Bill Simmons: Hawks trading Luka Doncic for Trae Young was a mistake | Jalen & Jacoby | ESPN
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- Jalen Rose, David Jacoby and Bill Simmons weigh in on Dallas Mavericks No. 3 overall draft Luka Doncic’s NBA preseason debut. Bill Simmons explains why the Atlanta Hawks made a mistake by trading the point guard to the Dallas Mavericks for Trae Young.
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Never thought Bill Simmons would be on ESPN again
Jordan Davis listen to his podcasts, everyone he had beef with is gone
Yeah wot happened cuh
Zoop D'Poop roasted skips lifestyle
Salvadore Andretti hahahah...... YES
@@Razorslash312 who did he have beef with?? And I thought he took a job at HBO or showtime
this aged well
I see your comment just after Luka and the Mavs beat Lebron and the Lakers. :D
Trae is very good, and that draft pick could be good.
But Luka Doncic is amazing! And with KP, they might be elite for years....
William Hooke Trae young better
@@atlproductions216 trae young is better than I tought but he is just a stat sheet stuffer he is bot playong winning basketball
These guys talked tanks of bs of Doncic... and then everybody knew he gonna be great...
@@atlproductions216 oh man, Trae is great, but he is NOT better than Luka.
Its the Pod Father, Bill Simmons!
Cue the 🎻 🎻🎻 playing The Godfather music
No that would be a Joe Rogan.
Anybody that knows basketball knows that the hawks trading Doncic for trae young is why they’ve always sucked as a franchise. They make dumb personnel decisions.
TheIVth it’s for the fans to come see trae because he got a buzz they don’t care bout winning 😂😂
Mike Jones i hope you’re joking my dude u sound stupid af rn lol
Shane Caudill who ?
yup oonly the kings are more dumb than them.but i also think the hawks REALLY,REALLY,REALLY want rj or zion.
Mike Jones Goran Dragic last year
Damn I totally forgot Mavs got little Giannis. Hope he does well
dosto karambas dude he's not talking about luka he's actually talking about giannis little brother he was the dude luka was doing the handshake with that had antetokoumpo on the back of his jersey number 37
Kostas is very raw talent-wise, if the Mavs can develop him well then sky's the limit
Justin Reyes, well they developed Powell into a much better player so I have faith. The guy has all the raw skills to be a baller. Its just putting all the pieces together. I agree sky's the limit with that kid.
@@ankey7384 BINGO, Bro. Something must be there because he is still on the roster too.
yes Kostas Antetokounmpo
Good to see Bill Simmons back on a show he helped build
Bill Simmons take aged well
No, it hasn't.
L
Luka is gonna be best player in draft
gg
Haha nope
@N2 Cat Crew u right homie
@@russh3550 ?
Atleast Trae Young has made the conference finals
This has aged amazingly well
Has it though?!?
How?
BRUH DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT SARCASM IS?
@@__________.. Where are the hawks now? Where are the Mavs? Dont get me wrong I like trae.He is a great scorer and passer even though he is kind of small and lanky and that is a liability on defense. But he is no Luka. By a wiiiide margin.
My Mavs making moves!!!
OGMillyMillz Vs Anybody still won’t make the playoffs 😂
Mike Jones haha bet u didn’t watch any of his games salty hawks fan
@@xkid.darkskin5178 stfu
@@mikejones9906 yo mama trash
reundre09 butthurt? 😂
I checked the suggested video 3 times to make sure it wasnt from 2013 or something when i saw BILL SIMMONS on it - the best thing on youtube for me has always been Bill & Jalen's NBA preview, real shxtty that it came and went so fast!!!
I’m a Hawks fan and I was pissed we traded down for Trae Young. If we wanted him so badly I’m sure we could’ve traded something else to get Trae Young
When Atlanta made that trade, my first thought was "Oh oh, here they go again!" They had a shot at greatness, but that's Atlanta's problem. They will always be a bottom feeder team. They lack the ability to recognize great talent and they only responded to emotion and hype.
EDIT: Congrats to Atlanta! Your team is no longer a bottom feeder. It appears that the Trae pick ended up working out after all. I still think that Luka is a better player, but Trae works well in your system.
prazertv the Hawks did trade Dominique Wilkins for Danny Manning when they had the best record in the East...
