How To Stop Using Opioids Successfully - Step By Step Tutorial
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- This video shows how you can stop using opioids without having unbearable withdrawal symptoms. Using what I call the "Step-Down Technique" I show you how to slowly reduce the dose of opioids over an extended period of time, which results in the withdrawal symptoms being all but unnoticeable.
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I took 8 oxy 30 mg everyday for 7 years and started cutting 1 pill from my daily every month and walked off easy from that method it took 8 months but it took 7 years to form that habit so i look at it like 8 months is not bad at all. Godspeed to whoever is coming off these cause they are so addicting but if u want to come off u can but you have to want to thats the KEY
Facts
True!!
1 pill? Idk man.... I'm not trying to call ir bluff.... I don't know how you metabolize or your life style.... but for me, My OPINION.... that seems a bit ridiculous, and over doing it.... cutting maybe 1/4 of a pil into 4 pieces.... and cutting 1 of those pieces out, and taking the rest, and each week, take ONE of those pieces out, and obviously use those pieces towards the end, thats how you do it... you don't just stop one whole pill. Ive done this from 2008-2018. I've lost my children, my soul mate from MIDDLE SCHOOL, and my business..... and to this day it's severely mentally destroyed me, but atkeast I'm on methadone and can go thru my days without feeling like I'm dying.... or destroying my life or others around me. I still miss my kids so much....
@@TheTManShow you must not understand his comment or commitment
How are you doing as of now .. how long sober
I pray everyone going thru this heals god bless everyone 😢❤
6:54 absolute FACTS. Probably the most important part of it all.
You have to TRULY want to stop and be so confident that nothing will get in your way to ensure you do so… took me a while to get there but once i was i noticed a huge difference. Now im about 2.5 yrs clean 🔥 🙏🏻
Wow, how long did it take to feel normal and have energy back?
With God u will never fail Amen
I used your method and in 3 weeks I will be completely free of opiates. It went very well overall. I’m so grateful for you. You’re my angel 🙏🏻❤️
Update - I decided to jump off early as I was forgetting my doses once I was at 1.25mg twice a day. I’m completely finished now. I highly recommend this taper method, if you follow it exactly you will be successful
@@ALT-vz3jn what was your starting dose to begin weaning off?
@@ALT-vz3jn and how were the withdrawals?
We can do it guys 🎉
I used methodon after long heroine ////onlу 1 inec/( 2 mаx)уou good foreve
I need opiates for Chronic Pain. But if they decide I need to come off them, I have no say. I have a life with opiates, without them am bed bound, unable to function.There are no safe substitutes for opiates, suboxone is destroying teeth enamel and a court case is looming. Tylenol, ibuprofen do nothing.Before surgery, I tapered myself down, but without telling my doctor so I did it very, very slowly and successfully. But the pain returned, and I needed opiates again. I am not an addict, I get no high. But I am terrified of doctors controlling my use of these life savers.
You might want to RESEARCH, and I advise lots of research on kratom. As it too is habit forming. And some say you can't mix with opiates. There are you tube videos that say high doses of vitamin c helps with withdrawals and other minerals and vitamins.
You need methadone
I’m so frikkin’ happy I found this video. I’d been clean of opiates for eight years but recently fell off the wagon. I have joined Narcotics Anonymous and went head long into detoxing thinking I could get the junk out of my system in a week. BIG MISTAKE! I’ve now increased my dose, not to anything like what I was using before but enough to stop the crushing mental and physical torture. I’m now going to drop down very slowly, I’ve drawn up a calendar and should be clean in about eight weeks. Thank you so much for this.
Courage,Bro,same for me!
HOWS YOUR JOURNEY GOING BROTHER??? ARE YOU OFF NOW???
Will you share your progress?
@@user-mq5nl8fs9r not perfect...I use minimum to support my life.
@@user-mq5nl8fs9r Are you a 0piod user??
For long term chronic opioid use, every four days drop your dose. But only drop a small amount. Use a pill cutter and shave off about 1/8th of the pill. If the drop is too steep, just keep taking the same dose until you feel no withdrawl. Then drop a bit more. If you keep doing this slowly and steadily you can get through this. Make a schedule, stick to it, and get support. Eat well, and when things get too rough, comfort meds such as clonidine, and a muscle relaxer will help you greatly. Loperamide for dhirrhea, and magnesium as well. Valium or Xanax can help but do not take longer than 5 days, save till you really need it. Hot baths, stay hydrated. It can be done, and half the battle is in your mind. If you remember: this is a bad case of the flu with a mental craving, what you tell yourself during this process is crucial. Good luck everyone, blessings to you all and get a support group to help to you.
I take Xanax but it did not help much . and I am off since 3 days .. what do you take for panic and anxiety and insomnia
I wouldn’t recommend Xanax to someone who already had a problem with opioids
Well said m8 ur mental state is defoe da key ave came off methadone 3 I went from 90 mils to 5 mils then stopped .am on week 3 now..altho ave been using every day but tommra it's time to stop all am hoping the meth is out my system soon find out lol u take care good luck my friend peace out vegans peace be with yous all peace
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@@sherenhasan8313 Clonidine.
