Gunboat Meta - I-185 (M82)
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Fuel: 20 minutes
Ammo: Tracers
Convergence: 600 meters
Vertical Targeting: No
Crew: maxed Pilot skills( Lvl 75) + expert
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it feels like you're shooting .30 cals that pilot snipe everytime, but then again Defyn is the type of guy to win a head on with a Kar 98
(3) F-82’s with gun pods -vs- Defyn with a Po-2 and a slingshot
-Defyn Wins-
What does that even mean
@@logang1470I’m trying to decypher the code. I will report back when I find out what it means
@@logang1470A kar 98 is a German Rifle that has an absolute SHIT fire rate.
Tracer belt on that cannon hit the hardest because its made up of one round and that is explosive so its very consistent
shvaks absolutely slap but you need to have three to 1 tap, or get a solid barrage on 2/1 ShVAK barrels. The Hispano gave me much better results with the Realshitter fix
Beein flying the yak3 with one shvak. All tracers and im surprised of the one shot potential it has. As far as u land u pretty much a kill secured
@@kingghidorah8106 what belts do you use on hispanos? I used ground belts b4 real shatter changed but I haven't really used them since
@@ericmenk5391 i use stealth, they're the best instead of ground targets
@@kingghidorah8106 So you’re telling me hisparkos aren’t sparking??
I-185 is such a good energy fighter, that climb rate at low altitude is pretty good.
1:18 Typical XP-50 pilot
Speaking of XP50s, how do you deal with them especially if theyre flown by someone competent? Half the time when I climb in my Ruskie fighters, I end up against a horde of XP50s and either I have to dive away from them to fight low-mid alts or I just pray that their pilot is an idiot and overshoots like crazy...
if you’re at mid height(like 2-3km) then when it starts to dive into you - just dive as well(soviet props almost don’t suffer compression, yaks don’t suffer it at all) and when you see xp-50 is above 550kmh(look at your speed and compare if it faster etc, well you know) then just turn up and start getting back altitude(xp-50 won’t catch you and will kinda overshoot and will do a giant loop to get back to the sky cause it accelerates like jet but once it is over 550kmh - it can’t turn at all and just flies straight) so he will have to set throttle to 0%, and if you did everything correctly - you will be higher or at pretty same altitude. And once it lost its alt advantage it cant do anything cause it bleeds its energy in turns like deltas and has 0 low speed manoeuvrability.
If you’re on the deck on soviet plane - if you’re not on the yak - you will be dead sooner or later. On yak just try not to lose much energy and stay over 400 due to yaks low alt acceleration that’s very easy. When you’re over 450 - climb, then defend, then get speed to 450 then climb etc. xp-50s engines work badly while yaks engine shines at low altitude and very soon you will be at the same altitude, but do not climb over 2.5-3k on yaks(exceptions are bk and 3u). Actually for soviet planes xp-50s are always free food or at least not a threat as well as for German ones, it is good only against very slow targets like zeroes and spitfires or targets which can’t manoeuvre well like bombers and US planes
@@panzerwafflez7228and I actually don’t know who enjoys xp-50s gameplay, that’s similar to starfighters gameplay, you can be untouchable but at the same time you can’t do much or can’t do anything at all against competent players
@@user-jy6cn3jy8g Soviet props don't suffer compression...me in my La5s and Migs: "Are you sure about that?"
@@panzerwafflez7228 I said almost, try to fly on p-47 or something then you will know what the real compression is
Love this plane, Defyn! Polikarpov would have had a war-winner (a plane equal/superior to the La-5... *but 9 months earlier* ) if it wasn't for his string of bad luck (engine problems; production problems, and a crash that killed a Kremlin-favored test pilot, oooooh).
NGL it doesn't sound like a war winning plane if it has engine problems, production problems, and killed a pilot. It's like saying Hitler would have a war winning tank in the Mous he didn't hit a streak of bad luck with its engine problems and manufacturing problems.
@@cookiecraze1310 A legit reply, but qualified by the facts that some of the problems were quickly overcome (the engine swap--M71(tenetive success) for M93(?); then M82 for for M71. Manufacture trouble was caused the general movement of aircraft plants to the Urals, and would have been sorted within 3 mo. or so. They sent a couple flights worth to test in frontline squadrons and pilots praised the climb (better than La5); speed (equal to 109F), and firepower (a buzzsaw!). La was still in testing at the time, so I-185 looked like it had a real chance...
