Overwatch 2 Season 3 Tier List - Supports (Part 2)
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Honestly support is the most balanced role right now by far. If I had a take a pick for the worst rn it would probably be either Moira due to her being meh at high ranks or Lucio being not fitting in the current meta as well as the others (for Rein you usually want Ana/Kiriko and for Ball you usually want Brig/Zen). Of course you can still play those heroes just fine, it really depends on what your team is running and how they want to run it.
If Lucio and rein commit together they're insane. But rein does synergize with a lot of supports, like ana, bap, and Lucio so it's kind of all fine.
(I wouldn't necessarily say that rein and kiriko synergize so much as kiriko is just the best support in the game and is fantastic in every comp)
Moira isnt meh at high ranks, shes busted for the average player and in high rank she has the best aoe healing with the survivability to escape flankers etc
@@Blaze_curse And is better off being a dps more than a support…and Zen is just the better dps.
@@Blaze_curse Also you really overestimate Moira’s healing. Her AOE is by far the worst in the game simply because it’s actually pretty slow (pretty much equivalent to Mercy at the moment) and it doesn’t hit any more than 3 people on average (though you’re lucky to be in a situation where you hit anymore than one) which makes it about equivalent to Lucio (when hitting two or more) and about half as good as Brig.
@@kius5033WHO LET HIM COOK
I think Ana should go in S, she has utility for every situation. Her one weakness is being easily dived but that's why peeling exists
if Ana is S Zen should be S too, in this meta Zen is even better that Ana and this is coming from an Ana main
@@BlGSTA zen at S doesn't sound crazy tbh, a good zen hard carries games
no, s is kind of too high for ana.
But she's countered pretty hard by kiriko
Kiriko's existence alone brings her down a tier imo.
As a Baptiste main who has climbed and survived up to masters with him here's my honest bap review.
1. Bap is a killer a (3rd) dps if you will, discord is good for tanks but as Baptiste literally anyone else is on the market as Baptiste you need to win your 1 v 1s manage your cool downs etc etc. Dueling a good bap is going to be the most miserable experience of your life period. His survivability is what he has over zen really, bap can survive from every distance besides really really far zen dies during close range fights. I prefer baps higher healing output and consistent hit-scan damage.
2. Healing, he can out heal everyone on the roster without question besides a healboting mercy bap can do her numbers as well as get kills.
3. Window use it to kill tanks during there ultimates, if you don't get caught in terra surge or annhilation pop it right there and shoot them yourself.
All in all high to mid A tier, he might have a high skill celling but learning this hero assures you don't get trapped into the mind set of always healing, you have to actually turn your brain on, hit your shots, and play him properly as well as know how to win your duels which requires a basic understanding of the game.
On console instead of comparing him to kiriko or ana..... We usually just use both.....
I love Bap, but I hate his ultimate it just never works out for me.
I think Lúcio and Kiriko are S tier still tbh. The other supports are honestly pretty fair. A-B for everyone I think
Kiriko yes, lucio is A compared to kiriko he lacks suzu which is so impactful it should be criminal.
Kiriko is 2 full tiers above every other support in the game, Lucio is not on her level.
Lucio doesn't even fit into these comps. I disagree I think he's around the level of Moira in current comps.
I feel like that last Kiriko nerf did the trick in making her balanced. The healing she does now is far less than it was before.
@@brandonjeffery8023 the problem with kiriko was never her healing. that change was universally mocked when it dropped. "so we have a character with a broken teleport ability, a broken cleanse/invuln ability, an insanely good ultimate and can 2 tap to the head. Let's nerf her healing."
Ngl, from my own experience playing around plat and diamond, an Ana/Zen comp is fucking disgusting if played correctly and I would argue it would be meta right now if Kiriko didn't exist. If you wanted to really make the enemy tank suffer, throw in a Sombra and/or Mei but they're not good atm and are just "Fuck You" picks.
Discording and Anti-healing the tank gives you a 3.5 second window where you can just obliterate them and you can just win team fights off of bombing the tank into the ground and cleaning up the rest. I've seen Orisas and Rams disappear very quickly to team comps like that. Rein has a little bit of counter play but you can still very easily get caught out.
The only downside is that you need good team coordination to actually make it work.
And it doesn't really work on quick charachter such as doomfist or hamond.
