What Really Happened To The Captured German Weapons After The War
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The surprising thing about the allied nation's post-war small arms development, is how often "not invented here" superseded and even negated design choices that were clearly superior. The United States ordnance dept was particularly prone to this, while the Russians were past masters at modifying or simply copying designs from other nations -then completely denying they'd done so.
For instance, no one can deny the AK47/AKM/AK74 assault rifles are some of the most successful post-war battle rifles ever devised. But Kalashnikov denied to his dying breath that its design was influenced by the thousands of German MP44 Sturmgewehr rifles captured by the Soviets on the Ostfront 1944-45. Meanwhile, close examination shows while that may be at least partly true, mainly because the trigger mechanism at least, was NOT copied from the MP44 (because it was copied from the US M1 Garand rifle).
Then there's the MG42 GPMG or general purpose machine gun. The MG42 was a revolutionary weapon, that introduced such features as a quick change barrel. The Germans also made it uncomplicated enough that the guns were made mainly from sheet metal stampings, thus making the weapon much faster to manufacture than any similar gun before it. No one has come up with a better machine gun since; the proof being that to this day, the MG42 and variants, are still in use in armies all over the world, virtually unchanged.
But when American ordnance "experts" first got a chance to study the MG42 in detail after the war, "not invented here" reared its head once more. The Americans found all sorts of reasons why the MG42 should not or could not simply be rechambered in an American caliber and put in service and opted to develop a completely new gun instead (the M60). Naturally the new M60 used many design features of the MG42 including a quick change barrel - but the result was a gun heavier, more complicated, and less reliable than the German gun it was meant to emulate!
"Captured German weapons" --- shows Japanese army. 😂
Back in the early 60's i remember going to a army surplus store where you could buy anything! Guns, bayonets, canvas tents,uniforms, canteens, various equipments you name it. Wish id have taken advantage of it.
When I was at school we had a teacher who told us how you could buy military surplus for next to nothing after ww2. He said a friend of his bought an ex army truck at an auction & discovered the back was loaded with motorbikes.
I remember seeing page after page of Mauser rifles for sale cheap on the back cover of every outdoors/hunting magazine for years.
Ok so what happen to all those weapons in all those warehouses in America?
My Dad (7th inf 3rd Div north Africa Sicilly boot of Italy and Anzio) was severally wounded in Aljers. While recouperating at the forward hospital was allowed to recondition the US military equipment and made the first M1 Gerand 'tanker'. When rotated out at Anzio the GIs were ordered to surrender their weapons. He got close to the rail and kicked his 'tanker' over the side in the Mediterranean sea. Dad was only 5'4'' and his M1 worked better than original issue.
Hearing and watching history never tires
It should be remembered that Britain willingly sold the soviet union rolls royce jet engines that they used in their MIG 15 fighters.
Years ago I was on a tour of Europe.....Got in to a discussion with an old guy who said that there were a huge number of WWII weapons in walls, ceilings, basements , barns, and sheds all over Europe..............
German weapons were dumped in SE Asia by the US too, not only by the soviets.
Wonder how many weapon and ammo caches are still out there and in working order, if any..
My Dad was in the occupation of Japan and sent home two type 99 rifles for $1 each plus an NCO infantry sword.
The Germans apparently invented superior T/P. The allies brand was frankly making a lot of soldiers very itchy and cranky on patrol. The Germans invented a superior soft bottom cleaner with lotion within. It was soon copied when a number of rolls of German two ply were found.
My friends and I bought 8mm Mauser’s for about $25 each in 1986. I still have mine.
Not only German and Japanese weapons they had their own to deal with and find storage for . They say that the Russians still have warehouses full of these weapons and still supply their allies with them such as Cuba Brazil and other countries such as North Korea and Vietnam so as I’m told .
Post 1979 Cambodian armed forces were supplied some WW2 German weapons by the USSR. You could still see many Luger pistols in use in the early 90's, and occasional Krupp field artillery pieces.
my Dad bought a Piper L-4 “Grasshopper” ( civilian version J-3 “Cub” ) for $75 in 1945 after the War … he reminded me during my youth, when I screwed up in school, that he HAD to sell it for $50 to get me out of the hospital in 1955 !!!
