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A side note about Gentek. You as a homeowner can buy direct from them. Just sign up with them as a "contractor". You then can buy at the same price that home hardware gets the product for. They also do custom doors and windows. Fantastic company, been using them for 20+ years.
I can not find that on genteks website, could you help me out? Thanks
I too could not figure this out
@@CM-ty9zlcan't figure what out? Just go to their location and sign up.
It's no big deal... but taping starting at the bottom and working your way higher is best and usually no extra work. It treats the tape layers like shingles to let the water run down without getting behind the tape.
Great video, loved watching it even though i don't have any plans to do my own siding, I am considering it on my house when the time comes. You made it look easy, and I really appreciate that.
Hi Jeff. Thanks for all your tips, ideas, advice & assistance in 2023. All the best in 2024. Hope your projects continue well. Best of luck to you & your family. I look forward to more videos. Happy New Year.
I've been watching your videos for a while and I've learned a lot over the years. I finished my parents 800sqft basement mostly on my own thanks to your videos. One thing I love about a lot of the videos is the fact that you have Matty there learning as you go. I'm similar to him in a lot of ways. We've both got a pretty good mechanical aptitude/general intuition and are "handy" but we don't have the institutional knowledge and wisdom like Jeff. For example, we know how to properly swing a hammer or run a miter saw, and we can figure stuff out on the fly, but we don't know how much gap to leave on trim, or how to perfectly shim an exterior door. It's cool to see him learning the same things I'm learning as the projects progress.
“A select few of names”
Gotta say, you two seem like you’re growing closer every video. I never knew, getting my stepfathers childhood stories and lessons would help me be closer. I love the work!
I’ll be making a simple one door and one window man cave this summer.
44:51 impressed by the technique for getting the depth of the cut haha
What a great instructor!!!
You share very well how to install frames and finishing materials for the outside of the house
Thank you! For sharing your work experience from two.
Duuuude!! Thumbs up on the video quality! This legitimately looks as good as a movie 🎥🍿
Great video as always. So glad to see you finally wearing a hat 😊
I tape across bottom then sides then top to overlap the tape from top down. Im jist saying it because you ate so good at what you do and I know would agree. Excellent video as usual. Thanks
It's tape, I don't think it matters. Also, I don't think the bottom should be taped so water has an escape IN CASE it gets in the window frame.
@@sonnyboy16 bottom up. Good point sonnyboy
Big shoutout for Perkins Lumber, I go there often because closer and sometimes same price as box stores
Take a shot at doing 45 degree corner cuts, less tape and excess material makes it look less DIY on a budget.
Jeff, I really like watching your video, very straightforward and informational. One thing I would recommend is that your camera person comes closer when you are showing details. Many times it seems like they are standing back too far.
...or else he puts his big fat hat in the way 😊
When taping windows and doors the correct way is to start taping from the bottom up. That way you are over lapping but not leaving any creases in the over lap that could leak. This way the sides will over lap the bottom and the top will over lap the sides. I hope I am not confusing anyone.
I’m gonna make my house look like your shed😂!
It’s beautiful!
Just watched this video, and it's a game-changer for DIY enthusiasts! Clear explanations on starting, corners, J channels, and soffits made it easy for me to understand. Perfect for anyone looking to spruce up their home exterior.
Western Canada the Gentek Sequoia is the thicker higher quality siding and it takes a metal starter strip. It will not physically fit in the vinyl starter as it doesn't bump out far enough so to see you do this is very interesting
That "compression channel" is called a utility strip in my area. We use a tool that presses out a flap about 3/8" below the cut edge of the siding. When you slip the siding in the utility strip, it will click and lock. For the more visible areas, the utility strip hides inside a piece of J-channel.
I think you need Tyvek drainwrap followed by thin fanfold insulation and get shingle style by up from Alside with thicker thickness and to prevent horizontal wind driven rain, get white color because it lasts longest
I would never be able to build something without sheathing because I guarantee one of my a-hole pets would put a hole in the house wrap. LOL. Hell, I'd probably trip and fall through it.
