Forza Horizon 4 Xbox Series X/ Series S - A Good Upgrade... But There Are Issues
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Join Alex Battaglia for a detailed look at the 60fps upgrade for Forza Horizon 4 on Xbox Series X and Series S consoles, stacked up against Xbox One X and (where appropriate) the PC original. Developer Panic Button has handed in a decent upgrade with lots of improvements - but there are issues, including a couple of visual cutbacks that are concerning.
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![[4K] Forza Horizon 4: The Digital Foundry Tech Analysis - Xbox One X is Lead Platform!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/oIDKRSl11dY/mqdefault.jpg)
This guy thinks his menus are laggy on his xbox one x.... should watch it on my OG xbox one 😂
Bruh it literally runs at like 1 fuckin fps 😭
I just got the Series X after being on OG Xbox
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Monster Hunter actually opens in under 4 minutes now 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah the one x is a massive upgrade from OG, I know because I have both
I know right I have the OG Xbox one in the Xbox 1X and it difference is completely noticeable Xbox series X it completely different from the Xbox One X
@Haitian Xu true the PlayStation 4 store is laggy as fuk is always dashboarding you and crashing
Your next-gen content is a joy to watch. Can’t wait for the AC and CoD analysis.
@@HiN00bs12 lol
Literally no one asked for this video. They have to upload actual next gen stuff.
@@HiN00bs12 who??
@@HiN00bs12 facts
@@HiN00bs12 what?😂😂
All the tests I've seen have them performing about the same. Besides there will be games where one loads two seconds faster and a slightly higher number in resolution. "Worse" is such a strong word. You make it sound like one runs at 1200p30 and another 4K60
That hang up at 6:50 is a rare occurrence based on its 7 servers are 1 server system. You switched from one region to another but the new region I presume had a full lobby of higher ping players and the game pooped itself a little. More server side than game/console side. The servers for Horizon 4 are garbage after all
Yes most of the lags are normally due to online or OS activities for the game and not really HW related
Yeah. Great racing game. Awful online services. I have yet to finish any of the online activities, because I inevitably lose connection to the server before completing.
Yeah well don't presume. It even hangs offline.
I somehow doubt they were doing their analysis while doing an online game. You can easily play this game entirely offline.
I notice a freeze like that on xbox series S when I search for a horizon life session and when it connects you get a temporary freeze.
For anyone who's still wondering, no they haven't fixed the issues mentioned in this video. It got a single update and hasn't been touched since.
Damn so this means you either need the PC version or have both a one X and a series X
@@fathersunglasses6085 , Series S and X are the inferior versions, neither were updated to fix the issues mentioned in this video.
@@themarauder6108 I mean own a series X for other games and a one x or pc for this
Dont understand why night shadows and SSAO are disabled on xsx, its not a massive perormance killer. Digital foundry, could you please ask the devs about it. the missing Ssao and night shadows in rsces are very noticable for me when Im playing.
Playground really should have done this update themselves rather than hiring a third party dev.
Well they're busy developing Fable and maybe FH5.
Me parece que esto pone en evidencia que Playground esta muy ocupado con Fable y FH5, pero viendo la bajada de calidad gráfica en algunas zonas me parece que hay parche inminente o Playground se encargara...
@@cimarcardozo855 why would you respond in Spanish after reading his comment in English and yes there is solid proof play ground is working on the new fable game and it's a safe assumption they working on horizon 5
all the common force feedback peripherals that many use with the game also now have various bugs, some large enough to render them unusable. so much for usb peripherals seamlessly transfering to the new console...
@@DeadPhoenix86DP I understand Spanish, so it’s fine. Think he just saw my last name. Not a big deal.
Can't wait for Horizon 5! Hopefully it's in Japan. They also have the 4 seasons and the mountain roads are like the ultimate dual roads ala initial D, tokyo drift :D Also very gorgeous
I just hope it's in a right driving country. I'm kinda sick of driving on the wrong side of the road unintentionally. So, no definitely not Japan, they already did that one.
That sounds chill man, driving in the country side, seasons like you said with cherry blossoms and fall colors broooo
My main hope is the map is at least 2 or 3 times the size for next gen.. don't see why it can't be , imagine having a massive tokyo style city with all the neon lights and then a huge open environment with mountains 😍
I was hoping for forza motorsport to launch this year so that we get a new horizon the year after, but looks like we are in for a long wait.
@@UmVtCg My dream is that the next Horizon is set in Germany/Switzerland.
You can drive from the black forest straight up into the Swiss alps and those beautiful roads where Hammon crashed the Rimac, and then descend into the valley with the air strip where they drag race hypercars. Lots of amazing driving roads and the autobahn running through half the map.
...And the piece de resistance: the public access nurburgring: the nurburgring where we can just drive onto it in online freeplay and race a van against a GT3 RS and thread through all the other players on the track. It's not _quite_ a conventional race-track so it doesn't break Playground's self-imposed rules about not including tracks in their maps and it'd be fucking cool.
NB: before anyone jumps in to tell me they've already done Europe: I know. I know they're not going to go with this. But it's my dream FH5 location so I get to choose.