The allies got much more secret technology of the Germans than the soviets, initial designs leading to B2 bombers, long range bombers etc. to begin with
I have a Russian captured K98k Mauser. Great rifle.
Those who choose to ignore the past are doomed to re-live it. These items should remain, not to glorify, but to contextualize the war and it's remnants.
I have a German bolt action rifle that became an Israeli war award, then chamber by Israel to 308. All markings are in German. Amazing and a great find.
A gun would last forever if it is well maintained i.e. clean and oiled for longer period of time use Cosmoline
The Soviet Union's "loss" was merely regarding human life and property. Human life has not any significant value as such for our lovely neighbour in the east. Human life and health is, as we speak, being wasted mindlessly in Ukraine
I know what happened to the captured weapons , my best mate " sudger " from Liverpool, was tasked with destroying a lot of them , smudger thought that it was a waste of such fine pieces , and sold some of them to man who wanted to buy them , ...he sold them to other people as well , ...anyway , he was rumbled , ...court Marshalled and sentenced to six years in barlinie prison in Scotland, ...after a while a nice man from the army visited smudger and said if he re-enlisted all would be forgotten, so he did , ( stupid bustard) and founded himself in Korea, ...where ten million Chinese had his photo in their wallets , with instructions to kill him , ...anyway smudger survived , and while travelling back to civilisation, the truck he was travelling in hit a land-mine , and smudger lost a leg , he never lost his sense of humour, he was one of life's characters, I am so happy that I knew him
Had some friends in college, one a dual French citizen nother an Italian, and the other an Estonan who all related that from about 1945 to 1955 there was plenty of equipment from all the combatants lying around and about for anyone to retrieve or hoard away but the penalty if caught with contraband was severe.
Zeitverschwendung!!!! Ich habe selten so einen zusammenhanglosen Unsinn gehört. Zeitverschwendung!!!
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Man this guy can really beat around the bush...
Say everything three times.
he who forgets will be destined to remember
Excellent explanation. Thanks sir
Lot's of German aammunition was sent on trains to Glasgow where it was trucked to ports on Scotlands west coast, Trawler skippers were paid to take the boxes out to sea and dump the stuff, there is a deep water chasm between Britain and Ireland but when it was misty, the skippers dumped the stuff when they were just offshore and spent the rest of the day Trawling. That's why the sea bed off Scotland is littered with bullets, grenades, shells etc.
My father served in the US Army during the end phase of the war in Europe, including the disarmament period. He described the German soldiers throwing their weapons in piles upon surrender. The American soldiers were charged with guarding the piles. The GIs were famous for mailing “souvenirs“ back home. Souvenirs were also traded between the GIs: the most prized being the hand guns issued to German officers.
You also failed to mention the Japanese weapons: the Soviets armed the Chinese Communist Army with everything that the Japanese abandoned in Manchuria. Without this equipment, China wouldn’t be communist today.
Can verify this.
My D-Day surviving Uncle said the exact, same thing and sent back countless firearms before they started X-raying packages sent home; stateside.
Then he smuggled more back when he sent home a captured German messenger motorcycle in 26 boxes. Everyone knew he was shipping home the bike and assumed all the steel was that.
I now have the motorcycle; a 1938 DKW. All the firearms he shipped back have disappeared with history.
Truman gave Greeks 20,000 captured Italian rifles to combat communist insurgency in late 1940's
My FIL was in USSTAF in St. Germaine France, which was a very small unit. When they sent him home right after the war, he said they were told taking home a German weapon on the ship would be a quick trip to Leavenworth. My sisters FIL finished OCS and was sent to Germany a couple months after the war. He told me he would pass by these "mile long" warehouses full of weapons and the MP's guarding them had a stack of duffle bags they handed out to anyone passing by and told to help their selves. He said if he'd known there was going to be the '68 gun control act, he would have taken a couple duffle's full of Walther PPK's...
Actually I was thinking about this yesterday on my daily walk.