By far this is the solution to what I am searching in Internet for ages. Thank you
I’m an addict to prescription painkillers codeine my partner also has the same addiction as myself, I have tried to come off them several times because I just want to be myself again I want to be able to get up and go to work feeling good without having to take any painkillers, my partner isn’t ready to stop taking them yet that’s her own words, it makes coming off them extremely difficult for me because they’re always around me 😔 I just want to be back to my old self again
I was addicted to codeine for 5 year's it's one of the weakest opioid and the withdrawals only lasted for 4-5 day's try and convince your partner to do it with you you both be much happier off them
I've been there bro. I had to get away to go through withdrawal. Maybe get a hotel room for five days.
@@johnnytrapantino78if your only sick for 5 days , you were barley gettin high. . My withdrawls peak at 5 -7 days in everytime. Takes at least 3 weeks before i actually start to feel sort of normal.
Stepping down hasn't worked for me. I couldn't stop taking enough to get high.
I switched to soboxen and was able to step that down because it doesn't get me high.
Now I'm off that, and still suffer mild withdrawal. A walk in the park compared to what I've suffered in the past.
I'm going to make it!
What finally got me on track was the advice to keep trying. Even if you fall down (and I have a few times) because each attempt strengthens your resolve to quit.
What a terrible experience this has become.
An absolute bruising brush with complete destruction!
Don't go anywhere near this shit children!! It will destroy anyone!
Stay strong mate...remember when you used to wake up clean...best feeling ever.
@@didzee002 Thanks mate! I will! When I realized that I was a slave, and I was facing a deadly enemy, that's when my strength appeared, and I knew I have to defeat it. And I shall.
Try a low dose of prednisone. No more than 5 mg. 2 x daily. Also alkaline water, which is really easy. All you need to do is squeeze a. Slice of lemon or lime into a tall glass of water. It helps your body to hydrate more efficiently. Keep away from sugar and all inflammatory food.
Thank you all for your advice and kindness.
That alone helps greatly.
I just can't believe anyone would make a career of this shit!
I just wanna be me again I dont take more then prescribed but it's been over 15 years and I'm not myself anymore I hate it I want to taper off but it's really hard
this worked for me -four pills a day is what i needed - i was getting 90 pills from my doctor for ten years. i was getting sick every four hours; then i saw this video and i wrote down my schedule and i swear i went down to one a day.
How you doing now??
So how are you doing now?
Yes please... an update would be awesome!
Hey how's it going ?? Did you ever go bk on?
yes, but only for the fact I enjoy the euphoric feeling; but never get sick. I am a one-a-day -- it truly helps with my COPD, keeps me happy and not anxious. The trick is never take them without having someone to administer them to you -- I forget stuff having senior moments not getting enough oxygen screws with memory. I skip between days.
thanks for asking
I was on heroin for a decade and others in the mix , I tried weaning myself off heroin and I did but after 3 years of still being dope sick , still waking up throwing up shaking , restless leg syndrome. Couldn't gain weight bc when I ate I threw up . I eventually broke down after 3 long years of this I got on methadone. It has been a life savor. Everyone has to get clean on there own way ,when there ready. not when there families are ready .
Have you looked into Suboxone or sublocade? The sublocade shot might change your life for the better if you can adjust to buprenorphine for a bit first.
Methadone was a life saver for real ❤❤❤❤
Can you answer a few questions about methodone for me ?
Shelby eat a dill pickke at linch n one for supper use a medcine cyp n drink that much pickle juice. Stops the cramps n restless legs
I have kicked with Benadryl...still uncomfortable but eased the pain of skin crawls ...chills and helps you sleep. Never more than 4-5 in a 12 he. period. 🖤
How are you feeling now? I'm detoxing from 160-0 of methadone and 8 months in. Please lmk how you are. Love and blessings!
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Oh God! Benadryl makes my crawly skin and RLS soooo much worse!
Just use adderall it will help with withdrawal also if someone is on 30mlg like I was I used oxycodone 10mlg everyday until i lowered my tolerance then I broke it down to 5 mlg and then the last 8 days I used adderall, some people use Kratom, or guarana powder. I done this to myself I had no withdrawals only tired and sensitive skin
This is an excellent site!👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 Very informative& helpful. THANKYOU!
+Leslynn Wheeler Thank you very much for the kind words. Hopefully you or someone you know can have a better 2018 because of the content here.
Yes I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Very good advice. Thanks for the kindness shown here.
Thank you for this video. I has been very helpful to me. Thank you again.
Thank you for this. I am starting this week ! Slow and steady wins the race.
Slow and steady does win the race! How are you doing lately. My max was 160 mg of methadone and now off and 8 months in. I'd love to hear about your journey with these things.
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Did you win the race??
Thank you this looks like a good technique
The less drug I have in my body, the better I feel.
Aaugh😬!!! Lucky you...
I on the other hand I’m the complete opposite. The less drug I have in my body the more sick and miserable I feel🥺😭
@@gil-juniorriseabovebetraya5972 That was a year ago. I was taking 8 to 10 tramadol a day. Now I'm taking 1 a day. I cut one pill in 1/4 pieces.
Do you still take tramadol. I'm a slave to it @@robbiesharp311
You Sir are an intelligent one. You showed the right country at first and did a bingo on the second one as well. You deserve an award. Thank you, I hope you're doing well and sound.
Great video on getting off the prescription drugs ,we need more videos like this to help us get off them, its hard to get off once you are on them it affects your sleep everything, the sad part is your Dr got you accustomed them , you are an unwitting addict thru legal prescribed drugs by your Dr terming you into a return customer
Yes, I am on lots of prescription drugs and now I can’t get off them 😔 I even told my doctor I am addicted but he still didn’t offer to help me off them and it took me a lot to admit that. Now I can’t go 4 hours without taking any or I start feeling ill
@@twinborntogetherforeverfriends I just found this video. I'm ready, would you like to join me? We can do this!
