Jamaicans were rappin to reggae music in da late 1960's and early 1970's, they call it toastin instead of rappin tho, dis video is from da early 80's and as you can see they was toastin to Reggae music which would later eventually go on to produce Hip-Hop especially Boom Bap because of how similar it sound to Reggae music but its different at da same time because Boom Bap is American and Reggae is Jamaican so now Trap is similar to Dancehall, Traphall and Drill are da styles of Trap music dat I think is da most similar to Dancehall, Jamaicans influenced Americans when they came to the United States of America because they brought they culture and they music wit dem and all dat.
Yet Jamaican toasting is heavily influenced by African American radio disc jockeys. Jamaicans got toasting from Jocko Henderson but most people don't know this part of music history.
Toasting at heart is just chanting words and singing. Jamaicans and other caribbean musicians were doin that long before they knew about AA radio announcers. All those radio djs did was inspire Jamaicans to chant over music records, esp once dub plates became a things.
Restoration of toasting came from wrapping from the 1950s and 40s from Southern African American DJs that they could receive signals from in Jamaica this fact have been shown multiple times
What the fuck are you talking about there are videos of us RAPING inn the 1920's 1930's and 1940's your tether ass can't even say Rap right but we got it from you in America y'all dont even be listening to rap unless you're American born fr and who do you think influenced that black Americans y'all tethers always trying to still someone culture and at the same time say we have no culture rap is a black american invention purley our creation jazz blues rock and roll scatting soul R&B Gospel funk drill conscientious and many more our music doesn't sound anything alike if it does y'all copied us
It wasn’t safe in Jamaica, Britain or America for that matter. In England the National Front, a fascist and racist backlash to immigration from the British Commenwealth ( including Jamaica) were gaining influence causing violence and rioting. It was certainly not safe (especially if you were black) to go out at night. Thatchers version of stop and frisk, some called “sus law” resulted in police harassing anyone who looked suspicious, or in other words, black. Similar things were happening in America at the same time under Raegan. Maybe it wasn’t felt in suburbia or small town America but was a big deal in the big cities (where the clubs were). The 80’s weren’t safer.
I can’t believe people are arguing over the origin of hip hop. Hip hop took influence from both Jamaican and Black American music. Hip hop is black genre. Nuff said.
www.youtube.com this is a song from 1968 and this is a black american....hip hop is black american / descending from american chattel slavery period. not jamaican, not caribbean, not puerto rican, and not latino.
@@tonisamps5338 its mainly ADOS and FBA that tries to erase Hip Hops Jamaica roots bc yall dont wanna admit one of the most well known and powerful forms of modern black music was started and developed by black immigrants and thier children.....
Back in 1950's and 1960's hundreds of thousand immigrants from Jamaica and the rest of the Caribbean came to Ellis Island NY and they brought their culture with them. Toasting (Rhyming) over beats. Americans copy it and called it Hip Hop and they rhymed in American style.
In 1600-1700 American slaves had 3 types of songs they would sing. Work songs, religious songs and the children had play/game songs. The work and religious songs consisted of soulful holler singing(soul/R&B) the childrens play/game songs were about their worries and anxieties on the plantation, the game they were playing, or just silly stories..... The lyrics were RHYTHMIC TALKING. Both forms of vocal expression went into other forms of African American music. It became popular again in the 1930-1940 with New Orleans blues and jazz music. At this same time new Orleans radio stations be came very popular in Jamaica. The Jamaican people tool to Jazz, blues, and r&b from new Orleans. Leading to the Creation of rock steady, reggae, and ska...... But what's not mentioned is that the blues talking or slave play/game song or "Rapping" influenced the creation of toasting.
Andrew Stewart Toasting already existed in America before Caribbean immigrants came to the United States and African Americans have a toasting tradition. The art of Jamaican toasting was heavily influenced by by African American radio disc jockeys.
@@VS-le2ep no American music form has niabingi drums in it, which is a crucial component of reggae music. Niabingi drums is 100% African. The Rastaman brought that from Africa. Reggae music niabingi drumming and Rhyming over beats came directly from Africa not America. Jamaica is strongly connected to Africa in music and language and America is not. Ghana and Nigeria footprints is all over Jamaica. American slave owners strip away anything African from black Americans long time ago. Yes Reggae had some influences of American Jazz but the core which included niabingi drumming and Ryhming ( toasting) over beats that came to Jamaica from Africa bro. Even up to this day American blacks no nothing about niabingi drums. That type of drumming is used to call upon ancestors and is used in a lot of different African spiritual ceremonies. Niabingi drumming is used a lot in Haiti and Jamaica. There is a big reason why Bob Marley is still touching people spirit today. Not 100% because of his lyrics but because of African instruments in the Reggae music. I see American r & b, gospel and jazz singers, sing similar lyrics but it does not touch the masses as Bob Marley did. Why? Because the instruments in their music is western, European not African. It's not going to touch people that deep, especially black people. So I understand you guys want to take credit for everything but on this Reggae music you don't have a clue. You got to go to Africa for that. As mush as I want to say Reggae is Jamaican music, it really is not. It's African music. The Rastafarian brought those sounds from Ethiopia and the rest of Africa back to Jamaica in the 1920's and 1930's. The Jamaican sound systems that were born out of reggae always look forward to receiving the latest copies of American Jazz and r&b songs from US black sailors. They would then go to the ghetto and blast the music so everyone could hear because some people didn't have radios and tv and that was there only entertainment. The sound system would have the selector and several DJ's(toasters). That is how jamaican sound system culture was created. DJ Kool Herc brought that same culture to the Bronx( sedgewick Ave) and that was when hip hop was created. Plus the majority of blacks in NY are have Caribbean lineages due to the fact that hundred of thousands of Caribbean people came to Ellis island NY in that great migration. When Jamaicans were in the dancehall Ryhming over beats in the 1950's and 1960's Americans were all about Motown, areta Franklin, Percy sledge, James Brown etc. There was no rap, no hip hop but at that time there was reggae and sound system culture in Jamaica. The first sample of a music was done by lee scratch Perry in like 1972.
