MAJOR Exotic & Weapons CHANGES (Izanagi/Witherhoard NERFS) | Destiny 2 The Final Shape
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- Today, we're taking a look at the most recent blog post from Bungie covering all of our weapon changes going into The Final Shape.
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0:00 Intro
0:25 Weapon Archetypes
10:35 Exotics
20:58 Perks
25:29 Outro
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nerfing lament in a non sword meta is insane
"oh no lament is too good for crotas end...we better nerf it" meanwhile there's like 3 bosses in the game you can actually use swords on, it's like they just want us to use legendary swords instead.
@@JGburneraccount I only use lament on Atraks and the Galhran echo in Duality tf bungie smoking XD
Lement is one of the 3 viable titan builds. Bungie hates titans. 😔
You played the final shape already? That's crazy
@@Luke973Tthey’d have to buff swords like hell in order for a sword meta to even be thought of for tfs
Nerfing kinetics in PvE is wild
So dumb they need a buff badly.
Honestly for me this is somewhat of a win. It means that all those stasis and strand special weapons i have patterns for will now possibly make me consider taking off my supremacy.
I said the same god damn thing like they just want us to play the game like how they want to
It's only to bosses and it sounds like they have future plans for kinetics at some later time. It's a pretty small nerf and most people would never notice.
true, it's double edged sword of a change I mean it ofc good for strand and stasis thingies but it's also bad for some other options that were kinetic like warden's law and malfeasance is getting this -15% debuff(so it's also kinda lucky pants nerf), mountain top, Imperial decree with trench barrel, succession and kinda arbalest as backup damage option in GoTD and also touch of malice
Next update: We've realized that weapons still kill enemies, so we've set the damage output to 0 across the board.
Lmao 🤣
*and buffed common rarity weapons and armor because they were too weak
bungie really looked at helldivers and said "Man, look at how happy that community is with nerfs"
I quit playing when they nerfed the bolt action, I played solo 9’s mostly and it totally screwed me.
Came back to Destiny after 2 years, just wish I had some people to play with, Helldivers is fun solo, Destiny not so much.
Literally more buffs than nerfs here. Yall boohooing too much lol.
@@1ntothefray583 its the fact that those nerfs weren't needed Mr.Airhead
@@1ntothefray583that isn't how you look at the overall game
@@Ghostwithalisp this is bungie we’re talking about. The fact that you’re surprised says more about you than me. Haha
Poor Osteo Striga 😔... and the Lament nerf was just plain disrespectful 😭
All of the nerfs felt extremely unnecessary. Osteo is basically dead now and Lament's healing factor never felt that strong to begin with. I'm not entirely sure what the sandbox team at Bungie are smoking. "Adaptive Burst Linear Fusions are strong", sure Bungie.
Linear Fusions not named Sleeper are garbage. The nerf that hit after season of the Hunt and again when Stormchaser was released and then again after Veist Stinger perk made them the least useful heavy weapon. They are now situational and GLs/Rockets have been the go-to for the last 7-8 seasons
@insatiablenate3963 The only reason why lament's healing was "strong" is because the ease of access warlocks and titans have to restoration
@@insatiablenate3963 adaptive burst are strong lol , they are missing the strongest perk that's all
They owe us a yucky catalyst for Lament now...
Buffing Bastion exotic fusion rifle is concerning, cause according to the sundial we will die while using that weapon lol.
point 👉
Still not going to use it XD
My child, we create our own fate
Im gonna punch the Witness out of existence
@@lukegill6908, bud, don't compare me to the vaporhead
Gotta love deconstruct being fun for the briefest possible time before they obliterated it.
Fr
Lament at launch: first time?
I have an Albedo Wing with Replenishing Aegis and Deconstruct and i love it for sustained tanking, too bad they're kneecapping it
bungie does the same thing every time they introduce something that's actually fun/useful. nerf it into the ground once players find a way to optimize it. they put 0 thought into anything they add to the game which is why most exotics suck and don't see use when they were once pretty good.
I still don't really see the reason why. It wasn't available in any meta-breaking weapons, and for edge transit specifically it wasn't the objectively best option, so why make it into pretty much a useless perk given that it rolls in the 4th column
Why am i not suprised darci wasnt brought up at all... they are terrified of that gun
If Darci ever gets a buff we need to check on Bungie
This made me laugh way harder than it shouldve
@@Fluffei22i actually laughed out loud
when will Mr. Darci get some love...
