How could Leeds ever think that appointing Clough was ever going to be a success. Giving the vitriol Clough had said about Leeds it was only going to end one way in acronym and chaos and it subsequently did.
Brian Clough got the last laugh. He ended up winning back-to-back European titles with Nottingham Forest, and Don Revie never won a single thing ever again.
well Leeds played in it when it was the European cup with so called inferior sides and they never won it , so thats bullshit You might as well say if all the foreign players were around in the game like they are nowadays Leeds might not have ever won the Lge or fa cup ever(and they might have been won with Dons famous brown envelopes, cough.
That's a ridiculous comment. Clough was certainly not as successful without Taylor but he still won trophies and qualified for Europe with Forest without him.
It irritates me hearing these professional football players saying that they didn't want to play for him, and that was when they started performing badly. Just shows how out of touch with real life some are. We've all had managers and bosses we haven't liked, but we don't have the luxury of saying 'fuck it', not putting in the effort, and having our work performance affected accordingly. We would be fired! They talk of managers losing the dressing room, can you imagine the distribution from a factory dropping by 30% because the manager 'lost the factory floor'?! The company wouldn't say 'Oh dear poor little factory workers' and sack the manager. They would say get your asses into work and do the job you are paid to do.....or lose the job. I guess when you are in the top 1% of your chosen sport you have more sway in doing what is essentially blackmail to the club. We're not happy with the manager we're going to take our foot off the gas. Personally whether I like a manager or not I would always try 100% as a matter of personal pride, especially if I was in the public light. For some reason football players seem to not care about that. I love the game of football. But fuck me there are some spoilt cunt attitudes in it.....
Where are those players now APART from dead None of them went on to better things, You were paid to play not cheat your fans you cant be told the truth your impression of Clough was that of the Clough Hater DON REVIE You took away years of what could have been The Best Leeds Years Ever under CLOUGH
You are quite wrong sir. having worked in factories all my working life and there were some managers that you would work that bit extra for and some for whom you would do just barely enough. It all acme down to the way these managers treated you as a person and a worker.
I like how the Leeds players and fans keep failing to acknowledge how dirty the Leeds players were during this period. If they were playing today they'd all be banned for most of the season. I love how he tells them the Cold hard facts and they spit their dummies out.
@@bighands69 I actually agree here. Yes they were dirty and most of them would be banned for most of the season under normal circumstances. But I also agree that they could play football. Some of them had amazing skills and talents. That's something I will never deny. But Clough was correct with what he told them
@@DAVEPLATINUM it was dirty leeds for a bloody reason as well. How many suspensions was there? How much violent conduct was there? Bloody hell they could play football, hell I'm an Irishman and I'm saying this knowing the great Johnny Giles was on that fucking team (an absolute legend), even he was dirty! But that was their style. That was all Don Revie. He dldnt condemn or approve it publically, but he obviously felt tactically it was a way to win a game of football, and back then it probably was. But from a neutral viewpoint it legit made you hate them because they would play to injure players any opportunity no matter what. The shows of sheer skill were few and far between, whereas brutality was the way for 90 minutes. Leeds fans loved it cause they were winning, so obviously it wasnt going to be a problem But let's be critical of clough here for a second. This is what Giles recollected of their first meeting with him "Right, you fucking lot. Far as I'm concerned the first thing you can do is chuck all your medals and trophies into that bin over there", then he calls Bremner a "dirty bastard", with a follow up "everyone likes to be liked, and you would like to be liked wouldnt you?" (He repsonded back with "couldnt give a fuck"). He also calls giles a "dirty Irishman". Now explain even in man management how that was ever going to work? Basically clough went "your a bunch of c***s" (cant use that word even in quotation now, damn you youtube!). Imagine the immediate reaction to that... why should we bother playing for you then? To the lad who used management in retail and industry, that argument was completely wrong on so many levels. First of all, if a boss is that belligerent workers can straight up decide to do bear minimum or go on strike (unions do exist.), which will in turn go to the board of directors. Also, you mention production levels in your argument... yeah you do realise if production levels are low and it's because of bad management, they fire the manager ya know? (This isnt Soviet russia.........) That argument was actually terrible, love to see that used in a debating society, of which it would last 0.5 of a second. Terrible argument. Anyway I'm being sidetracked..... point is this: I love Brian Clough as a manager and what he went on to do, but his man management style here just wasnt going to work. This works with a up and coming team who you can relate and mould into great players, and push them for success. It doesnt work with successful teams with the trophies to show for it. Not saying you should lie down either, but he went too far. Likewise, it's the boards fault for not taking revies advice in the first place.