@@twinborntogetherforeverfriendsI know exactly how you feel 💕
@@josiecollins6690 here if you need to talk x
These comments have put the fear of God in me!! I'm home post op and in pain. Taking 1 to 2 - 5 mg oxy as needed. Pain gets pretty bad at night, so I'd like to know I'm safe taking them to get by and be able to sleep. I don't particularly enjoy the feeling the give so that should help. I am however a beer drinker and now I'm on blood thinners and beer is a huge no no!
Im guessing THAT is going to be my battle once I'm healed and feeling better.
I wish you all strength and determination to break free if you are hooked!!
Scary situation for sure!!!
Do you have the dosing chart that you said you would link? I'm starting tomorrow.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO ❤
Week 10 is particularly dangerous because now that your tolerance is so low again, youre now able to get REALLY high with a very little amount, and youre the most likely to abuse and/or over dose at this stage because of that. imo
Thanks for this info bro
Well the weeks will depend on how much a person is taking to start with.
But yeah, after you've decreased to a certain point, IF you aren't really ready to quit, and IF you do relapse, then it's always good to be careful!!!
The majority of ODs happen to people who gave gone without for a few days or weeks and they relapse.
Thanks for all your help for many people...GOD BLESS YOU IN JESUS NAME...
Will this work with extended release opioids like MS Contin? Can MS Contin be broken safely faith a pill cutter?
Important: using a pill cutter, even on a “scored” pill does Not guarantee that the medication is evenly dispersed by half. It is possible that one of the halves has 1/4 of medicine & the other half has 3/4. The Only way you KNOW what you are getting is to have the formulation of the dose you want, in a single pill. Pills manufacturers do not guarantee that half a pill contains half the medication. Manufacturers only guarantee that a single pill contains the amount of medication it was made to contain.
Please- do not try to taper off by cutting pills: instead get reduced dosage pills in the amount you are using to taper. Example: you taper from 1mg x 4/day to begin, get prescriptions for .25mg & .5mg. Begin tapering by taking ( 1 x.5 + 1 x .25) four times a day. ALL those tapering any med, i wish you ALL the Best.
@BIOFEEDBACK hi.,I've,heard of this method. Thankyou for explaining it.
Will this work with slow release morphine?
I've saved up 20000mg which I'm hoping is enough.
Did you ever work out how many mg's over the 17 weeks added up to?
I didn't see the link you said would be in the description. Did I miss it or was it took off?
The most important thing overall on this kind effort from the person or person s devoted time to help US all of making the videos is just that,sharing resources of manner. All our experience of the issue is very very helpful, not everyone have a singular minded reason of choice of similarities of choice as prescribed medicine. I like many here do have disabilities of extreme conditions of having cheaper sources within high quantities of dosing. So I see a lot here with a strong will to do the best knowing the discomfort of most disabilities can be tolerated when health of the mind. body. seems more important to our attention, that alone has helped out so much from a lot here for US all from the SSIDisibilty sector, it jus giving more to add on for myself but overall the subject of our symptoms is very complex so , yeah its a great source here for help.
To end my opioid use one must first eliminate my PAIN.
I feel you. What then? I have a very sensitive digestive system and cannot take NSAIDS. I can't soak in a hot bath all day LOL I guess a doctor well versed in this matter would be a real gem.
@@Cissy2cute I also am effected adversely from NSAIDS. I also have bad reactions to joint injections. AND... Folks should be aware that if you have several joint problems: Joint "trigger pain" injections can last up to 7 days. The doctor using these trigger point injections can only do one joint a a time. These same Doctors will set appointments 2 weeks apart.
Consider if these injections last a week, but appointments are 2 weeks apart AND only one joint can be injected it, how are these trigger point injections ever going to work except in very mild pains? This makes trigger point injections worthless in severe pain patients. The math doesn't add up.
@@terryglenweaver Also, doesn't the body get used to the injected meds? People who have had them have said the second one didn't help as much or lasted as long. Just leave me with my current pain meds and stop treating me like an addict who just wants to get high. When asked, I tell people these meds allow me to function. Without them the pain can get unbearable.
YES! I agree.
Thank you!
June 20th 2023....stating this method now ,500mg tramadol reducing now ....ill update in a few weeks wish me luck
Did you stop? How's it now ?
Still addicted sadly 😥
@@finegirl-ko9cx damn. Same here. I'm tired but just can't stop. It's ruined my finances, my relationship everything and now my appearance is getting horrible cause I don't eat when I'm on it as there's no appetite.
Its time you try again.... I was there... M trying again too... We have to go back to life... This is not life bro.... Family... Rain... Sweats.... Etc🏃♂️🏃♀️ are....
@@taishalehmikchrung8232 bruh its hard ..the withdrawals too strong even I use kratom am still sick
I used heroin for 10yrs an bought aload of oxi’s I live in the uk so they are hard to come by took them all in a week an realised the heroin is rubbish an I’ve been clean from all opiates for 6 months now 🥳
AWESOME! Keep truckin' my friend!!
For chronic pain withdrawals is the least of your worries. I say dependence is way better than suffering and no functionality. If you are just getting high you should be severely beaten. You are stopping people who need them for getting the only reliable treatment to help relieve symptoms of pain and promote a normal life again.