Sayinf Mercy doesn't die easier now just shows how little Flats knows about Support gameplay. Yeah, she's still hard to kill, but her heal based self preservation is situational and the main reason for her survival in the first place was not getting hit. Being a damage sponge is always worse than not getting hit at all
She’s definitely harder to kill now with characters that do more sustained damage vs burst damage. Obviously in a burst meta she can get one shot easily with less mobility, but I’ve found that her self heal when healing allies and boosted healing for low teammates is enough to cancel out, if not be better than her movement nerfs in many cases.
So first of all, calm your ass down. Second of all, flats didn’t say shit about mercy being easier to kill, that was Seagull. Third, flats is a better support player than you are and anything you say is invalid because flats genuinely knows how to play the game. Also, mercy is still very hard to kill based on her mobility and tankiness in valk, otherwise unless you’re absolute trash, you wouldn’t be able to kill mercy at least every other team fight.
lucio is very misunderstood as a support because his healing output isn’t insane but he has so much utility esp if you know how to walk ride and just survive
thats how people played him since 2017 wdym misunderstood
My friend is so good at bap it’s crazy he doesn’t play comp. he consistently gets like 3k damage and 6k+ healing every match we play.
Tbf stats are meaningless. Baps all about the lamp.
i mean thats pretty low but ok
I can see why he doesn’t play comp
lucio and ana in A tier is wild, S tier for MANY reasons
Well, they're talking about their own rank. How a hero performs changes a lot depending on the rank.
@@ItsXetren this is something many dont understand. when these guys talk its mainly coming from their rank point of view.
S tier is for kiriko and no support matches the level kiriko is at right now.
Ana got nerfed and she was already struggling with kiriko so A is very good. Lucio is good but not in every situation while kiriko is good in most situations.
This might come as a surprise but being easier to hit means you are easier to kill.
This might come as a surprise, but have you ever heard of Orisa? Or anyone that's easy to hit but has a gimmick that makes them harder to kill as a result?
The perfect loop doesn't ex-
Ur right it doesn’t
@Jozef productions brother shut up
Love these takes, I want to argue having bap in A. But, he’s just kinda meh sometimes. Baps ult is a little easier to use w fire strike now one tapping squishies. Bap is aight I think
Naw bap is underrated as hell
Bap is crazy. Can make tons of damage and keep the team alive at the same time. His ult is great, it doubles the damage of every attack, only problem is to position it rightly
He is pretty basic and forgettable
The problem is Bap is very situational. He’s good if your team can survive. For comparison Zen gets value by damage amp and popping off which really good if you can snowball your advantage. Easier to achieve than just surviving with Bap.
@@allstarwoo4 Bap can do the same thing only with higher survivability, so it depends do you want a "Slightly faster" fight with discord? Or do you want to win the sustain fight? Both are situational, but Baps higher self survivability gives him a edge.
supps are honestly balanced rn
Idk Zen still feels kinda poop he is good for the wrong reasons yeah you can kill a tank but as a support kinda underwhelming as hell.
Wish his healing was better and he had at least 1 more ability and maybe a rework or buff to his ult it was only rly good because of Zarya.
@@DreYeon kind of a cringe take, the point of zen is to support not with healing, also making your whole team unkillable is not that bad
@@DreYeon Zen is massively good. Hard to use, but amazing. They are supports, not healers. Zen's job is to help bring down tanks quickly, and any other enemy as well. As a tank player I hate him so much, specially when I go with Rein, I can't get close to him at all
@@DreYeon most people just don't utilize zen's discord correctly, and most zen's probably aren't discording and healing the right people. I see it every game.
@@theguildmaster3502 Saying cringe to everything is cringe to @Nemo Error
He does an insane 30 healing per sec on orb and yes he is good against tanks but he is not consistent enough because you relay purely on discord and your team mates.
And even if he is good in my opinion that's a shit plays style putting orb on 1 guy and dps mostly as a support.
He punishes badly postioned dps pretty well and yes i did play him a lot to but a lot of maps just have to many ways to go back to cover and the orb is gone same goes for healing orb to wich is another reason why he is not consistent.
The way he supports is just not good and rewarding,people say discord orb is rly good yeah no shit but that should be not the whole reason that the character is good,in comparion if yo would take away other heros strongest ability and let them fight each other Zen barely is a character it's laughable.
Blizz has him on the lower list because he is just simple not as popular as other character and can you blame people putting 2 orbs and left clicking the whole game is kinda boring "support" gameplay.
And btw his orb was even better back in the day so yeah obv. they know it's good and he didn't even had the kick back then.