Stewy 1156 how can you say AAs were stripped entirely from Africa when a lot of their culture and music had some link to Africa from the African slaves, just like most Caribbean countries? How can you say RnB didn’t touch the masses like Marley when Reggae and Soca were influenced by RnB, Jazz, soul, and funk? AAs had their style of toasting before Jamaicans brought their own style of it over. And hip hop was created before Kool Herc came over, they just didn’t call it hip hop. Even DJ Kool Herc admitted that Jamaican toasting wasn’t what influenced the genre. He was doing what the other black people were doing in NYC. I’m Caribbean and I’m ok with admitting that AAs music influenced music genres in the Caribbean and they mostly created hip hop, so stop.
Hip Hop was created from a mix of Jamaican toasting, dancehall, funk, disco, and various other artforms. Hip Hop was an American artform, not a Jamaican artform, since it was created from numerous genres.
bullsht the origins of rap and hip hop began on the plantations in the u.s.a. on the plantations it was called "playing the dozens". it was similar to what they do on wildin out.
Sound system culture predates disco by at least 30 years. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Toasting comes from calypso and mento. It’s possible that dispersed African peoples have similar cultural traditions lol we know toasting, rapping, jive talk, calypso singers, etc etc all derived from West African griots. No need to make stuff up
@@user-yk1km9sk3d "Toasting is a style of lyrical chanting which in Dancehall music involves a deejay talking over a riddim. Though the art of chanting over a beat is quite ancient, and found in many African-based musical traditions, Toasting became quite popular in Jamaica in the late 1960's and early 1970's. With the use of "sound systems" (travelling deejays and producers with large speakers and a library of beats and riddims) Toasting became a part of the musical entertainment. " African/Black Americans didn't inspire Jamaicans to start emceeing on the mic. They've been doing that even before Mento was made in the 1920's. People forgets how Jamaica was starved of modern technology to even have Radios for many of the people. American music wasn't heard properly until the mid 1960's.
@@Mya_waterBlack Americans were rapping for a long time look up the Jubalaires…they’re a precursor to rap music. From the 1930s to 1960…yall can have influence without trying to erase us
As well as the original idea behind hip hop, I would say that 80s/90s rave owed a lot to Jamaican dub; it took the psychedelic element and upped the tempo.
the idea that Hip-hop comes from Jamaica is a myth that circulated in the 90s. This myth is still alive because people usually get the breakbeat DJ technique confused with dub. Dub was a pre-recorded version of the song on the B-side of records, whereas the DJ technique that Herc is credited for is just an extension of the drum break in funk and soul songs, played on two turntables next to each other. The breakbeat is said to have dated back to 1965, before Herc moved to the Bronx from Jamaica. Herc was only 12 years of age when he moved to New York. He would mimic the technique from the first known DJ to use it - Disco King Mario. Drum breaks are also recorded on African American funk and soul songs from the early 1970s. For example, ‘Move on Up’ by Curtis Mayfield uses one. Jamaican sound systems weren’t used in Hip-hop. Herc did not fly over to the states at the age of 12 and bring his sound system with him. Instead, he would buy Disco equipment from the music shops in America and use that. Kool Herc played BBoy breaks as well as Disco. Caribbean teens had to adjust their accent and style to fit in with the BBoy culture, otherwise they would get ‘snapp’d’ on. This was an African American form of teasing. Toasting on the mic was influenced by African American radio ‘jive-talks’ from when Jamaicans worked on the American South as sugar cutters. Jamaican DJ Count Matchuki is on record saying this. Although Reggae has lots of Calypso and Mento influence in it, early ska is heavily influenced by American R&B. Chris Blackwell, the founder of Island Records, brought records from artists such as Rosco Gordon to Jamaica. Artists such as Millie Small and Ernest Ranglin were the first to cover these songs. This was the birth of early ska. The song ‘My Boy Lollipop’ is a cover of the R&B song ‘My Girl Lollipop’ by the Cadillacs. This off-beat shuffle was used in early ska before it was slowed down and more Calypso and Mento influence was brought back into Jamaican music.
@@miles__fm You are wrong. "The conceptual-though not technological-roots of sampling originate primarily in the rich musical tradition of Jamaica. Populated mostly by descendants of West African slaves, Jamaica gained independence from British colonial rule in 1962. Around that time, music was disseminated in Jamaica largely by way of "sound systems":massive sets of amplifiers and speakers that were moved from town to town to entertain dancers at outdoor parties. This was due in part to the severe economic disadvantage suffered by most Jamaicans, who have little disposable income to spend on records or tickets to attend live performances, and also because the elitist state-owned radio stations for a long time shunned the music of the people in favor of American and British pop stars. Records were played by the sound system's "selector," who chose the songs and announced them over his microphone. Sometime around 1956, a few selectors began experimenting with talking over their records, rather than simply between them-incorporating the jive slang of Black Americans with patois, a distinctive West Indian dialect of English. This "chatting" or "toasting" was a hit with audiences and other selectors began to follow suit. Owners of sound systems competed fiercely (sometimes even violently) to garner respect and admiration from fans and soon began to try to gain advantage on the competition by commissioning local musicians to record Jamaican-styled instrumental versions of popular American southern soul songs. These exclusive "versions," pressed to acetate records, allowed the systems' selectors to rhyme over the entire track instead of just the instrumental breaks in a commercial release. A unique new breed of indigenous music soon began to emerge, fusing the vocal stylings of Jamaican selectors with recycled rhythms ("riddims" in patois) taken mostly from existing hits. The selector/DJ/sound system arrangement was an integral component in the development of Jamaican music through the twentieth century, as it evolved from its African roots and native Calypso folk sounds such as mento, to rocksteady and ska in the 1950s and 60s, and on to reggae, a genre that was exported to the world with great success beginning in the 1970s. It is also the primary ancestor of the hugely successful genre of Black American music alternately known as rap or hip hop." DIGITAL SAMPLING:A CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE Henry Self
Hip-hop is a form of popular CULTURE which started among young BLACK people in the United States in the 1970s.Started by Members of the black Spades in Bronxdale Housing at Rosedale Park czcams.com/video/zLtV0l7pqwM/video.html
Herc did mc he just didn’t solely do it. He did DJing and sound engineered. As in Jamaican tradition. DJs were mcs. Jamaicans don’t make this claim. You can barely comprehend basic sentences and concepts black American. Stop your fake whining at things that aren’t even an injustice like Americans always do.