Ah, I always wondered how the siding got started. I wish I'd paid attention when we had our siding re-done.
I have terrible hand-eye coordination and my aim is awful. So I suck at landing on the nails with a hammer. LOL. I like your two-hand technique.
That's a nice little window. I'm thinking of re-building the shed that houses my cistern, well, and pumps and was thinking a window might be nice to get some natural light in. Of course, I would put sheathing on it and insulate it to keep the water lines from freezing.
You're so good at cutting straight lines without a guide. I have a hard time cutting straight lines even with a guide. LOL.
I love seeing you work with your son. I miss doing projects with my dad, although we weren't such a well-oiled machine. More like 2 stooges. He'd pick up a board and turn with it and accidentally thwack me in the head. There was the time he stacked sheets of plywood and leaned them up against me, wanting me to hold them up and they knocked me over. Although we did good when we put up over 1k ft fencing together. And you call him Matty and nice things.
Love the color and style. What specific product line of Gentek is this so I can research more please
Been waiting for this! Jeff thank you and your team for keeping the Kiss method alive!
Our pleasure! Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIYThe vertical vinyl that goes from roof to grass of my garden shed is damaged at the bottom due to trimmer. Is there A piece I could simply clip on top of it or I have to replace it? 😢
Installing luxury vinyl tile over linoleum and subfloor. What brands do you recommend? Is life proof OK?
Ive wasted so many pieces. Nice recovery You are a pro
Is there no sheeting on that shed? I feel like that would be flimsy , or I would drop a weed whacker against the wall and it would pop through the siding😅
1/2" and a hair, I like this measurement, and I tell you it is very precise.
Glad you like it!
That's 65/128
Also known as a skosh
Yes a certain hair to be specific
Why didn't you use plywood on the front and sides? Cost? Looks like just the back has plywood.
I love how clear and concise you explain everything from tools, practices, and materials used in all of your videos. You are truly one of the best on CZcams bar none! I wish i could buy you a beer. Cheers from California!
Cheers!
When taping windows do you do horizontals before vertical’s?
A couple suggestions: 1) Use 1x6 and 1x8 composite or pvc soffit facia boards and pre-paint them, looks much cleaner than wood covered with wrinkled aluminum and much faster to put up, 2) Don't lean your ladder on the edges of the shingles, it breaks them down and makes them look wavy. 3) "Aspenite" seems to be a long discontinued brand name of waferboard that has been replaced in the industry by much stronger OSB. 4) Looks to me like your longest siding is 12', not 16', if it was 16' there wouldn't have to be any laps on the back wall. If you can buy the siding by the piece you can minimize the lap joints as well as the waste. 4) I use a cheap hand punch to make nail slots along the ripped edge of the top siding piece, never use that type of top strip, it's all behind the facia and doesn't show. Can also use a trim router with a fence attachment and a 3/16 end cutting bit to cut a few slots very quickly. 5) I personally use a 4' level to push up and lock in each siding piece and check every course for straightness and level as I go. It's too easy to stretch the height and get off level in just a couple pieces, especially with the lighter weight products as they are more flexible. The lower grade stuff lasts just as long and looks as good but you have to pay a little more attention to detail when installing.
Wow, I don’t know you, but Jeff is a qualified builder that knows exactly what he’s doing
epic facepalm... the wall is 16' long. he goes over this at length if you actually watched it. way to devalue yourself. Ever wonder what else you didn't watch but decided to comment on?
@@Sam-vd1ce In the video Jeff says he's going to put up a full 16 ft piece of siding, but then grabs a 12 ft piece. I think there is a lap joint in every course on the back wall. Therefore no 16 ft siding pieces. I like Jeff and watch many of his vids but don't always catch every word rambled on about. My comments were relevant to what I saw.
