Is it SYSTEM or TALENT that is holding St Kilda back? The AFL Round Table - SEN
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- Gerard Healy, Kane Cornes, Luke Hodge and Sam Edmund discuss all of the hot topics that came out of Round 16 which included St Kilda's struggles, the frustration of the Crows, Collingwood's midfield worries, concerns for the Bombers and more!
0:00 - 1:18 - St Kilda v Port Adelaide
1:24 - 2:36 - Jason Horne-Francis
3:09 - 5:30 - St Kilda's struggles
5:31 - 8:29 - Max King
8:31 - 12:10 - Gold Coast Suns
12:13 - 13:39 - Tagging
13:48 - 15:20 - GWS Giants
15:22 - 16:50 - The frustration of the Crows
16:52 - 19:02 - Rory Lobb
19:04 - 20:40 - Sydney Swans
20:45 - 21:33 - Fremantle
21:34 - 22:28 - Hawthorn
22:33 - 23:47 - Tom Stewart's positional change
23:50 - 27:31 - Fears for the Bombers?
27:38 - 28:09 - Tyson Stengle
28:10 - 30:33 - Mentality at Essendon
30:34 - 32:03 - Geelong's new look forward line
32:14 - 35:00 - Magpies' midfield worries
35:02 - 35:43 - Collingwood v Essendon
36:42 - 37:42 - Darcy Moore
37:44 - 40:10 - Brisbane v Melbourne - Sport
System, let's bring in runners in Henry and Wilson and start playing chip kick defensive footy. Cya Roscoe
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If Lyon had the midfield port Adelaide has or Sydney has he could coach differently I’m surprised they got that close to the team with the best midfield in the game well done stkilda coaches
Port dont have the best midfield in the game.
This will be good,who’s is then?
Lyon coaches the same no matter who he’s coached.
@@markuswilmes3694 carlton, Sydney, dogs, freo, statistically collingwood but not on paper, and essondon are also about equal.
lol
I bet Hardwick wishes he only had to drive 10 mins down the road for an away game like he did at Richmond. 😂
The longer Mitch Owens plays under Ross Lyon the more despondent he gets. He is hardly recognisable from the player he was last season.
He needs to be on-ball way more than he currently is, but he just doesn't have the tank for it. 1 or 2 more preseasons and he'll be a gun mid
Agreed it takes years to build tye fitness required to play midfield and they rate him so highly so he’ll learn every part of the game
Lyon plays such a dour, defensive system. His teams will always struggle to kick winning scores consistently because that's not what he sets them up for.
He'd rather hold you to 40 and kick 41, than engage in a shoot out
You're regurgitating what every single brainless Ross hater says. Ross WANTS to mix a fast and fluid attacking element to match his signature defensive style, but he just doesn't have the cattle to do so just yet. St Kilda are in the midst of rebuilding its midfield and adding more smart, classy users than can deliver i50. Sadly, what you're seeing now is a coach having to set his side up for damage limitations, since he doesn't want his team going down by 5-10 goals most weeks 'cause that's an easy way to lose even more of the struggling fan base and have even more criticism piled onto the club
Exactly
@TNT_12 Signature defensive style you say? That's quite high praise, is this your CZcams burner Ross?
Every coach would love to blend rock solid defense with fluid attack. It's the football holy grail. Unfortunately, it appears to be well beyond Mr Lyons' grasp.
As his brainless critics will point out, along with his overly defensive game plans (which is counter to the modern game of attacking and holding inside 50), his team set up and list management are pretty poor, which is reflected in their ladder positions and %. So far he's joined St Kilda and Fremantle who had pretty solid lists when he got there, and in their 5th year of his tenure they're free-falling out of the 8.
Ross isn't the coach you want going forward, and he's never short on excuses and fingers to point when the wheels fall off.
@@bestgirlchie534 He's led teams to 3 grand finals, a feat that eclipses the vast majority of coaches ever to coach the game. I'm not saying he's the coach I want coaching us for the next 10 years, but he's good enough to lead us through this rebuild/transition period.
Our problem right now is the lack of talent, not the game plan. I know Ross intends to achieve the so-called "holy grail" this time around at the Saints, and we'll be a more attractive team to watch once we get bring A-grade ball users in. If you believe otherwise, then that's your dumbass opinion.
@TNT_12 you sound very invested in this, which is great for a supporter. I really hope for your sake that Lyon's will change enough to deliver what you're looking for.
Ross' track record does nothing to show he's got the ability as a coach to do what you're asking, though.
Past glories are nice, but Malthouse had those and he nearly scuttled the Blues completely in his last go around, as the modern game inevitably passes the old coaches by. It's good to get your hopes up but maybe keep one foot on the ground just in case.
I love the idea that the Swans aren't playing well. It's true that there are issues with the starts and dropping off in games and our big 4 mids were well down. YET we STILL absolutely should have won and are 2 games and 30% up from second. Imagine what happens when we actually put it all together...