@@sefp loads of people are saying herc brought toasting from Jamaica to the Bronx. He was only 12 years old. Toasting did not come from Jamaica. There was rapping from black Americans that went back to the 1900s. Hip hop would still exist without herc, he didn’t invent breakbests
@@sefp ok then what influence did he bring to the US? Herc moved there when he was 12, he was surrounded by Afro American culture for the rest of his life, so what did he bring from Jamaica? He had to adjust his accent and the way he dressed to fit in with the BBoys and hip hop culture
Toasting is simply talking and chanting to the audience to demand their attention, while doing it over a played record at the same time; Am I right? Please let me know
I also forgot to put this in my guess that it is also done to honor someone and/or putting the audience to a specific mood, like excitement, simply feeling good, wanting to dance, or all of the above and toasting is like giving a toast to honor something in a short speech, that’s what I heard where the technique got its name, ok that’s it, please let me know what you think
"The conceptual-though not technological-roots of sampling originate primarily in the rich musical tradition of Jamaica. Populated mostly by descendants of West African slaves, Jamaica gained independence from British colonial rule in 1962. Around that time, music was disseminated in Jamaica largely by way of "sound systems":massive sets of amplifiers and speakers that were moved from town to town to entertain dancers at outdoor parties. This was due in part to the severe economic disadvantage suffered by most Jamaicans, who have little disposable income to spend on records or tickets to attend live performances, and also because the elitist state-owned radio stations for a long time shunned the music of the people in favor of American and British pop stars. Records were played by the sound system's "selector," who chose the songs and announced them over his microphone. Sometime around 1956, a few selectors began experimenting with talking over their records, rather than simply between them-incorporating the jive slang of Black Americans with patois, a distinctive West Indian dialect of English. This "chatting" or "toasting" was a hit with audiences and other selectors began to follow suit. Owners of sound systems competed fiercely (sometimes even violently) to garner respect and admiration from fans and soon began to try to gain advantage on the competition by commissioning local musicians to record Jamaican-styled instrumental versions of popular American southern soul songs. These exclusive "versions," pressed to acetate records, allowed the systems' selectors to rhyme over the entire track instead of just the instrumental breaks in a commercial release. A unique new breed of indigenous music soon began to emerge, fusing the vocal stylings of Jamaican selectors with recycled rhythms ("riddims" in patois) taken mostly from existing hits. The selector/DJ/sound system arrangement was an integral component in the development of Jamaican music through the twentieth century, as it evolved from its African roots and native Calypso folk sounds such as mento, to rocksteady and ska in the 1950s and 60s, and on to reggae, a genre that was exported to the world with great success beginning in the 1970s. It is also the primary ancestor of the hugely successful genre of Black American music alternately known as rap or hip hop." DIGITAL SAMPLING:A CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE Henry Self
@@trevormcdonald385 When it comes to Jamaica toasting come from black American disc jockey Ska music rock steady reggae dance hall come out of black American music
Funny since dubstep came from dub, which is part of reggae music, you can hear it through the techniques of echo and reverb, along with what I can guess, other kinds of technological manipulations of music and sound
Jamaicans want to take credit for the creation of hip-hop because of DJ Kool Herc and Afrika Bambaataa yet hip-hop origins is more rooted in Black American culture.
hip hop started as funk played on a jamaican soundsystem using Jamaican DJ techniques.......herc used to toast while his mc coke la rock was more of the rapper.....
@@sioul8485 yeah Hip Hop wouldn't be anything like we know today without the Jamaican soundsystems (double turn tables) and toasting style. Obviously most of the Hip Hop sound was heavily influenced by James brown's music breakbeats..
0:01 Valerie Chang talking to Jools Holland 0:30 Yellowman 0:45 Barry G 2:10 Massive Dread 2:50 Billy Boyo 3:13 Lee Van Cliff 3:55 Eek-A-Mouse Riddims used in clip: Taxi Riddim, Baby I Love You Riddim and Answer Riddim (when Massive Dread is walking on stage)
sorry but the origins of rap and hip hop began on the plantations in the u.s.a. on the plantations it was called "playing the dozens". it was similar to what they do on wildin out.
This is singing. I wouldn't call "toasting" rapping if this is the example. As for the call and response, that's an African thing that I'm sure continued in every land the African went. And the descendants continued it. But we were doing that in Black American music since the 30's.
@@NanoWoo I feel like it came from a lot of influences but I mean biggie busta Pete rock all were first generation Jamaicans. DJ kool herc was Jamaican himself
@@sioul8485 Toasting on the mic was influenced by African American radio ‘jive-talks’ from when Jamaicans worked on the American South as sugar cutters. Jamaican DJ Count Matchuki is on record saying this.