@kknows3512 gotcha. Def 12s being used but I don't recall him ever saying they were using 16s
@@Sam-vd1ce 48:32
I measure from the top down to every othwr piece to make sure its staying true to the roof line
Good man. I also hang siding above the door and windows first and then hang a story pole from that . This works great at roof lines that start at a very small piece and keep getting larger . We would probably use a story pole all the way around the building before the corner and window trims were applied .That way you can snap some chalk lines and keep it straight
How is this vinyl holding up in strong winds? I live in Norway, and there was some hoses in the 90s that had it. But then we got a hurricane ( 45-65 m/s) and then they wasn`t on the hose anymore. I havn`t seen them anymore in Norway since.
no safety glasses with grinder 😮
25$ fora 1"×6"×10' structural pine board? That is pretty expensive!
Happy holidays Jeff, Mat and team HRV-guys!
Are those... fake crickets and birds? You can still hear them over the music in the sped-up bits.
would you use some kind of sealant for the gaps
Please come do our siding!, insulation and wrap!!!! Amhearstview…… Kingston
What did you do about the last triangle shape missing part above the "vent?" window on the side at the end of the video?
What is the material you put in the black outer coating please
I have a question as to why you didnt bring the siding down too include the base frame?
Congratulations for what you do Sr. I do really like all you do and I wish someday to be able to come to Canada and meet you in person, I'm from Guatemala and live in Wisconsin state US. I'm hopping having the pleasure and see in person any project that you might be working by the time comes. and I love construction, I really like it. that's why and my name is: Edgar Armando Schultz from
El Estor Izabal, Guatemala.
Hey Jeff, why is your vent sticking out so much on the side or the trim just way too depressed into the wall? Was it properly secured or just wasn't documented in the video?
I watch you all day ! only question is , is there a formula on figuring how much siding you need to buy for a job ?
Jeff, love the channel. This summer I'm going to reside my house.i plan on using vinyl siding butI love the detail of trim used by the James Hardy or LP smart side. I'm not a fan of j channel for vinyl. My thought was to use 2 in ferring strips along the corners, windows, doors and soffit run the siding up to it then attach 3 in stained cedar trim to the ferring strips making my own j-channel. I'm in Pennsylvania. Do you see any downside to incorporating this trim detail? Thanks
The extra work my friend. Nothing structurally should be a problem. I can't tell you how many times I've thought "well that would look better if I just made x,y,z" and it was true. It just took a long time. In your case, it may be worth it. Totally your call.,Good luck!
how much did the vinyl siding panels cost you including corners and trims?
Keep it up Jeff and team. you might have convinced my wife that I get to build one some day. Also, ignore the haters in the comments.
The haters are mostly contractors and subcontractors that don’t want people watching these videos because it takes business away from them. They would rather screw people over with their ridiculous labor prices so they’ll do anything they can to ruin your morale so you don’t wanna do it.
@@timothys3119 feels like it. It's a shed, not a living space. Another guy commenting makes it sound like he made 'noob' mistakes. Indirectly, but it annoyed me cuz Jeff overall is pretty awesome for creating this content.
@@Sam-vd1ce agreed. That’s why I don’t listen to know-it-alls in the comments. If they’re that good, then they need to upload a video and show people the “right way”.
Why no sheathing? The structure has very little racking strength. Does this area get 0 winds year round? Did you install rafter ties at least?
The only part i was watching for was what you used over the J trim on the door and that part didn't make it in the video 😂 i need to know because i want to cover that up on our doors/windows because ours look like poo hahaa
Cool episode. Mistakes, corrections. Great advice. And it seems Jeff is too quick witted for his own son lol
Nice Costco hat
I wonder why we dont use siding here. Norway, can it withstand heavy winds and rain thats like shotgun hail?
I noticed that as you stated to eliminate seeing seems to go from back to front. But on the front side you went front to back why was that?
When you were talking about thousands upon thousands of homes in the US not having sheathing, just a 1 inch foam insulation then house wrap and siding.... My house is one of those. I was shocked when installing a vent for the range hood in my kitchen and I cut a hole in the house to vent to the exterior, and there was no plywood sheathing, only the foam board you were talking about. I feel like that contributes a lot to the issues I have with keeping the house warm in the winter and cool in the summer. I don't like it at all.
Wish you would build my a shed for me in the UK
Is it okay if i put the siding on my shed straight on the frame without putting typar on the frame?