@@kevintablet743 it's TRUE Clough was never going to work as Leeds manager because he was honest to a point of being brutally honest. And little snowflakes like Giles, Bremner and Hunter were fine dishing out 2 foot tackles, abuse, insults and punches but burst into tears like little petulant infants throwing a tantrum as soon as they hear a word against them. Clough as great as he was should of known that was never going to work
The casting in The Damned United was really spot on eh? I mean even the host of the show on Yorkshire television looks exactly like he does in the film.
History has revealed who was right and who was wrong.....Leeds loss was Forests gain and took them from the bottom of the Englands second tier to Double European champions with the able assistance of Peter Taylor.
@@jamiehoward5538 Absolutely. Revie didn't win the big one, Cloughie is the only British manager to win the European Cup back to back, not even Shanley or Paisley did that.
Yeah they won the European cup against world beaters Malmo & Hamburg !! They were very lucky they just happened to be around at the right time when the opposition was shite.
It's interesting to hear people talk about dirty leeds and then have a Chelsea fan saying they give us a good kicking!. That's because EVERY club back then had players who could dish it out and it was acceptable
@@zeswanky578 jacky charleton and Norman hunter made ron like a fucking school boy not like we kicked lumps out of then it was better then teammates had respect for each other
One thing Revie and Clough have in common was the desire for complete control and the ability to create an entire culture over an extended period of time - neither of which was possible with an international team nor during 44 days at a club that was expected to immediately win the title. A few seasons away from the microscope at second-tier Forest gave Clough time to create that Derby culture again, with the eventual financial support to take it even further eventually.
I doubt it. Some of the players Clough had go at were at the end of their careers and Clough would soon have jettisoned them as he rebuilt the team in his own image.
What he did with Nottingham Forest is a true miracle. He took a team of unknown players with limited skills and won league and European titles, twice. That shows what an amazing coach he was. He had the last laugh.
Always been a fan of Cloughies, but got to admit, that Leeds team under Revie was fantastic, they really are the best team to never win the European cup.
Some of the comments here are astonishing. Clough and Revie were both incredible managers. Google some of the football their teams played, some sumptuous football indeed. Leeds could also employ the dark arts but that wouldn’t have been out of place in those days. They were a team that could mix it. Fergie’s United were the same. Great football, dour football and rough football all designed to win. Hard to argue against. That interview with Clough and Revie is very compelling. A terrific era really.
i found cloughie's rein at leeds hilarious such a great manager brought down by this one thing at nottingham he was brillinat championing europe he could of done such wonderfull things but the leeds players couldn't handle the truth
The ex Leeds players are a bunch of hypocrites, complaining about Cloughie's behaviour as a manager and accusing him of poor conduct and mistreatment, especially Peter Lorimer when he said 'if your boss at work had treated you like this, what would be your reaction'? He conveniently forgets to mention the dirty Leeds field antics of bullying referees, taking players out with reckless tackles, verbal threats and physically assaulting players. If I behaved like that in my workplace, I would find myself in prison!
Absolute utter garbage. The talk of dirty Leeds tactics were peddled by those who were jealous of Leeds' on field success at the time. If one looks back at that era of English football one has to look at the Chelsea teams of that period, Ron "Chopper" Harris wasn't exactly a saint on the field was he? Clough's biggest problem at Leeds wasn't down to the players it was plain as day the man was completely fucking useless without Peter Taylor. Clough spent 13 years at Forest after Taylor left in 1982 (and ultimately passing away 8 years later) and he won nothing of note except for a few tinpot cups (including that Mickey Mouse cup created after English football was banned from Europe after the Heysel Stadium Disaster).
Fluke it? 3 loses only in a season is a fluke? Come on, combined with his work in Derby it proved he was class, Clough was an amazing manager, and so was revie, but they worked in different styles, what's more incredible to me is how shit all of the teams they managed are now
The comment at the end by Brian about Leeds making him financially secure after 44 days of work speaks volume why football is a money pit and is one of the reasons why fans have to put their hands deeper into their pockets year after year. It is no longer a working mans game.
dirty tackling and unfair playing makes the all players that have ever played for leeds united a rubbish footballer, its thanks to dirty tackling that brian clough's playing career cut short. I admire Brian Clough for saying what he wants and do things his way without cheating and i agree with whatever clough said.Don Revie shouldn't have been allowed to have been a manager
Leeds players cheated themselves by not buying into Clough, they failed to adapt, couldn't get over themselves after Revie left them. That team was never the same even under Jimmy Armfield. So stop blaming Sir Brian.