You know nothing about the Hawks
@Nimbus Shields @prazertv the GM of Atlanta was assistant GM of Golden State when they drafted Steph, Klay, and Draymond. The head GM of GSW that drafted them and built that team is on staff in Atlanta as head special advisor. It's not directionless it's on year 2 of a rebuild. The front office that is rebuilding it is essentially the team that built the current GSW team. Anyone that compares the current Hawks to past Hawks teams doesn't know what they are talking about. The ownership changed like 4 years ago, after Bud screwed up and let the entire 60 win team leave (among other mistakes) the entire front office was stripped of power and the team that built the GSW dynasty was given reign about 2 years ago.
The decision to trade Luka for Trae and a first rounder was a decision made by Travis Schlenk and Larry Riley (GM team that built GSW, Riley Curry (steph's daughter was named after Larry Riley btw) with heavy influence fro. Jerry West, who is a close mentor of Travis Schlenk also. Trae was drafted almost exclusively for his passing (NOT SHOOTING) and his ceiling (which we wont come close to seeing until about 4 years)
@@christ5687 These people (youTube haters) have no long-term vision. Let's just be honest here, even the guys calling themselves Atlanta fans here AREN'T fans. They are "winning bandwagons" riders, Atlanta is FULL of them. This guy 2-3 comments up, said they are bottom feeders. But how many years ago were they in the Divisional Finals? Like stop the hate and see how the ENTIRE organization is rebuilding, and they are sitting nice right now going into 2019 Draft. Said haters will then jump back on Atl's jockstrap saying how they knew "this" would happen.
Chris Toland ..WE LOOKING GOOD NOW BUDDY!!!! It Was A Great Trade In My Eyes Man💯💯..
He’s right. Trae Young is phenomenal but Luka is a generational talent. I’ve been saying this since day one
This aged like wine
Fastforward to now. Bill Simmons is a smart fella for seeing the future.
He only looked ahead 2 months though unfortunately
What future?
Naw he dum
Yup
My friend is STILL running around saying Atlanta made a good move lol he’s so stubborn
Lol..... look at the Hawks record... then look at the Mavs record.... Luka took a hopeless mavs team into a playoff team in two years. Your friend is not only ignorant, but his basketball IQ is severely lacking
Luka had the best bench in the league as well as a HOF coach. Trae had a 1st time head coach and arguably the worst supporting cast in the league. At least be knowledgeable about what you’re saying before you speak on it
@@mattofmatticus7746 dude it has nothing to do with his bench lol luka Is better period
@@GeronFletcher yes it does😂 basketball is a team sport my guy , learn the sport b4 u speak on iy
@@mattofmatticus7746 Best bench in league. You must be joking.
Thank you Atlanta
Lmao you're welcome. (-__-)
Agreed....thank y'all so much
Thanks for what hold your horses everyone acting like Dallas is going to run off 5 straight championships
Forrest Burnett shoot they gotta all star their first season over a volume scoring play maker I think they should be happy
No, thank you Dallas 😂😂. First round pick and trae, who is just as good as Luka
This has aged like fine wine. Simmons was way ahead of the curve.
Trae is killer just wait and see he will be mentioned as a top 5 player in a couple years like Luka
How?Explain 🤣🤣🤣
What? Sorry can’t find who luka played in the conference finals. Still looking though.
@@benshelton7529 yeah like he's now talk of the town as a trade chip for the Hawks LMAO!
Great to see Bill back with the crew
Here after Luka drops 73 on the hawks 😂😂
As a Hawks fan I was pissed that we passed on him and took Young, but.... I think this was more about taking a huge chance at him becoming a star (one we havent had in the ATL since Nique) and getting people to the games. Now Luka was way safer, but Young has a higher ceiling to me, but also def. bust potential. That being said, way too early to discuss who won and lost this trade. Give both like 3-4 years.
Not to mention the Hawks got the Mavs pick for next year. We can possibly have 2 top 10 picks
dallas might go to the playoffs no way for their pick to be top 10
minus loosing schroeder to play young
I know a lot of people are going to talk about the trade for years to come but honestly I hope Young works out for the Hawks. They knew how much Luka meant to that team and for that fact of throwing us a huge solid as a mavs fan, I am hoping building through their picks works out well for them.