I feel like black peoples in America are the same as black people in Jamaica. Look up dj kool herc. They say he was the first dj in New York playing only break beats. Busts rhymes mos def pete rock biggie smalls are all first generation Jamaicans. The lady in the record says they “sing talk on records” not to mention the use of massive sound systems people from London to New York knew that that was Jamaican thing. Not only a Jamaican thing but Jamaicans really did that. Black people in America created funk and rock and roll which really influenced Jamaican music. Full circle we are the same and the music is just an expression of our beautiful culture. As a 1st gen Jamaican I’m proud of this.
@bobbigreenandthesynthesize2400 false! Kool Herc said when he was trying to bring in his jamaican influence. He sad the black Americans wasn't fooling with his sound until he pulled and got inspiration from James Brown. He said that. Jamaicans have a beautiful culture, but don't try and hijack ours!
Xavier Gomez hip hop started in the bronx and got influenced from every genre such as funk, soul, blue, jazz, its not only this. DJ Kool Herc was Jamaican though. I think I expressed myself wrong. Reggae also influened the music of course but its not the only genre - thats my point
@@BennyNegroFromQueens and rap goes back to the 1920s with jazz musicians like Louis Armstrong rhyming on the beat. Toasting was created when Jamaica listened to the radio and heard African American jive talkers on it. They even used American slang from Dr Hepcat’s slang book mixed with patois. Count matchuki is on record saying this
the last man stepping in with a mariachi hat and Serape is god tier greatness.
Eek-a-Mouse, reggae legend
This is priceless!! Yes, you can not know real Hip-Hop culture without knowing it's Jamaican roots. Much Respect & One Love!
it's just a version i think
Unfortunately jamaican toasting was influenced by African American jive talks, and sound systems in jamaica were influenced by disco equipment
Can u help me khowing it plz plz i want to go to the roots
Jamaicans were rappin to reggae music in da late 1960's and early 1970's, they call it toastin instead of rappin tho, dis video is from da early 80's and as you can see they was toastin to Reggae music which would later eventually go on to produce Hip-Hop especially Boom Bap because of how similar it sound to Reggae music but its different at da same time because Boom Bap is American and Reggae is Jamaican so now Trap is similar to Dancehall, Traphall and Drill are da styles of Trap music dat I think is da most similar to Dancehall, Jamaicans influenced Americans when they came to the United States of America because they brought they culture and they music wit dem and all dat.
@@user-yk1km9sk3d disco didnt even exist yet when jamaicans first formed sound systems u moron
Yet Jamaican toasting is heavily influenced by African American radio disc jockeys. Jamaicans got toasting from Jocko Henderson but most people don't know this part of music history.
The father of the Hip-Hop style (Jamaican) sound system was born in Kingston Jamaica too.
Toasting at heart is just chanting words and singing. Jamaicans and other caribbean musicians were doin that long before they knew about AA radio announcers. All those radio djs did was inspire Jamaicans to chant over music records, esp once dub plates became a things.
@@sioul8485 That's not toasting. Toasting is African American, not Jamaican. You clearly are one confused and uninformed person.
Beutiful❤
How???
Didnt know it was called Toasting .Loved it
Restoration of toasting came from wrapping from the 1950s and 40s from Southern African American DJs that they could receive signals from in Jamaica this fact have been shown multiple times
What the fuck are you talking about there are videos of us RAPING inn the 1920's 1930's and 1940's your tether ass can't even say Rap right but we got it from you in America y'all dont even be listening to rap unless you're American born fr and who do you think influenced that black Americans y'all tethers always trying to still someone culture and at the same time say we have no culture rap is a black american invention purley our creation jazz blues rock and roll scatting soul R&B Gospel funk drill conscientious and many more our music doesn't sound anything alike if it does y'all copied us
Its so crazy seeing Yellowman like this on here.
King Yellowman is the DON!!!
Classic!
Wonderful Original Footage.
This was a time when it was safe to go out at nights!
You think that, didn't you hear the man say someone snuck a M16 in the club???
It wasn’t safe in Jamaica, Britain or America for that matter. In England the National Front, a fascist and racist backlash to immigration from the British Commenwealth ( including Jamaica) were gaining influence causing violence and rioting. It was certainly not safe (especially if you were black) to go out at night. Thatchers version of stop and frisk, some called “sus law” resulted in police harassing anyone who looked suspicious, or in other words, black. Similar things were happening in America at the same time under Raegan. Maybe it wasn’t felt in suburbia or small town America but was a big deal in the big cities (where the clubs were). The 80’s weren’t safer.
This video is from the 80s. How would it be the origin of hip hop if hip hop started in '73 ?
Eek A Mouse in the Chinese/Japanese style....dressed like a Mexican....PRICELESS!!!
I've never been to Jamaica but I presume its hot, I am mexican and have worn a zarape and those are usually quite hot. How is he not melting?
@@barakiji he’s in the uk at this i think. a british person asked the other guy a question so it’s probably a uk rave.
Eek a mouse steal di bloodclaat show!! Big forward ! Eek a mouse Big up yu self King!
I love how the crowd loses its shit when Eek-A-Mouse comes out.
A wadudem Love me some Eek-a -mouse❤❤❤
There are 4 original American musical art forms in my opinion. Jazz, blues, country and hip hop.
A lot more, but I guess they would be considered country. Like the Appalaichian folk music.
rock and rolll
The best was the last one with that mexican clothes
He's called Eek a Mouse!
Eek is trash
Eek A Mouse was truly like the Snoop Dogg of the singjays/deejays/toasters.
Perfect example
Much Love 🙌🏽🎶🗣🎙🎤🇨🇴
Salute empress
Also remember EekA Mouse played "Smitty" in New Jack City...."Ah whey di bumboclawt....." before he got "toasted"
Joolz SLIGHT PAUSE he loves his music man PAUSE Jeez I love that dood..
I can’t believe people are arguing over the origin of hip hop. Hip hop took influence from both Jamaican and Black American music. Hip hop is black genre. Nuff said.