FYI - they haven't done Japan before.
Awesome. Looking forward to more series s and x comparisons, as well as PC settings
Compare 260$/460$ consoles (without controller) to a 2000$ Pc. gEnIuS
@@Jambon75 In my country the Xbox series X is $650 !!!
@@abdullahayad6923 you are luckier than me still. here in turkey its $1000.
@@Jambon75 you are completely missing the point
The main intention to compare with a pc is to know in which settings they are running and is there any limitations are there
@@SB-xh8xs France > 9000
I moved from One S to Series X, the change is completely stunning !!
Absolutely! Changed from one s to series x and i'm stunned dude
Hell, it's even a nice step up from the 1X. It really surprised me.
Same! Just got mine in last night
Me too
About to do this too!
When do we get Valhalla PC vs Xbox Series X vs PS5? Cant wait for that video!! Great work as always!!
Don't forget Series S.
@Hannibal B totally agree! I want to know how these systems stack up against each other! Also ive heard AC runs at 60fps which is just amazing! Rtx 3090 cant lock 4k 60 so if these consoles are really pulling that off, it would be quite a feat!
It runs like garbage on every device. I'm used to it on PC but it stutters and tears on Xbox. This is the end of video games.
@Gaming With Ryan early word is that it might be optimized for amd platforms
@Gaming With Ryan Its beacuse they have the game on ultra settings and its a very demanding game
I love the fact that Digital Foundry has become the ultimate beta testers as they seem to find and point out all these little things which the devs may actually already know about but maybe didn't have time to implement before launching the product. Thankfully we live in an age of digital updates and many little things can be patched and fixed over time. At least the frame rate and resolution are solid right off the bad so it'll still be a joy to play the game.
Alex buddy, you've really gotta stop saying the full name of the console lol. Just say One X and Series X. Otherwise great analysis.
Yes
Soon enough, he’s gonna pronounce the trademark symbol
I was about to say this. You can literally say
Series X
Series S
One X
Or XSX
@@ANormalName. No.
7:02 You missed a checkpoint. Press Y to rewind.
Proceed to move Further and Game reset the Position
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We’ve only had Alex for a couple years but I now couldn’t imagine DF without him
Ghey
Of course, xbots always support each other LOL
@@nico5179 Imagine participating in a console war 🤡🤡
I'm personally not a fan. I love DF and always watch the videos but it's frustrating that Alex always highlights something so pointless like the 3fps dips that rarely ever happen and are barely noticeable in this video. He does usually go into a much deeper analysis than the other members of the team. But I guess it's all down to personal preference.
@@GaryMcAnim Yeah it’s really personal preference. I like that he goes into detail but I see why some would not.
Honestly, 99% of gamers won't even notice the issues that you pointed out. 4K 60 with way faster loading times in a gorgeous game like FH4 is spectacular!
I was thinking the same think we can't ask for everything in a backward compatible game
Lol 99% of gamers on internet notice everything apparently but still don’t know what they are talking about
Yeah I played this on one x and now on series x and Jesus it’s incredible upgrade. But now after mentions this.... I’m gonna box it up and return it... disgusting 58fps dip this one time... absolutely disgusting.
@@bravedwarf literally unplayable everyone cancel FH4
Oh this explains so much! I was wondering why it looked kinda off as I've mostly played in the quality mode on One X. I really hope they improve it soon
It has better textures then quality mode on the x. And better draw distance.
@@paulerlingheuser8453 yeah but weirdly enough the draw distance on grass feels smaller and for some reason there isn't ambient occlusion?
Yea I'm still wondering if this has been fixed yet? Quality mode on one x looks better than series x and it shouldn't be this way.
@@fnsonicrick As far as I can tell it still hasn't. I wonder if there's some limitation with the gen9aware gdk (would be weird but these consoles can definitely include AO)
Still waiting for some definitive Series X|S review with Watch Dogs and AC Valhalla tested😏
I can tell you now valhalla on series x is a screen tearing mess unless you have a vrr tv.
And performance comparison between PS5 and XSX for those games. Interesting to see if Devil May Cry was a fluke with respect to XSX performance.
@@anthonyclayton8283 wow okay didn't really expect that.. new hardware I guess! Would like to see how all the new consoles stack up
@@anthonyclayton8283 noticing it too shit is annoying
@@anthonyclayton8283 Nice lie. I have no problem here.
AC Valhalla & WD Legion - PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S
They should a Xbox Series X|S vs PS5 vs PC.
They said on Twitter that they don't have the games on PS5 yet
@@Joaquincastellan
Including AC Valhalla
That one is quite a looker
@@Joaquincastellan did you hear? they're both NEW games
@Jeric White
I can't even take you seriously calling Valhalla shit. You're a clown.
Well were over a month down the line and the missing effects on series X still havent been fixed no ambient occlusion etc and that's with DF reaching out to the developer I wouldn't mind but theres been two patches since release of series x patch 🤷♂️
Most people aren’t complaining about it. If anything people are praising it. So it may never get fixed which is a shame. I literally stopped playing after updating from the one x
Hey man, everything has been added back in, and the headlight shadows are back too. Dont worry
@@monarchu I hope this is true. Will be redownloading to verify. What I care most about is SSAO.