They sold on the private market dude i also have a few colectibel firearms from that they been stored in saltmines in eastern europe cleaned up and sold on the private market decades later
I was stationed in Zweibruken Germany in 1968.There was a store at the kassern where you could buy guns including Walther PPks and P-38 s for $45 . Brand new still in the box. They are worth around $1000 now.
In grew up in NC. I remember Rose's dept store selling WW1 and 2 rifles for $20 to $50. Shelves were absolutely over flowing,some were really nice,some were junk....sure wish I would have bought a bunch of em now
You also need to include the absolute mountain of American and British weapons, also redundant after the war. Germany lost, so the overall was more allies weapons than German. These were also sold around the world fueling conflicts. As noted ISIS have some of these WW2weapons.
oh many resurfaced recently in ISISs hands
I've been a military historian for the most part when I was 8 and was gifted a paper route, I joined the military book club right after that as I was making money and could, that was September of 1972. The US/UK didnt supply German captured weapons to any country as they had huge amounts of surplus of their own which they could sustain. Pretty much any country that used German weapons those came from the USSR as they really stored and reconditioning them, the Western countries dumped vast amounts of German small arms into the sea.
All my K98's I have owned came from Russia.
Very interesting. Thank you.
in 1961 while on a convoy in Germany, we stopped at a German-run disposal site to spend the night, rifles and all sorts of equipment were stacked in piles everywhere, most of the rifles had been burned to remove the wooden stocks, and there were bunkers full of all sorts of weapons, I have pictures that I took of piles of unexploded bombs and other hardware
There was still a little bit of it around in the early 1980's when I was there. All of the cool stuff was long gone, but a guy in my company had half-track parts and other stuff like that he was bringing back to the US.
1965 German helmet sold for 1.25 gilders in Holland lol, 75 cents for one with a bullet hole in it
Hate to knock the work, but this video is a chopped-up mess. Mike Wallace (60 minutes TV) does a lousy job as a narrator too. Better history elsewhere.
The MIG 15 had a Rolls Roice jet engine that was legally sold to Urss from the Labour government
of the UK.
About the best sporting arms are built using Model 1898 Mauser rifle actions made in the Orberndorf Arsenal in Germany. They’re hard to find now and are very expensive.
This is an excellent video
I was stationed in Zweibruken Germany in 1968. At the kassern where we were billeted there was a store where you could buy guns . A Walther ppk or p-38 still in the box cost $45.
Interesting/informative/entertaining.
Had Germany won and captured allied weapons they wouldn’t want to study their inferior technology. 😂😂😂
My Dad had a Mauser sportaged for deer hunting
If all arms had been seized after Napoleon's initial defeat, Waterloo would never have been fought.
As brutal as World War 2 was, weapon technology really skyrocketed & is still evolving as far as small arms,battle tanks,field artillery,rocketry & missile technology,ships like our 11 giant aircraft carriers,destroyers,frigates, & huge fleet of nuke subs!!! The most powerful navy on earth!!! The Russian navy is big also,but their navy is NOT as good as ours!!! In WW 2, the German Luftwaffe sank almost all of their ships & now the Ukraine is sinking their ships!!!
When Americans swept thru Iraq in the invasion they came across German weapons...has to be plenty more floating around the world.
I know where one P38 went…
Kalishnicov 47. Best small arm ever.
There are so many eddies that look killer although this one from Killers is my favorite. I had long hair and did the same makeup back in the late 80s for a big rich guys Halloween party at the Spruce Goose in Long Beach, CA and looked so scary the girls wouldn’t dance with me but all the rockers wanted photos with me. Crazy good skills so please do some more Eddies from the great old albums
I have seen a German 98 rifle with German Eagle AND Chinese Letters on it. So must have been sent after the war to China or Taiwan for secondary markings.
日中戦争で国民党軍にドイツの軍事顧問が派遣されて、大量の武器も輸出されたようです。
Selling arms around the world
US-Canada lost a lot more against the Russia because there were tons of manpower, military etc were destroyed by subs during the atlantic crossings.
A lot of them,wound up in the Middle East
Very informational. However, you showed U.S. weapons as German, you showed videos of Japanese surrender as being Germans.
