The ones with the gray case were mexican made, and had a high failure rate. Advance switched to a german manufacturer, these have a black case (at least this was the case for the group 49 agm platinums), and the quality control are much better on these. Would like to see these updated units tested.
Oddssey batteries love high amps while charging but you can’t exceed 14.7 volts or you will damage battery .So be careful when choosing chargers that don’t exceed 14.7 volts , but they love 25 amps or higher and will charge very quickly.
This was actually very informative and helpful on which to purchase thanks my guy 👍🏼
Odyssey definitely uses better materials and designs, the most important being virgin lead. The DieHard battery likely uses recycled lead. I would bet the main issue was that the DieHard may not have been fully charged before installation (happens a lot more than it should). On top of that, most newer vehicles use a smart charging system that does not charge the battery to 100% SOC (usually only 80%) and only charges at certain voltages when it thinks the battery needs to be charged based on driving habits and current consumption, all to maintain that 80% SOC. Vehicles with these systems that only take short trips do not drive long enough to replenish the current taken from the battery to start it (especially in the cold), not to mention all the accessories used immediately after like lights, heater, heated seats, etc. Heating elements require a lot of current so cold weather is definitely a strain on batteries, especially if they’re not being charged and maintained properly.
What is considered short trips? 10-20 minutes?
Recycled lead? Maybe not recycled intensely enough?
The recycled lead is the problem, It contains sulfate.
Looked at 10:34 again- that Battery Analyzer is saying that the battery is not at full charge and I believe it is right- maybe the charger was wrong when it said that the charging was finished - at full charge I would expect that the battery would be accepting about .5 amp or less at 14.7 volts and that immediately after removing the charger there would still be about 13 volts - at least 12.6- showing as open circuit voltage
thanks for the information! living out of my SUV i was needing a really high quality battery...especially during the colder months in michigan ahead.
How the Odyssey Batteries are made! Just wow! amazing
Like They Say You Get What You Pay For :) Made The Way The Should Be Build!! I.M.O. 5 Stars
Trying diehard AGM after dealing with 3 failed ODS batteries all before they should have expired. Wish me luck.
The batteries are not holding their first open circuit voltage during the "CCA" test. Most likely the tester is putting a high load on the battery,then measuring the time taken for the voltage (which drops dramatically during the test)to fall to a predetermined level,probably to something close to 7 volts. The longer that takes,the higher the battery scores on the test.
The test can only be approximate,since to replicate the exact test procedure the battery would have to be held for a long time at 0 degrees F, long enough to cool down to that temperature,then the battery would be put under a prescribed load and the time to reach a terminating voltage measured. I think the voltage assumed to be the minimum to crank a car,or perhaps the minimum voltage to hold the starter relay/solenoid if a GM product in.
Also I think they are allowed to charge the battery to the hilt before the test,and only a few sample batteries are tested,probably the production batteries intended for sale don't get tested since the full test would greatly stress the battery.
Probably the tester uses a lighter load (current) and higher minimum accepted terminal voltage,and uses a math formula and temperature measurement to try to duplicate what the actual (30 second?) at zero degrees test would indicate
otherwise the tester and leads would get very hot or catch on fire
I think most mechanics test batteries by putting an accurate voltmeter across the battery,operate the starter perhaps with the fuel injection and/or ignition systems disabled and read the voltage after about 10 seconds of cranking. More sophisticated ones would read amps draw at the same time.
Your car might not be keeping the battery at an acceptable level of charge,and/or something might be drawing too much current while the car is setting turned off. Like memory in the stereo and the burglar alarm. Even maybe a little light in the glove box not turning off when the cover is closed. 👹
Great video and explanation, however it was a unfair test as the DieHard Platinum AGM battery was not fully charged at 12.4 volts. I am going to buy a AGM battery if my 2001 BMW 530i battery ever fails. I am using a PulseTech PowerPulse passive battery desulfator on it to keep it working longer, Pulse Tech states that there patented frequency used to desulfate a battery can extend battery life by up to three times.