I understand ...Quantity or quality of life!!
I’ve had chronic pain for 20+ yrs. You need to watch Dr Gabor Mate on addiction. I have good friends who’s family member and a close friend are addicted. They don’t in any way deserve to be beaten. I watch documentaries on CZcams on the opioid epidemic and get educated. We’ve more than enough violence in our world. You must come from a country or an archaic culture who still condone violence as an answer.
You sound like you need help. No judgement. I am disabled, and in an active flare up body wide, however that has absolutely nothing to do with substance abuse. Pain and being an addict are two entirely different issues one must manage. Trying to shame anyone who claims they don't 'need' pills/substances is a textbook addict move in the form of projection. What are you attempting to contribute to the conversation?
No addict is just getting high. Everyone with severe addiction is numbing pain, usually psychological. Be grateful if you only have physical pain.
Woah, calm down Barbara
Do you have any comments on anything you have seen in this video? I would love to hear suggestions on how to improve this video to make it more helpful and informative. If you have any advice that you think would help others, please let me know about it. Do you have a personal story about opioid addiction you would like to share?
BioFeedBack what about people that in pain. Not looking for high
But help with pain. From car accident.
Jacklye Davies please try to use Kratom, it's saved me
Hey tramadol would help for the first week so they won't feel sick ... if you do a research its amazing for that ...you could build tolerance but if you do it carefully its amazing...
BioFeedBack can I stop herion by coming down with diamorphin
this is a great way to do it if you are in an ideal situation but not many people are gonna be able to do this. unless you have a very good and understanding doctor or you got plenty of money and access to oxycodone this is going to be impossible, plus this would take extreme willpower and the nature of these drugs do not induce willpower so this seems unrealistic to me. it would work if you have a doctor prescribing this to you and reducing your dose weekly, they would also have to be very disciplined and as I said opiates do not promote self-discipline. everyone is looking for an easy out but the best way is cold turkey. if you can get through the first 3 to 4 days without anything then you only have the psychological aspect left to deal with which if you ask any recovered addict they will tell you that is the hardest part.
😢 thank you for this information very helpful ❤ god bless 😊
Now all this was prescribed to me by doctors for something that I didn't even have wrong with me then I get the oops we made a mistake well I'm 61 years old and how am I supposed to live the rest of my life taking maintenance medication waking up at 3 in the morning every morning sicker than all get-out when's this Helga end
I followed this procedure as closely as I could, it does work.
I wish I had of found I this information months earlier.
Are you off?
@@AMPFIELDVISION yes, i went to bupernorphine patches for a few months on a doctors recommendation then took myself off them too, clean now .
@@greeneyedcat2748 so can you outline completely how you did it? How much were you taking when you started the taper, then how much did you taper down to before you went on the patches etc thank you!
@@AMPFIELDVISION i was on 180mg of "targin" daily which is oxycontin in Australia occasionaly mixed with street heroin, i went to 80mg daily in 3 weeks with a taper easily, i then went to a doctor for help who gave me enough oxy to "slowly taper" over a 12 month period, i,m not going to lie i went to 20mg,s -15mg 10 mg-5 in a 17 day brutal self taper/withdrawl, then patches for 1 yr, the last bit is never easy it,s like the shit has a personality that is "soul tied" to you, just walk through that and understand it,s only the "drug" talking to you not who you are at all, try to get some valium or benzos for relief in the final stages becareful not to look to them for full time relief, you,ll have a "post acute withdrawl" which if you get that far you,ll crap on as opposed to the acute withdrawls, hope you,ve got something positive from this, stay strong anthony.
@@greeneyedcat2748 ok thank you. I was wondering how you did it but you put yourself thru the withdrawal phase which this post is hopefully a way to avoid that
Great video. It's gives much positive information and hope. Question? I'm on levorphanol 14 mgs per day. It that a large dose? I use 2 mg pills. Three times a day. I use 2 pills in the morning, 3 in the afternoon, and then 2 again at night. Dosing every 8 hours. Again; is this a strong dose? I heard levorphanol is 11 times stronger then morphine. Is that correct? I wonder if Kratom would be a good alternative?
Jack Robinson God bless you should try to make sure that you start taking it once a day not 2 or 3 time...if you need help let me know we get on contact I will explain to you God bless you...
@manny castro; are you suggesting that I take the levorphanol only once a day? That would mean going from 14 mgs of levorphanol a day to only 4 mgs per day. A drop of 10 mgs per day. So would I take the Kratom along with the levorphanol or wean myself off the levorphanol completely first? How do I contact you to talk about your experience with this? Thanks...
hi im an ex oxy hydro codien morphine haroin addict,,i acually never heared of that name brand before .but for you qustion of is that alot in my opinion if thats a perscribed amount ,then no i use to take 80mg of oxycontin just to get up in the morning and another 10 40mgs the rest of the day combining perks codien etc,yano and if its 10times stronger oxy is te n times stronger, so your 14mg would be like me doing 150mg of morphine, thats not alot to a real addick. i bang a red rocket 200mg at once strait to the blood i been clean 5 yrs methadone tratment 12 yrs on it
,good luck in your recovery
high hopes
Adam has the right idea in here
I’m just doing some research on what I should do. I’m scared when I’ve been on hydrocodone for many years and I am epileptic. Not sure what to do.
