Kicking My Leg Off...Free Abandoned Yamaha XT 500. Will It Run? (Part 2)
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- Second attempt at getting this Yamaha XT500 to run. I go over everything and get my kicking technique down. Will this bike that has been sitting for over 20 years start? #Yamaha,#XT, #500cc
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My leg still hurts lol.
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I know how you feel was kicking the 525 for ages and then realised it had a safety release off hahahahaha what an idiot l am
@@RagdollRacingInc haha that's rough!
What’s that 4 wheeler sitting in front of your bike
@@marksabean6673 New video on it Sunday!
A trick to starting that is to kick it to top dead center, once you have it at top dead center pull the compression release and and kick it past the first little bit of resistance then stop and let go of the compression release and give it a good kick and she will start.
Back in '81, I extensively rode a brand new XT500 that had the Black enamel/polished aluminium tank just like yours.
It was so Beautiful, Powerful and Smooth back then (compared to my clapped out Honda SL125) that it was a REVELATION!!!
I was 14 and the XT was just a HEAVENLY Riding Experience that I have never forgotten!
Watch out for the TT500, I had a '79 recently, SIX VOLT electrics suck, I think the XT's have 12 volt!
Later, I enjoyed my '86 XT600 for Twelve Years, me and that 'Bike did everything together, from top to bottom of NZ, EVERYBODY wanted a ride on the back! A couple of Thousand WHEEL STANDS later, it broke my heart to trade her in for the next love of my life, my '91 Harley.
So good to see you have the patience and the skills to get this Beautiful, now old, Girl back on the Road Mate, Goodonya!
Back in '79 I had the road-going version, the SR-500. That one had electronic ignition and produced its ignition-current from a coil or so behind the flywheel. I could start it without the battery.
Greetings from the Netherlands.🙂
You also have to drain the oil at the front of the frame; the oil is inside the frame.
...and more importantly remove the sump plate and clean the wire screen in the top of the sump plate, this is where you will find any broken pieces and shavings from inside the engine
Exactly: it's a dry-sump-engine.
It's a classic case of ESO: Equipment Superior to Operator. That motorcycle deserves better. My God, he's using channel locks and an adjustable wrench to work on it!
Painful to watch. Some people actually think he knows what he's doing. God help them.
Yeah I have 2 of these bikes. They are so easy to start.
@@NotaRobot_gif Tragikal that an total amatur dear to post a so unprofessional video
Never checked points ?
Keep the content coming! Love these videos and seeing all the cool old stuff come back to life.
The carb accelerator pump is junk and your engine breather is plugged
they continued to make these in Germany until the late 90s, although they say they were not the same I was sure that they were close.
This was my dream bike growing up as a kid. I'd love to find one of these at a reasonable price and do a full restore. Nice find. Good luck with the build!
Not a 2 stroke but still pretty cool find!
@@brandonknight7240 😭💀
You have a hardley as a profile picture
True, i forgot harleys were the best twostrokes
You do such a great job explaining exactly what your doing and why. I have enjoyed your videos for years Thank You!
Your leg is gonna look like quagmires arm after he found the internet
GIGGITY giggity! AlRiiiiight...
The cool thing is if you decide to replace the base gasket, rings ect It's worth saving and would be a fun bike to have to get around town on to save fuel. Good job Joe !
Really cool video,the hole time you where kicking and kicking I'm saying "dude! you're not doing right,you gotta bring it to TDC compression stroke then kick while perfectly timing the release of compression relief lever...and it will start every time first kick" so cool you figured out the secret!. lol so funny to me because no one ever wanted to ride mine because they couldn't start the engine. Also on first start of day i would hold the compression release in and slow kick the engine around a bunch to prime it up a little,then it would start one kick! No matter how cold,I still have my 1976 xt500 from back when i rode everday.that bike took so much abuse and neglect over the years!