My guess is that the Diehard is not all the way full charged while the fancy one is,or at least at a higher percentage of fully charged than the Diehard. The Diehard measuring less than 12.6 volts might be a giveaway. I think one crude test of charge is to put a light load on the battery (like a single headlight bulb)for 3 minutes,remove the load,then wait a prescribed amount of time and then read the voltage of the battery without any load on it.
Charging a battery can take a long time and I doubt that the charger can detect whether the battery is fully charged without having been connected to it for at least 12 hours or so.
Question: do the AGM batteries require a higher finishing voltage to reach full charge than a traditional battery with liquid acid solution in the cells?
My battery charger came with a warning that it is to be unplugged before either being disconnected or connected to a battery,otherwise more danger of a spark which could cause a hydrogen explosion.
These batteries are vented so yes, they do release glasses when charged. In a well vented area the risk is quite low but a risk nonetheless.
I am on my third Odyssey battery in less than three years. Thankfully, Auto Zone warrantied the first two. The clerk said that I wasn't the first odyssey battery to come in and be replaced this week. So, I don't know if it is a batch or what, but over a period of three years with two failures, I've lost confidence in the brand. Especially, considering the battery was right around 500 dollars after tax. I'll run this third odyssey battery till it fails, and I won't be purchasing from the brand again.
I have had a Die-Hard Platinum AGM in the truck since 2018. It has never even blinked in six years. It has been rock solid. I do not mind paying for a quality product. But, for that premium price, it had better perform as expected.
Completely invalid analysis. Power - you would have to measure the Voltage AT the CCA load and then multiply those. Using the no load Voltage makes no sense. DB - BSEE 1978
I think the full requirement is that the fully charged battery has to be cooled to Zero Fahrenheit (0 degrees) and the maximum current that the battery can supply for 30 seconds determined without going below 7.2 volts at the terminals.
The small tester probably puts a much smaller load on the battery and tries to compute via algorhythm what the performance would have been at different larger currents and voltage losses. So sort of guessing.
Lost an AGM Diehard in my Jeep in about 8 months with little use. I've had the same two Optimas in my tractor for 20 years. Stick with Odessey.
I think there is a fuse in there (WJ Grand Cherokee?) maybe called "off idle draw" or something that can be pulled in order to slow the battery discharge tendency when the car is to be stored without a battery tender or maintainer connected-----
info buried somewhere in the technical service manual? Disconnecting the battery or pulling the fuse will produce some inconvenience such as losing radio preset channels and "memory seat",possibly some erratic automatic transmission behavior or even engine behavior when the car is first started after the fuse is replaced,also the "automatic climate control" going bonkers for a while
what is the best battery for 2007 mercedes e550?
Bad test! I have no dog in this fight but his starter damaged the die-hard before the test! He even stated that he had a bad starter at about the 16:30 mark and had shorted out the die-hard multiple times. This “test” would need to be repeated with a new die-hard. You have the data for the odyssey so it could just be compared to the performance of a new die-hard.
You described the situation as being a direct short if so that would certainly have damaged that battery!!! Considering the difference in cost a new die-hard might be a great value!
So a couple things here. You are comparing a new battery to a used one. The used on did a rapid charge with a smart charger. Out all the smart chargers I have used rapid charge does not do a full 100% charge. You should of done the 2 amp charge till it was done. A low 2 amp charge generally will get it to 100% charge. Or bought a new Die Hard and compared.
Next thing an unloaded battery test is a waste of time. I only ever check voltage to see if I need to charge the battery when unloaded and battery voltage is a concern. You need it in the vehicle or under a load to do a real test. Out of the dozens of vehicle I have diagnosed electricals issue from a bad battery, 70% or more of them only ever failed when battery was under a load. To be clear a loaded battery is installed in the vehicle. Weather the vehicle is on, running or off. Or loading the battery up with current. that current can be 60 amps or 10 mA. Before I became a business owner and had worked for someone else the parts retailers that sold batteries always asked if I had tested the batteries before they would accept a warranty battery. If the answer was no then they wouldn't take it cause they knew I would truly tell if it was bad or not(We had a lot of returned batteries that weren't bad from other techs. The retailers were tired of it).