@nicebagel Luka at the worst will be a solid NBA player for many years. Young is either going to be a super star or a bust. I just dont see Luka becoming a huge star in the league. Could be very wrong, but he just strikes me as someone with very limited upside. (He will be the best rookie tho, no doubt)
Preciate it ATL👏🏾
Thought Bill Simmons was in exile with Ryen Rusillo.Their both kinda back. Good Hoops guys.
Bill Simmons is the same guy that said Ricky Rubio was gonna be a top 5 point guard in the league and that he was better than Steph and James Harden
He is a point guard in the league
BRUH. What is this comment?
justanothersoullostinthedepths of temptations it didn’t come out correct it says top 5 point guard
But he also admits when he is wrong, which is rare
He was Injured asf, u seen him at 100% locking down an MVP Westbrook in playoffs stop playing wit rubio dude
I can never take this show seriously 😂
givin me some OG grantland vibes. love seeing bill jalen and jacoby together!
When the hawks need someone who can score and is a star and can play USA ball, but people still give them shit bc they didn’t get a playmaker from the euroleague.
Damn Simmons was right
Are you sure?
Are you Sure? (I don't think busts put up 49 before they turn 20]
Sure?
@@MikeCheckMikeG pretty sure. Pretty sure. You should delete your reply.
@@fojemo1661 nah.....2 games? You sill AF
Hawks think Trae Young is Steph Curry...............silly stuff😂
Mavs fans think Luka is Larry bird 😂
I have literally never heard of Luka being compared to Larry Bird., they aren't even remotely the same style. Like comparing Trae to Magic Johnson.
Seven Grand
Lmfao major facts
@@805fillmore nobody has said that, shut yo dumbass up
Seven Grand I think u mean they HOPE he is like Bird😂😂😂
5/30/21 I'm looking at the ATLvNYK score with 7 minutes left (103-78) Trae looks like a monster. No shade to Luka, he's incredible. This take (and the subsequent years of BS complaining) did not age well. ATL was bound to find the right formula of players around Trae and let's face it he had to mature.
And now Trae's posting 28 and 9.5 while Luka's play has been on the decline the past 2 seasons due to poor fitness.
Both are MVP caliber players at their best, but Trae's getting more out of his game right now.
@@J-Hue dude please just stop. Luka isn’t on the decline, that’s absurd. Luka is still the clear better player, he does literally everything better but shoot the three and free throw and even then if Luka gets out of this slump he could be a better three point shooter
@@J-Hue stop using what you use. It doesn't help you.
luka on the decline 💀 bro averaging 37 rn and career 33/8/8 in playoffs
@@J-Hue
Who is Luka playing in the WCF? I'm just curious.
Luka still better player.
give it up, Luka is miles ahead of Trae
Now ??
The warriors
Atlanta should not have traded away Luka, but two possible top 10 picks next year is pretty sweet ngl
On paper. If both end up being busts then you have a whole lot of sadface emojis
MarshallPl They should have traded him away or drafted another player. Doncic isn't a star. He's a decent to above average NBA player at best.
Benny Ehud nigga shut up
oflightz if luka ends up being a bust I can say the same thing to you
@@thuggathuggababy I gotta keep talking, my nigga lol I just tell the truth.
In college they said he’s too small for the nba he’s gonna be another jimmer it’s pretty disrespectful to compare him to a 2x mvp 3 time nba champion steph curry I think donte divincenzo has a higher ceiling than Trae young-✅
At the draft they said this is a mistake probably one of the worst trades of the century Trae young will be a average pg at best Luka will be the next generational talent-✅
During summer league was doubted and called a bust before even stepping on to a nba court-✅
First half of his rookie year see what we said he’s a straight bust Atlanta will regret this trade for years that gm needs to go -✅
2nd half he’s better than we thought but he’s never gonna be a luka Doncic he’s never gonna be a all star or anything but he’s decent at best- ✅
Rookie of the year see we told u it wasn’t going be close luka should have won unanimously he’s that much better it was never close to begin with -✅
2nd year Makes all star starters team why is trae young a all star starter look at butler and all these other stars this is just ridiculous to have him as a starter look at the record he isn’t deserving of being on the team-✅
2nd year Trae is killing it but i don’t know if the hawks are a great team look at luka he’s putting up great numbers and actually has his team in the playoffs and I don’t know if Trae can be a leader and a number one scoring option on a championship team I just don’t think he can get them close to the playoffs -❓
People keep asking me if I feel pressure. But I don't feel pressure. I realize there's a lot on my plate, a lot of expectations for me to come in and win and do certain things. But I'm just playing the way I always have.- Trae Young
Yeah- this aged well
Someone explain to me how bill is back on espn?