How do you replace a broken section in the middle?
Awesome video ! Is their a nailer option vs hammer and nail?
Perhaps nailer option doesn’t give the movement needed…you keep mentioning that 😅
My main concern is lack of PPE. Where are your glasses and ear plugs when you are cutting?
If the wood so expensive and metal so agly , I would use PVC board
I have an idea about getting more Info for material costs. That only the group would have access to. I's that of interest to you, Jeff
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Why do you need to ensure that there is wiggle room when installing J channel but then the whole window J channel gets tucked taped ? Do you only tape around windows and not the doors ?
I knew the second I saw that piece for over the door it was cut wrong lol but hey, even the best of us will make a mistake or 2. A GOOD & REPUTABLE journeyman/contractor stops & fixes it BEFORE moving on.
Also, after doing it for a living, drill small holes and where you got your metal they should have painted nails instead of screws which can ruin the metal
Wait for all this pieces without a nailing surface you can’t make one with a punch. Also if you must use a utility strip like under a window get the 15$ tool that punches little tabs and that will lock the siding up in there we had 75 mph winds I didn’t loss any siding
How do you prevent waves in the siding? My husband is going to attempt to replace our old siding and I am afraid of looking wavey like most of the houses in our neighborhood.
Dont seat the nails all the way and nail in the center of the cutout. Lets it move in and outand side to side
And install on a hot day where the siding is hot
If the studding is really bad, you may also need to use a string line and shim the low points, but that's rarely necessary.
@@aidanpryde6588 great point. Ive used longer siding nails for this to. You have more hanging area so to speak on the nail
Can't unsee the angry hat face
57:07 Cant say that in Canada anymore
I would have used a sheet of Exterra, exterior grade mdf ripped to size if its going to be covered in flashing. $25 pine is wasted money.
So question is the lack of sheathing not a structural concern?
I have diagonal framing to adapt for stability. 1 2x4 is $5 vs 2 sheets of osb for $100.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY got it. Yep that will pay for another project.
As far as the overlap goes, couldn't you just use PVC cement to lock the overlapping pieces together for a nicer look?
Say Jeff, are you driving those nails in all the way? I think they need to be driven in, but loose. This way the plastic can expand and not crack...
He literally explains from the beginning to not drive them quite all the way in so the vinyl can move.
@@timothys3119 You got me. Did not hear him say it. But, watched him and his son drive a few all the way in...
46:49 I feel like, if I listened just a little harder, I could understand what the grinder is saying...
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Vinyl siding moratorium where i live.
That is a shame. no better option for the dollar on the market!
Actually it's a good thing because that stuff is eventually going to end up in a landfill. It may be the cheapest possible thing you can sheath an structure with but we have to think about sustainability. I'm kind of surprised that Canada hasn't done that with all the greenies that you have up there. Plus the insects. And drafts. A million ways in with that stuff. @@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@@TheKingOfInappropriateComments - vinyl siding can be recycled and there should be no need for it to be sent to landfill. Google recycling vinyl siding North America and you'll see there's plenty of info on recycling. It's a good point to make, though, especially with the micro-plastics in the environment already.
Vinyl siding isn't used that much in NZ, largely because it has to be made to order in Canada / USA and shipped as a house-lot. So we use wood, brick and fiber cement board instead, because if a repair is needed, it's a quick trip to the hardware store.
Ever see vinyl siding *next to* a house thats on fire?@@richardbaron7106 It melts like a candle.
Where’d that? Do they also have a gas tool ban too?
Ok...let’s strap in for some dangerous tool methods
Great video but the affiliate links that pop up on the screen are extremely annoying and distracting from the video
Is it okay to build a house and not use any insulation board?
yes. if the space is not heated there is no need for insulation. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY The entire home doesn't have insulation board and it definitely has heat. Im afraid to google the problems that can occur.
@@smiles36njcp Just means you're spending a lot more money on heating/cooling costs. The insulation is meant to help you keep the house at whatever temperature you want. You can have insulation put in existing walls for a few grand, cut holes at the top, fill between the studs then repair the holes.