Absolutely? Prior to the game, for sure, but during it, Freo absolutely deserved it more and definitely were the better side
Ok, stop that, here & now.
Bwoken Knee say u speak the truth.
Lakeside premiership coming up against the Saints. They should receive a flogging from the Swans. Both sides coming of a loss,
By the end of the first quarter, we'll know what losing means to the west end of the lakeside lads
@@gwilkes5325 you knew I wouldn't agree,
That I'd submit a contrary plea.
With their seven goal start
They darn near tore us apart .
Was Freo's granny played on sat'day?
Will they be home in September, cuttin' hay ?
@@PulauSwan Calm down Shakespeare, they deserved to win, not their grand final, but a big win regardless.
That's the problem with Ross Lyon, he's more afraid of accepting opposition scoring even one single goal and forgets enjoying his team scoring.
Lobb never laid a tackle in his life 😅
Ross the loss lol? Should have kept Ratten, well done Riewoldt
Gold Coast didn't take into account Damien Hardwick only knew coaching games at the MCG and the concept of travel routines is foreign to him 😅
Ross Lyon has publicy come out and said, he wants to play faster
It's Ross Lyon
Cyril Rioli never had a right foot.
It’s time to come home Higgins. At least play for a club that means something 🐅💛🖤
The negativity of the coaching strategy is the problem . Guns win wars , not bunkers
Why does Kane always shy away from criticism of Horne Francis. And why does these panelist not call him out for making excuses. It’s because Horne Francis wears his Jumper number 18 at Port Adelaide and he has a conflict of interest. Biased journalism !
Coach.
Habit.
The draw which favors the rich clubs and the AFL which is interested in MONEY MONEY MONEY.
Gerald looks so uninterested 🤣🤣
He's also so uninteresting....
Freo casually beat Sydney, ending a 10 game winning streak and you give them less than one minute, and all you do is name players the whole time
Absolute shitshow
Your idea of casually is probably not everyone's idea of casually, I suspect.
It was a one point game, with a decisive kick after the final siren.
This doesn't happen all that often.
Were you asleep, or dis-interested in the last kick of the game?
It wasn't a casual , lackadaisical field umpire, advising LM about his kick. He was dead set serious
As was every one else.
Anyone sucking on CNBL jelly babies all day, at the game, was probably awake , possibly interested, if they could see. 😂
@@PulauSwan
17-9 FK differential.
I wonder who got the advantage 🤡
At least you got a mention Not a word about Norf. I dont think freo should get excited
@@tubester4567 I will say something to Norf .
A year or so behind Hawthorn. Definitely have an old out, & new in policy.
Eg surprized by Goldies exit, don't know enough to say , other than that.
Patience is a virtue, contracting to an RSU ward , delivered face-down on a flat bed truck , every week, is not a supporter nor member based contract.
Glory isn't a miracle, it's a work in progress 24/7/ 365 . Virtually impossible, Lions did it, Hawks have , but Tigers & Cats know it's tough. Jason Ack , a brownlow self congratulator , knows everything , ash him how ???
Freo huge win. Won by a point due to mis kick and lost three quarters. lol
Lost two quarters which is half the game. Pretty reasonable for a one point win against a team no one has come close to beating since the first month of the season AND it was at their home ground. Freo cashed in on their momentum more than Sydney in a pretty even game.
@@simplyunco3681 Bloods should have won. Freo was lucky to get the points. No huge win. We will destroy Freo in the finals. Hope we play them
@@paulmatters2641 Taking the piss, our 2 key backs had 13 games of experience between them. Missing 2 AA worthy defenders and you reckon you’ll destroy us? You only beat Freo by 48 earlier in the year because of the circumstances.
@@paulmatters2641 It was a huge win, stop being salty you lost, can’t win every game when you start 5 goals down.
@@gwilkes5325 One point is huge is it champ. LOL
Been hearing players are not happy at St Kilda for months now, but just like this clip, there's never any substance to it.
Name it or move on gents.
You say Marshall, Steele etc are not happy? Why? How do you know they are not happy if you can't even put some context to the statements.
Come on gents, lift a little and provide clarity please.
Hodgy? to much bias, Jason Dunstall & Dermot Brereton these two guys much better with comments they have no bias.
So incredibly biased
lion just boring game p[an for all clubs he coached boring football destroying young players
Nice spelling
Hodge is a horrible special comments commentator. All it involves is complaining. Really thats all it is. Once you see it you wont unsee it.
St Kilda should be sent back to the VFL. Never deserved to be there. Ever.
Did saints beat the team you support?
Bit late for that now those decisions by the umpires killed the passion for the game sat night between Essendon and Geelong with all the rule changes from one year to another I think I would rather watch footy from the 80's and 90's were the game was pure and great to watch and fun entertainment the AFL has ruined it by too many rule changes and we are now watching 3 sports in one Cricket Soccer and Basketball, I am really starting to dislike the game now