The true enemy of the plane was the fact that Lavotchkin & Yakovlev were personally pushing hard for their planes....and Yakovlev was a Stalin favorite. Situation was not helped by the death of the famous test pilot. Policarpov had one last chance to push for the plane, but he was cut short by a fatal illness (for real!) in early '43. A sad "what-if" of Eastern Front air combat.
Not an entirely accurate representation of the history of the aircraft. Sure, you said it accurately but you didn't give any critical context. Just for the record I will give the context.
The original I-185 first flew in Jan of 41 with an M-81 engine which was insufficient but it was the best engine available at the time. It was decided to wait for a better engine. When it flew with the M-82 it was good but not great. This was a few months later. Another was built with the M-71 engine and that one was faster than anything the Germans or Soviets had at the time. This was around May of 41. The issue was that the German advance was getting close to Polikarpov's design bureau in June 41 so the Soviets moved everything. It took over 6 months to move everything out to a new location and flight testing didn't resume until early 42. While it was recommended for immediate production it didn't enter acceptance trials until November of 42. However when the aircraft got to the acceptance trials the engine needed to be replaced because Soviet engines were not designed to last long. The engine change didn't happen until Jan. 26 of 43. Jan 27 was the first test flight in the acceptance trials and the engine died during causing the aircraft to crash. Flight tests continued with other airframes until another crashed April 5th.
At this point it was decided to stop. At this point in time the La-5 was already in service (it's existence directly owed to the I-185 as the I-185 got Lavochkin to put the M-82 into the LaGG-3 creating the La-5) and had comparable performance versions (La-5FN) to what the I-185 was capable of in production making the I-185 redundant. Another reason given is that the I-185 required more duralumin to build, a la metal good for aircraft structure, than the La-5 and the Soviets had to be very sparing of it's use hence why the La-5 and Yaks had a large percentage of them made of wood. Something else that happened was that Stalin and Yakovlev talked about upcoming fighter designs in 43. Yakovlev didn't think that production versions of the I-185 would have been capable of what the prototypes were delivering. All of this combined led to the cancellation of the I-185.
At the point of it's cancellation the I-185 wasn't as great a performer as it had been 2 years earlier compared to what was available. The La-5FN had just been put into production and was arguably the better plane. In early 41 when it did first fly the La-5 was still in the LaGG-3 part of it's lifespan and early Yaks, sub 2.7 versions in game, were the best that the Soviets had. The issue is that the aircraft was delayed a year and a half from first test flights to it's acceptance trials and the I-185 went nowhere because of it. A lack of updates to the design also prevented it from staying relevant as time progressed. Sure, Polikarpov continued to mess with the design after it's cancellation leading to the I-187 and I-188 but they went nowhere after Polikarpov died in July 44.
@@rainsilentwho readin allat
@@drytishuuz I did, and he makes a good point. I can confirm everything he's delineated as being accurate to the situation obtaining in the field at the time. Perhaps you should engage in a bit of reading yourself, if only to correct your embarrassingly pitiful grammar and punctuation.
1:46 did not expect that lmao
The RealShatter fix made the Shvaks one of the best prop cannons instead of one of the worst like it was for almost forever.
I actually spaded the I-185 M-82 a few days ago, felt very nice, i just need to get my aiming sorted
Aim comes with time.
You can also run a custom mission with a bunch of AI planes to practice on
I was not ready for the uncle joke lmao
always be
It’s Defyn, he’s always gonna say something out of pocket
you werent ready for the uncle either
@@selectionn except I was
@@illumina4399 guy has something hidden
Definitely one of my favourite planes. It does what it does very well, fast, hits hard, climbs well, doesn't overheat too easily and at a rather fun BR bracket for both versions.
It reminds me a bit of the French S.O. 8000 Narval.
Except the I-185 seems to be able to move a bit more.
I am planning to use the French S.O. 8000 Narval in air sim a bit and see if it can shine there even for a beginner like me.
