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- The Flying Reporter finds out about a new training app that can help you improve your radiotelephony.
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I've found VATSIM quite good for practicing RT - with a "real" virtual controller talking to you, and "real" virtual pilots on frequency too, there is definitely a pressure to perform!
PilotEdge too.
Brilliant idea. I like to think of RT as learning a song. You need to learn all of the words, in the right order. This way we know what to say, and what they will be saying back to us.
There’s an app here in Germany Called “VFR Flugfunk Simulator”. It offers procedures in German and in English. Runs on Mac & Windows too. It shows approach & airport plates and offers different approach and departure scenarios.
The solution shown here looks good too. I’ll have a look at it!
Great videos.
VATSIM and IVAO are great and free as long as you have a flight sim. (in UK)
I am currently S2 rated meaning I control tower downwards and we have to train for 20+ hours to get the rating so we are as professional as possible. If you can't afford readability 5, and own a flight sim I highly suggest VATSIM!!
If you’re a student, I can recommend doing role play with a fellow student (or qualified pilot friend) to practice. That’s what we did when I was training a long time ago. The concept behind the app looks good, though. However you learn, you can’t do it by reading only: practice, practice, practice.
What a great idea this app is!! Radiotelephony is the one thing that always has concerned me about getting into aviation. I'm an introverted man who has problems speaking to other people clearly at times, never mind ATC lol! It's more of a social anxiety thing that effects my speech sometimes but I feel I should be ok after a while in aviation due to the repetitive nature of the radio calls, I would get used to it eventually. But yeah I'm still very nervous about radiotelephony, but this app will definitely help me with the nerves. Thank you jon & the two gentleman behind the app too!
You're not alone. It isn't natural to speak to hundreds of listening ears in a foreign language.
I've had my licence for two years now and I still find the radio the most stressful, especially reading back a long clearance. I always push myself by speaking to a controller or a zone transit for my flying
Keep pushing..the only way to imrpove.
The best bit of advice I ever received when starting out was to learn at a bigger airport. I did all of my PPL and later IR training out of a US Class C airport. Never had an issue with the radio again. This website looks excellent! Great job.
I trained at a bigger airfield, and it certainly sharpened up my RT. (Those poor controllers that had to put up with me though!) But I wasn't so confident when it came to the smaller fields with A/G.
No way! It's max, I did my rt course and the exam with him at deanland. Splendid chap
The fact that you only get to practice RT while flying is a big factor, but that's the same as most of the other aspects. One thing that helped me tremendously was using flight sim with Vatsim. Using Vatsim you can practice RT whenever you feel like.
I tried VATSIM, but it always seems to be people covering Heathrow or Gatwick in the UK. Always felt abit odd asking to land my C172, and often was just told to use SafetyCom, so not helpful.
@@SpectrumGeeks depends how you use it. Nothing stopping you doing VFR circuits at Gatwick, I've done that before. Obviously there are only controllers in certain places and it depends who's online, so you need to check that before flying.
@@sheldonholy5047 Sadly I did ask to do VFR circuits at Gatwick and they denied my request.
So I didn't bother with VATSIM again. Perhaps its worth another look, as I want more practice in prep for going for my FRTOL.
@@SpectrumGeeks fair enough, it is heavily dependent on who's online at a given time. Some of the UK controllers are arrogant little shits but most of them are excellent.
If they're busy I wouldn't ask for circuits but you could fly VFR from say Gatwick to Heathrow. If you can get comfortable on vatsim then it's a piece of cake IRL.
@@sheldonholy5047 Ha ha you read my mind.
That Gatwick to Heathrow idea is a great one, might try that.
Thanks.
I am not perfect on the radio but I take every opertunity to fly through airspace to practice the radio in flight but like most I learnt on the "Hoof" as they say.
OMG! The blue and white 152 G-BPME you spotted taking off is the aircraft I used to fly from VVB at Southend! I think she is based at Elstree now. Anyway, Readability 5 looks at great app, as you say many pilots avoid transits and go miles out of their way for lack of R/T confidence.
It didn't look like it was going to take off!
Very useful… will be recommending it to my French students preparing to take their English language proficiency test.
This is great news.
I helped another student pilot awhile back with radio calls using a prepared PLOG and Zoom. It was helpful to both of us playing the part of the Tower or ATC as well as pilot but it was clunky and probably not 100% accurate either!!
Well done guys - I'll give it a go.
Keep the videos coming Jon, it keeps me interested while I wait for our grass strip to dry out!!
Excellent. Liked that you were helping each other out. Radiotelephony is a poorly trained and practised skill.
Wish I'd had such access to great Apps such as this during my training 30 years ago!
What a good idea, when I learnt the air to ground at Sandown I just had to pick it up from other staff
Very interesting application ! All marks for these two fine gentlemen. We loved your approach towards this video, as usual. Fine greetings from EBAW. Jan & Anne-Marie
Thanks Jan and Anne.