H7 and H8 are larger physical battery sizes than 65 I guess
65 is still larger than what will fit in a lot of cars
Misery is having a tiny battery box that will only hold a 20 or 30 lb. battery which won't give as much power and won't last as long as a larger unit even if the larger unit is a lower line battery with a lower price
got to look at a new monster Dodge SRT,it has the battery in a compartment under the trunk floor,I think the battery was an H7 but the compartment is larger than the battery that is in it
Just purchased the DieHard Platinum AGM 24F Platinum AGM Battery for my 2005 Acura TL.
How’s it going? Got the same for my Honda
@Boss Hogg Leo So far so good 👍
Can anyone tell me what is going on when,agm setting on charger exceeds 15.3 when gmc says it won't exceed 14 8vokts?
I had a Sears Diehard lasted me 10yrs.
Got my Die hard Platinum 10 years ago from Sears for my 92 Lumina. I killed two wet cell batteries within three months time after installing a 2000 watt stereo system back in 2012. So after online digging around and watching a cool diehard commercial with singer Gary Numan i was sold on the Die Hard Platinum AGM Dual post model. That Die Hard is still going strong 10 years later after being pounded on by a 2000 WATT RMS AMP OVER THOSE 10 YEARS. And no that's with a stock alternator and a big capacitor for the amp. Now all my vehicles have die hard AGM batts.
Excellent feedback thanks for dropping a comment. A lot of people seem to like the DieHard batteries so I'm assuming I got a bad one.
The "Diehard" batteries,even just the AGM ones,might have changed manufacturer. @@StraightSRT8
This is old but the diehard battery’s from sears were when they were manufactured by odessey, thus the quality. Now I believe they’re made by North Star. Also a great company but is not the same design or use of more pure materials like odessey does.
I believe North Star was recently purchased by EnerSys,the maker of Odyssey. @@dylanwatson8468 Not sure but EnerSys may have owned "Optima" and then sold it to Johnson Controls which supposedly moved manufacture of Optima out of the USA.
@@dylanwatson8468 I agree I bought a Die Hard agm battery 2 years ago for my wife's 89 1500 that's mainly a back up vehicle. The new die hard agm battery is just not as tough as the old ones for sure. Both my car and her truck are driven about the same amount of time but my car battery out performs the new one. I'm gonna see just how much longer that 2012 agm Die Hard battery last. Im fully prepared its probably not gonna give a warning when it gives up. After below freezing nights its a little bit slower on starts but still starts the car under 4 seconds.
That battery had failed the test you might as well charge it again at a 3 amp setting for 24 to 48 hours and then come back and retest it be sure to check your water levels and your electrolyte levels.
12V vehicle battery's are 12.6V. 6*2.1V each cell is 2.1V not 2.2. Otherwise great video.
i really want to try the ODYSSEY Extreme but i need to run my old diesel and thats like $850
and i get nervous because the interstates i always buy last my 8-10 years before complete failure and delver a reliable amount of power
If you have a preferred battery manufacturer that you trust and works well for you then stick with it. However if you want to switch, this is a great alternative.
Oddsey is very good I been using them since 2012 I only purchased 1 and it’s still going to this day in my daily
Odyssey has a good battery I have one in my Toyota SUV but if you’re getting 8 to 10 years out of some other batteries, there’s really no complaints there. I’ll be more than happy if I got that out of my odyssey and it’s just barely less than my personal all-time record of 12 years.From a 1990 Mercedes 190e 2.6 lasted from new to 2002
I just bought the Odyssey Extreme AGM 34/78 PC1500 for my 1998Corvette. I think it will outlast me. 🥃😎
Mine is the Odyssey Performance AGM 35 Just bought it $ 335.35 $
I tell my neighbors it is well worth the money. How many batteries are you going to buy in the future? Do the math :) I agree this battery going to outlast me too lol
The super start AGM battery I've had better luck with it it is for high performance cars and cars that have DVD players and other electronic devices for family entertainment on the go but as long as your alternator is working your battery should stay charged regardless of what you run off your battery DVD players can draw off the battery so when you put the car in storage make sure the DVD player does not turn itself on make sure there's a way to turn it off and hope that it stays off I don't know if you can but kill switch on your battery to keep your electronics from draining your battery would that be a wise option or not just be sure that when you do that that you make sure that you turn your kill switch back on when you want to start your car.