Why tho? It's so pathetic in its current state that even if all they did was give it a mild damage buff it still wouldn't be a great dps option. I don't think they're afraid of it; I think they just keep forgetting it's there
I like how they're acting as if the buff on 1k made it usable
I didn't realize it was buffed what did they do to it?
@@Gravesyte more ammo
I literally still haven’t touched it
@Slattimir I use it on Legenday Dares of Eternity sometimes, because of the heavy ammo on rounds 2 and 3. But even there is doesn't really feel all that good. Not sure what the gun is supposed to be used for.
This week in onslaught its nasty on bosses due to the surge. And its a guaranteed stun on unstoppable champions. And being able to draw a line on the floor for a group of trash mobs causing ignitions and destruction on them is very satisfying. Until the blueberry jumps on front of you. Im not saying omg its meta. But its nice to use something different for once
giving symmetry eddy current instead of voltshot is really dumb even with the buff eddy current is a dead perk...
It Def should volt on the homing projectiles
Agree that it should voltshot, but I’m probably going to keep a few Eddy Current weapons now and see how they feel post buff
Just make kill add stacks to revolution :(
@@carlosflores4179
THANK YOU. It's a pain in the ass to have to get precision hits on a rapid fire scout in pve unless you find a boss/miniboss to shoot at.
They should've kept the bug that made the homing shots stun unstoppable champs then it would at least be usable
i love sitting in the back of the map and chipping away at an orange bar with a pulse ❤ thx bungie
They buffed damage against red bars like we dont already have 90 thousand ways of nuking them instantly LMAO. Not touching orange bars was classic bungie balancing
@@solis7368 they're buffing pulses against everything by 20% and buffing them again against red bars by 15%
They should make enemies seek out campers
Yeah true I get tired of playing the distance game.
@@ReeceRaccah yes, make GMs impossible for non-titans, why not give syntho a buff as well?
Clearly, Bungie thinks there are still way too much Destiny players
Only the people who are addicted to this game and keep playing it will actually pay attention to the blog post.
Well: no. Only change I hate is deconstruct but I wonder why it was so important for them to change it
@@arjunbaweja7755because it would almost double your reserves on edge transit if you lowered your mag size enough? it would probably have too much ammo convenience for the raid and in endgame
HAHAHAHAHAHA..... Exactly!!!!!! I am so pissed on this Twid drop is as dumb and the name TWID!
Literally. They are fucking up all of the great balance changes they've made in the last 6 months
There is zero reason for div to be nerfed (it’s a player sacrificing their entire dps for ease of use). This is ridiculous.
My only theory is that the raid must’ve been too easy during play testing; maybe easier than RoN w/ some of the weapon changes.
@@BigKrisco I highly doubt the test found div to be the most optimal. The only way I see that happening is if the boss is either moving a shit ton or not at all.
It's not that big of a nerf... do you even understand what these numbers mean?
75% more ammo to get the cage is nothing. It goes from 9 bullets do 16 bullets to generate the cage. It has a 1000 rpm... wich means it takes 0.42 seconds longer. it literally dosent matter
Saltgreppo is happy somewhere.
divinity is no skill tho, back in my days in D1 we had to aim
💀
Lament should not be getting a nerf whatsoever, it’s only used in 2 encounters and even then it’s not the best in those encounters. Highkey an L nerf
Nerf is due to upcoming raid encounter. Trust.
If no one really uses it, why does it matter? Lol
@@Dad_Noir it's only meta in two encounters, but lots of people use it in other scenarios just for fun. i like using lament whenever i get the chance because it's a different dps strategy to rockets or grenade launchers. for those people, this sucks, because it doesn't need the nerf. but their fun is gone or lessened.
Bungle must have ties with Hasbro because its Nerf or nothing
Div is getting nerfed. Well is getting nerfed. Izanagi is getting nerfed. What is the Final Shape Raid gonna be like?
Easier than ron if they're nerfing div again XD
Raids gonna be nerfed to lmao
Still Izi GL/Whisper with Div.
Day one raid I’ll always rock outbreak , and it just got buffed as well so that’s nice
This game, i swear.
*After reading all of this info
"Damn, Vex is getting a 3% nerf"
😂😂😂
did it say that it's getting a nerf?