I'm sure it would start without much trouble,these machines just don't die! new sub! Thanks again for shooting this video really brought back some great memories
Looks like the 81 or 82 model. SR500 type CDI ignition. Front downtube has secondary oil reserve, small drain hole at the front, and a mesh filter at the bottom of it where the pickup tube is at for the oil pump. Good units, really. Kickstarter was massively out of position, usually the foot lever is level up by the exhaust pipe in the up position. Not a bad bike, and it wasn't wet sumping. Looks like you got a good one. There's also an oil strainer under the bottom of the engine, under the plate with the drain bolt. Exhaust valve clearance .15mm (cold) and intake .10 cold. 220 main jet on the thing, 22.5mm float height. Sounds like it's got some pilot jet clogging going on at 31:45. That's just by the main jet up in the hole on the main jet pillar. Also highly recommended to check the diapgragms on that carburetor. Air cut valve (on side), accellerator pump and accellerator pump cut valve all can get holed.
2 vintage is one of the only channels that consistently uploads on certain days. On my Friday, math class I always check CZcams to see if you uploaded! Keep up the great work man! Love the channel
I’m happy to see another Wisconsinite that rides his projects in the dead of winter, I always get the strangest looks
Hey man, I recently was given a '76 TT500 for a computer and went through so many of these struggles from your two videos, and learned a lot to tune mine up watching.
I know you said plans are unknown for this guy, but my bike sounded just like yours when it ran. it'll go, it'll play, but it had that same sound when trying to drive around. low down and bog out on you, and just be weird, even if it'll sit and idle just fine,
I'm pretty sure I will need to do that base gasket as well, and if you did it in a video that'd help me out a lot, lol. There isn't a whole ton of info on the web about these, and fragmenting things together through forums and manuals can be a bit confusing. I love the way you show your process and it vibes with the way I think and it's easy to learn from.
Thank you for your content.
Pull your pilot and main jets, run a wire through them and install an inline fuel filter. See if that helps, usually is the culprit
Hi I hope you read the comments. I thought you would have got kicked by now. Just a tip your oil change was only a 1/2 job. There is oil in the frame and there's a metal screen at the bottom. Do your homework. These are awesome motorcycles you have lots to learn. there's also a bleed screw On top of the oil filter cap. I still remember when I got kicked From these motorcycles. Oh and don't forget to check your timing chain adjustment. And put a battery in it. Good luck nice to see it run
Just said all this myself 😂
I love these videos I get so excited when they come out lol
I bought one in 1980 brand new and it just never quit, if I could stay on the pegs I could climb it. Loved that bike.
Girl friend said I mounted it more than her.
I replied my bike was more fun to ride.
Nice one! Although a bit risky not changing the oil prior to running. Well done.
I love these videos, just wish after he buys one it would get degreased and pressure washed. Good work man keep it up! 💪
When I was in High school I would park my bike next to a guy with a brand new TT500 and I dont think that thing ever started on less than 10 kicks so I wasnt expecting to see yours start to quickly but well done for hanging in there. Cheers from New Zealand.
Loved your kickstarting action in your recent video . Loved every minute wow. .the xt500 is difficult to start if you don't know how to do it .well done excellent video
thanks for the memories, on a good day these had there starting moments. I had the SR500 version my right leg was twice the size of my left after a year LOL. Once you figure out to line up the cam window its a bit easier too. Running good back in the day I could smoke my buddy's Iron head AMF in the 1/8th . Great video .
Yes more of this bike, great video😀😀
Ya know the weeds getting to ya when you're willing to sit here and watch the dude kick that bike for as long as I did lmao....
U know the cracks gettin to u wen u just skip to the end
@@Bumpyfn250 or the acid
I used to work with a guy who had that same model. He really wasn`t a motorcycle person, but rode it to work once in a while. He never had any problems getting his started, but I do remember that other people had all kinds of problems with this model. He passed away a few weeks ago, and I`ll bet his bike is still in the garage and looks like new. It can`t have more than 3-4K on it. Good luck with yours, these and the XL Honda`s are fine old motorcycles.
I love it! you got her kicking again great fun!
Love the channel. Admire your determination. Burrrr inside an unheated, uninsulated garage during a Wisconsin winter.