The guns, the roll rate, the not so great turn rate, and the dive speed gives it a similar playstyle to Fw 190s...and as someone who played Fw 190s so much that it's playstyle was hard coded into my brain, I tried it and it flew and performed like a charm ❤
The latest Real Shatter update was fantastic in making less maneuverable aircraft like the I-185 into more of a viable option.
I suppose for the average Joe, the game may evolve into a "Gunboat meta", but I think for seasoned pilots that plane flight performance is still key.
I played a few matches with these some days ago and felt the engine was monstrous
In that case u should play the M-71, it has over 2000hp, the climb is kind of ridiculous, at basically no cost to manoeuvrability
Alternative title: Braindead climb and click
Hi defyn! I was wondering if you can make some videos where you had a great game and still ended up dying and commented on why you died and gave some inputs on defensive mistakes… great videos!!! :D
Am really more of a ground battle guy but when i feel bored i play air rb with this thing and its hella fun but i think i find the shVAK cannons a little bit unreliable sometimes 1shots and others time no but great plane to bully bombers. Really happy seeing a video pop up about this beast really underrated. ❤
Where do you find these paid actors? I want to hire them. Seriously though, nice video :3
I unlocked this thing and after spading it, I got its Talisman from a trophy chest. Since then he is my main grinder for the siviet plane line.
I will only replace it if I get a Talisman for a better soviet plane at a higher BR or rank.
this is the best soviet prop fighter so far, i use it even at 6.0 and it stil performs very well
That’s kind of a stretch tbh
With more and more people joining only for top tier jets (and/or cas for ground rb) most of the people in prop games are not there to play props anymore but only to grind, the average skill level has took a massive dive in the last 2 years.
Nowadays finding a decently skilled player outside of top tier is rare.
And with more modern and “cool” vehicles (such as the F-15) being added more and more people will join the game to play that instead of spitfires and bf109, the skill level will decrease even further and the few skilled players will either move to top tier or quit.
Certainly stuff such as airfield AA, ticket drain, 25min matches etc. all have had an impact, but (at least the first two things alone) before were not enough to make props not very interesting anymore
People saying the shvaks are bad are crazy, shvaks might just be the best cannons in the game right now. I honestly think the MG151's need a buff, it doesn't seem the realshatter patch made them hit much harder, where as with the other cannons like shvaks it's made a huge difference and they just annihilate anything they touch. In comparison to other cannons after the realshatter patch MG151's feel underwhelming to me.
They were crap before.
realshatter buff did nothing to the mg151. They actually does decent damage. But only with the HEI (minengechoss) round. You get 4/6 of those in the air belt. The 2 other are practice round. So the gun will alternate between one shot and hit.
Furthermore, every type round have different muzzle velocity and drop so they do not hit together but at position. Which make them even less reliable.
And they have the worse damage against ground target. So killing pillboxes is near impossible, compared with the hispanos whom only takes 30-60 round to destroy 1.
Lastly they have the worst ballistic out of all 20mm. Slow muzzle velocity, high drop, high spread. It always had worse ballistic than the other 20mm, but the ballistic nerf slapped the 151 pretty hard.
To fix the 151. Gives it better ballistic. It should have the worst( mineshell does spread more than traditional round) but not by a lot. Add a full mineshell belt. It would make the gun extremely reliable. And make all round type have the same ballistic.
So it that it would be harder to aim than other guns, but hit harder.
1:45 You're welcome.
I185 is such a great little plane teaches you how to use the la line
Very satisfying video defyn!
“I don’t like Shavaks”
Sounds like someone chose the wrong tree.
Shvaks have been treating me really well after the realshatter fix, seeing as the tracer belts are fragmentation rounds.
Bro I’m using the i225 and it’s just unbelievable. I went from 2 kills and being near dry on ammo to 3-5 kills with atleast 200 rounds to spare these things SLAAAP!
i love gunboats and funny looking planes the cac boomer and the i 185
Aesthetics wise its my favorite USSR plane, love it.