@@ashleybekemeier1432 no, it's just by looking at the numbers since all exotic primaries currently do that 40% extra damage to red bars but in the final shape they will do only 30% more but All fusion rifles are going to get a 7% buff which includes Vex so 30% + 7% = 37% instead of the current 40%
But I also could be wrong and they could do the 30% and the 7% multiplied (1.3 x 1.07 = 1.391) but yeah thanks for coming to my nerdy ass Ted talk lol
@@chickencoop5545 oh i see, thanks for elaborating. rip vex literally unusable
@@chickencoop5545 as far as i know Vex didnt recieve the 40 procent dmg for red bars?
That colony buff is straight out of a horror game/movie the nightmare flashbacks 😱
"Cross was found dead in his room last night."
"What got him?"
"Colony grenade. They're persistent little bastards."
Truth has one of two paths:
1. The Mega Generic Exotic. Basically, max stats. High stability, handling, reload speed, 3 in the mag, and auto-reload on catalyst.
2. Lean into D1 Truth. Mega aggressive D1 tracking, huge proximity detection and giant blast radius to catch targets you didn't directly hit.
I hope they increase the damage output to match with the enemy toughness. When Lightfall dropped, they definitely made the enemies tougher. It made for frustrating gameplay.
Literally why I never ever do explore on Neomuna. Why bother doing something that grindy when the rewards are not commensurate.
Bungie: "we want to reduce ability spam and increase gun usage"
Also Bungie: *implements enemies that tank entire magazines and require ability spam to effectively kill*
I don't always explore neomuna, but when I do, I bring an aggressive shotgun with discord.
Wait... Do people find Neomuna difficult?
@@jamesmack9598 Longer enemy TTKs does not mean harder. It means less fun
Get good didn’t have an issue
Everything being nerfed is what happens when the sweats complain about difficultly consistently
Saltgreppo is happy now
Next patch notes: 'we've increased health across the board by 87,930% for enemy combatants"
The next patch notes after that: We hear players and are reducing enemy combatant health by 5%. We feel this allows players to still use the weapons they know and love while also not trivializing content
@@gamingoverlord8854 patch notes after that: We feel as though the 0.01% uptime on abilities and supers is too high in the current sandbox, so we will be reducing their function to be purely aesthetic to 'compliment' the gunplay.
All I got from this is that Bungie thinks having fun is bad and decided to nerf everything into the ground.
If I’m being honest, this patch took a lot of the winds out of my sails that Into The Light gave. A number of my favorite weapons got huge nerfs. Dang
Sam brother. Its dumb asf.
at the end of the day it's just a game so I'm not rlly upset abt it
@@jackalexandeat the end of the day this is a game people play to have fun. These changes do not look fun. Period.
@@jackalexande
Football is a "game" as well and you see all the xrap from that. 🤣
@@jackalexandeare people not allowed to be passionate about something they like? Just because it’s a game? lol
Can they please just make queenbreaker an energy weapon again. It has no business being in the heavy slot
Just had this conversation last night lol
@@chrisberg7862 I used to use it all the time for fun in 6v6 back in D1. Nowadays I don’t even thinks there’s one in my vault. It never had much utility in pve and will be far from a meta option even after these changes. Making it a power weapon just hurt the only place where it saw usage
Absolutely hate nerfing so many weapons at once with all the other changes coming to the game.
These buffs do not make up for the horrid nerfs. It's about to feel awful.
Honestly, the nerfs felt targeted and unnecessary. Sunshot and Polaris were already gonna feel worse when this season ended, but now they're gonna feel like shit. Wave frame grenade launchers don't feel good in above-level content, but now they're gonna be damn near unusable.
Osteo is literally fucking dead, tragic as hell. Thorn and Necrotic Grips are better now in every way imaginable. Lament getting smacked like it is and Bungie not even bothering to fix its tracking feels personal.
People are going to use thorn with necro and than they are going to nerf poison and thorn in the next few months. I’m sad 😢
@@insatiablenate3963 Lament out here catching strays from Bungie lmao
@@insatiablenate3963 sunshot will NOT feel bad lmao but yeah its defo some heavy and wierd nerfs
Get a life
My man, keeping up with content even on vacation with the family. Appreciate you.