Bill managed to make it on to at least two ESPN shows this week. Great look for my guy
This didn't age well. Mavs weren't good, but Trae Young certainly is. Experts....
Uhm they are like 4 games out of 500. They get on a run the can easily be a playoff team
@@kohsmoger1567 nah. They're tanking
Joe Cochran then their doing a really bad job at it
Koh Smoger lol
Hawks make one of the biggest mistake of draft history😂😂😂
Nah
*Mavs
Trae’s better than Luka
@@jongendich5268 lol trae should be in the playoffs bc he's in the weaker east conference
Hey its that guy who used to be on HBO. Cool nice beard.
A team going for a 5’11 guard will never not be a mistake
Honestly they are both going to be fine.
Luka is better though
@@keishlamontes2190 not
@@russh3550 he is though do you even watch the nba
@@keishlamontes2190 Yeah but my guess is you don't actually watch Trae play.
@@russh3550 i do actually and i watch Luka play and Luka is better
23 likes, 0 dislikes. At least the early crowd is smart and knows Atlanta messed up lol
Ximien Lum 141 likes 1 dislikes now. Obviously 1 dislike from some fool in Hawks organization.
I got like number 1000
@@805fillmore 25 and 15? Sounds like your the dumb one here lmao. You telling me he's gonna be one of the all time scorers and the best facilitator in history? C'mon lol. 25 and 15 is asking too much of anybody. That means he's scoring a quarter of the points and then assisting on another 15%. He'd be the greatest PG of all time lol
Ximien Lum Hawks may have messed up. But it has nothing to do with Doncic. They could have gotten ANY player besides Ayton and Bagley. And they went with Trae Young. We'll see how that goes. But they won't regret not taking Doncic lol
This just in Atlanta did not mess up
I think that kid was BORN to be this good. He literally is just fuckin skilled and once he start weights like crazy shit is gonna be scary
Aged well, they still over emphasize workouts though. If he impressed that much in first preseason game, then all those scouts passing on him were idiots.
This let's you know these guys have no idea what they are talking about. Being paid to be wrong about stuff.
LOL. Bill was spot on. Luka is in the top 10 of all time greatest trajectory while Trae maybe top 100 players of all time.
lmao
Comparing Luka and Trae at this point is just not even fair
People said the same thing about Jimmer Fredette, Adam Morrison and a host of other players.
So you're comparing a pint-sized, unathletic volume shooter and a mentally shakey dude who collapsed in the NCAA final to a kid who's won titles against grown men in a much better league, and even won the effing league MVP doing it?
Who the HELL compared him to jimmer??? They are both white thats about the only comparison.
oh fuck you, honestly
peterman5552 yeah trae young is jimmer 2.0 I agree
Bill Simmons and Jalen would be super dope on Showtime. Bill has no filter and Jalen is the real deal
Thought the same thing when the trade went down. This had the potential to be one of the worst trades ever. Still I think young has some potential. The kid definitely has elite vision and reminds me a lot of steve nash. If he could get to that level at least it wouldn't be so bad
No it isn't. You need to wait 3 to for seasons to judge. You need to know what he becomes plus Trae and what they get for the Mavs picks. If Trae become a Steph and that pick becomes a Klay they win the trade. They are in the East and have a easier chance to pop than in the West. Give it time. This can't be predicted for a few years
Congrats on the only comment that is correct
We don’t know what they get next year with pick?
It could even be Luka Doncic
Depends on if it was a protected pick and how bad (or good) the Mavs play this year. I don't imagine they get that good of a player tho
Kaleb pye I imagine they get a superstar with that pick to make Cuban pay for his actions.