Let me start out by saying great video Iam in the process of determining what AGM battery to go with and this video is helping in that decision, But! man I don't see any test that you do on the new battery will chalk up to what the old battery endured because from what you say every time it went to work it had that nasty starter knocking it over it's head and in the process damaging it little by little plus the normal wear and tear it endured as with the new battery its designed to work long and hard in the cold heat and normal wear and tear so without the damaging component to the new battery being done your comparison test wont hold true it would need to be tested under the same exact conditions to be fair .
True. But it turned out that the starter was fine, the issue was the battery all along. The real test will come in the winter, that's when I'll finish the comparison and update the video. But I agree with you on most of the comments.
I have a super start Platinum technology AGM battery it has lasted every battery I've had the optimas are a piece of crap and I'm not even sure how the Odyssey battery performs cuz I've never owned one I want to see if I get better results with an Odyssey battery but what sucks is those numbers on the Odyssey battery are not what the machine may say machine may say the battery has higher cranking amps and boosting capability such as running high performance appliances keep that in mind?
You bring up a very good point. In fact I am currently working on a video to discuss this specifically. This will be part of my knowledge Drop series. I will discuss the science behind how batteries work and how to size them. I also get into their downfalls and why some are better than others. When the video drops be sure to let me know your thoughts.
@@StraightSRT8 I don't know why the Red top says it has a hundred and 92 reserve hours in it I'm finding out it doesn't have that many it has maybe half the hours in it and it says no I haven't had much luck at all in certain optima batteries
I also believe the battery you have might be a con so be careful about that also?
And one thing to keep in mind a true DieHard battery will not let you down if it was a true DieHard battery I think you got ripped off when buying the die hard battery die hard has been a good battery to me over the years but you cannot find a Sears roebuck place anymore that gets decent batteries or manufactures decent batteries I've had decent batteries with die hard now all the sudden I'm using a super start battery cuz I cannot get my diehards anymore.
Sears doesn’t own DieHard, the name was sold to AdvanceAuto and the manufacturing was handed off to Johnson Controls which sold its battery division to Clarios. Same with Optima, both are now made by Clarios, previously Johnson Controls (which is when their quality went down the drain).
@@brandonhooker4498 Good to know, why did their quality go down and batteries no longer last as long as when they were made in the USA?
1 is CLARIOS and the other is EAST PENN.
CLARIOS SUX 😢
You can't compare a used battery to a new battery.
Return it. Get yourself new one. Tell them you have a defective one
Odyssey and Diehard Platinum both are made by EnerSys the batteries are probably identical minus color. Lol
Diehard is now made by johnson controls (after sears went out of business and advance auto parts took the naming rights)
Jeff is correct, Odessy and Diehard Platinum are made by the same company in the same manufacturing plant and supposedly on the same line. Johnson Controls AGM batteries are Optimas and the company name has changed.
@@davekoch1184 Flat out wrong, Odyssey is still made by enersys but diehard is made by clarios (division of johnson controls)... Source, I literally sell batteries for a living, read the labels and talk to the venders (johnson controls/clarios and enersys) Johnson controls also bought the optima name, similarly to how they bought the diehard name.
I think DieHard is just a brand name and the owner of that name can choose and change whoever they want to have the contract to make the batteries @@MiraiKun5600
Might be well to see whether any of the batteries at Advance Auto or Auto Zone are made by East Penn Manufacturing rather than Johnson or whatever the name is now @@davekoch1184
Die Hard is made in Mexico. I will stick with the American made Odyssey.
DIE HARD BATTERIES SUCK I HAD TO REPLACE THEM MUTIPLE TIMES
DieHard is just a brand name that has been sold as I understand,the branded batteries could be made by whatever factory the brand owner choose.
Diehards are junk batts.
@interstatebatteries