He's the most humble D2 youtuber 👌
Its his livelihood😂 lol
He's touring Bungie for the Final Shape, not on family vaca lol
This is such a weird weapon pass considering the power creep of prismatic. Also the Sunshot and Polaris ones seem like an oversight, like they forgot they are only as cracked as they are right now because of artefact
It didn't seem to mention it here, but I'm pretty sure when they first spoke of the new Necrochasm catalyst, they also mentioned that, unlike One For All, you could actually refresh the Duration on this buff as much as ya want, which is pretty rad
Yeah Necro is about to be insane.
This is exactly why I haven’t gotten the final shape. All these unneeded nerfs. Why grind for weapons just to have them nerfed and made worthless
No Tarrabah buff while Necrochasm is gonna be running rampant everywhere is WILD
Tarrabah recently destroyed pvp and was a near top pve exotic Necrochasm released in a spot where despite being good people were calling it bad and it had next to no usage so it's getting a buff. Also bungie said back with in season of the seraph I think it was the reason they don't touch tarrabah much is because the thing is on a thin line between completely broken and useless.
@@wintereclipse3263tarrabah has never been a top pve gun lmao
@@JeremyMikstay I said near. It had dps matching some of the top specials at the time and some of the best ad clearing. It started dropping when other weapons got buffed but for a short time it was a powerhouse capable of nearly 1 phasing a bunch of raid bosses
@wintereclipse3263 it was never a top PVE weapon. It was out shined by recluse since day one. It's never had the spotlight in PVE. While in PVP, it was a menace for sure, but fuck it. Let em buff it for the final shape and give us some fun. As of now, I would take recluse over it still. Probably any other smg as well to be fair. It's cool when it works, but even throwing a battery in onslaught makes you lose half your charge. It's outta control.
Give it incedecant
The Lament and Izangi nerfs are the only things I don’t understand, osteo was a bit weird too tho 😐
Could have at least let izi keep the 7% buff, pointless.
bc theyre busted?
@@Wad3ywe are not playing the same game
Iznagi was dps meta so made sense.
In what world are those weapons not busted? Osteo had easiest adclear in the game, divinity is still a must pick, and half the players still izi swap beacose of how good the dps is
Bungie: Grave Robber needs some extra Love
.... Sealed Ahamkaras die in a Corner and Explode.
Let's be honest here you aint using sealed grasps ever unless they get a rework
@@revolvingzyclon6901 Yes i even gave Bungie multiple rework ideas but they won't listen to my Yapping so you will have to do.
Thematicly similar to Ahamkara Spine i woud make it so that Sealed Ahamkara Grasps replace your Melee ability:
- Ahamkaras Claw
A strong powerd Melee AoE Cleave that can Hit Multiple Targets that adapts to your subclass.
Hits with the Powerd Melee refill all weapons.
Multikills (2-3 Targets + more) Overflows all Weapons Magazines (all exept Heavy if first is too unbalanced)
Gives a chunk of melee energy based on Enemys Hit/Killed (depends on Balance).
Normal Melee still functions like "Nightmare Fule" powerd Melee Kills and Finisher give you some melee energy.
This why i haven't pre ordered
All I got from this is that Sweaty Confetti is back. 🎉🎉
I am thinking this too.
The deconstruct nerf is understandable but also incredibly frustrating.
For a perk that no one was using, it's extremely undeserving of a nerf.
All that grinding for that damm tusk of the boar… what a sick joke😢
Just spent 4 weeks grinding out an edge transit with sticky nades, cascade and deconstruct for them to gut it the next day. Dope.
@@mc_Kliterally got mine a few days back, gonna get deleted now most likely
Another dead perk like 80% of the perks in the game. More fucking trash to fill their rng slot machine to make it that much harder to get anything useable like 7-9 perk column 3&4 wasn’t enough
Currently devastated about the Deconstruct nerf. I have an Albedo Wing with Replenishing Aegis and Deconstruct and it had SUPERB sustained tanking.
Absolutely sucks that they decided to nerf it instead of fixing the bug with explosive weapons.
The nerfing of splash damage to the 4 exotics popular this season is WEIRD! How did the dev team just forget about their own seasonal mods that made these weapons excel into the “you’re dumb to not use it” category
Osteos overflow already takes too long to poc where you essentially need to wait for enemies to die and also not accidentally reload at th end of the bas magazine, why don't they fix that instead
100000% Agree. Its absolutely the worst part of the gun (otherwise super fun) and now this bullshit.