@@AceEverett I didn't google it yet but I was thinking possible condensation problems or mold between walls where cold air meets warmer sheetrock. Thank you for the suggestion about adding spray in insulation.
@@smiles36njcp Condensation would signal your exterior walls (and maybe foundation) need help. Definitely are at higher risk with no insulation though.
When you buy a new house you kind of fall into a trap of believing everything is brand new and top quality. But I see more and more every year how the builder just uses the cheapest crap so that it looks good to the excited new home buyer but doesn’t hold up. Every house in our new build development has vinyl siding that turned wavy within a year. Some even before they were sold, totally warped. Nobody really complained except for me; it’s like why does my new house look 20 years old. We were told it’s normal as there isn’t really any trees to block the sun, but I believe it’s a mix of the installers nailing them too tight and the lowest grade cheapest material the builders could find.
Unless the house is already built, the buyer should have choices regarding materials and fixtures ect. These are upgrades and not likely spent on the siding around the back sides of the house. If there’s no sheathing and it’s a house then that’s F’ed up!! I have seen foil cardboard in the gables of cheap volume builders. And the houses so close together that the sunlight reflects off the windows and warps the neighbors siding.
It’s because they hire anyone they can and no one supervises them. They nail too tight and cut short and all kinds of things they really don’t do much correct. Your yards are usually feet up unconnected fill and top soil so all the utilities settle and like to pull off the house. I just like the ones where they don’t cut the curbs so you have a speed bump to pull in or they put the sidewalks close to the road so you scrap you car as you pull in. Best thing to do is check out another development they own. See if all the driveways are a mess and maybe talk to someone. Those 12 valley roofs will be fun to reroof too. It’s all going to be a mess shortly
That’s the great Uv coating causing the death beams that’s a fun thing too
Need closer camera setting.
im a big proponent of "safety squints" but for the love of god please use some type of eye protection when using a grinder. if the blade fails, etc even tho you're only cutting into vinyl. I was cutting hardy board (cement board siding) even WITH glasses and a piece of dust/particulate got into my eye and cost my boss a couple hundred dollars and a world of pain for me going to the eye doctor immediately after flushing my eyes out didnt do anything. it was like sex when the numbed my eye up once i got there after being in extreme pain for an hour or two. It was the first time i had to call my boss on the phone and say "i'm fucked" i HAVE to go to a doctor. like....NOW.
I used to think "eh as long as I'm not an idiot with the tool, i should be fine for small stuff" until I saw pictures of cut off wheel accidents..... I don't go near them if I can help it and if I can't, then I wear a face shield. I'd rather look like a dork for 5 minutes than lose an eye for the rest of my life (or worse). Most tools I rarely wear ear/eye pro for, aside from stuff like table saws and routers....but cutoff wheels.... yeah that's a big nope from me unless I've got a shield.
You should be trying to sell that church to a non-profit to be used as a career center or something like that.
Love the video's But you need to add the detail or explanation e.g. when you say square up the corner I don't see any lines camera too far away maybe? there is no framing square IDK
@5:51 I prefer if I notched that out a little bit no explanation camera again too far out I can can see the door the fence blue sky but no close up of the rafter tail I guess IDK. @1021 Here's my blue line again camera way too far out I want my blue line here no idea what your pointing to? I can see the grass the fence most of the door but not what you are refering to Anyway don't wanna sound too critical Just a little more detail would really help the novice take advantage of your expertise. Love the videos love your style you seem to enjoy the whole process.Thanks.
That will sting like a bugger.
Just raw dogging it without the guard on the cut of wheel I see
yeah i'd rather get supplies at a supplier who does not have to pay home depot's extortion fee.
It's an ex siding day!
wow we what a mess
That’s definitely not pro like
I'm not a fan of not having a soffit at all, in the rain water is going to be running down everything
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Great information but too far away. I couldn’t see anything you were doing in any detail.
Not interested, hahaha!
Can you reach that? Most likely not…. ON A LADDER !!?! Oh…. Hilarious! My eyes were watering!!! Stomach hurting!!! Funny!