I bought a new one of those back in 1981..........man I'm old. Great bike though! 😁
LOOKS LIKE YOU finally got a predator 500 in the background nice
Hmmm
I had a 78 xt500. Once it was dialed in she started effortlessly with the decomp lever. She was a wheelie machine. I loved that bike. She got impounded because a cop thought I was running from him but all I was doing was shredding the streets.🙌
Amazing job! Love that engine sound
Little tip, if you want to start one of those old kickstart bikes, that don't start so nicely. Just tow it. You can take anything from a moped to a car. Just attach a rope centered to your bike and let somebody tow you around. That way you can also let it turn over a bit before activating the ignition. That makes sure, that the engine is well lubricated and also you get the number of turn overs you would kick in an hour in like 2min.
Nice video man👍
Great job you know its running etc, your braver than me with that front tyre before you blew it up , thats just about to pop on the side walls. New gasket head off and get exhaust painted your good to go lol a nice project for sure
I had one in the 90s as a commuter, when it would start.... constantly needed valves and timing resetting, got rid of it for something reliable. They are nice ornaments and great fun when they are properly set up but I wouldn't have another one.... holding out for a Honda XL185s, had loads in 80s and 90s, great little bike with the right power to weight for green lanes.
Hey man, great catch! I see people already commenting but you can still improve your kick procedure and avoid injury or damage.
Try getting the tt500 1976 manual online and check the kickstarting procedure there. The cam window is nice but at night it won't serve you. You will eventually get used to find that spot without looking. Best way is to press the kick till you feel compression, release kick and let it slide up, press decomp and then lower the kick till it's horizontal. Let it come back up again, release decomp and make sure the kick latched almost fully vertical. Only then swing a full 180 degrees. When reaching the footpeg hold about 1s there to avoid kickback.
Most of your kicks are rotating about 90 degrees, which is not ideal and a bit risky of getting a mule's kickback. Flywheel needs a full 2 revolutions as the spark only comes out at the end of the second. This will save you from leg day and avoid breaking an ankle.
Another way to find the sweet spot is to press about half of the travel of your decomp lever (check freeplay as well!) you will feel a small click in the lever when you are in the sweet spot. With that, no more looking at cam window.
Kick will not always latch and allow 180 degrees of travel. Restart the procedure if that's the case.
Also, 80s model have points and no cdi. Check your points gap and timing, they should be starting to open on F on the flywheel. Strobo lamp highly recommended.
(Edit: I was wrong, 80s US models already had CDI. Fancy!)
Good luck and welcome to the forever suffering club of xt owners!
great job bringing her back , that silver floating on top of the oil in your pan is fine metal .
I hope you can get the parts for it! Would love to see this old thumper rebuilt
super!! this bikes are rare and expensive right now!
Thanks for the entertaining video .. I wish I found a free XT500... The 76 XT did not have the little window on the cam to help starting .. I had to go by feel . The starting technique was a good deterrent for people who wanted a ride . Many a sprained ankle when the 500 kicked back viciously .. These bikes are hard to find and cost a small fortune here in Australia now .. I owned two new XT500s , a 76 and 78 as well as a street legal 77 TT500 in my youth. Pigs to start when flooded . Many times I cursed them after I dropped them when trail riding.. Easy to fix and work on though ... I wish I had kept the TT500 ...
I remember when this bike came out. I subscribed to all four of the street bike mags. They loved it's handling and performance.
I think you may be overlooking something very important. At least I haven’t seen you check it yet. IGNITION TIMING! I doubt the base gasket would be cause for an air leak because the sleeve extends into the crank case below the base gasket. My guess is the points need cleaned and timed!
The kickstart is in the wrong position which is giving you a short kick, it needs to sit more vertical. You only need to remove the valve covers, generator cover to see if the timing is wrong. A common issue is when someone times them 180 degree out,.
yes top part should be horizontal in rest!!
Yep, the kickstart alone would make it hard to start
Good job getting it running sounds pretty good for a old beast yo
Good stuff man
Love your channel. You definitly need to have a more "rural" area for what you do. I would be afraid of neighbors calling the cops. Love the bikes you find.