Clough couldn't cut it without Taylor. I am also of the opinion that there was a lot of deliberate sabotage on his behalf. He hated Leeds, hated the Revie team...he walked away with a massive payout after fucking up completely.
Love it the way, only ever Leeds fans who slag off Clough, which pretty much makes them look stupid. All because he took over from revie and spoke the truth about how dirty they were - which to everyone apart from Leeds fans, was ''painfully'' obvious. Revie looked after his own, cared about no one else, including England who he scarpered from when he was caught out involved in dodgy dealings. Leeds were a great team apart from their dirty cheating side, but why cant any Leeds fan ever admit it.?
No dirtier than the scum (Man Utd) team of the nineties, with Keane kicking every fucker along with Scholes and Butt, the whole team haranguing referees and players even attacking fans, but no one sees this cos it’s shitty man u
Coughs downfall was he couldn't do it alone. They was a partnership him and Taylor. Maybe their would have been successful otherwise. At Leeds however it was too soon to know.
Thanks for the upload. Regards the film, I thought Colm Meaney was as brilliant as Don Revie as Sheen was as Cloughie. It's a great film, despite taking liberties with facts.
Apparently, one of Oscar Wilde's earliest plays was a creepy tale of a professional football who's hair stayed eternally youthful while the rest of him aged. It was called 'The Haircut of Sniffer Clarke'
Sacked after 6 weeks and the players had nothing to do with it????? The players say he sacked himself. BS. They were never out of the boardroom whining, having unofficial player meetings and planning his downfall by not playing. Why won't they admit it? It's obvious to anybody what went on. The chairman admits they sacked him to keep the players happy. So Clarke and all, you are as Brian said all cheating again.
4:39 explains it all. look how pissed that guy is. Cloughie was probably pissed most of the time, but the Leeds board and players were likely more pissed, and ALL of the time. Don Revie probably took Pissed to a new level, and so won the respect of his players, who were all reasonably pissed. Clough probably couldn't back up comments made on TV, while pissed, with a respectable level of being pissed on the training ground. That was english football in the 70s.
Leeds made the worst possible decision getting rid of Cloughie. What he did at Forest was extraordinary. Revie wasn’t in the same league as Brian Clough
I enjoyed the film more than the book but I think the film would have benefitted from two scenes excised from the final cut, Brian firing Revie's secretary and Brian smashing and burning Revie's desk. Those scenes provided a bit of insight into Clough's complex psychology and insatiable need to express bitterness over perceived slights and injustice.
Clough said on his first meeting with the players they had won everything by cheating. If you were a player having heard that i doubt you would want to play for the manager. one or two were on record that had he said it was all a joke then the players would have played for him
"You're in four competitions again,defending the european cup, going for the league championship and of course the football league cup and the fa cup, what are your priorities"? "The football league, always has been and always will be. I would gladly go out of the european cup, the football league cup and the fa cup which we are not even in yet.I would gladly go out of them tomorrow if you could guarantee me winning the football league".
martin emery I'd disagree Martin. The first cunt bought teams to throw games in the 71/72 season, but came unstuck at Wolves in the final decisive match
When greatness meets greatness and both are destroyed...isn't that tragedy? Now in my 70s I recall it from a Leeds perspective and with a great liking and respect for both managers.i was fully behind the appointment despite his reported negative attitude towards us (everyone outside us was negative!) Because he seemed a wonder-worker(he was!) Until he recruited derby players who were manifestly poorer than we had been used to for 10years.that for me was a grave error
I was at the game against Birmingham (the only one that Leeds won under Cloughie) and shown here in b+w (not sure why, as the game was shown on MOTD in colour). I would love to see the goal and the extended Allan Clarke celebration after he'd scored as I can be seen roughly on the half way line cheering my 9 year old socks off. So if anyone has a copy.......
We've got Clough's "I'd like to see referees ......stopping anyone getting clobbered" now with all the diva's rolling over as if they're mortally wounded after being breathed on and it's made for tedious dull football, We've gone from one extreme (not protecting the gifted players) to the other (Oscar winning theatrics on the pitch), Somewhere in the middle would have been right, I really don't enjoy football that much these day compared to the 70's 80's and 90's (to 1992)
A question I would like to ask all Leeds United fans would a joint management team of Johnny Giles and Little Billy Bremner have worked would like to know
That Leeds side had come to its end more or less by 1974 and needed huge rebuilding. Revie had made a start with Jordan and McQueen-wonder what would have happened if Revie had stayed with Leeds and Clough had got England. Both got the wrong jobs
infrasleep quite right there. Revie did a Ferguson and got out just in time. The players getting towards the end of their careers would have taken some replacing.