@@monarchu wasted my time redownloading over your false information.
@@monarchu yeah I last had a update a week ago and nothing has been added back in that I can see SSAO is still missing which is the biggest thing for me so don't know why you've posted false information
You can already get 60fps at 1080p with a mixture of High and Ultra settings using an old R9 380 4GB. Surprised that the Xbox Series S is only able to match that, but without any SSAO.
they want to give people a bigger reason to get the series x, so they dont use the series s to its full potential maybe? Or they neglect the Series S because they are so invested in the Series X competing with ps5? i dont know
Surprised? Really??
@@budgetking2591 yes you don’t know, Phil Spencer said he expects the Series S to sell better than Series X... why would they sabotage that?
@@budgetking2591 What full potencial? series S is what happens when you buy a new pc and pair it with a GT 710
With my old as fuck 965m i can play 35-40 fps ultra at 1080p. I dont understand how xbox s cant handle really
I’ve just upgraded from my Megadrive to an Xbox Series X and the difference is amazing!
There's more games on the megadrive.
I don't think you are "reading" the timestamps correctly. The millisecond counts seem to be counting to 60 but you are reading them as a decimal point. At 4:13 you say 13:40 as "13.4" seconds but it's more like 13.67.
That's an interesting thing to point out. I've never actually seen milliseconds to be counted up to 60. I wonder if it's just a visual presentation thing on the video overlay here or DF's internal tools actually do count like that.
Technically, a millisecond is a 1000 of a second so it's always counted to 1000.
@@uzeeinc I think it must be a problem with the tool. A "mm:ss:msms" format just doesn't make sense. The ":" as a seperator is unusual, you would need 4 digits instead of 2 for ms and of course it wouldn't count to 60. It should be "mm:ss.##" with ## being the first two decimals for the seconds.
I noticed the same thing. To the point from @UzEEInc , in the video does show the last two digits counting from 0x to 5x and back to 0x, and it certainly shouldn't be read like a decimal number using the word 'point'.
Thanks for the analysis! I was playing this last night on my Series X. It is phenomenal. The load time improvements are everything I could have asked for.
Playing Watchdogs on my Series X vs playing it on my One X is like night and day. The game look and run great.
@@chickmagnetwampaone Awesome! Other games I've been giving a go are:
AC Valhalla - looks great and plays great, but stutters in cut scenes for some reason
Shadow of War - loading is hugely improved
Snake Pass - Silly and fun game, but the load times don't seem improved much
That's all I've had time for so far. I'm definitely happy with the system.
Loading times are great, on average fast traveling was taking me a maximum of 2 seconds on the series X compared with probably 10 times that on my One X even on a SSD.
Good timing. Love me a bit of Digital Foundry while I eat my dinner.
Haha I know what you mean! ^^
Same but when I'm having a shit
It's 1 for me?
@@The_Mad_King_Aerys Haha I know what you mean! ^^
its coffee in the morning for me hahaha
I know that most of the upgrades other than increased FPS are probably unnoticeable when I'm driving over 100 mph, but I still find all of this technical analysis fascinating!
Actually how faster you drive how much more noticeable it is because due to you driving in fast speeds the frames only render at 24fps so when you say 500feet every 2 seconds your game will be chopping those frames as 500:24~20:2=10 feet per frame while 60fps will get you 500:60~8:2=4 feet per frame. Would you want 10 feet per frame or rather 4 feet per frame?
And the difference increases exponentially too.
I just realized you said other then fps kill me now.
@@blazesmooth5573 where did you find this information that fh4 only renders at 24fps when your driving.
@@darkzer0455 I never said it does? I only gave a reference number to compare greater fps.
Super disappointing to hear it's basically performance mode in 4k... Rather than quality mode at 60fps...
I totally agree. The game sucks now for me. Graphics are a huge part of the magic of this game
Nah. It's pretty much quality mode. 4 k textures and draw distances and that's all you really need
@@paulerlingheuser8453 except for the crappy shadows & ambient occlusion missing...
@@nodowt That's not something that occurs often. It's a damn one-off.
@@nodowt Pretty sure you would have never noticed that without a DF video with 400% zoom here and there... I love DF but sometimes it's a brainwashing for such a slight difference. Also, stop talking like having 60fps instead of 30 is nothing, it's everything
Thank you for this. I knew something wasn’t right visually. I just couldn’t pick it out. The shadows, I definitely saw. I didn’t catch the ambient occlusion missing, nor the characters animating at half frame rate. So hopefully they fix these. There is no way the new machine can’t run it at 60 frames per second with these things present... or maybe it’s something with the engine. But if the PC can do it at ultra with a 2080, the series X should be able to do it the same. It just might need more optimization. Let’s hope it was just some sort of glitch or something they missed in translation. Cause it’s funny, because something seemed off to me and I couldn’t place it. Definitely the ambient occlusion would make a huge difference along with the shadows. There is also some sort of lighting glitch and I can’t place what that is. I notice it when I rotate the camera, especially through trees. It seems like there are light flashes. I don’t know what that is. Maybe you guys have a better idea.