Nice bike. Love all the tripod shots! Its so good untill you grab the cam so fast and jerky.. really only wanna help.
Steady as she goes.
There's a trick to starting the xt! Top dead center. I used to own one of these beasts! Lol. I used to tell friends if you can start it you can ride it. From what I remember there's a mark on the cam that you put in the sight hole on the right side of head. It's been awhile, but definitely a trick to it! THUMPER LIFE
Do you still need to do this when its warm?
It’s same as starting a vintage Royal Enfield
@@jaydangier1110 Yup. 4 stroke cycle still the same, hot or cold. For hot starts the xt on this video has a small button on LH of the carburetor, which you press up and it gives a little throttle. Alternatively, you can just squeeze the throttle handle a bit (which is what you do if your model doesn't have hot start button).
But the kick procedure is always the same. And kickback possibilities as well, so dont mess it up!
@@francofranchetti yep, it'll hurt your kicking leg for sure. I loved my old xt.
@@paulcondie2520
If you know what you're doing and it's running right it doesn't hurt
Forget the window (Kick Indicator), find compression (TDC) and using the decompression lever move it slightly past TDC this places the piston in the correct position so you have a full revolution before hitting compression again
Once you understand you never need to look at the Kick Indicator again except to show others that it has such a thing
Kick indicator window, “bingo”
I was shouting that at the guy from the start of the video. The window was a great idea until you had start the bike in the dark somewhere...
@@deh1301 Between that and the compression release I was able to start my xt500 when I was a flyweight at 16. If you never understand what they are used for you going to kick and kick and kick until your leg falls off, or it launches you over the bars.
@@Strayzshadow very true.
My local Yamaha dealer has got one of these bikes in PERFECT condition in their showroom.. I picked up some parts yesterday at their shop and I stared at this beauty for a good 10 minutes, because of how nice and beautiful is! Would love to own one of these one day...
I had an old TT500. It was a bear to start. I never knew about the window. I may try that the next time I try to fire the TT up. Thanks for the great video.
Dude love your channel and You have the learn as you go knowledge like me. You need to invest in more shop lighting.
When I was a kid in the 70’s I had an Ossa 250 Stiletto, it had an expansion chamber with a Basani tip I added. It was fast and a handful, I thought I was the King of the Chattahoochee River bottoms and gas lines in Forsyth County, Georgia, until an older kid got a shiny Yamaha TT500! I had to do the walk of shame when I raced him, I was a superior rider, but I just couldn’t beat the raw power of the TT when the trails smoothed out and straightened up, it was a powerhouse!
at least for min it would never start if you touch the gas/throttle.... so no gas/throttle while kicking and mine started always and every time. and i did notice yours started when you kept throttle complete closed. thanks for sharing brought back many good memories.. . a trip from denmark to rome and back, a trip with my best friend pilion and camping for a month to what was yugoslavia... with stop in insbruck to take engine off and change top and bottom gasket in the tent by ourselves... our mechanical babtism as we did not have enough money for a real mechanic.. but with clyme or was haines the book was called ... no problem
Check your air intake boot on the motor side for cracks . A damaged boot would cause this sort of running issue under load. Love seeing old bikes come back to life.
Hi! That is a dry sump motor. You need to also drain the oil from your frame/oil tank. Drain plug on the front down tube. If you have too much oil in the sump, you have a faulty one way valve.
Your slacking on the wd40 my guy..it would have been sprayed on the kick.indicator and so forth!!!
Sweet vintage man
Get some "Red or florescent orange" nail polish on metal indicator, so its easier to see though sight window. You did a good job on getting it running. Argh!! Charlie brown, on the leaking gasket
My sons 93 Dr350 started same way. Was very hard to get running even if it seemed compression was good. He rebuilt top end then was way easier to start. Not easier to kick over but started in no more then 3 kicks
Smokes like a great aunt at a family reunion lol glad to see it start that's awesome can't wait to see what else you do with it
I had a 81 Dr 500 free .. I rebuilt it new piston rings , bored over 30 & cam chain & guides. Also there should be a comp release 🤪 it’ll hurt when it kicks back. I was 135-140 pounds lol but I had fun on it. Good luck 🤘🏼. I know ya can do it !