I swear bungie have a boner against actual fun gunplay and instead of making other guns fun and competitive, they rather take the lazy route and nerf to force you into playstyles you *don't* enjoy
Trying to make the new raid seem harder than it has to be.
Yup that's bungies "difficulty" nerf everything and make enemies bullet sponges and then make us do less damage... Smh trash
Exactly. It’s so obvious it’s hilarious. Seems my hopes for the raid might be too high
None of DPS the meta weapon have been nerfed and primary overall do more damage especially relative to exotics which mean zaoli and Luna are gonna be even more potent for endgame for example. You just got overwhelmed.
@@r0main.895the dlc havent released yet, expect meta weapons nerf on release lmao, i swear you bungie throaters like to to forget who bungie is and what they tend to do.
@@aygaion2295 I mean it doesn’t work like that, for each big event you have one TWID for weapon adjustments and one for exotic armors and abilities. what we learned is what we will get for final shape then it will change for each episodes following. It was like this for every seasons this year
My heal clip incandescent Jurassic Green looking to be up in value
0 times anything is still 0 sorry
Wish I had it. Never got heal clip with my incandescent rolls.
I would love to love that gun, but unfortunately it feels like the most inacurrate and jumpy peashooter they ever created
I’m gonna craft the adhorative today it gets heal clip incandescent
@@Xarcell Adhorative is craftable and can get heal/incan :)
Outbreak is about to be the most used PVE Primary in Final Shape. It's kinetic which builds Transcendance the fastest and with that 20% buff it's going to cook literally everything.
kinetics got nerfed, not buffed
@@coreypark3244 Reread what they said and reread the patch section on pulse rifles
Yea I may have to cook a Chromatic Fire build for it ngl
@@coreypark3244 Man can't do elementary school level math, that's tough
Yeah until everyone starts using it and that will get nerfed like everything else people use the most smh
The amount of nerfs does not outweigh the buffs, mostly because the nerfs we're getting were NOT needed in the slightest. Lament was just stupid, Osteo Striga might genuinely be a dead exotic now. Hey here's a cool exotic smg designed entirely around ad-clear, now hows about we add a fucking 4 second cooldown to the ad-clear part of the gun??? Fucking stupid as hell
When does Bungie replace the full auto perk on guns that still have them??
I know right
And remove the full auto mod they got rid of boss spec and kept full auto?
@@evo3481 It's for people who don't want full auto on all weapons, and only a select few. They don't have to compromise on losing some damage by not using spec mods now.
Lol! A fix for something that doesn't touch the economy? Keep waiting
@@yashugoyal1772yea but you’re throwing if you arent using full auto
gonna get rid of a lot of my deconstruct weapons now
Probably just put them in vault never use them
Supremacy with bait and switch is gonna be a must use during DPS phases with kinetics getting that nerf.
Supremacy is still getting a 7% buff to make up that slight nerf.
Also Kinetic Tremors with Rewind Rounds>>>>Bait and Switch
@@nullandvoid7524 Fourth times/Rewind rounds > kinetic tremors/rewind rounds lmao
@@revolvingzyclon6901if you are a bot that doesn’t swap then yeah lmao
@@revolvingzyclon6901 Try using your heavy for damage maybe
@@yashugoyal1772if youre on tractor, ghorn or dragons breath u wanna use supremacy or ikelos
Latest TWAB in history fr
It’s not a twab. It’s a dev insight.
Bruh it's not even Thursday 😅
Twab so late it came out early
He’s on vacation rn
He's running...a..marathon
They nerf things that are being abused BECAUSE OF THE ARTIFACT MOD. By themselves their average or above average weapons but not broken
I cant wait to use Outbreak with the pulse buff in TFS. It already feels extremely good this season. Using it with Wewind Wounds and another 20% damage buff is gonna be wild
They are going to nerf outbreak in 6 months. That's how Bungie deals with things, this is shit.
One part, kinetics do build anything faster. It builds both bars at the same time at half the speed, or one bar at normal speed if the other is full. (Before accounting for the fragment)
So may 22 we'll see the "Frost armor" and other stasis updates, hopefully. Been 5 months when Aztecross showed that twab.