I was playing FH4 on 2060 in 4k@Ultra@60FPS :)
Same here :(
The new Xbox Series ports are not done by Turn 10, they are done by PanicButton Games. Send your findings to PanicButton, turn 10 does not deal with the Series X and S upgrades!
Even an RX5700XT, which is inferior to the XSX gpu level, is able to run FH4 at perfectly solid 4K60fps on ultra settings. My theory here is that the game is still running in backwards compatibility mode, so they cant still make use of RDNA2 IPC improvements, i think that it's literally emulating GCN behaviour. The game shouldn't be announced as an X|S optimized in this state.
My theory here is they couldn’t optimize the game for something the Series S can’t do and it’s holding back the Series X as a result
@@thenoobperspective7588That's not right, the game have sligh fps drops on race starting scenes, which means that it's also hitting performance limitations on XSX, this game is still running in BC mode, just with a new settings tweak.
@@jotawayhijo That’s probably due to the high polygon close ups of the cars running at Native 4K. It certainly isn’t well optimized, but it’s not running in “BC mode”, this is a native port.
I never played the One X version of FH4. I'm playing it now for the first time on my Series X and noticed a big update after the initial install. Being that I never saw any previous versions of this game, I thought it looked flawless and didn't notice any of the things pointed out here. I feel like after watching this now i'm going to go back into into the game possibly noticing them, lol! But I do understand where the improvements could've been made. I appreciate these kinds of analisis. Shows developers that issues don't go unnoticed no matter how minor they are. The resources are there. Use them to the best of their abilities.
Some peoples have Seriex X and yet no one tested Ryse Son of Rome.
It would be locked perforce
i not a part of free upgrade.. since some xbox one game are not... sleeping dogs also not functional and fallout 4 still not get upgrade..
Forza Horizon 4 is the BEST racing game I've ever played. Can't wait to play it again on Series X.
Worst car sounds ever though
Ya dude I agree. Can’t wait for a true next gen forza horizon game
yeah is a great game, but gran turismo is better. and this is no hate towards xbox. but Forza has some small things that make it a bit less. Sounds from cars, cars don't seem to touch the ground, making handeling a bit weird. but still a cool game I like ti play regularly
@@JunkieVirus GT hasn’t been better than Forza since the mid 2000s
I have been playing it for the last two days and is awesome. Specially the loading times.
Is a great game, but this downgrade on night shadows and SSAO is sad.
So one of the weirder details is the shadow inconsistency in the Series X version. For almost every single race the dynamic shadows are turned off...except I noticed in the stunt events it's fully active. This incurred no performance hits either so my feeling is this was kept as is on the one x because of an oversight. I would hope they patch it back in as it adds a ton to when you are driving around the world at night. The atmosphere is excellent.
Can you please do AC: Valhalla, Watchdogs Legion and Godfall PC vs Console settings comparison?
Yes im highly interested in that! I wonder what resolution AC Valhalla is running at on the consoles, various sources conflict each other in that lol.
For Watch Dogs Legion, I did some comparisons and found out the texture quality is set to medium, Headlight shadows appear to be off and shadow quality should be Ultra (on Series X, idk about Series S) due to enabled contact shadows. RT should be below medium as some reflections are missing. I'm sure Alex will find out a lot more cool stuff though.
Yes, this please!
They said they havent got AC yet but will be doing it. Just have to be patient.
Maybe if you're a good boy this year
@@dampflokfreund gotta be something wrong with your analysis, there’s just zero chance next gen Watch Dogs versions use medium textures with the amount of RAM available
If you're a plebe like me and don't have a series x yet, getting an external ssd for your one x will improve load times substantially... Just a bit of solace for those still on the old generation.
This is really weird and 100% the evidence of lazy optimising/porting done by the third party development studio.
My pc (ryzen 1600x, gtx1070ti) does all these settings ultra, 144fps on 1080p. I'm so confident that Xbox series x should get these options with some optimization at least.
4K is on a whole different level to 1080p.
They didn’t opt for a 1080p mode. They likely could’ve performance like that. There’s no real reason to think this was a lazy pity.
@@nightdriver7216 it may be 4K but it’s at lower graphical settings. Give me 1080p @ 100fps with all settings on ultra as opposed to 4k @ 60fps with settings on high and some turned off...
@@GoYourOwnWay86 1080p is too little for me. Forza Horizon 4 on 1080p mode is blurry and looks as if I needed glasses to see further. It's an outdated resolution on TVs and only kept afloat by PC gamers due to high price of new panels and durability of the old screens.
One issue I had, was my old save game crashed everytime I reached the autumn transition when I tried it on my series X. I had to delete my cloud and local saves. That fixed the issue, and luckily I wasn’t very far along anyway.
I am stuck there right now on Series X on a new install and start. I haven't tried deleting saves yet, but that's a nasty bug.
Load it up on your last gen console or xcloud should transition seasons. Then you can load up on xbsx.
@@kden1327 that’s actually a pretty good idea. I’ll keep that in mind for next time if something like that comes up again :)
so you need to zoom 400% to see the resolution differente, I guess I will go with the Series S.