I'm in your same boat
HELP ME PLEASE!!!!!! How would your SYSTEM apply to an addiction to Percocet(10/325) taken 4 times per day for almost 20 years?
I suffer withdrawal if I wait more than 9-10 hours between doses............. Can anyone help me? I want to live, but this isn't a life!
Hit me up on my channel and we can talk. I'm going through a 20-year methadone detox. I'm 8 months in and my max was 160mg/day. Please lmk how you are doing...Love and blessings!!!
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Did you get help?
I'm taking sixteen pills a day:7.5-325
Thank you so much! Sure wish I could speak to you live! 🙃
I was 7 days ago now I m weak 🤮 and diarrhea but day by day slowly getting better,did it cold turkey
MY 8TH DAY, ONLY THE SHAKING AND CRAVING, NOTHING ELSE..TRY A GABAPETIN 300 ONE OR TWO A DAY FOR A WEEK,,THEY HELP LOTS
@@jerryswallow I have gaba, ok I will take that thanks God bless
@@Let_me_check333 GREAT MY FRIEND TRY THEM, GREAT FOR SLEEP, 3OOMG OR YOU CANTAKE ANOTHER 90 MINS. AFTER THE ONE, AND CAN DO 900 AND MORE NO MORE THEN 1500MG. DONT USE TOO LONG, A WEEK OR TWO THEN STOP, OK, LET ME KNOW HOW IT WORKS FOR YOU, HELPS ME GET BY 8 BAD DAYS..CHEERS
@@Let_me_check333 PS. ITS GOOD TO HAVE SOMEONE TO TALK WITH EACH DAY WHO HAS BEEN THERE, I WAS READY TO GET BACK ON THE PILL THIS GUY WAS MY GUARDIAN ANGEL...
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@@jerryswallow ok bro 😇 thanks yeah just fucking diarrhea won't stop even I take medicine now it's just 3 or 4 time but still feeling uncomfortable, can't goes work anymore sitting home too long I know it's just a 7 or 8 days but I need enough energy pls tell what should I take for energy.
God bless you.
Easier said than done to drop down. Red kratom relieves withdrawal symptoms even from methadone going cold turkey.
Really red? Why red?
@Hawaii Hustler I'm not sure that's a good idea. Cannabis can and will raise heart rate for many people, induce anxiety and restlessness, maybe even panic. Not exactly what I'd want during withdrawal.
@Hawaii Hustler I didn't look at any reserach. I speak from personal experience, and from general knowledge on cannabis. It's widely known that THC raises heart rate and can induce anxiety and even panic. I'm sure google will spit out plenty of facts about tachycardia and cannabis.
I'm sure plenty of people have used cannabis during withdrawal with positive effects, but I wouldn't risk it personally.
I came off of 100mg of Morphine extended relief on Kratom, and now I’m on 10mg of oxycodone that was 30mg originally by using kratom super-meang so far sooo good! I think it’s fucked up how doctors get you hooked. I told my doctor over 30 times I wanted off the medication and he kept telling me know before it got out of hand I decided to stop and get my self off the medication! I pray God help you all God Bless💙
Thomas Troy I’m doing well, Thank you! I am completely off everything now. Thank God💙
Can you help recommend any other less harmful drugs to kill the severe pain that the opioids are being used for in the 1st place.
The opioids are already being used in conjunction with 3 additional painkillers and anti infammitary drugs to help eleviate severe long term chronic pain. The condition is incurable.
Question here is would a dr agree to write a script to do this or tell u no ur cut off! Million dollar question!!!!
MY DOCTOR STARTED THIS STEP DOWN ON ME LAST MONTH -TAKING OXY FOR PAIN 5 YEARS - I WAS AT 20 MILLS A DAY FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS ,THE PAST MONTH I WENT TO 15 MILL A DAY ..TONIGHT I HAVE RUNNY NOSE AND SICK STOMACH WITH VOMIT . AND ALL MONTH INSOMNIA ...TOMORROW I START 12 MILLS A DAY FOR THE MONTH OF JAN . WISH ME LUCK
Great luck!!!! I'm sending you healing vibes!!! 💪✌🙏❤
If you check back to your messages. How did you you do? I take 15mg/day for 8yrs of Oxycodone and I can’t see myself succeeding 😔.
@user-hm6dt8no1r 15mg a day is nothing. Get some Kratom. It will easy . Super easy
Thank you
just wondering, would possibly pushing your doses further and further apart, say you can last 4 hours between doses, could your goal to be going 6 hours between doses and then continue this process till you work your way down to 1 dose a day and then possibly switch to one sub a day and then stepping down to a half then quarter till you dont even notice a difference and like i said before waiting as long as possible in between till your able to kick it all together
If you can do 16 hours on half your dose then do that until yummy can hold 24hr on that dose then decrease again and do 16 hrs until u reach 24hr on that dose n keep doing that until you can reduce to like .02 and then stop
What he said about methadone producing slightly less withdrawal symptoms, isn't true especially initially, and they do last for months.
Indeed, it seems that isn't true. Methadone detox sucks, but there are different ways to customize your tapering process. How are you doing with methadone? 🤔
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This is actually very well put and communicated, but the last weeks around 5 to 7 weeks doses will have to be reduced by 5 to 7%, not 10% as the receptors will need more because of half life and amounts. The last weeks are the hardest
I did his method exactly as described and it worked perfectly, there’s no need to change anything.
@@ALT-vz3jn did you have any RLS?