We saw frost armour active in a vid on new map few weeks back it seems to stack guy had it at x4
@chrisotoole82 yeah but what does it do? I'm sure it like barrier in a way, but we don't know it yet.
Wow, no Ticcus Divination buff
Sorry, best we can do is nerf Osteo a 3rd time and make Lament a blue sword.
I just want a tiny bit of scorch on hip fire. So many things can be triggered by the smallest bit of scorch.
And Devils Ruin. If only the laser mode would apply scorche.
@@perooo8526 they should make devils a special sidearm like indebted kindness from warlords ruin
@@perooo8526 And hitting the whole laser burst causes an ignition, imagine...
these nerfs are ridiculous, im dreading the armor nerfs in the next twab😭😭
I'm expecting something that makes it where people don't feel forced to run surges (in Raids and such)
At this point bungie just forgot that Daci even exists
I've always loved eriana's, Ignition on a shield break sounds so beautiful
Ammo economy is still ass tho..
@@raptoreagle2000 Still won't one shot barriers either so it'll stay dismantled over here 🗣🤦😂
I love eriana's, but really wished the unstoppable hand cannon mod worked on it 😭
@@wkgates That would have single handedly saved it when Unstoppable Hand Cannon came out just for the utility alone. But nah... Bungie killed that dream fast. 😭👎😭
Agree but put on the right mods if you're in Solar spec and you have 38 shots in reserve.
Why is bungie doing Kinetic to snipers.We grind for these weapons to have fun and feel powerful
Collective Obligation getting nothing but buffs since it came out is crazy
I’m a lucky pants hunter so hearing that the Wardens law got a massive nerf for no damn reason after grinding for it just makes me so bummed…
Honestly kinda took the wind out of me man…
well time for you to grind the new 2 burst weapon thats coming with final shape :)
I can't find anything about this nerf, what was the nerf? Cause if true I will be going back to never touching hunter as Lucky Pants is the only reason I play that class.
@@UndeadCheetah kinetic weapons got nerfed against bosses.
@@UndeadCheetah Also, Handcannon lost boss spec and did not get the 7.7% buff to match against bosses. They onlty got a 5% buff vs red bars. So, Wardens law lost 15% or more against bosses with Lucky Pants. Crappy
Osteo, never forget 2022-2024 😢
I’m so glad I didn’t chase deconstruct, man, I just knew Bungie wasn’t going to let this live like that.
Repulsor/Destablizing Elsie’s Rifle stocks are up baby
I think Bungie doesn’t understand that making big changes, nerfs to people’s favorite weapons right before a new expansion is not the smartest move to get people to buy
First, there are already so many new changes to Final Shape to deal with, now a big change to weapons as well
A lot of changes coming coming after a season that everyone was really enjoying
Should have waited till after the launch, let us get used to Prismatic changes and new enemies etc, then make whatever changes to the weapons to fit, as it would make more sense to players after seeing the new meta
Too many nerds at Bungie who just look at stats, but are clueless about true human nature. Less is more sometimes and knowing how to not overwhelm your customers
This was a good season I really enjoyed after a very long time of boring ones, not looking foreword to the FS as much as I hoped I would…
Sunshot has probably been my favorite weapon since year 1.
This is gonna hurt.
Not at all lmao. The gun will feel the same, you're going to feel the lack of artifact mods, not the 10% aoe damage nerf.
Sunshot was absolute shit back in year 1😂. So if it was your favorite weapon before its massive buff idk how in the hell this would change your opinion on using it
w h a t. It was shit for so long, think for a second here, if you liked it back THEN, it only became worth using pretty presently, and ittl be way better than it used to be.
@@rayne217 hopefully it'll still light up rooms just fine.
BTW they mentioned that:
"Also note that, because Exotic weapons can't equip mods, this gives them a larger relative buff than Legendaries, e.g., Riskrunner's maximum possible damage is increased 10% versus red bars, but Shayura's Wrath's is increased by 3% in effect because it can no longer slot a Minor Spec mod. "
So take all of these buffs, and take off 7% since the spec mods are going away. For example, autos are getting a 15% buff to red bars, but if you've always ran minor spec on your auto, the buff will be more like 6-7%
Further note on the riskrunner comparison. It actually doesn't get a damage change going into fs due to exotic primarys are going from 40% to 30% bonus vs redbars. It literally doesn't change it's damage profile vs redbars in pve going in FS.