"Like your uncle did". Bahaha! Not sure if I like the game play or the commentary better. 😂
1:47 Bruh went out of context
Thanks
Them folks that were complaining that ShVaks weren't strong enough 100% were not using the correct belt then. I know they delete many many enemy planes when I use them.
holy crap the flap ripping at 5:16 made me jump lol
Meanwhile when I use it it can’t turn, can’t retain energy, can barely climb(even after looking up sheets of how to climb with specific vehicles), does no damage, ect ect💀
I fly this one a lot, it's really good fun! :)
I always loved this plane but kept reading about how so many people hated it. Never understood it. I'm glad at least Defyn doesn't think it's absolute crap.
Basically defyns opinion is the only one I trust on the internet, Adam and jengar aswell, the I-185 is good, it's a bit fockewulfish
That’s because Shavaks only recently got good. So good they’re one of the best if not the best armament for the BR.
They used to be trash like the hit-spanos
^ Combine that with the fact that it can't turn and most players love to get into turn fights no matter what they are flying and you get the general hate for it.
Defyn id love to see you play the Prem American Ki-61 for its broken matchmaking and the Ho-103s
1:46 LMFAO!
6:40 Happening most of the games now, bombers just go afk or camp and is a brainpain to dealt with
My personal experience with this plane is im always against players at your skill lvl or better (~~and obviously against third party program users~~), the climb is not as good as advertised and while the guns are really good, I personally feel the plane seems to lose its tail (and its ALWAYS the tail) to any 7.7+ that connects with it for whatever reason. I am NOT a medium to high skill player and I almost exclusively grind planes for anti-plane use and CAS for ground RB (the actual air RB)
try out the yak9U that thing is absolutely insane at its br, its a hidden gem for sure. im having around 3-6 kills per game in it, been an old favourite for me
Absolutely, Yak-9U is great. Seems to be fast enough to catch players climbing AFK - once started a match with 3 kills because no one was paying attention
@@PineCone227_ yeah and to top it all off, it has so much more power and stalling capabilities, that. you can basically go vertical and energy fight most if not any fighter at your tier and a bit above, the amount of times i've cought the spit mk9 out, while out climbing him and just energy trapping him is insane.
@@Marco-cg7fb The only plane I remember having "trouble" with in the 9U were P-47's, as if they played smart they'd just regularly outrun me and not let themselves get caught. Was quite annoying as I basically had to wait for them to come to me and couldn't freely dictate the engagement.
defyn motoboats someone circa 2023
then he heals them and sends them back to the hangar I mean home
The stealth rounds easily rip bombers/fighters wings off or snipe the pilot. I love the plane
This was my choice over any Yak or Lavochkin. This can actually dive instead of ripping its wings and has a normal amount of ammo.
Man watching you play RB with 20 ping is sooooo different to my experience. I have to lead way more and start shooting in headons WAY earlier etc. Damn being an aussie with no servers near us.
The last clip of AF AA striking his plane XD
What? The AA didn't hit him, he turned his wingtip smoke on.
I really like both the I-185s, they're not broken OP but most players are too shit to take advantage of its weaknesses
My fav planie together with m71
Just got this unlocked. I will give it a try today
I much prefer the M71 version. That engine is so OP. True rocket ship to bully the XP50s with.
Same , plus 4.3 is still a pretty good BR
shvaks go crazy
i dont know why but the flap break jumpscared me
I have recently been getting killed by these things recently because they jump out and have little engine sound, so I decided to go back and play them as I skipped them due to how shit they were years ago.
Now? The I-185's are insanely good. I've been getting snipes from over 1km, you climb well and the energy fighting is pretty good due to the engine.
This thing is NOT an energy fighter. Its a turn fighter
You get the drop on some unsuspecting noob in a p51 or some shit, he tries to turn with you because thats the only thing he knows and you instantly get a kill
@@caralho5237it’s not turn fighter. Equally skilled player can easily outmaneuver I-185 on pretty much anything except fw 190.
Interesting that tracers apparently hit the hardest is that just for those guns or other guns as well?