Just have your friend pull you around the block!
Had one of these from new. You do need to use the kickstart indicator as they are very tricky compared to british singles I've owned. Also as someone mentioned, keep throttle closed on kickover or it'll never start. in my experience.
Sweet find bro👍👍
Too good to be true
Reality is a smoky start up !
And looking back all that burning oil came from --- leaky gaskets !!
Waiting for the rebuilt version “WHEELIE MONSTER”
Dry sump engine, oil in frame as well. I've had 2 XT'S & 1 SR. great bikes,easy to work on.
Sounds good, kinda poppy but good deal. Hayed starting mine, loved to ride it. When one comes into shop, i give my apprentice a little extra scratch to kick em over. Mine smashed my knee cap, hasnt beed same since. Be careful.. great job man...
Hey man great job. I bet someone preserved it years ago with a liberal dose of oil down the spark plug hole hence the hard start.
Now I know how hard it going to be for me to get mine running thanks
fuel on , choke on , TDC ( in window ) , valve lifter , no throttle ... kick all the way through . they wernt designed to be hard to start . dosent help if its been sat though....and ive never heard XT 500 and free in the same sentence....what a score !!! well done .
Very good video. I am thinking about what my next bike will be. I got a tw200 last year and got my license. I like dual sports. Have been planning on getting a new dr650. But I am old school. I restored a 65 Willy's Jeep I plan to keep. I like the kickstart on a bike. Your vid and knowledge showed me a lot about the xt500. So, do you think an xt500 could be a daily rider for a mechanically inclined guy these days? Would be cool to see an all finished video of your bike!
great videos @2vintage
Great bike. Had one back in the 80's. The compression release helps to start it for sure. That comp release window was impossible to see after dark, so was useless. I eventually had a feel for it, and didn't need to look at the window(after dark) to start it. It was always a hard starter, even when running great with fresh tune-up. Throw a "Supertrapp" on it and he'll scream.
Interested in selling it?
When you hold the little lever that keeps the exhaust valve open, you feel the force on your finger disappear at the moment the metal part comes in sight. That way you don't need to look at the window.
“Ayyy good to go joe here, and today we’re gonna air up this rear tire”😂. Just playing joe, hope u know that. But can u please just acknowledge it once, and say it? Lol. Cool bike , weird how they have a site glass to let u know when to kick. Pretty cool
Hahaha we will see!
This brings back memories to an old guy--I bought a new orange TT500 during a period of fights with the wife--she forbid me to have anything like this so I bought it and she never forgave me --we were divorced a year later--the only bright spot was cowtrailing around Kamloops, BC, the greatest trail riding of my life! I was young, I could kick like a mule, the bike taught me how to start it--it was a one-kicker for me!
those old tundras are great on fuel and so reliable, respect👍🏻
Yeah I love it!
Good video man
All you have to do is FEEL where the compression stroke starts with the kick starter. Once you feel that hard resistance...lift the compression release lever and carefully move the kick started slightly down with your foot to get the engine just past the compression stroke. Once you get the knack of that, you'll no longer ever have to look at the little window again to tell you it's ready to kick over.
Well done bro. Cool old thumper
Have you checked that your kicker arm is on properly? There is a little notch on the shaft, that is supposed to line up with the gap on the arm where the bolt goes through. Looks like the are isn't all the way up, and you therefore arent getting a whole revolution out of your kick. Had the same problem with mine
Any big four stroke single, can be a pain to kick start, unless you know the method.
I know
That bike uses an o ring and a base gasket i have 7 of those bike bro I could give you some really solid advice and save you money if you truly want it to run good 👍
Keep that gem!!