We won all the major domestic trophies and played in 5 European finals won 2 European fairs cups, robbed in the European Cup Winners Cup final and European Cup Final - Leeds were a great side and many people have said it clough came in with the wrong attitude
4:50, the point he's making is bollocks. The board do the hiring and firing, but if the players had worked with Cloughie it's pretty obvious he wouldn't have been fired. Proof is in the pudding both before and after Leeds. The only alternative the board had was fire the entire team and keep Cloughie, and that WAS NOT going to happen.
as a leeds fan from beeston going all the way back to the mid sixties i have just seen a player who i detest.mr allan clarke sarcastic/ignorant/loves no one except himself.
Clough went to Leeds without Taylor and fucked it, Taylor told him not to go, all of cloughs success was when he was Taylor, clough was the mouth, Taylor was the brains
Probably not a popular opinion, but I don't think Cloughy's personality suited the traditional 'big' jobs. He did his great work at clubs who weren't accustomed to success, where he then had a free hand to impose his will and vision on the team. East Midlands football owes him a debt we can never repay.
Two titles, by the way. 71/2 and 74/5. I was at Elland Road for 1 or 2 Rams games in the 70s - plenty of red-blooded challenges! Good "clean" fun :-) Football wouldn't be the same without a team to hate! You've got a good manager in McDermott, by the way....
like mr clough said....worst and best decision of his life....leeds had to pay him off which gave him and his family a more then small nestegg,,,then onto forest...and HISTORY.
Brian Clough was a born winner at Darby he worked wonders but at forest he took them to the top and to do that when Liverpool were dominating everywhere says a lot,in the Clough an Revie interview Brian said "I want to do it better than you and don said No no you cannot do it better" How wrong revie was .
Don't forget most of the leeds players came through the ranks at leeds under DON. Clough got Forest to pay a million for Trevor Francis a record at the time. So he bought some of his success. In the early 90s Clough rejected the chance to sign Lee Chapman for forest. He went to leeds and won the old first (premiership now) division under Howard Wilkinson and was leading scorer for the few season he was at leeds.
Not really since all of Clough’s former clubs aren’t what they used to be, Derby being a third tier side and Forest being candidates for PL relegation and spending 20+years outside the top division. Unfortunately it was never going to work out. Brian Clough was about the furthest thing possible from the family atmosphere in the dressing room that Don Revie created at Leeds. I personally think Revie was just too irreplaceable and the board too incompetent. There’s a reason Leeds got relegated 8 years later and only won won other trophy since Revie left.
Aged 67 now ,and growing up and watching Div 1 at the time , it’s well known that Leeds ( at that time ) undoubtedly the dirtiest team around . Anyone to say that they weren’t , are delusional ! And getting to Brian Clough ...up himself man , and Nobody liked him !
Damned United, is the best football film ever made. Liverpool fan
How could Leeds ever think that appointing Clough was ever going to be a success. Giving the vitriol Clough had said about Leeds it was only going to end one way in acronym and chaos and it subsequently did.
The movie may not be accurate but Michael Sheen nails Brian Clough's speech perfectly!
They could have got somebody better to play though I thought. The actor who played Revie did a fantastic job.
He absolutely nailed Cloughie in that film
Michael Sheen does a great Brian Clough in this film.
If anyone ever makes a film about Rik Mayall, Michael Sheen should definitely get the nod! 😂
Absolutely ideal
Clough would indeed win the league "better" than Revie did. He just didn't do it at Leeds.
Brian Clough got the last laugh. He ended up winning back-to-back European titles with Nottingham Forest, and Don Revie never won a single thing ever again.
Not only Revie but indeed Leeds United themselves, with any of these players.
But in the end the liquor got Clough and his Forest team was relegated. Today they're in the same boat as Leeds.
Buster Cherry but Leeds will never win the champion league
Damned Right lol
well Leeds played in it when it was the European cup with so called inferior sides and they never won it , so thats bullshit
You might as well say if all the foreign players were around in the game like they are nowadays Leeds might not have ever won the Lge or fa cup ever(and they might have been won with Dons famous brown envelopes, cough.
Not only did the players cheat Brian Clough out of a job they cheated the club and the fans!