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this is a song from 1968 and this is a black american....hip hop is black american / descending from american chattel slavery period. not jamaican, not caribbean, not puerto rican, and not latino.
@@tonisamps5338 its mainly ADOS and FBA that tries to erase Hip Hops Jamaica roots bc yall dont wanna admit one of the most well known and powerful forms of modern black music was started and developed by black immigrants and thier children.....
bc if thats acknowledged then u cant sell propoganda that black immigrants solely take and dont contribute to the black community
@@tonisamps5338 hunnid
Even hip hop fashion came from Jamaica. African Americans just wanna claim everything even our dialects and language 😑
Back in 1950's and 1960's hundreds of thousand immigrants from Jamaica and the rest of the Caribbean came to Ellis Island NY and they brought their culture with them. Toasting (Rhyming) over beats. Americans copy it and called it Hip Hop and they rhymed in American style.
In 1600-1700 American slaves had 3 types of songs they would sing. Work songs, religious songs and the children had play/game songs. The work and religious songs consisted of soulful holler singing(soul/R&B) the childrens play/game songs were about their worries and anxieties on the plantation, the game they were playing, or just silly stories..... The lyrics were RHYTHMIC TALKING. Both forms of vocal expression went into other forms of African American music. It became popular again in the 1930-1940 with New Orleans blues and jazz music. At this same time new Orleans radio stations be came very popular in Jamaica. The Jamaican people tool to Jazz, blues, and r&b from new Orleans. Leading to the Creation of rock steady, reggae, and ska...... But what's not mentioned is that the blues talking or slave play/game song or "Rapping" influenced the creation of toasting.
Andrew Stewart Toasting already existed in America before Caribbean immigrants came to the United States and African Americans have a toasting tradition. The art of Jamaican toasting was heavily influenced by by African American radio disc jockeys.
reggae, ska, rocksteady and jamaican sound systems were influenced by american jazz, RnBlues and rock-and-roll records much earlier
@@VS-le2ep no American music form has niabingi drums in it, which is a crucial component of reggae music. Niabingi drums is 100% African. The Rastaman brought that from Africa. Reggae music niabingi drumming and Rhyming over beats came directly from Africa not America. Jamaica is strongly connected to Africa in music and language and America is not. Ghana and Nigeria footprints is all over Jamaica. American slave owners strip away anything African from black Americans long time ago. Yes Reggae had some influences of American Jazz but the core which included niabingi drumming and Ryhming ( toasting) over beats that came to Jamaica from Africa bro. Even up to this day American blacks no nothing about niabingi drums. That type of drumming is used to call upon ancestors and is used in a lot of different African spiritual ceremonies. Niabingi drumming is used a lot in Haiti and Jamaica. There is a big reason why Bob Marley is still touching people spirit today. Not 100% because of his lyrics but because of African instruments in the Reggae music. I see American r & b, gospel and jazz singers, sing similar lyrics but it does not touch the masses as Bob Marley did. Why? Because the instruments in their music is western, European not African. It's not going to touch people that deep, especially black people. So I understand you guys want to take credit for everything but on this Reggae music you don't have a clue. You got to go to Africa for that. As mush as I want to say Reggae is Jamaican music, it really is not. It's African music. The Rastafarian brought those sounds from Ethiopia and the rest of Africa back to Jamaica in the 1920's and 1930's. The Jamaican sound systems that were born out of reggae always look forward to receiving the latest copies of American Jazz and r&b songs from US black sailors. They would then go to the ghetto and blast the music so everyone could hear because some people didn't have radios and tv and that was there only entertainment. The sound system would have the selector and several DJ's(toasters). That is how jamaican sound system culture was created. DJ Kool Herc brought that same culture to the Bronx( sedgewick Ave) and that was when hip hop was created. Plus the majority of blacks in NY are have Caribbean lineages due to the fact that hundred of thousands of Caribbean people came to Ellis island NY in that great migration. When Jamaicans were in the dancehall Ryhming over beats in the 1950's and 1960's Americans were all about Motown, areta Franklin, Percy sledge, James Brown etc. There was no rap, no hip hop but at that time there was reggae and sound system culture in Jamaica. The first sample of a music was done by lee scratch Perry in like 1972.
Stewy 1156 how can you say AAs were stripped entirely from Africa when a lot of their culture and music had some link to Africa from the African slaves, just like most Caribbean countries? How can you say RnB didn’t touch the masses like Marley when Reggae and Soca were influenced by RnB, Jazz, soul, and funk? AAs had their style of toasting before Jamaicans brought their own style of it over. And hip hop was created before Kool Herc came over, they just didn’t call it hip hop. Even DJ Kool Herc admitted that Jamaican toasting wasn’t what influenced the genre. He was doing what the other black people were doing in NYC. I’m Caribbean and I’m ok with admitting that AAs music influenced music genres in the Caribbean and they mostly created hip hop, so stop.
When dance was nice
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Hip Hop was created from a mix of Jamaican toasting, dancehall, funk, disco, and various other artforms.
Hip Hop was an American artform, not a Jamaican artform, since it was created from numerous genres.
in my opinion it's an african form of art no denying thats all black music
Brandon Perry I agree... specifically it's Black American music.
Brandon Perry black "american", its a long way from african to be honest...
***** It still has Jamaican influence
Xavier Gomez and most of jamaicas people originate from africa!
These are the ORIGINS OF HIP HOP
bullsht the origins of rap and hip hop began on the plantations in the u.s.a. on the plantations it was called "playing the dozens". it was similar to what they do on wildin out.