If the Mavs make the playoffs they get their pick back, so it's going to be interesting to see how screwed the Hawks really are.
Hawks will have some good picks next year they'll be much better in 2 seasons.
Luka is going to be in the hall of fame. Trae Young is going to be Jeff Teague.
glad they knew
Keep sleeping on Trae.
im gonna laugh my ass of at that clown, that retarded franchise and the sorry fucks who have to be fans of that show
Yeah he sucks
SuperMrFriendly yea laugh now bud
@@robinrobin613 ???
@@robinrobin613 bruh you watched a summer league game
Didnt Bill Simmons have a beef with ESPN? 🤔
I heard ESPN changed management recently, that might be why he is back
@@ssb2828
Hopefully, i might tune into ESPN's draft coverage again if he comes back.
SSB 28 he’s not back, he was just a special guesy
HBO bombed lmao
Stretch Mark 4? How does that differ from a stretch 4?
When bill come back💪👍
NO SHIT. But in all seriousness he not even playing in a real NBA game yet. And he has great court vision and passing, and for the shooting he not going to be a Steph Curry but I think he will be one of the best off the dribble shooters in the NBA.
He play against okc with 16 years and win that mach with real madrid
Yeah
let's go mavs!
This show was sooooooo much better with Bill Simmons on it.
Bill Simmons, always seems to know what he is talking about, regardless of the sport.
Is a win win trade
stop over projecting. Let them boys play first.
what up Bill!
Of all TV specialist , Simmons is the king, simply because he is not an idiot!
Lets see how Luka fairs against a real team in the 76ers
well he schooled them xD the boy can play
How about the warriors
Why even do such a pointless segment nobody is anybody yet
Until I see this luka kid put up 30 on a top tier NBA Team, they need to hop off the hype train. Watch he underperforms this season
Who the fuck really cares besides the warriors and lakers everybody’s pretty much irrelevant
thank you
Ayzoh with your narrow minded mentality, that’s why the NBA is a joke. They try to shove the Warriors, LeBron & the Lakers up the fans assess.
@@SinaSoh the nba a joke your comment is a joke
and after year one...
Since when has Bill been back on ESPN?
SO TRADING A PLAYER THAT EVENTUALLY LED YOU TO YOUR FIRST ECF APPEARANCE IN 4 YEARS WAS A MISTAKE? DIDNT AGE WELL
3 years*
Yep look at him now
luka magic
Was a fluke run , how about now
Your comment aged like milk. Luka is now headed to the finals and is the best player in the world right now.
We definitely miss Bill Simmons he knows basketball
Jalen and Luka are actually good comps... Both big guards that might not be quick but they use their size effectively to shield the ball and get by people. Plus, Luka might get stronger and faster with NBA training...
Big facts everyone complaining cause Luka is slow but he hasn't even worked out in a NBA setting for a full season yet
This aged well. Lol
IT'S BECAUSE ATLANTA NEEDED TO BRING ATTENDANCE REVENUE.
Trae young fits the "welcome to Atlanta"
in what world would you rather go see young live and in action than luka doncic?
is it because its a black city?
@@SuperMrFriendly we are just following GSW's game plan as after we hired former GSW's GM. It's fun to see a player jack up 3's like its nothing
lol he won rookie of the year😂✍🏽
Will Peter and know he can win the mvp
Ok
Bill Simmons seems like the kind of guy who thinks his opinion is fact
Trading Luka Doncic for Trae Young was a good decision as a hawks fan. Everyone forgetting about John Collins and Trae Young. Trae and Doncic are both great players, and this trade was not a mistake.
What are suppose to say you are a Hawks fan.
Damn what did trae young do to yall😭😭 y'all acting like y'all can beat him 1on1 or sumn no matter who they drafted y'all acting like they still ain't getting next year 1st pick they can try again
They been trying since the franchise was created, and yeah i better hope he can beat me in a 1v1 he's a nba player, still doesn't mean he's good duh
Luka could've beat him 1v3 first round picks that the Hawks got
Yall
He must be yall girl fav player the way yall hating😷 most of yall pray to be in his position but still hating smh you boys sick sick
Truth hurts you know..
I have one thing to say to this lol😂😂😂😂
how about now?