After that last shot is fired both sides realize you can’t eat a gun and you can’t plow with an artillery piece. Useless but for one useless thing ruining lives.
In canada they were melted down to make the blarmore rings to keep the water out of the potash mines there is a part off one at the saskatoon airport
My father brought a stick grenade and a luger back, they were hidden under the floorboards at 49 Lansdown rd. Leytonstone. Now a block of flats.....oops!
You seem to have left out about the USA also dumping WW2 guns, especially German ones into other countries. Heck Vietnam saw different guns from WW2 being used by covert assault teams because they were harder to trace back to the USA, groups like SOG did this all the time, even their knives used to be custom with out serial numbers to prevent the enemy from being able to say the attack came from the USA.
Who ended up with german scientists an engineers
I had a high school history teacher put it this way: the Russians got more of them, but the US got the better ones.
As a generalization, the US grabbed the Scientists (like Von Braun) and the Soviets grabbed the "Workers" (Engineering Staff) which gave the Russians a brief period of quick advantage since they had the tradespeople who knew how to fabricate the rockets etc. In the end though it was the Scientific Minds that proved more valuable for continuing development.
My dad spent a year throwing sheels into the north sea.
Mig 15 and Me 262 are total different aircrafts.
I bought a k98k captured by USSR and stored for 70 years
Those were American fragmentation grenade's.
Germans engineering technology was capitalized by the allies especially the US and Soviet Union after the fall of Germany the allied forces started to explore and research study the arsenals they captured from Germans.
Most got sold on the surplus market, I presume.
My dad led a bomb disposal (EOD) squad in WWII. He was a Tech Sgt, 3 stripes, 2 rockers. He worked with the Brits and then, by the Grace of God, he survived everything from D-Day to VE-Day. He told me that he should have been one of the first guys sent home, due to his time overseas. However, due to his MOS, he was kept over there... blowing up or disarming piles of German weapons. He finally got home in November of 1945. FYI: I have seen a photo of my dad's EOD graduation at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds. The sign says UXB#1.
You read ancient Greeks
And you get the bomb
Dimokritos
I want to know what happened to the rifles and muskets the Army of Northern Virginia laid down.
My dad brought back a captured tiger tank from Germany. He kept it hidden in the garage. After he passed away twenty years ago I didn't know what to do with it. It's still there but I don't have any ammunition for it.
Quite a task without computers and internet.
And it only took Three years
i got a 98 mauser with german eagles and swastikas all over it, its been sporterized
we got Von Braun....so there!
great video!!!!!
That is why they got first a satellite
My grandfather died Don river Stalingrad becsuse he have not was machine gun tank rocket grenade launcher defend himself very sad
I have them. I have them ALL.
And NO, Im not going to share
I have several German K98’s that were taken by Russia. And one from Yugoslavia.
Those were Italian
Yep you could buy Japanese artillery, rifles you name it and lots of it was sold in the sears catalog. Everything advanced went to USA research and development for the military. obsolete tanks went to eastern block countries to be sold to middle eastern countries.
I know I didn't get any : (
Along with all his flight gear my dad brought an 8MM Mauser home from WW 2. It had the Nazi logo on the bottom. I shot it and it did have some kick. But I think my 30-06 had as much power. But hat was in the 60's so I may be mistaken on the comparison. He also brought a nasty looking piece of shrapnel from his B-17 days.
Dragon Man!!!
lot of the German rifles after ww1 were turned into bolt action shotguns and sold on the American and I think European markets during the Great Depression and before. I bought a nice one from a police auction, they’re not fun to shoot because mine pierces the hell out of the primers. But for what I gave it can sit next to my original gewher 98
They tanks in the basement
V2 was far from guided, lol!!
i've always loved the fact that nazi guns and equipment ended up in israel where they helped the nation form. its actually kind of poetic.
well actually all given to israel. left over german soldier and many weapons used by france, holland etc in Far East to recapture old holdings there
Any them remaining are worth fortunes if you go by the current pieces of them today on the gun sales sites.
Sold as souvenir gi gift shop in harlem