I used to use ground target belts on Shvaks, but now I use tracers with full FI-Ts
I used to use Default because both AP and HE was good depending on the situation. Now I just run Tracers like everyone else, since HE disintegrates planes like 30mm cannnons 😌
People have said the cannons suck? Ever since the update to Realshatter I've seen massive success with these planes. La-5... the 2.7 I-16... yea... and I suck at the game. I very prominently remember railing another fighter with god knows how many rounds from my La-5 before the fix and that dude was STILL flying. Guy was leaking fluids everywhere but he was about to get back to base before a 109 came down and finally killed him. Guy apologized for a possible ks but I told him no problem cuz my guns were being ass. Since the fix I've found myself consistently getting the kill with the first shot or two that hits compared to before as long as I can hit it obviously. If it isn't a kill immediately it does a level of damage that's absolutely crippling to whoever took it to the extent they aren't flying anymore. You're worse than me at this game if you say these things don't work... to say the least you are doing something very wrong. I'll add insult to injury: I play on console to :)
I feel like this plane is comparable to the Typhoon and 190.
I always thought it flew a bit like a 190
Saw a guy going 3 and 0 in sim against 9.7-10.7 jets in this plane.
My favorite plane to do the event.. especially 4.3 i-185 could intercept wyvern before they could arrive to bomb..
I've been abusing the BI to grind the event and I can say ShVAKS are amazing now
Attempt 11 of asking defyn to play the soviet p63a-5
Wait is this your actual 11th attempt
@@Tooslwyea replied every vid from 11 vids ago. 11 isn’t too far but I’ll keep going till there’s a vid on this plane
He made a video on the regular p63a-5 which is exactly the same a few months ago so why would he make another
@@winner3or_loser910 literally do anything else with your life, this shit is fucking pathetic
@@winner3or_loser910 cool
Personally, I like the shvaks, most planes at low tier carrying them just don't have many ammo.
finally some props video!
Second favorite to F1G or F5C, idk it's good.
the real shatter changes made the Russian guns basically useless at low to mid brs, now they hit harder than Mike Tyson after 20 cans of redbull
this plane is an actual shotgun
Ngl i just watch your videos to improve my own gameplay
Maybe play the P-38E? I killed an I-185 in it earlier today (the fool went into the vertical fight, when i had much much more speed and energy, instead of the horizontal fight, where the P-38 is awful), and this vid reminded me of it.
A P-38E will beat the I-185 in a horizontal turn all day. With flaps the P-38E can turn with a 109E, albeit briefly. Something neither version of the I-185 can ever hope to match. Thus if the P-38E uses it's flaps it can dance around the I-185 so long as it has the energy to do so. The issue is that flap use eats all of the energy that the P-38E has and the P-38E isn't exactly capable of getting it back quickly.
On the yak's i have been flying, basically since i played them for the first time, with ground belts on the shvaks. Mainly coz they seem to have the most HEF in the belt, anyhow they are rather inconsistent for me. Sometimes they absolutely obliterate enemies in one tap and other times they just dont seem to do damage.
This week in one of my matches i got on the six of someone, think it was a bf 109, and he just would not die
Tracers are the best, the hef is okay but just doesn't chainsaw bits off like the fit does. I don't really understand this because the hef seems to do the same/slightly more damage in protection analysis, but in game the stealth (1/2 hef) does noticeably less than tracers
amazing
Can you play the regular F6F-5 and the griffon spitfire F MK-XIV?
the performance of lower tier russian guns shows that there is most definitely russian bias in the game every time i play russian aircraft its like playing easy mode
My best plane in warthunder it is a killer
Hey defyn, I was wondering...
Do you do the commentary while flying the planes or record it while editing the video? Or is it a mix of both?
Thanks in advance!
Usually it is post commentary, only rarely will you see live commentary from DEFYN
Yak 9-UT request with 23, 37 and 45mm lineup?
crazy how a plane like this sits at 3.7 while the spitfire mk5 is at 5.0...
Gaijin on its way to buff the hell out of a Soviet plane (only 4 of them were made)
@@proofostrich9061 More the player base as a problem than Gaijin favoring a Soviet vehicle.