Last time I played it was on Xbox One S until yesterday on my new Series X. It's a different game, 4K/60 and with this beautiful setting is jaw-dropping.
ForzaM 7 gets an auto hardware upscale and looks really good. It's a shame it's now abandonware and has had no updates in over 18 months.
Thanks DF, finally a relevant comparison about FH4 :). I had the chance to receive my Series X on 10th nov (France), but when I launched Forza Horizon 4 (which I used to plays dozens of hrs on One X quality mode), something appeared weird to me eyes, as if it was more "flat" visually... Here's the clear explanation . This new gen is deceptive, seems to already show its limitations on old gen games upgrades: that kind of graphic concession to allow 60 fps is too bad. And, in the case of Gears 5 for example, the visual were improved as it was already running at 60 on One X...
ONE X still kickin ass. I Think it will be worse in trully next gen games like it was after Xbox One premiere. Crossgen games look very good, had stable FPS (like Assassins Creed Black flag), but when AC Unity came out, XONE and PS4 cant handle new engine. Sry for my eng.
I don't notice that at all.
It has nothing do to with hardware limitations here. It's just a port and as a port, it relies on devs skills to exploit the potential of the hardware. Since Playground didn't work on those ports directly, i guess it's normal to see a difference. Just remember that it's just a port, a simple optimisation. They didn't redo the whole game for the Series S/X. There is no point in judging the console based on those ports. For example, Forza Horizon 3 is running at 30fps on Series X/S, not because the console can't handle it, but because the game received no optimisation. Previous gen games optimised for next-gen console will always depend of devs skills. The Series X is capable of better than that, same for the Series S.
2 years on and still no SSAO on Xbox Series. They should keep the graphics toggle so we could choose between max quality at 30fps or balanced visuals at 60fps.
They had one job. Get One X quality mode running at 60fps. If they couldn't make that happen in first party, something is VERY wrong with Series X.
It is concerning
So...are all the problems fixed on the Series X by now (driver animations at 30 fps, missing headlight shadows in races, no ambient occlusion, worse motion blur)?
Nope
Thanks for this video. When i was playing on my Series S i noticed that the night didn't look as pretty as in some videos of the One X but i wasn't sure why. Now i can see that the lack of shadows at night was the issue.I really hope that they add those shadows for the Series S :(
Math seems easy to me, 4x the resolution but only 2x the GPU as Xbox one X. If I saw that correctly, Xbox one X performance mode was 1080p 60. Some concessions had to be made.
You can REALLY tell when you're playing online with an Xbox player. Waiting for them to load is painfully long.
Xbox One player, Xbox Series player will most certainly load in before you
You guys are on fire cranking out these videos, we love it but remember to eat and sleep!
I can't help but think digital foundry is downplaying how the game looks on series x. Either that or my eyes are seeing something different than what they are seeing.
SONY MONEY....
Same here
I think I will stick with my One X. Theres so many exclusives worth getting on PS5 I plan to make the jump to PS5. On the One X there's literally this and Gears of War. Gears of War did a superb job of 4K dynamic and I believe it managed 60fps too. So if I can get Gears 6 4K 60fps and HDR on the One X when it comes out I'm happy to stick with that and save £450 $499. Its not worth it to buy a new console for one game or maybe 2 with Ray Tracing. Il get the PS5 for third party games and exclusives and maybe PSVR 2 if it happens. I dont see the need in anybody with a One X to upgrade if you buy a PS5 unless your a hard-core Xbox gamer. By the way I'm not knocking the Xbox Series X it looks a beast but in perspective I couldn't justify the cost against my One X
@@djg3906 and who asked?
@@jatnierdorta you have the same energy with the statement of Jim Ryan? 3 years of support and games for the PS4.
Remember: HAVE THE SAME ENERGY
“The quadrupling of pixels is very obvious.”
Me on my phone: “I’ll just take your word for that, friend.”
Damn, one of the features i love in Quality Mode on the X1X is the car light shadow, i really hope Panic Button fix it on the XSX in races, same for SSAO, otherwise i'll stick to my PC when playing FH4, when i get XSX.
So by your logic:
Headlight shadows during a race > 60fps & improved texture filtering Wtf????
Edit: THEY MEANT PC APPARENTLY ^^^
hang on... you'll play in 30fps, with lower res textures, double the load times... for some ambient occlusion and headlight shadows in races?
Same ill stick to my pc version with everything on at 60fps lol
@@xAKIMBOCURLYx Oh I meant PC, sorry for the confusion.
@@stodgycaesar6164 One of the features i love to do in FH4 is to take some really beautiful shots, so yeah I prefer the first option in that case. But what I meant to say is PC not X1X, my apoligies.
I suspect a lot of legacy games are going to get multiple generations of upgrade patches for the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S. Publishers have a deep interest in making the games attractive to new console buyer ASAP, so they'll make incremental upgrades to their existing IPs until it's no longer deemed as producing positive ROI. 2021 will be the year of the upgrade patch while the senior teams develop entirely new IPs.
Can you do a No Mans Sky analysis on Series X? I installed the update, and have to say it still suffers from really bad pop in.