@@ALT-vz3jn what about paws with your taper? im 3-4 weeks off now and PAWS are kickin
@@supercunthunt7756 most probable reason why you have PAWS is due to your neurotransmitters in the brain need more time. Are you supplementing with the right nutrients (aside from diet..that's not enough/too slow a process)? If not, you 💯% should!
@@ALT-vz3jn You were lucky! But uts going to be different for everyone.
In my experience what the OP says here is more common than your case.
Be grateful! You were "lucky" - at least in that way.
I had been taking 120-MG of Oxycodone for 13 years. I weaned down to 25-MG per day and then Jumped Ship from here. after 5-days the acute withdrawal was over , NO Throwing up only mild flu symptoms ,, little Diareea mild stomach cramps. so getting down to a lower amount and jump ship will make it a lot easier , doing to at 20--25 Mg a day is not the end of the world yes 4- days uncomfortable 5-th day felt much better. Then its the Post Acute feeling depressed low energy is what sucked the most
I have a friend who smokes fentanyl. How does one encourage a smoker to "step down"?
So is oral for h considered smoking vaporized chasing?
Gabbapentin really helps with WD. Will it completely take away WD. No. But it will bring it down from a 10 to a 6. Witch still isnt great but you can still get some stuff done. Try only to take it for about a week or 2 at most, as this med can create some dependency. Of course ask your doctor first. I would say start at 400 mg and see how that much helps. I had to do 800 at a time to see reaults. As a bouns it might help you sleep some too at first. Take care and good luck.
Yes , this is true
I thought Gabbapentin has been banned off the market due to heart attacks from it and other phych issues. Banned in 2021 I believe.
I did it quitesiular,it works ! But stay away from your "FRIENDS "!Thats absolut nessesery.ciao from germanyac colongne ❤
How does one step down if they’re taking extended release opiates?
You have to change from 24 hr to 12 he and short acting
You step down the strength of the long acting until you reach the smallest dose, then ask your Dr to convert to short acting so you can finish your taper.
I cannot explain why I do not experience withdrawal. I have a feeling most doctors would dispute my claim. My own theory is that I have legitimate chronic pain and am not an addict nor have any addictive tendencies. Or I am simply "lucky".
Nina Lee Well the opioids attach to your brain receptors. Maybe you don’t have a brain.
Maybe some of your chronic pain is withdrawal related.
@@janicelmckee I've been in chronic pain since I was 20yrs old. Undiagnosed fibromyalgia and undiagnosed ankylosing spondylitis. I was not taking any prescription drugs or street drugs at that time. It took 18 years to be diagnosed and I still was not on any drugs other than thyroid supplement.
@@avadurant823 i am not trying to be unsympathetic to anyone experiencing withdrawal. I happen to have a genius IQ. I'm just interested in a study of people that don't go through withdrawal to see if their body chemistry is different and if that information can help develop drugs to help alleviate withdrawal.
Nina Lee or you are indenial. The majority of people I know started pain meds for real pain. Keep using the percs you will feel the withdrawals it's the inevitable. Sorry it's a fact.
Has anyone else stopped breathing during sleep at night while coming down? I dose before bed about midnight and have to get up by 630 to use because I wake up gasping for breath. How common is that?
You might consider sleep apnea.
Did you work on this and figure out what it is and how to avoid it?
i use to do it, not shur its coomon in people like me tha would make these daily doses im seeing here be a sart to my day,i was quit bad, but yes i think its your brain waking you up because you have not had enough oxygen to the brain in the blood cuzz opioids snow breathing aloooot when sleeping so its good your brain is not into the deep sleep mode the dr says. mine was not sleep apnia well dont think so dont do it now
have u ever woke up choking on your puke, thats also yourbrain waking you up to get air
Did you ever find a legitimate answer to this ?
My mother has been prescribed Fentanyl patches for 1 year against her will to get her to adapt to being in an old people's home that she hated (matrifen TM Fentanyl 12 micrograms / hour). How can I help my mother get off these patches? Can they be down in size like for pills? Can they remain on the skin for a longer period of time so that their effects taper down slowly?
*Can they be cut down in size. . .
Good grief! Can you switch her to oxy which can be stepped down? Then sue the people that did this to her. That is pure evil. I wish her and you all the luck. Bless you both.
It's so hard to learn to step down on pain capsules 18 mg every 12 hours the 4 hydrocodone 2 4xs a day.i am I legit pain my. Pain Dr . Does not want to talk about this Subject.I am age 66 .I am tired of feeling bad Plus the Awful Constipation. It's awful awful .
Can I use Methadone in conjunction with opioids using this method? I am talking about a "lower" level of addiction to opioids (60mg daily) and want to use 5 - 10mg of Methadone daily in conjunction with 20mg opioids in order to speed the reduction of my reliance on Opioids. The goal will be to be off opioids in 3 weeks and off both within 5 weeks. Bottom line question -- can I use Methadone in conjunction with opioids (within these levels) safely? Starting point 20mg opioids, 10 mg Methadone.
crookerdog the old timers say never take methadone for more than 7 days they were right
Each drug needs to be used ... "ALONE". Because they have a sort of ... "BLOCKING TRAIT". Get me? methadone is an EXTREMELY powerful DRUG !! HELL to get off! NO SLEEPING, dude . NONE ! The trick: DONT EVENTRY TO SLEEP! Just stay up. You CAN NOT FIGHT IT, man !! It will ONLY GET YOU CRAZY .
no point the oxy wont do anything once you are taking methadone it blocks the opiod receptors and the oxy is not doiung anything in another former addickts opinion
Can you use this for suboxone?
what happens if you are in chronic pain due to needing knee replacements and you are not a canidate and a doctor screwed you up with spine surgery and have disc disease and joint disease plus nerve disease
Surgery is risky. I have 2 compression fractures in my lower back but i can get by on #60 Ct. 10 mg. Norco per month and anti-inflammatories
It's possible you'll be on high dose analgesics for life.