Two things can be true at once lol
Unfortunately jamaican toasting was influenced by African American jive talks, and sound systems in jamaica were influenced by disco equipment
Sound system culture predates disco by at least 30 years. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Toasting comes from calypso and mento. It’s possible that dispersed African peoples have similar cultural traditions lol we know toasting, rapping, jive talk, calypso singers, etc etc all derived from West African griots. No need to make stuff up
@@user-yk1km9sk3d "Toasting is a style of lyrical chanting which in Dancehall music involves a deejay talking over a riddim. Though the art of chanting over a beat is quite ancient, and found in many African-based musical traditions, Toasting became quite popular in Jamaica in the late 1960's and early 1970's. With the use of "sound systems" (travelling deejays and producers with large speakers and a library of beats and riddims) Toasting became a part of the musical entertainment.
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African/Black Americans didn't inspire Jamaicans to start emceeing on the mic. They've been doing that even before Mento was made in the 1920's. People forgets how Jamaica was starved of modern technology to even have Radios for many of the people. American music wasn't heard properly until the mid 1960's.
You Trying To Say Hip Hop Came From This?🤔🤔🤷🤷
They delusional😂
It's a precursor
@@LustGawdJah Show me in America they were doing this before?
@@Mya_water czcams.com/video/Wx0oU1OnHf8/video.htmlsi=ALEjJRUqgT5Tk19w this was 1940 mind you
@@Mya_waterBlack Americans were rapping for a long time look up the Jubalaires…they’re a precursor to rap music. From the 1930s to 1960…yall can have influence without trying to erase us
what a misshapp that i wasn't there
As well as the original idea behind hip hop, I would say that 80s/90s rave owed a lot to Jamaican dub; it took the psychedelic element and upped the tempo.
Breakbeat hardcore (rave music) is most definitely influenced by dub music
Toasting Ska music rock steady reggae dance hall come from black American music
The break beat come from black American dance to certain part of the beat
Hip hop been going on 1960 by earlier dj's that influence kool herc
Dub plate come from toasting they use to turn down the vocals and toast on the beat which comes from the black America radio station disc jockey
There are a lot of misconceptions regarding the origins of hip-hop.
So toasting in reggae was the predecessor of rapping in the United States. Very interesting.
Yeh man.toasting was well ahead of rap.real roots come from Africa.
It go like dis.
Africa Jamaica America.
No it absolutely was not. It's 100% Black American.
@@MSILBB dont show your ignorance. Africa Jamaica America. In dat order bludclaat!
@@MSILBB that is not accurate. it is not 100%black american. research it
@@maakeklein4073 that was my understanding as well
3:21 - 3:31 is HILAAAAAAARIOUS. These fools didnt create no hiphop. 😂
Is that Jools Holland?!
Origins of rap
Man if you don't get the F outta here with that BS!
Stop trying to steal FBA culture.
If anything, yall tethers were influenced by US
Dis is where rap/hip-hop started
the idea that Hip-hop comes from Jamaica is a myth that circulated in the 90s. This myth is still alive because people usually get the breakbeat DJ technique confused with dub. Dub was a pre-recorded version of the song on the B-side of records, whereas the DJ technique that Herc is credited for is just an extension of the drum break in funk and soul songs, played on two turntables next to each other. The breakbeat is said to have dated back to 1965, before Herc moved to the Bronx from Jamaica. Herc was only 12 years of age when he moved to New York. He would mimic the technique from the first known DJ to use it - Disco King Mario. Drum breaks are also recorded on African American funk and soul songs from the early 1970s. For example, ‘Move on Up’ by Curtis Mayfield uses one. Jamaican sound systems weren’t used in Hip-hop. Herc did not fly over to the states at the age of 12 and bring his sound system with him. Instead, he would buy Disco equipment from the music shops in America and use that. Kool Herc played BBoy breaks as well as Disco. Caribbean teens had to adjust their accent and style to fit in with the BBoy culture, otherwise they would get ‘snapp’d’ on. This was an African American form of teasing.
Toasting on the mic was influenced by African American radio ‘jive-talks’ from when Jamaicans worked on the American South as sugar cutters. Jamaican DJ Count Matchuki is on record saying this.
Although Reggae has lots of Calypso and Mento influence in it, early ska is heavily influenced by American R&B. Chris Blackwell, the founder of Island Records, brought records from artists such as Rosco Gordon to Jamaica. Artists such as Millie Small and Ernest Ranglin were the first to cover these songs. This was the birth of early ska. The song ‘My Boy Lollipop’ is a cover of the R&B song ‘My Girl Lollipop’ by the Cadillacs. This off-beat shuffle was used in early ska before it was slowed down and more Calypso and Mento influence was brought back into Jamaican music.
@@miles__fm snapped on? So they were bullies basically lol
@@miles__fm
You are wrong.
"The conceptual-though not technological-roots of sampling
originate primarily in the rich musical tradition of Jamaica. Populated
mostly by descendants of West African slaves, Jamaica gained independence from British colonial rule in 1962. Around that time, music was
disseminated in Jamaica largely by way of "sound systems":massive
sets of amplifiers and speakers that were moved from town to town to
entertain dancers at outdoor parties. This was due in part to the severe economic disadvantage suffered by most Jamaicans, who have little disposable income to spend on records or tickets to attend live
performances, and also because the elitist state-owned radio stations
for a long time shunned the music of the people in favor of American
and British pop stars. Records were played by the sound system's "selector," who chose the songs and announced them over his microphone.
Sometime around 1956, a few selectors began experimenting with talking over their records, rather than simply between them-incorporating the jive slang of Black Americans with patois, a distinctive West Indian
dialect of English. This "chatting" or "toasting" was a hit with audiences and other selectors began to follow suit. Owners of sound systems competed fiercely (sometimes even violently) to garner respect
and admiration from fans and soon began to try to gain advantage on
the competition by commissioning local musicians to record Jamaican-styled instrumental versions of popular American southern soul songs. These exclusive "versions," pressed to acetate records, allowed the systems' selectors to rhyme over the entire track instead of just the instrumental breaks in a commercial release. A unique new breed of
indigenous music soon began to emerge, fusing the vocal stylings of
Jamaican selectors with recycled rhythms ("riddims" in patois) taken
mostly from existing hits.