RIP zero
i flew the m71 a couple of days ago and it feels like a monster. I want a comparison with the sea fury.
i would say the sea fury would win if played correctly
@@user-fd1mc8tb9k sea fury seems to turn a lot better with flaps out and have a better post stall control with actually useful flaps but i185 doesn't feel as wobbly, it's very snappy at most speeds
@@user-fd1mc8tb9kthe M-71 has a lot of options against a sea fury tho
@@kingghidorah8106 i think apart from the turn rate i think the top speed belong to the sea fury
4.3 I-185 has better climb and roll. Sea Fury has better top speed. I don't know about turn. If I was in a dogfight between the two and in the I-185 I would prefer a vertical fight or some kind of one circle fight like a rolling scissors. Emphasize the better climb/energy generation or significantly better roll.
ive been using this plane alot recently and have problems, What should i do when people are above me (german planes especially)
The guns are better now because they buffed 20mm+ recently
The only thing I hate about the Shvaks is how slow their velocity is, you have to aim so far in front of fast enemies
Laughs in mk 108's
BUHAHAHAHAHAA!! 800m/s is slow? Mg151 has 785-710m/s, Type II has 750-720m/s, Ho-5 740-702m/s
Only americans AN/M2 and Hispanos beats it, but since 'mericans do not knew whats good for them and mostly used 0.5 cal, it's mostly brits with their sparkpanos that has greater velocity
An/m2 is just the American version of hispanos anyways
Defyn, can you try the American P-43A-1, looks like an early Thunderbolt but without the fun CAS ordenance. (Dunno why it is an Exclusive for its own nation but free in the Chinese TT, should be the other way around. )
The P-43 is in fact where the Thunderbolt came from. The P-47 was the P-43 built around a turbocharged R-2800 engine. The airframe was simply enlarged to be able to take the R-2800 and turbocharger. As for why the P-43 is a premium in the US tree but in the Chinese tech tree? The P-43 was tested by the US but not accepted into US service but was bought by the Chinese as the Chinese needed anything they could get.
Could you make a video with the Hurricane?
Its a monster
could you please fly the c205 serie III? Day 38
Can make vinyl stickers for you with that logo if you wish to merch it. US Veteran owned and operated
Hey Defyn, do you ever plan on covering the F-100 again? I don't know if it has changed since the last time you flew it, but the match maker has changed quite a bit. I just unlocked it and basically every match is an uptier against all aspect missiles, Mig-19s, and the very rare radar missile. I'm kind of lost on how I am supposed to approach it or if it's just one of those planes that is completely fucked by compression.
You gave yourself the answer already. The F100 wasn't great when it came out and today it is practically worthless. It got power crept and compressed so hard you can't use it, at all
yak 1b best 3.0 in the game 10000%
tied with the bf109e7 and p39n0 from alex
It's gr8, but ki-44-II otsu is better
@@Fuzeha not a 3.0 the good variant is 3.7
@@alterego2421 The 3.0 one has, near as makes no difference, the same performance as the 3.7 one but only half of the ammo, due to having half the guns, for it's 12.7s. The Ki-44-II is at worst a 4.0 BR plane performance wise. The 3.0 Ki-44-II is the best 3.0 plane at the moment by simple virtue of the fact that it is a 4.0 plane down at 3.0.
@@rainsilent still got no chance vs p39 p39 can run circles
The la5 at 3.0 is kind of the same
Most broken plane in the game. They should give it some nukes and a plasma cannon so it fits to all the other russian planes with fantasy characteristics.
Bloody annoying in my Wyvern when I’m trying to grind the event out I must say
Although I got a four kill game plus a base and some ground targets and it would have been more if a BV-238 hadn’t stayed at his airfield and a P-38 hadn’t hidden in the stratosphere
The I-185 doesn't hard counter the Wyvern as the Wyvern is still around 30mph faster below 2km but it does force Wyvern players to play more passively. They are arguably the most difficult plane for a Wyvern being flown as a fighter to deal with.
Defyn, do you enjoy flying props or jets more?
For me it's one of the more comfortable plane at that BR range, definitely one I'd suggest for newer players. Or shittier ones, like myself.
Defyn, please fly the P40e-1 and the LA5F. Attempt #1
Can you show us your graphic settings (game and nvidia if available)
Will you be making a 'what premium to buy' list for the upcoming sale?
Yes
La-200 video when
be a gigachad and play the yak-9t
would you ever consider playing the mystere IVA?
Considering B18B's name roughly translates to KILLEROTRON/KILLAHTRON he's probably polish 12 year old so yeah, no englando 💀 .
nice game