I use blast furnace with firefly zen moment now and it’s gng to be better.
Not sure if anyone else noticed this but along with the recent changes to 450 pulses and the new damage in TFS, Bad juju might be a go to pick for a primary. I believe bad juju and huckleberry are the only weapons with the original rampage damage scaler which is up to 60%? So when juju revs up you’re probably looking at almost 90%+ more damage to red bar/enemies.
My only actual concern is the reduction of the splash damage of both Polaris lance (I just realized that the weapon is REALLY good) and Sunshot (One of my main weapons) but solar being solar i think it will be fine... Also, is pretty obvius that they are nerfing Osteo so we use Necrochasm instead for the same build. And the lament buff... dang, I just got the weapon, welp, onto Sleeper simulant again.
Bungie sure knows how to blow your high huh?!
That's the bungie we know and hate. What happened to desperate bungie, hungry to please us and lure us back? They dropped that mask quickly
Best Lament combo is 2 lights + 1 heavy, its fast and its good for damage.
Soo…legendary rockets and grenade launchers got somewhat of a nerf. You can no longer add damage spec mods to them and they didn’t mention a universal increase damage to either. I guess you could slot in adept mag, but that only applies to GL’s and nobody really goes for that if envious assassin is an option.
the kinetic nerf was dumb.. shoulda been a stasis and strand buff to bring them up to the boss damage numbers instead imo
If they make the weaken for deterministic chaos 30 percent like tractor cannon it will be come meta overnight.
Personally very happy that they’re renaming the Adaptive Burst Sidearms to differentiate them from the non-burst frame archetype of the same previous name, that tilted me so much
3:13 so fusions, snipers, and glaives are remaining are at 7% being equal to major, boss, and adept big ones spec.
Lines Fusion rifles are only getting a 5% buff… meaning they are actually being nerfed FURTHER. Not by a lot but the nerfs add up. Not to mention they are all a nerf when compared to Taken Spec.
This is why I didn't order FS because alot of the nerfs have to do with Prismatic bungie is like this will be to power when u use an exotic it sould feel good instead nerfs to the grave
I try to get collective in this weeks Pantheon... just have to find a group who is able to do it 🙈
Personally yeah they did too many nerfs ro justify the buffs balance
24:50 Whatever catalyst that Tessellation has to be something Prismatic related if Quicksilver Storm is anything to go off of, and I bet it’ll be some huge multi-elemental explosion when a Transcendence grenade is consumed like Cross said.
Still need to undo that stupid nerf they did on Young Aham Spine, I miss my tripmine PvE build
Man the Nerfs 😢
They suck. So do the "buffs."
Hi Laurence @@Lorentz_Driver
So basically Outbreak Perfected will be broken (good luck running the mission as a solo player, even on normal difficulty💀), Adept weapons are garbage now, Devs hate ad clear, Hullabaloo, Deconstruction is just a mag reloader perk in the 4th column (be fr, how often are you fighting/damaging constructs in this game?)=garbage, Gjallarhorn will make your fireteam more colorful than the pride flag, nerfing Kinetic weapons in PVE is actually diabolical, 1-2 Punch fusion rifle. Hope every one is ready to main warlock because we love casting spell🧙♂
You can't finish it on normal solo?
I am sorry, but this has to be asked,
How bad are you at this game you have 40 mins to finish it.
@@revolvingzyclon6901 Have you done it on normal solo? Because you wouldn't be saying this if you actually have. A GM is easier than this
@@Efosu33 I have I had like 10-15 min left bud
Is this a challenge. Because i think its a challenge. @@Efosu33
22:55 Okay, but what does Permissibility do on swords? Can we get increases charge rate or free ammo for a moment, similar to Discord?
so what could this mean for all the videos that have been made about which weapons to bring to final shape? that has all changed now right?
There was a time where dmt held a permanent primary position. Havent seen it since it was nerfed. And the legendary versions are trash at best.
Will Lucky Pants Kinetic handcannons still be effective? I currently use Malfeasance most of the time with lucky pants
In final shape there will be a new Strand Handcannon like wardens law, maybe it will have better perks so it could be better than wardens law. Sooo maybe lucky pants will still be effective
Meanwhile, Glaives. I'm surprised Bungie hasn't flat-out removed them from the game yet. I've seen some limited PvP use with them but nothing that would outshine or be preferable to anything else, let alone wasting an exotic slot.