The selector/DJ/sound system arrangement was an integral component in the development of Jamaican music through the twentieth century, as it evolved from its African roots and native Calypso folk
sounds such as mento, to rocksteady and ska in the 1950s and 60s, and
on to reggae, a genre that was exported to the world with great success
beginning in the 1970s. It is also the primary ancestor of the hugely
successful genre of Black American music alternately known as rap or
hip hop."
DIGITAL SAMPLING:A CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE
Henry Self
Hip Hop started in the 70's
Hip-hop is a form of popular CULTURE which started among young BLACK people in the United States in the 1970s.Started by Members of the black Spades in Bronxdale Housing at Rosedale Park czcams.com/video/zLtV0l7pqwM/video.html
that second guys toast was an old Johnny Horton song
ORIGINAL MAN SLAM RAP TOAST
It bothers me how Jamaicans try to paint DJ Kool Herc as an "MC" and keep erasing Coke La Rock.
Herc did mc he just didn’t solely do it. He did DJing and sound engineered. As in Jamaican tradition. DJs were mcs. Jamaicans don’t make this claim. You can barely comprehend basic sentences and concepts black American.
Stop your fake whining at things that aren’t even an injustice like Americans always do.
@@sefp loads of people are saying herc brought toasting from Jamaica to the Bronx. He was only 12 years old. Toasting did not come from Jamaica. There was rapping from black Americans that went back to the 1900s. Hip hop would still exist without herc, he didn’t invent breakbests
@@miles__fm no. Your dumb or disingenuous. Children don’t grow up and purvey their culture as adults 🤦
@@sefp ok then what influence did he bring to the US?
Herc moved there when he was 12, he was surrounded by Afro American culture for the rest of his life, so what did he bring from Jamaica? He had to adjust his accent and the way he dressed to fit in with the BBoys and hip hop culture
@@miles__fm whatdabombclat
Toasting is simply talking and chanting to the audience to demand their attention, while doing it over a played record at the same time; Am I right? Please let me know
I also forgot to put this in my guess that it is also done to honor someone and/or putting the audience to a specific mood, like excitement, simply feeling good, wanting to dance, or all of the above and toasting is like giving a toast to honor something in a short speech, that’s what I heard where the technique got its name, ok that’s it, please let me know what you think
eek a mouse?
those r the legends yellowman boyo dread
nice video
Used to sneak out to go to MANY dances in Jamaica in the 70s...NEVER heard the term toasting. Ppl would say such and such is DJing on the mic.
"The conceptual-though not technological-roots of sampling
originate primarily in the rich musical tradition of Jamaica. Populated
mostly by descendants of West African slaves, Jamaica gained independence from British colonial rule in 1962. Around that time, music was
disseminated in Jamaica largely by way of "sound systems":massive
sets of amplifiers and speakers that were moved from town to town to
entertain dancers at outdoor parties. This was due in part to the severe economic disadvantage suffered by most Jamaicans, who have little disposable income to spend on records or tickets to attend live
performances, and also because the elitist state-owned radio stations
for a long time shunned the music of the people in favor of American
and British pop stars. Records were played by the sound system's "selector," who chose the songs and announced them over his microphone.
Sometime around 1956, a few selectors began experimenting with talking over their records, rather than simply between them-incorporating the jive slang of Black Americans with patois, a distinctive West Indian
dialect of English. This "chatting" or "toasting" was a hit with audiences and other selectors began to follow suit. Owners of sound systems competed fiercely (sometimes even violently) to garner respect
and admiration from fans and soon began to try to gain advantage on
the competition by commissioning local musicians to record Jamaican-styled instrumental versions of popular American southern soul songs. These exclusive "versions," pressed to acetate records, allowed the systems' selectors to rhyme over the entire track instead of just the instrumental breaks in a commercial release. A unique new breed of
indigenous music soon began to emerge, fusing the vocal stylings of
Jamaican selectors with recycled rhythms ("riddims" in patois) taken
mostly from existing hits.
The selector/DJ/sound system arrangement was an integral component in the development of Jamaican music through the twentieth century, as it evolved from its African roots and native Calypso folk
sounds such as mento, to rocksteady and ska in the 1950s and 60s, and
on to reggae, a genre that was exported to the world with great success
beginning in the 1970s. It is also the primary ancestor of the hugely
successful genre of Black American music alternately known as rap or
hip hop."
DIGITAL SAMPLING:A CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE
Henry Self
Toasting come from the black Americans disc jockey
@@washonmontgomery946
Wrong
czcams.com/video/aASQlbktGkc/video.html
@@washonmontgomery946 how can you claim to have originated talking over a beat?
@@trevormcdonald385 are you stupid
@@trevormcdonald385 When it comes to Jamaica toasting come from black American disc jockey Ska music rock steady reggae dance hall come out of black American music
2:15 there is the first dubstep "womp"
Lmaoo
Funny since dubstep came from dub, which is part of reggae music, you can hear it through the techniques of echo and reverb, along with what I can guess, other kinds of technological manipulations of music and sound
What is the EXACT date of this... timelines can be altered just like history.
Jamaicans want to take credit for the creation of hip-hop because of DJ Kool Herc and Afrika Bambaataa yet hip-hop origins is more rooted in Black American culture.
even Kool Herc says it was James Brown the biggest inspiration
NaughtyGawd Exactly! Kool Herc says the Hustlers convention.
Your fucking stupid 😂 yes it had a bigger impact and was more popular their but it all started here my guy
hip hop started as funk played on a jamaican soundsystem using Jamaican DJ techniques.......herc used to toast while his mc coke la rock was more of the rapper.....