Looks really good. I have watched several videos with two pilots and the PNFs operating the radios. Even then, they can get into a muddle and get tongue-tied.
Yep. It's not easy.
I have just ordered it as it looks like a useful learning aid. Good value at £45 for the full package.
A very good addition to training aide, yes a much neglected area should go over well.
Absolutely fantastic ... I was looking for EXACTLY this ... I tried the FREE Demo it's an amazing starting point for me.
I need this! Great video, thanks Jon.
Don't we all
8:15 - PEN-PEN, declaring ink failure
I had a quick look at this, there's no validation on what you say. I literally said "blah blah blah", and got the green tick complete. I've been 25 years not flying and now getting back into it. Having to pick up the RT procedures has been interesting as i am a little rusty. Some American products have speech recognition, to validate what you say as a pilot. It has potential. Like others I used VATSIM, to get upto speed.
This is brilliant! You guys should really get in touch with Austin Meyer, make him build this into x-plane
I was very lucky , as i have been a amateur radio operator for 30 years i wasn't Bothered by radio at all ,
a mate said he was so intimidated by the radio he gave up flying !
SAD .
Robert
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Australia
VK2LOZ
I tuned just to here you say radiotelephony. 🙂
Like it. as a new PPL, I found RT to be as big issue, but given the school at Elstree made us go through Luton class D several times, a transit is not as bad as some people feel. And although I use a pencil in stead of a pen, I have still managed to loose that in flight.
You need to find a way to tie your pencil to your kneeboard!
@@TheFlyingReporter working on it :-)
I’m learning at a tiny uncontrolled airfield and worried that I’m going to come out with crap radio skills. This might be the answer!
I need this. I tend to fly similar routes and so certain things are much less familiar. The biggest issue is if the controller says something you weren't expecting like the squawk. The brain was already repeating the clearance. What you can do is read back what you remember and then the controller will only clarify the missed bit which is better and shorter than asking to repeat the whole thing. Not sure if that's official but its efficient.
That's the thing with RT. It does follow a pattern, but occasionally, you're given something you weren't expecting. It'll come.
@@TheFlyingReporter I think for private pilots its probably too long between flights to reinforce what's been learned. Fortunately despite it sounding like gobbledegook to the layman there are only a handful of phrases to learn. The bit that often throws me is when you get reference to a waypoint that you didn't know existed until 10 seconds ago, especially if the controller has a strong accent. Like proceed not above 2500 report abeam "ear bead"- so now I'm looking at the map and wondering what the hell are they on about? And afraid that the Scottish controller will think you're taking the mick if you repeat it as heard. Or the controller that has clearly had half a dozen espressos that you have to ask them 3 times to repeat. Sounding confident makes a dramatic difference to how well you get on with controllers, make it sound like a statement rather than a question.
What a great app I will get this even though I've been flying since the 80's and then there was a cassette based course which we thought was the business Thanks again Jon.
I have the cassette still somewhere!
I had that too. I used to play it in the car on long journeys and get strange looks from other drivers...
Very useful, I will be giving this a go. Great Video.
Looks good. I’ll share with the club. ATB
Thats really useful!! If I could add one tip it would be to add other accents as I get far too comfortable with a certain voice. When i end up speaking with a perfectly lovely woman with an indian accent, it throws me off... same if it were an american bloke. Realistically if your flying A to B in the UK with a zone transit, your likely speaking with 3 different people...might add more realism perhaps? Either way, I will certainly be signing up :)
👍Would be good if it is incorporated in Msfs 2020 or Xplane where ATC is not good and even worse for UK, Vatsim is ok but underresourced
Haven’t u ever used VATSIM? On flight sims, that’s how i learnt RT for my PPL, and not only just IFR big jets, but VFR flights too. Gets u used to all the radio speak, and makes u so much more confident cos u know what everyone is saying and what it all means. Highly rate it, but this app is also very good 👍😁
I'm currently in an online class to learn R/T, so your app comes too late for me (looks great btw!). I find this class pretty spicy, but learn so much more than only the talk. Lots of homework tho. An instructor is acting as ATC and other frequencies. We use software to simulate the radios. When I make a mistake, he gives funny reactions (and I'm like.. whooops!)
That looks a cool app.
This looks like a great app.
I do think some people are naturals when it comes to RT, there is a US pilot on CZcams called Stevie Triessenberg and her RT is astonishing and she doesn’t appear to be jotting it down , she can just recall it straight away. I have always had to scribble RT info down 😂
This would have made RT so much easier when I was doing my PPL, my radio skills are a combination of reading CAP413 and learning on the fly as it where.
Great video Jon 👌👌
Thanks Lee.
Does it know what you’re saying or does it just send a series of pre recorded messages and assumes you gave the correct response?
Nice idea but only 50% implemented. Absolutely no validation by the App of what you're saying, which is a pity.