Only time I've heard Bill Simmons give an accurate prediction.
Trading doncic for young was a great business decision that fits great for the future if the team.
Atlanta was looking to trade dennis prior to the draft anyway and was looking for suitors all the way back in january. They needed a replacement at the position and young was the most tantalizing and talented player at the position in the draft.
Drafting doncic and keeping him would not make sense for a few reasons. Hawks still have a near immovable bazemore contract and prince starting. They are still hoping out for dorsey and bembry to show they belong. If the kept doncic it was have made a couple of the recent picks atlanta has made a waste. On top of this where are the 30 minutes a night going to come from? Prince and bazemore were two of the best players from laast years team anyway so they will demand minutes from the get go.
Aside from this the hawks nabbed a future pick feom dallas which has a high chance to convey in 2019.
Lastlyatlanta isnt looking to win this year but develop all the talent. Huerter doesnt look ready right now due to his recent handwrist injury and spellman has been solid but isnt starter material yet but could be in the future.
Hawks are looking for a pair of top 10 picks next year with the hopes of one of them being top 5. Bill simmons doesnt have an inkling what atlanta is doing because he doesnt follow the teams moves rumors or position in the league from a money standpoint.
You still sure he was wrong😂
Chill, Luka is gonna be an all star for sure,.but maybe Trae is the second coming of Curry, give the kid some time, Trae HAS potential!
Is the mavs good this year? Asking for a friend 🤣🤣🤣🤣
👀
Damn!!! miss this no nonsense guy Bill Simmons
Luka😮
This didn't age well
No it did not let’s go hawks
This comment aged horribly.
Y’all gonna eat your words when Trae young starts balling tf out #keepthatsameenergy
You just salty Luka is better lol.
No I’m salty bc he thinks Trae young isn’t up there with him . I actually like Luka
Finally some Mavs lovin!
Fan of B Simms but Trae Young is gonna be nice in this league
They will both be starting in the 2020 All-Star Game in their sophomore seasons.
Bill Simmons embarrassed by Atlanta sports...yet again.
Young and Doncic are different calibre of players. Bill got it spot on
@jo tr Lol these comments aged like dogshit. AGAIN Atlanta sports embarrasses skeptics.
oh look bill simmons was wrong again
No he isn't
Nope
Everybody keeps saying he played in the second best league but 8 of the 10 best players in the league right played in the NCAA. LeBron didn't play college ball but would have before going to Europe
We still havent seen the player the hawks are gonna get from the pick next year, in not a huge fan of trae young but him and whoever the nexf pick is gonna be may be collectively better tham luka
Aged like milk
Your comment definitely did. Luka is the best player in the world now
Well atlanta got a 30 10 Guard so keep hating
My nigga bill is back!
I think the dallas mavericks will be fun team to watch this season especially with Kostas A
Have him play against a NBA team first
Rick Garcia Facts
Does that mean Trae is a bust since he couldn't perform well vs NO?
Jrock420blam
Y’all act like a rookie can’t have a off shooting night y’all won’t talk about He was + 13 had 8 assist and team won by double digits tho that night and he faced a playoff team in his first actual game against a real nba team lmao
@@thebutlerdidit365 ironic you say that like Trae shouldn't be held to the same standard Luka is being held too. Trae couldn't make an open shot and he gets a pass, while the bench won the game for him. Luka plays well and somehow he's slow and not as good. The logic is astounding lol
Jrock420blam
I never said that Dlo is slow and he’s good I think doncic is great. Trae did other things good in that game besides score even tho he had a off night he still got double digits so he will be good
Luka is better right now but Trae has more potential and can do more for the hawks
Luka is better then Trey his whole life and not just now.lol
Damian X
Can y’all stop suckin off Luka so much like that’s a rediclous comment like what luka did in the euro league is uncommon but trae literally lead ncaa in points and assist in the same season nobody ever did that so they both have respectable feats like damn can we be logical and compare them by mid season atleast I hate casual nba fans I swear
TheButler DidIT and in turnovers. He’s overrated asf
@@thebutlerdidit365 Stfu
Haven't seen his face in a while, he looks older he knows basketball
Nope
Everbody sleeping on doncic but with the pressure off dsj I think they'll both be imediate stars this year