@@tyekennethlawson5002Nah, no doctor prescribes anymore 😢
CZcams algos doing wonders for me lately since i started my taper from heroin after seeing two doctors
This technique is the best
Perfect
Without withdrawal
Slowly slowly cut the dosage as we slowly started to raise
Simple
Perfectionism
Can I get a printable transcript?
Good luck to everyone trying this technique. The issue I see here is the varying quality of your supply. Even just the psychological aspect of not being sure the fear you have this week is the same as last week is enough to make u trick urself into smoking it up
I was clean 3 months. I relapsed again. But thank godI can still catch my self without any real withdrawal. I’m just fighting now to get clean again. Idk how I endee back here. I can never get over 3 months smh.
U can quit forever,instead of going 3 months try and go 4,it gets easier with time,gotta let your thought process reboot.goodluck
I take 6 60mg of morphine a day... for my Sickle Cell.... so how would I break that down.... these are 12 hr pain meds....
I'm in the same boat sir and you would just do the same thing for the time man take less over longer periods of time but the principle is the same.
Thats how some1 i knew did it thru blind dosing at the clinic. To his suprise he was done n shocked n still clean after 5 yrs. He probably ran 30 yrs first on n off. If u go to jail u get nothing.
I want to but I have chronic pain making them my only relief
"Its just a matter or following the dosage schedule, week by week" - do you happen to have a tutorial video on how to just?
3 to 7 days doesn't matter if you've used for 20 years 3 to 7 days It's out your system. Yea you might feel depressed for awhile after but you won't feel sick for months that's for sure
Unfortunately that's untrue.
The fastest opioid to withdraw from is either prescription pills or Heroin.
Either one of those will take 7- 21 days on average. Longer for some but only very rarely less than that.
(***Neither one of those are really available anymore. Fentanyl has replaced H on the street and docs have forced millions of patients to seek illegal stuff too. )
Fentanyl takes 2 to 3 wks.
Subutex/Suboxone takes 21-35days or more.
Methadone can take anywhere from 6 wks to 18 months.
And then you have to remember that everyone is different.
It took me 5 months to be able to sleep more than a few minutes here and there... to stop kicking my legs constantly... to stop vomiting and diarrhea. To stop sweating, freezing, and aching...
And that was just Oxycontin back in 2007-2008.
And then again in 2011.
I've come off everything at least once and I assure you that NEVER ONCE was I "over withdrawals" in 7 days.
Weeks to months.
You don't know what you are talking about
Do more research buddy ur way off
Then what do you do with the terrible, extricating pain???? Please share!
Peter Me : smoke weed take Kratom , get body healthy.... opiates will only make you worse in long run it strips you of your soul . Cause sooo much stomach problems
does this method cause withdrawal the whole time because your taking less?
No
No one told me to step down anything they just told me pull up your patches stop taking your morphine and start taking these pills I was so sick I thought for sure I was going to die between the seizures the bugs crawling all over the walls on my arms I am still at 76 and a half months sick at 32 mg of buprenorphine if I stop taking the buprenorphine will I be all right I'll have to step down I'm sure but everytime I try I get so sick
I feel like you are experiencing some akathisia. That restlessness & agitation you feel coming off any drug with an associated “withdrawal” or “discontinuation syndrome” is called “withdrawal akathisia”. No one tells you that is a sign of neurotoxicity occurring or having already occurred. I was injured by Methadone and later stopping Klonopin. Find Jill Nickens at the Akathisia Alliance for Better Education and hear about the chronic akathisia she got stopping the opiates Methadone and later Buprenorphine. Jill is still injured 15 years later. Many people carry a lower level of akathisia and mistake it for “anxiety”. Antidepressant injury and antidepressant tapering injuries are and even bigger offender of akathisia. The best thing is to slowly taper all akathisia causing meds. Understand opiates both mask and aggravate akathisia. Find Dr. Russell Copeland’s article Naloxone Rebound Akathisia: It could turn on you, to understand a little about opiate withdrawal akathisia. It turns out Narcan is inducing opiate withdrawal akathisia at light speed and neurologically injuring patients in efforts to save them. If you are still feeling sick on Buprenorphine, I am willing to bet the cold switch injured you.
10% every week is much too fast, nobody has to suffer. Go down in 5 mg steps. Wait a few weeks until you are comfortable and down another 5mg. Might take a year, but you won't quit in the process because you feel like shit.
Yup the withdrawal affects everything you do sleep etc
By the way I didn't get to step down I stopped all at once I was sick for a month straight even with a beef and orphan and the bowel medicine every morning I'm still up at 3 in the morning taking my pills trying to get better hoping for the best going through an hour being sick when will this nightmare end maybe never I'm 61 years old for Christ's sake what am I going to do
I am going through withdrawal from years of methadone for chronic pain. Any help
For this issue while withdrawing?
Patsydell kratom
@ Patsydell: HEY! wake up girl. SO how's it going? Did you try any Kratom? I'm here reading all about it cause I don't want to go thru hell and withdraw from levorphanol.