In lower elo:
S tier: Moira
A tier: Mercy
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...F tier: all other supports
Le bruh
When there aren't even enough support characters to spread over the tier list
I mean in this short they did skip a bunch
Valkyrie is not a mini-transcendence, lol. For allies under half, it does 90hps. For reference, Moira's Coalescence does 120 hps. Ana's nano gives a 300hp burst heal on usage. Baptiste Window makes each of his grenades heal for 140 on direct shot through the window (100 on AOE splash healing). Transcendence heals for 300hps. 90hps is not high sustain for a support ultimate.
No no listen its 90hps on every teammate including yourself (due to 4x25%). Lucio amp is 52 on others 32 on self thats like having 2 lucio amps for 15 seconds plus the best mobility in the entire game, perfect for setting up and even dodging during rez
@@princewaesen154 Lucio amp is not an ult though. Like, in terms of healing, compared to other support ults, Valkyrie isn't that strong. It's balanced with the other support ults due to the mobility, chain damage boost and the other things it provides, but to call it a mini-transcendance is just wrong.
Bro the new mercy update is crazy lmao.
At least Ana should probably be in S, if we are talking about high elo Zen probably too. Blue Ball is just a permanent tank pressure tool without any commitment. Ana Jar of Piss is a 40% uptime "Your Tank needs to run away and my tank has free play time, no matter the game situation".
IMO, Ana piss should have been HEAVILY nerfed or changed on the way to single tank and its mindboggling how its still alowed in this state. 40% uptime on an ability better than most ultimates
I think they only released Kiriko because of Ana
@@naivet I'm pretty sure Suzu was made because a cleanse was desperately needed to counter Ana, JQ, etc and people asked for it. So you definitely are not wrong.
Lucio deff need a buff to dmg or boop distance I’m tired of having to hit people 10 times to kill them while I get one shot
Pirate ship my beloved
Ive seen a new lucio do 30k healing 20k damage in comp
Is zen-mercy less of a throw combo now with the mercy buffs? So tired of getting yelled at when I want to play mercy but the other support locked zen first
It is probably one of the top 2 worst support combos I want to have as a tank player. Zen lucio will always be the worst, but this is a close second to 3rd with mercy zen.
I have a buddy who swears that Lucio is a troll pick and that they can't actually contribute
he probably has only met trolls. talking as a Lucio fan that has the agility of Tails without the 'copter.
@@cjofulue5218 wait so just sonic? Of have I not played a sonic game in a long time
@@Nate-bd8fg thanks, but no. Mostly ground with omni-directional hops off everything around me and constant bops at whatever I'm aiming at
When you heal bot yes he is. But that’s not what Lucios for
@@piss5061 lucio should have 0 healing at all times to be effective
they don’t know about them baptiste plays. if you can play him well he can be very good. i’m only plat though idk about higher ranks
What about brigs I already saw teams running from a brigs reinhardt combo
Grandmaster Support here all but Moira are on the same level rn sometimes you don't get value on Mercy, Brig, Ana due to comp but they all are equally destructive if not countered
Part 1 where???
Guess Kiriko isnt a support according to this short.
Me who got bullied by a random bap in gold 💀😭 he was at 12k dmg and 22k heals
New mercy is s tier in low ranks
Putting zen above mercy should be illegal, I never see a zen do any amount of healing
Bruh Zen is an off healer
His value comes a lot from the discord orb melting tanks or make dps duels easier.
Maybe because the role is called SUPPORT not healer. Also, if you're relying on Mercy to heal, you have other issues.
bruh, i'm bronze, but Bap has:
self burst heal
a stationary 'zen ult' (joke) on cooldown
cray mobility for picks, heals, scouting
a decent and fast charging ult
and if you're right with your burst, cray dps
that's a lot of tools for B-tier supp.
Personally I still ana is S-Tier, but the supps are play Ana-Bapp-Zen in that order for my bias.
I agree
Moira is godly in low ranks
No brig?
Moira is S tier support and DPS.
You’re definitely Recycled plastic 4
Moira needs limited damage and unlimited healing
I think moira should be a tier and kiriko s tier
Moira is so drastically worse than the others at high ranks that it’s not even funny. I love playing her but beyond Diamond you REALLY start to feel her lack of utility compared to the others.
What about brig tf
I main a brig wish they'd do a lil something for her
She has a high win rate but low pick rate shes very situational i dont think they will
@@zenzohhv2474 yea I wasn't pleased to hear the devs mention her 55% win rate. I one-trick her and I can make her do good work even if I'm not that great, but even then she still doesn't compare to some of the other supports
Brig is actually really good right now because of Ball meta. She’s a very team-comp-dependent hero, but honestly I don’t think she needs buffs at all. If you’re position-aware with her she can be super good.