That game will always suffer from pop in no matter how good your rig is. That’s just the way it’s procedural generation works
Its because of the slow SSD from the SX. On PS5 pop ups dont exist.
@@hiwasgeht7945 uh-huh
@@brancolt_ lol
@@hiwasgeht7945 yours brick yet bruh?
30fps animations in a 60fps game can be very distracting. I remember it sticking out in Halo 5 and it looked terrible.
Not played Halo 5. Curious to know what was it in that game?
@@DeadPhoenix86DP It HAS 60fps animations in PC.
@@DeadPhoenix86DP I did. Nothing has changed
Who made the port was an third party studio... hope they fix it, really lazy port.
Yep
That put in evidence that Playground is very bussy with Fable and the next Horizon....
Hope that Panic Button fix the game, they are putting Playground's work in shame!
@Michael Silva I love your photo xD
I’m honestly surprised the port is lacking in some aspects because Panic Button are MASTERS when it comes to porting games to the Nintendo Switch.
Now that I have my Series X.. I have to say.. the 60fps does feel great.. but I wondered why I wasn't impressed with the graphics. This clarifies it. Thanks, Alex! Hopefully it'll get patched soon to take full advantage. Can we have ray tracing too please?
You know there is an overwhelming amount of work when Alex switch to console coverage ! No RT even !
Not really effective to just add rt to a game that wasnt designed useing the system architecture or designed for use of RT
You would end up with either really shit at that is lower resolution than just screen space
Or the performance would be terrible
There are alot of Dev tools and features deigned to alleviate stress from RT use however this game was not designed with those in might
Just look at devil may cry next gen version as evidence of this
The RT is complete garbage and the framrates are all over the place
Marcus Lightbody They just mean that Alex likes RT. It’s unusual for Alex to cover a console game at all, let alone one without RT.
@@kebbinator ahhh ok hahah
@@marcuslightbody6933 I also thought the ray tracing in DMC 5 looked pretty bad. It just looks like Capcom littered the screen with puddles but I noticed there aren’t even reflections on some of them.
For me, this is further proof of the senseless push for native 4k resolution. I prefer more details over resolution.
Yes definitely. Everybody is going crazy that it’s 4k @ 60fps... what they don’t realize is it’s on medium-high settings with some even turned off!
Give me 1080p ultra maxed out settings 100fps anyday.
The Microsoft console naming department needs firing.
Oh, so changing a number in PS4 to PS5 is a genius move?
@@John-Spartan "B-but Sony!"
@@John-Spartan I think we both know it is.
@@davidupton73 I really hope you are joking. Nobody can be this dumb.
This is an XBOX One title that is two years old - not sure why you're saying them not remastering it for the X is a fault. They upped the frame rate and clicked a couple of boxes and gave it as a free update to everyone. That's pretty good in my book. Dinging them for not going through and redoing all the compression settings, etc, that just seems like nonsense for a game that isn't a native Series X game. If they do it, awesome, but as far as I know they never told anyone this was getting a full redo.
I'm just impressed by how he was able to constantly say the names of each xbox without messing up
he is a pc gamer :)))) intel pls stop...
The classic DF Music returns! I swear I haven't heard that opening track since 2013
Love DF as a news source for all games. But sometimes ya'll reach for straws on these things. No body is going to notice that 400% zoom of a distance quality or the frame dropping from 60 to 58 for a mere second.
Bro this is literally there one job to point those things out
That Series S is waiting for me to be picked up at a post office but having an Xbox One X I figured it would overall still perform a tad better with 60fps and then obviously having 1440p.
That's not the case it performs the same on 1080p.. :S yeah I'm gonna send that shit back.
too early, waiting some patches for the patches.
Yes i also wait for the patches for my patches.
Your English needs to be patched
(Not talking about u 21 Swords)
This is crazy! Did we just witness the first ever Forza framerate drop? Forza has ALWAYS had locked framerates on console, whether it's 30 in Horizon or 60 in Motorsport (or Horizon 4 on One X).
I know that Panic Button made the Series X|S port and not Playground/Turn 10, but it still really baffles me.
I currently can't get my hands on a Series X due to it being sold out everywhere so what am I doing? Torturing myself with videos like these 🙃
I drove to the other side of my city (Perth Australia) to give a dude $1300 to buy the series X. Goodbye savings
@@willchongwei I did tht too payed too high so I could get it right now! lol couldn’t wait till next year .
@@willchongwei if you think getting it a couple of months earlier is worth AU$550 then thats on you lol but damn!
Imagine getting yours the day it releases and then jumping on a plane over seas for 2 weeks the very next day? That's my good and bad situation right now. 😀😡
come to asia coz no one buy xbox here every one prefer ps5.
I gotta get me that ssd nvme for my pc, that "need to restart game" after fiddling around the settings is killing me hahaha.
What's agonizing is that this game has those idiotic unskippable intro logos... so no matter how fast your drive is, you still have to wait for that bull**** to play x_x
@@PookaBot Aahhh flashbacks to max payne 3 hahaha, they should just ad those logos as billboards/signs in game if they want us to see those, do it in-game.