I’m not downcrying the Readability 5 website, because it does look to be genuinely useful in helping to learn radio telephony, but you seemed to miss out some important points Jon. To legally use the radio in an aircraft you have to have a Flight Radio Telephony Operators Licence (FRTOL), and to get that you have to sit a written and a practical exam. (The aircraft also has to have a radio licence, but that’s just a matter of paying OfCom the licence fee). There are a number of Radio Telephony examiners around the country (like the first gentleman you spoke to), and they typically run ground school classes over a number of weeks, learning the radio telephony “language” CAP 413 (a riveting read from the CAA, seriously it is very comprehensive), practicing with the instructor and in a group, and then culminating in the exams. No-one should be trying to learn RT up in the air whilst flying the airplane, you should be doing it on the ground in a safe environment.
I thoroughly enjoyed my RT course, I learnt a lot of practical stuff about airspace, transits, control zones, etc, more so than I did in Air Law, and it really opened up my flying for me. Readability 5 looks as if it could supplement that training, but first and foremost get booked onto a proper RT course and learn and practice it properly.
PS: At the start you talked about your shortest flight. I can beat that, 2.5 miles from Sandy to Old Warden for a Proms evening in black-tie and ballgowns. Barely out of the circuit before had to retune the radio and join the new circuit!
I want to start my PPL later this year, but in the meantime I’ve been doing a bit of simulator flying using the VATSIM network. I’ve been told by actual pilots that it’s about 90% accurate to real life… can anybody else attest to this? My hope is that by practising my working of the radio on VATSIM, I can focus entirely on learning to fly the plane and avoid the panic and confusion that comes with communicating.
Hi Matthew. I suppose it depends on who's operating on VATSIM. If my experience is anything to go by, the people on there are very, very good.
Are you sure your plane is a PA28 as you said ? I own a PA28R-200 Arrow II and as is a P28R
Aren’t you confusing the ICAO code (the one you put in your logbook and if you file a flight plan) with what you say on the radio?
@@JacobDlougach I always used P28R both on FP and radio
It's still a PA28, albeit a PA-28R-201T.
Brilliant but will it understand a Scouse accent? 😂😂😂😂
Haha.
Why don't you talk about the bad relationship and destructive autocracy as the result of the EU/CAA on this subject ?
The GA industry has had enough of this; and want government reform at the CAA to promote industry growth.
Wanting to change a home address we contacted the CAA to inform them of the new information on the register. NINE months later they replied..
You will have to retake my existing ,RT exam and prove that you can speak English at level 6, an old EU regulations which applied to EU pilots who did not take their original exam in English.
Several legal problems arise from this..
On this occasion the original examination was conducted in English with an UK native speaking citizen in English which had been passed by the CAA through examination. Clearly the recognition of existing qualifications through examination is a fundamental Human Right and cant be re-examined or alter an exist UK license. Existing confusion at the CAA came from the conversion from the UK PPL to ESA regulations during EU membership and the reversal of those EU regulations back to UK regulation.
This on the face of it is an illegal request by the CAA under UK and European law in the fundamental convention of human rights which now is incorporated within UK law by not recognising qualifications by examination.
So what is is happening here ? The CAA has mis interpreted the UK and European law to not define those examinations approved in languages other than those English examinations approved by the CAA already granted by English examination. English speakers after passing examinations in English are subject to regular checks by CFI at club level.
We all recognise a commercial airline need in recruitment for CPL by airlines but not examination twice for the same qualification already recognised in law. This confused state at the CAA seems to be fiscal drag on the industry which has already suffered from the Pandemic and rising fuel costs. A legal challenge may now be mounted as the CAA seems to be in total confusion about the exit from the EU which GA pilots will no longer put up with.
I think you have your rules and rights confused and are barking up the wrong tree.
Firstly, it is not the EU but EASA and as such EASA regulations may well not be covered by any ‘civil’ rights, especially as you quote Human Rights legislation which applies to everyone on the street but does not cover licensing or qualifications. Those licences are earned not given as a right so please do not conflate the two.
Next, each NAA (National Aviation Authority) are able to vary the EASA rules within certain guidelines, as is seen by how the regulations are applied differently across several EASA members. So to ask a non-EASA member to apply a rule they do not recognise will get you nowhere.
Next is the issue of the ELP levels below Level 6, which require revalidation every so often. For an ELP Level 5 it is 6 years. This could change. It can also be revoked, as I witnessed recently. Unless you are a ‘native speaker’ you will have to revalidate your ELP anyway so asking the UK CAA to accept an outdated ELP test is well outside their level of acceptance. You will need to do another test at some point.
In essence, I gather you are complaining about having to do, and pay for, something you think you have a right to be accepted without any oversight or inquisition. There are too many who want to circumvent the rules and by doing so they lower standards and hence safety. Don’t be one of those who wants to get around the rules and instead put your efforts and money into safety, not oblique arguments about civil rights that do not apply. You are barking up the wrong tree, if indeed there is a tree to bark up for your rather confused argument.