I had a lot of these when i was teenager and loved them, lot of my friends wanted to ride it i said 'if you can start it you can ride it" they got scared of it cause it kept booting them back (kickback) very painful, if your foot slips off the kickstart and it boots back it'll rip your calf muscle open. They had contact points so if they weren't set properly or the throttle was open slightly when kicking it over, it will boot your ass right off there lol. You got to let them breathe free, open the exhaust, head work, oversize piston or head and boy they are a lot of fun. Our local copper use to chase me all the time he loved the thrill of the chase but was a very sore loser only time he caught me was when i was parked in a friends driveway visiting lol
Bubba move that Kickstarter up when it's fully retracted its halfway to the ground move it up for it stands up when it's towed so you have a full throw and you kick it Bubba Louie. ...
i think it’ll be worth it bearing in mind the lengths you go to on the tractors you mess with. suspected base basket when it first fired up but think a fresh piston would help greatly . ...... and a white front fender
You are just learning so keep trying. Get yourself a shop manual for the bike. I own several TT and XT500 bikes. My oldest one I have owned since it was new in 1978. It has over 5000 offroad miles with only normal maintenance. With adequate compression, good spark, and a properly functioning carburetor, they are two kick starters. My advice is to take another look at the carburetor and the fuel delivery system as a whole.
Cool old trail bike 👍
i had one of those bikes, my leg was always in pain , aligning the comp. bubble was a pain, that 4 stroke was crazy powerful💪
Did you remember to torque the head to spec after putting it back together? Always recheck after first heat cycle
I guess I missed the part where you drained the oil out of the actual oil tank, The drain being at the bottom of the front frame tube. Below that is a fitting that unscrews from the bottom of that frame tube. There is a oil screen in there that should be checked for debris. That line under there is the supply to the oil pump. This is dry sump engine. Oil is not stored in the bottom of the engine. There are actually two oil pumps in one. One supplies the oil to the engine from the oil tank, the other scavenges oil from the bottom of the sump and returns it to the oil tank in the frame. When a dry sump engine sits for a long time, oil often will bypass the oil pump and end up in the sump where it does not belong. You should always drain a dry sump engine that's been sitting for long time. Oil needs to be in the tank in order for it to be supplied to the engine. Oil seeping through the oil pump and filling the engine can result in oil being pushed out the crankcase breather, and into the stock air filter housing, because that's where the crankcase breather goes. This will usually result in a fouled spark plug at the very least, and can easily blow gaskets and seals if you are unlucky. The poor running, besides a fouled plug, I can almost guarantee is a partially plugged pilot jet and the hard starting, same with starter jet that supplies the choke circuit. A partially plugged pilot jet can end up being a disaster as it will create a lean fuel/air ratio which can raise the combustion chamber temperature to temps high enough to overheat and expand the piston enough to seize it, or burn the exhaust valve, burn pits into the piston. It will also cause pre-detonation, also very bad. On multi cylinder engines it can easily melt a hole through the piston. I'm not exaggerating. Clean the carb next.
Love to see one of these gems getting back on the road! owned several of them. Tips:
oilchange: also drain the front frame-tube, speeds things up. Stalling on reserve means the tube inside the tank for reserve is probably gummed up. simply drill out the gunk.
all it needs now is a replica front-fender and a brake-leaver and you have yourself a nice original example.
I love watching this channel but every time you call it a “decompression release” is like nails on a chalk board
Yeah a "Compression Release" maybe
I'd call it the "Decompression Lever" others might call it a "Valve Lifter" or a "Decompressor"
agreed!... I also cant stand hearing people say 'aircrafts' as aircraft is plural.....might as well say 'p.s.i. per square inch' I mean, in physics it is a thing, but in air compressors, not so much.
Nice vid bro
Bring it up slowly to tdc, then pull in the decompression and just move past tdc. Now, one strong kick and hold the kickstarter fully down, calmly repeat this procedure until it fires.
Better than ripping the bike apart. Start with the correct procedure, before you hit the panic button.
Don't have lots of hair but this made me pull out the little I had.
Bingo you found the Kick indicator yay good for you
Honda did the same with the early VF bikes with the oil running through the frame