Brig works well with dive and with ball popular brig is pretty good
I mean ult rework is coming so we'll see what happens.
You want everyone to be in A-teir. They feel good to play but are not OP
I'm a diamond support here is my tier list:
S tier- Zen, Ana, Kiriko
A tier - Mercy, Brig
B tier - Moira
C tier - Bap , Lucio
Lucio needs a buff and Baps ult just isn't good.
Lol goes to show what you know XD
probably i just suck but i have lost so many games to just moira, like someone in the enemy team is a goo moira and there's nothing my team can do
People just don't peel Moiras harshly enough. Her range is deceptively long, needs no aim, and she can just throw her damage orb. A bad Moira is easy to kill. A good Moira in low tiers/qp without anyone peeling is a fucking monster.
Honestly she and Lucio suck to play against if the player knows how to use them. I've started having to go Brig just to counter a Lucio camping the payload and jumping around like sonic the fucking hedgehog
@@no.xivxion4352 nah yeah like i play as genji and she can easily chase me down with her long range, orbs and even if I manage to bring her really low she self heals like crazy, Is really impossible to fight against.
Like all I can do is go orisa and tank the damage and kill her
@@Moonwalker130 I fucking hate her self heal. If they removed that from her damage attack it would feel so much better to play against. I main Kiriko and with how many Moiras have their movement down it's such a fucking pain to kill. Plus Fade has such a low goddamn cool down compared to anything else.
@@no.xivxion4352 yeah and her super long range, high damage high healing ult
Moira is easily the worst support right now. Less impactful hero in the game atm.
Anna is S, kiriko cleanse is 14 seconds, anna anti heal is 10 cooldown while its up for 4 seconds so only a 6 second downtime, and that is if A- you have a kiriko on your team B- the kiriko isnt wasting suzu the moment she gets hit.
Healing effectively is more difficult with Ana than Kiriko, and nothing comes close to cleanse, or swift step. She's so broken it'd just most people even high ranks don't fully utilize kiriko.
@@Ahria256 her healing is so weak after the nerfs, anna pumps much more heals per second and has CC and anti that are way too powerful against tanks when there is only 1, kiriko is better due to her kill potential and survivability, doesnt offer much more than that
That logic only applies if the game is just one drawn out team fight where no one dies and everyone uses their skills on cooldown. In reality when the fight starts they both have the skill off cooldown, so kiriko cleanses nade immediately.
Yea to be fair we do need some more strictly healing based supports like mercy. And probably one more high damage one like bap
*Edited* I’m a high bronze low silver player so if you guys want to teach me how to play different characters please tell me🙏
Mercy is not even kind of a strictly healing based support. And hell no we do not need our new supports to be strictly healing based. If you don't like that your supports aren't outhealing the enemy dps's damage, try coping.
Mercy is not strictly heal based and if you play her like that then you are throwing
@@-NoNo. well now I was talking about mercy being a big healer. She can heal a lot in a short amount of time yk?
@@fizcore3806 she can heal a decent amount when necessary but you still should be playing her for damage boost and not her healing
@@fizcore3806while yes, her healing is purely secondary to her damage boost, if you heal more than you're boosting then either you're forced to or you're throwing
People don't like Moria because she gets most kills, most dps, heals the team and potg ult.
L
Welcome in bronze elo... potg ult was a fact in ow1, when the potg was bug she dont get it always now... she has it just when you have make 4kill( who is a standard potg), kill is the stupidest stat in ow because you get a "kill" if you make 1 damage to a character who die after, its more like assist than real kill so yes its simple to be first in the kill categorie when you damage the whole ennemy team with 1 orb... First in heal depend a lot of your team comp but its pretty normal... moira is a really strong burst healer who suppose to be in the top 3 Best healer of the game( in the same level than a baptiste and better than a ana if you play a rush compo). And if your moira is first in dps she is probably trolling and not healing your team much... or she is also first in heal but then your dps and second heal are probably the real troll....
So pls stop racism against moira. She is a fine character if you have a brain
@Tryan Frigor that's the thing. She's a perfect character for low elo because you don't need a brain to play her. She significantly drops in usage the higher you go because a good Moira doesn't have nearly as much value as a good Ana or kiriko. Also who's being racist?
Bruh, moria is only low because y'all suck at utilizing her
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We don’t want your tier list. Devs listen to it and ruin the game more
Mercy is easier to hit not easier to kill is facts I wish would stop complaining about her