Hmm, I'm sure they'll patch it, sounds like they started with the old oneX 60fps version as a base.
Yup. Basically all the issues that the series x version has can be blamed on playground games moreso that the Xbox itself. Would be interesting to see 120 fps 1080p, but I'm not sure if it's possible.
@@joechinchar9833 If your TV can take it, this system'll do it.
He said that the series S didn't seem to hit the advertised 1440p resolution. Everytime they have said they would say it's 1080p/1440p target. NEVER just ,1440p. Seems like he is misrepresenting what they said.
While that is true, I think people were expecting 1440p from the Series S here since it’s a brand new console and this is a last gen game.
People need to understand how important VRR is going to be this generation.
Upgrade your TVs, or get a really solid monitor early next year. Frame tearing and drops will be expected the higher our FPS targets get to.
Is the lg nanocell good
I still don't know what it is
@@manakmishra Variable Refresh Rate
Hopefully they will fix those visual settings. It really makes no sense for the quality to be worse than on the One X.
Great video, as always! I'm very impatient to see some comparisons between PS5 and Xbox Series X for multiplatform games like Assassin's Creed: Valhalla! :D
XVA is not just tractor compression.
It's using a virtual 100gb ram disk whether textures are loaded in on a per slice per frame basis
I’m in love with the Xbox Series consoles and I don’t even have one yet 😭
Feel you my brotha 😐
I feel sorry for you
Damn I'm still on my one s
I'm in love with my next girlfriend, and I don't even have one yet
@v cam god you people are so annoying
So disaponting to see the headlight cast shadows NOT showing... matter of fact I expected those kind of effects to be real time hardware ray trayced!
One could only imagine how Driveclub looks in 4k 60fps.
Holy crap dude that game was so ahead of it’s time. I fired it up recently and even at 1080p it dunks on the majority of racing games today. A 4K60fps re-release would look incredible
Graphically overrated...
@@nightdriver7216 Forza didn’t even match its level of fidelity until Horizon 3 years later, so I think not.
@@0uttaS1TE What usually works in this case is complaining. However, the Forza Horizon fan is usually satisfied with too little, because "lulz free cars" and "virtually unplayable" meme when people report bugs/inaccuracies in cars. It's frustrating to be a fan of the game and notice that if you look closely it does fail to live up to its huge potential.
I think reason why it isn't as high quality as one would expect is pretty simple, it was probably too much work for a quick patch to improve the quality for XSX. Just because a graphic setting is available on PC does not mean it is a simple switch to flip in the XSX codebase. There is likely code that gets effectively inlined for performance on xbox that wasn't as easy to change.
6:30
The "one off drop" happened to me multiple times. I found that it might have something to do with server connection as it only happened when I was on a full server and a few minutes away from a Forzathon event but happened three times or so since playing on release day
Yeah, the servers can screw your gameplay.
I came from running it on a GTX1080 at 4k60fps on (i think?) the 'high' preset, maybe having maxed the texture quality. I loaded it up on Series X and immediately noticed it didn't look quite as good, something was 'off'. At first I thought there was less dense ground clutter, or that the ground textures were lower. Now that you mention a lack of SSAO that's EXACTLY what the problem was that I couldn't quite nail down. I hope they add it in, the ground just looks really flat and almost 'pastel' without it!
It's time for DF to add "most common pc settings" and not just "ultra 5000$ pc settings", especially now when the new consoles are out, makes way more sense.
nah
This game runs on max settings easily on a modest PC, it's very light on resources which makes the compromises for the Series X version even more puzzling. Unless the Series X just isn't as powerful as Microsoft told us.
This game runs 4K 80fps fully maxed out on my 2080S ... but I thought Series X was equivalent to 2080ti??
@@spenny2cents Not at all. The XSX is barely touching a 2080 Super in terms of TFlops
@@FullNietzsche I think it's cross gen support that's been holding both current generation systems back. I think games are developed for the base Xbox One and scaled up for the other consoles. I think Digital Foundry did a video where they stated that in a backwards compatible game that the Series S fps were locked to 30 fps and had no ray tracing even thought it is capable of higher fps and ray tracing is because it was running the base Xbox one version. I think Series S needs to become the new base system since it's architecture, hardware and features matches the Series X which will make upscaling easy, Microsoft could've went cheaper with the Series S CPU, but needed it for scalability, so it wouldn't have to make visual and performance sacrifices such as they're doing with developing cross gen with the base Xbox One as their base developers can only make minor visual and performance scaling up for the new consoles with a set/limited amount of time given before the launch of their game.
In two to three years when Microsoft releases their Series Pro and the new base console becomes the Series S after they end cross gen support, then games developers won't be hold back by any limitations and be developing games utilizing all the Series consoles features that the base Xbox One lacks.
And I thought the Series X would be running 4K Max Settings, bit of a letdown. I'll stick to my 1440p 100FPS Max Settings rig
the sweet spot. 1440p high refresh rate
Great video. FH4 looks stunning no matter what yhe review indicates though. I really like what IGN is doing now with their analysis of video games as DF does. However, what IGN is doing is one step forward to DF, is that they actually include an interview from the developer regarding the decision taken towards what was to be included or not on upgrading a game. That way, we as gamers have a better understanding on whether a patch ia expected to improve on the issues or not.