You can also craft the neomuna wave frame with enhanced chain reaction for even stronger effects! But hullabaloo is too fun to say
Cerberus +1 is gonna be meta in PvP
I already knew this year's ago. It's always been good. Just requires an entirely new playstyle
@@Aztesticals I have 10k kills on Cerberus +1
Don't like the change.
Those alt fire shots could really tear up a team when everything went right.
How does this benefit it pve is the real question?
Give the damn thing one for all already..
@naiveveg8447 it does 40% more damage in Alt Fire, so it will be busted kill clip bc less spread and more damage
I stoked it’s been my favourite exotic since it dropped
What's the odds Bungie is sunsetting optional weapon mods only to reintroduce it to us later and make us grind for them. Or even weapons that accept the new damage mods.
I think a interesting change to truth would be that it weakens Targets and target that get hit by it are revealed with the true sight effect for the whole team 17:52
I love the necrochasm buff but why not make is take advantage of substisence by fully reloading the mag instead of reload speed
While we are getting some pretty serious nerfs (and some of them hurt me on a personal level), I'm intrigued to see how some of those newly buffed exotics will perform... Colony especially seems to be getting some pretty insane ad-clear potential, so I look forward to it, and that Eriana's Vow buff is looking pretty juicy for obvious reasons. Also, with the changes coming to pulse rifles, I'm very excited to see how something like Outbreak Perfected, or even Bad Juju (I love how that gun looks ok) will perform!
Chase the ever shifting meta! No don't look at the story or state of the game, forget the lack of content, just keep focusing on our forced changes to the sodding meta.
@@kurtisdeakinwomp womp
You’ll use colony once, realise it does the same thing as a volt shot indebted kindness and shard it again.
"Nooooooooo.... Someone is happy and enjoying the changes we cant have that!!!" Is what that guy sounds like. Quit the game if you dont enjoy it. I think its in pretty nice state right now after lightfall slog of seasons, and the needs (except for lament) are justified.
@@kurtisdeakinman, allow yourself to enjoy stuff. I feel like some people just force themselves to hate something, which in turn reduces any other fun they would’ve had to almost 0. Of course there are issues with the game, and you are right to hold concerns about those things, it’s important to! But this dude was literally just expressing excitement for some upcoming changes that they like, you don’t need to be spreading your destiny doomsday-ism to everyone and everything
Another Div nerf right in time for the upcoming TFS raid, that's interesting, I feel like that's a hint that there's gonna be an encounter with a fast-moving boss like Rhulk. Surely they realized in playtesting that even in its current nerfed state, Div can still trivialize those types of bosses lol.
Div pre-nerf didn‘t trivialize anything in Vow day 1
People cry too much about the good tools they have and once they get those tools nerfed they start crying that the game is unplayable and/or too hard... They just can't see beyond their own noses is all.
Div nerf does literally nothing. It takes 9 shots to get the cage up currently. It will now take 16 shots. The gun shoots at 1000rpm. That's like a 0.4 second difference.
What is the sidearm you are using in the onslaugh kills?
at 5:50 the reason kinect’s SHOULD do more boss damage is because you can’t match surges with your heavy. It’s always more efficient to go with a matching GL or fusion
Why we nerfing div its like used in 10% of content, also I like my spec mods IMO
No nerf to conditional in pvp after all this time blows my mind. Enough is Enough
Conditional is fucking unreal. Every twab where it isn't nerfed takes a year off my life, and I don't think I'll make it out my 20s
Crucible will suck regardless.
Any change they make to it will gut it in PVE.
Just remove Crucible so the sandbox can actually be fun, enough is enough.
@@nullandvoid7524just because you suck at PvP doesn’t mean it needs to be removed. People still enjoy Crucible whether you like it or not. Destiny doesn’t survive without PvP
I don't touch crucible for obvious reasons but I do hear that it's one of the only things keeping wells and bubbles in check from dominating so a nerf would probably make things worse.
They should just nerf the shotguns handling, then it can be felt I pvp, not so in pve
WOW super excited to try the buff to Erianas vow
Just gotten my copy of collective obligation from the Pantheon this week. Can't wait to build around it in TFS