Try kratom yeah bud, good luck
What country do you live in ? I have never herd of doctors giving methadone for chronic pain.
robert ward you haven't lived bruh!
Has anyone tried this with methadone?
Months ago i tried to do a similar process, but I think it needs more time than a week to get used to the new dose.
Probably the key is divide the dose in 4, it should help to avoid feeling any withdrawal symptom.
Also having someone else to talk to should help a lot.
Do you consider the use of vitamin c with this taper method.
Add in some high dose powdered vitamin C.
Where do I get oxy from the doctors will not help. I live in UK Have been doing brown for 45 years yes long time ha ,would love to come of but can't see any way out, Any one out there got any information on helping me out, Have a good day,
Addiction is man made guy's, your Dr prescribed you them and then you became addicted with legal drugs unwittingly a trap hard to get off , don't feel bad it happens to the best of us all classes of people included no holds barred ok , I knowc.any government workers addicted to legal prescribed drugs after having an injury
How can you do this if the person is smoking it?
do oral. smoking is bad because euphoria and fast kick in your brain. you dont want to get high while tapering. just kill the withdrawals
This a very good video and a similar approach helped me years ago and I've never looked back. The dosages mentioned here are a bit confusing as it is not a 10% reduction every week. Between weeks 9 and 10 for example, going from 20mg to 10mg is a 50% reduction. Did you ever plan a 10% reduction every week with someone? It could be planned that way but would, obviously, take longer.
What approach did you take that helped?
It’s a 10% reduction of the original dose taken off every week. So the starting dose was 100mg, 10% would be 10 mg, so you you cut each week by 10mg until you’re down to step 7
You know, the step down technique is very hard. Unless you are so committed and can take a long time. Most of us don't have time like that because we have used to oblivion and have nothing. The great fact is, and I stress this.... YOU WILL GO THROUGH PAIN NO MATTER WHAT. Maybe you can ease withdrawal drugs and time but the pain is something that people who plan on quitting have to come to terms with. And it sucks. But that's the way it is. And in 20 years on heroin I don't think i have ever had a painless withdrawal. And unless you're rich and can go get a rapid detox where you're passed out the whole time, you goin through some pain like the rest of us poor people. Anyway I hate to say it, but none of us addicts are this discipline. Otherwise you would see a lot more people trying this method.
What is that "rapid detox" where you don't feel withdrawal?
You'd be surprised how many of us have used the step down method.
It works best for those of us who never used to "get high".
We always used JUST to feel "nornal".
Even from the beginning we were able to do very, very little and stretch it out so we could function.
But I've met plenty of addicts like you too! I'm sorry you don't feel like the step down will work for you
@@AMPFIELDVISION Did you ever find the answer to your questions?
There's several different ones / types.
Many are $20,000+.
But i found one that around $8,000 in North Dakota.
Check it out if you can afford it! They'll send u all the info and some videos of their patients after they wake up.
In the videos those pts tell you all about it.
You'll still feel sorta shitty afterwards but Nothing like you normally would.
And they iffer a Ketamine drip to help afterwards if you really need it.
@@AMPFIELDVISIONsublocade
@@inthelandofmorethansmall7582I think I could definitely do the step down there is just no way I’m going to get my hands on anymore…it’s frustrating, because like you I only used to feel normal
Very good. But this side is very strong probli to stop methadon
Day 25, coming off methadone is rough. Fuck, coming off heroin is easier 😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hi ! Every Doctor knows THIS way , why so many People never heard aboud it !!! Are the Doc's Sadists or just stupid ?They did it THIS way with Mr.GOERING , before his Prozess in Nürnberg W.W.2 , with codein ! I wish the Power you need to you ❤ciao
That's my idea. I always succeed without going to rehab center.
During the reduction process is the pain level monitored.
Linda Garcia just use red Bali kratom for 3 months while body heals. Quit cold turkey and be aware of the mind games opiates play.
@@richardlester4670I would like to get off mine.
I got diabetes nerves damage on my body the pain is crazy n i got bulge disc diseases on my back n neck im suffering my doctor strated me on Percocet for a years i be taking only when the pain come i never use drugs but cus of my conditions i cant fuction at all i i itried not to take it but my pain is to much that i can't sleep at all lost my job cus of my nerves damage in my body i can't stop cus of my health issues whit nerves damage in my body n bugle disc diseases believe ne i never use drug even when i was young is not my foult i got this condition i just walke up like that one day that i was going to work shit
Im coming off H. But first couple days i take subs. And Xanax. Then by the 3 day I'll switch to heavy indica edibles and cbd.
Miah and most importantly with the edibles you must take kratom and then you'll be asking what withdrawals??? lol won't feel any pain! 😉
Xanax is shit use gabapentin or phenabut why dont y
quitting is easy i've done it a thousand times. i used this techique quit pot first then was doing 20 perks a day so i cut down half a pill every 4 days when i was down to one pill i joined na one night and god first day straight in many years. i stayed clean for 21/2 years then the gov. sued me for 330000 dollars taxes and i started again. i'm sick of cops,pushers and doctors. i don't get high any more. first try great but it is never quite as good again until it is a real bummer. i'm thinking of trying again.
this is hard. i get the idea. i feel confused. whats the point.oh dear. is it to late, as i listen it makes sense. the schedule is hard.
The amino acid. Dlpa. May. Be helpful