@@sioul8485 yeah Hip Hop wouldn't be anything like we know today without the Jamaican soundsystems (double turn tables) and toasting style. Obviously most of the Hip Hop sound was heavily influenced by James brown's music breakbeats..
Where did this footage come from? Super dope stuff
BBC Jools In Jamaica 1985
Yes legends ...
lee van cliff....rip
Hip Hop
Could someone name all the singers, respectively with each appearance in this video?
0:01 Valerie Chang talking to Jools Holland
0:30 Yellowman
0:45 Barry G
2:10 Massive Dread
2:50 Billy Boyo
3:13 Lee Van Cliff
3:55 Eek-A-Mouse
Riddims used in clip: Taxi Riddim, Baby I Love You Riddim and Answer Riddim (when Massive Dread is walking on stage)
@@Coleman_H Thank you kindly.
sorry but the origins of rap and hip hop began on the plantations in the u.s.a. on the plantations it was called "playing the dozens". it was similar to what they do on wildin out.
This is from the early 1980's it has nothing to do with Hip Hop. Hip Hop influenced this style of Dance Hall music.
he knows hes the shit! :D
is that King Yellowman?
This is singing. I wouldn't call "toasting" rapping if this is the example.
As for the call and response, that's an African thing that I'm sure continued in every land the African went. And the descendants continued it.
But we were doing that in Black American music since the 30's.
Right!!!!
L'ENTRATA DI EEK A MOUSE è TUTTO
This is RAW SHIT...LOVE IT!!!!
@MaliMasih88
'djs sing talk on records riddims' big ups
and what sonng is he performing
Hip hop probably came to America through new York though all the Jamaicans that came via new York harbor
Computerluv Hip Hop started in the Bronx by Puerto Rican’s.
NOPE because no early Hip Hop records or Tapes sounded like this.
@@NanoWoo I feel like it came from a lot of influences but I mean biggie busta Pete rock all were first generation Jamaicans. DJ kool herc was Jamaican himself
That's a lie
@newnewworlhdsymphony hip hop is 100 percent American Jamaicans only participated
It's all black man
@newnewworldsymphony wah u sayin?
This is definitely NOT Hiphop. This is reggae. This sounds nothing like Hiphop.
This shit is so damn funny 2me😂😂😂😂
Hip-hop is 100% Black American. This video simply showcases Black American influence.
what black american influence u see here? tell me an inquiring mind wants to know
@@sioul8485 Toasting on the mic was influenced by African American radio ‘jive-talks’ from when Jamaicans worked on the American South as sugar cutters. Jamaican DJ Count Matchuki is on record saying this.
I can’t see any American influence in this
@@trevormcdonald385 me too.
The history ot Hip Hop born in Jamaica. DJ Kool Herc, who is recognized as the first hip hop DJ born there.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the Hip-Hop lmao. Boy, they just hate to give black people from America credit for anything
I feel like black peoples in America are the same as black people in Jamaica. Look up dj kool herc. They say he was the first dj in New York playing only break beats. Busts rhymes mos def pete rock biggie smalls are all first generation Jamaicans. The lady in the record says they “sing talk on records” not to mention the use of massive sound systems people from London to New York knew that that was Jamaican thing. Not only a Jamaican thing but Jamaicans really did that. Black people in America created funk and rock and roll which really influenced Jamaican music. Full circle we are the same and the music is just an expression of our beautiful culture. As a 1st gen Jamaican I’m proud of this.
@bobbigreenandthesynthesize2400 false! Kool Herc said when he was trying to bring in his jamaican influence. He sad the black Americans wasn't fooling with his sound until he pulled and got inspiration from James Brown. He said that. Jamaicans have a beautiful culture, but don't try and hijack ours!
why do people still try to was away the Caribbean influence in hip hop
jealousy
@hostileroots #1 in the hood g
Hip hop didn’t start in the 80’s
So toasting = ragga singing?
Mr.Low eyes...
Dis where hip hop originate from
MS. ILBB ok then , prove it.
+louie maldonado you're both wrong hip hop is only partially influenced by this
+louie maldonado only the rapping part is influenced by this, not the hip hop genre it self.
No the production is influenced by this as well
Xavier Gomez
hip hop started in the bronx and got influenced from every genre such as funk, soul, blue, jazz, its not only this. DJ Kool Herc was Jamaican though.
I think I expressed myself wrong. Reggae also influened the music of course but its not the only genre - thats my point
does anyone know the guy that comes on at 3:11
Lee van cliff
does somebody know whats the song at 3:40 ?
King of the crop
Like kool moe dee told LL don't make me🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't see a difference. Toasting & deejaying is the same
It's the style. This is the precursor to rap sweetie.
@@BennyNegroFromQueens no it’s not toasting was influenced by rap
@@nisalocalldn414 uh, Toasting is from at least the 60s maybe earlier sweetie.
@@BennyNegroFromQueens and rap goes back to the 1920s with jazz musicians like Louis Armstrong rhyming on the beat. Toasting was created when Jamaica listened to the radio and heard African American jive talkers on it. They even used American slang from Dr Hepcat’s slang book mixed with patois. Count matchuki is on record saying this
@@nisalocalldn414 😂. Stop it sistah! 😂
Riddim??? @3:45
WHO IS DAT AT 2:47
+NAPPZ123 Billy Boyo
Can I get translation subs? Hahaha
Cut the shit. Why the hell are y'all trying to take or give credit to Jamaicans for my culture which is rap smmfh 🤔
Rap is spoken word and exists in all African cultures
Toasting is a rip off of blues talking.
Wrong. Toasting dates back to Africa.
😂😂 this is terrible. Go listen to early 90s danchall artists. They called it toasting.
This not the same as hip hop toasting is not the same as hip hop. Don't be singing Jamaican music to me
Hip hop is 4 BLACK PEOPLE no offence