No 120hz mode tested? The monster important feature in the whole console
I would really like to see Japan, Africa and Argentina in next Horizon games.
the team had limited ablity to made place... they still made more for 4.. so this going to be awhile.. at least free upgrade for it so i was happy..
Xbox one, xbox one s, Xbox one x, xbox series X... They literally just keep upgrading what should've been initially. Reminds of the 360 when you used to have to buy the separate wifi adapter and after 2 to 3 system refreshes it was built in lol this stuff is getting ridiculous. Nonetheless consumers still will hype it up🤦
let's face it, xbox series X is better than most gaming PC's out there in the wild.
Starting off the generation with caveats has me concerned. To be fair, the cross gen period is always shaky.
Yea. We won't see unreal engine 5 demo kind of graphics any time soon. Same goes for a DLSS-like upsampling.
Yeah, I was expecting more. But I do think a lot of developers are on the ropes as no other generational transition has taken place during a time on global pandemic. I do feel like these first batch of patches do not really tell the whole story. Time will tell.
It's not just that there are caveats, but that the Series S appears to be worse off than the X1X. 1080p with worse textures, and this is an in-house developed last gen title simply getting prettied up for the new gen. That's fairly concerning.
you must be new to console releases
@@instantstupor Ray Tracing really hurt the Series S version of the game. It should be an optional mode for that console. In really curious to see which console performs better running this game so I can buy it for my PS5 or Series X.
Pretty minor nitpicking, I know, but 11:53 does not equal 11.5 seconds, Alex. That's not how counting time works :p
Man this game looks great. I played in Performance mode on the One X. 4K and the higher render distance just add so much to the experience.
I am in awe, feels amazing to play.
44 comments within the first 3 minutes? These guys are impossibly popular! Well done!
That ForzaTech engine is so cool. Wish more engines were that optimized.
Frame rate drops occasionally as low as 57 FPS on Series S? We would have thought we'd died and gone to heaven to have problems like that last-gen with this level of fidelity! Amazing for such an inexpensive console. Truly exceeding my expectations. Not for most hardcore gamers, but truly a good option for a second console in another room when the main console is in use.
Does anyone actually play games at 400%?.
Most people sit so far away from there 4k tv they struggle to tell the difference with 1080p and 4k.
I think you mean blind people, not most people.
I don't play games since discovering Digital Foundry. I just pause them and zoom in.
@@nerdstrangler4804 That doesn't make any sense. If someone is blind, why would they sit further away from their TV? Take a look at a resolution distance chart. Even if you have a 65 inch screen you would have to sit less than 5 feet away from it to receive the full benefit of 4k. Most people don't buy really big TVs to sit that close to them. They buy TVs that big because they want to sit further away and still be able to see everything well. That's the reason why 1080p on a 4k screen still looks good to most people.
@@OldsXCool So they don't accidentally walk into the TV, obviously.
The chart over at rtings says at 65" 4k is worth it at over 8 feet away.
But most importantly all those charts are based on tv and movies, not video games. Unlike tv and movies, computer graphics have aliasing artifacts. That is why resolution is so important for image quality in computer graphics and why things like supersampling exist. Movies and tv don't have these problems because they are supersampled from infinite resolution, because real life is internally rendered at infinite resolution.
But for video games, 1080p looks absolutely disgusting.
@@nerdstrangler4804You're wrong. The vast majority of us don't think that 1080p is disgusting. If that were the case then the XBOX Series S wouldn't exist. Snobs are always in the minority which is what you are. Stop trying to make your preferences into facts. The fact is that to get the FULL benefit of any given resolution there is an optimal viewing distance. I was not saying that you couldn't see 4k past 5 feet away from a 65 inch screen, but the returns diminish as you get further away and the difference between 1080p and 4k are very nill by the time you get to 10 feet which is about how far people sit from their TV simply due to the average size of a domestic room.
The load times kill this game. SSD is a game changer.
This man is an absolute WIZARD when it comes to analysing gameplay. Wow! Blows my mind what he notices. Legend!
I am glad Forza Horizon 4 gets a upgrade on XSX, I love this game on my XboxOne X. So I'll definitely be playing it on the XSX after Xmas when I get a XSX, getting the PS5 on launch and XSX after Xmas.
The one thing i've noticed with having Horizon 4 on an SSD on my PC is when i play multiplayer, sure i load fast but i still have to wait for people with XBOX One's to load in lol
That is rather maddening.
The Thrustmaster TMX Pro wheel also does not work properly with the FH4 X/S update, it chatters uncontrollably anytime the wheel is off center. Forza support investigated and has confirmed the issue and say they are working on a fix.
2:08 Same image quality? Series S looks inferior doesn't it?
Series S uses the One S version of the game and enhances upon it.
It does use the higher detailed car models
That would be the case if it were running through backwards compatibility. This is a port to both the Series X and S
This game is specifically optimized for Series S and X, not running the One/One X version
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