Clough+Taylor= League Titles and European Cups
both these men without one another = Incomplete and Hapless people !!!
That's a ridiculous comment.
Clough was certainly not as successful without Taylor but he still won trophies and qualified for Europe with Forest without him.
RIP BRIAN CLOUGH you legend
Bull...
European Cup, anyone? Just two then, Cloughie. Good lad.
“A friend is someone who knows all about you and still loves you.”
Great character and an honest and sometimes mischievous man,our game needs guys like this now.
You call taking bungs honest.
It irritates me hearing these professional football players saying that they didn't want to play for him, and that was when they started performing badly. Just shows how out of touch with real life some are. We've all had managers and bosses we haven't liked, but we don't have the luxury of saying 'fuck it', not putting in the effort, and having our work performance affected accordingly. We would be fired! They talk of managers losing the dressing room, can you imagine the distribution from a factory dropping by 30% because the manager 'lost the factory floor'?! The company wouldn't say 'Oh dear poor little factory workers' and sack the manager. They would say get your asses into work and do the job you are paid to do.....or lose the job.
I guess when you are in the top 1% of your chosen sport you have more sway in doing what is essentially blackmail to the club. We're not happy with the manager we're going to take our foot off the gas. Personally whether I like a manager or not I would always try 100% as a matter of personal pride, especially if I was in the public light. For some reason football players seem to not care about that. I love the game of football. But fuck me there are some spoilt cunt attitudes in it.....
Fully agree!
Where are those players now APART from dead None of them went on to better things, You were paid to play not cheat your fans you cant be told the truth your impression of Clough was that of the Clough Hater DON REVIE You took away years of what could have been The Best Leeds Years Ever under CLOUGH
They didn't say they didn't put in effort. They still did their job. Congratulations on a stupid analogy.
You are quite wrong sir. having worked in factories all my working life and there were some managers that you would work that bit extra for and some for whom you would do just barely enough. It all acme down to the way these managers treated you as a person and a worker.
@@jackfletcher1000 You wouldn't down tools and try to get the manager sacked though would you?
I like how the Leeds players and fans keep failing to acknowledge how dirty the Leeds players were during this period. If they were playing today they'd all be banned for most of the season.
I love how he tells them the Cold hard facts and they spit their dummies out.
They were rough but they could also play football. Back then teams used to try and bully skillful teams.
@@bighands69 I actually agree here. Yes they were dirty and most of them would be banned for most of the season under normal circumstances. But I also agree that they could play football. Some of them had amazing skills and talents. That's something I will never deny.
But Clough was correct with what he told them
Most teams played 'dirty' back then though to be fair.
@@DAVEPLATINUM it was dirty leeds for a bloody reason as well. How many suspensions was there? How much violent conduct was there? Bloody hell they could play football, hell I'm an Irishman and I'm saying this knowing the great Johnny Giles was on that fucking team (an absolute legend), even he was dirty!
But that was their style. That was all Don Revie. He dldnt condemn or approve it publically, but he obviously felt tactically it was a way to win a game of football, and back then it probably was. But from a neutral viewpoint it legit made you hate them because they would play to injure players any opportunity no matter what. The shows of sheer skill were few and far between, whereas brutality was the way for 90 minutes. Leeds fans loved it cause they were winning, so obviously it wasnt going to be a problem
But let's be critical of clough here for a second. This is what Giles recollected of their first meeting with him
"Right, you fucking lot. Far as I'm concerned the first thing you can do is chuck all your medals and trophies into that bin over there", then he calls Bremner a "dirty bastard", with a follow up "everyone likes to be liked, and you would like to be liked wouldnt you?" (He repsonded back with "couldnt give a fuck"). He also calls giles a "dirty Irishman".
Now explain even in man management how that was ever going to work? Basically clough went "your a bunch of c***s" (cant use that word even in quotation now, damn you youtube!). Imagine the immediate reaction to that... why should we bother playing for you then?
To the lad who used management in retail and industry, that argument was completely wrong on so many levels. First of all, if a boss is that belligerent workers can straight up decide to do bear minimum or go on strike (unions do exist.), which will in turn go to the board of directors. Also, you mention production levels in your argument... yeah you do realise if production levels are low and it's because of bad management, they fire the manager ya know? (This isnt Soviet russia.........)
That argument was actually terrible, love to see that used in a debating society, of which it would last 0.5 of a second. Terrible argument.
Anyway I'm being sidetracked..... point is this: I love Brian Clough as a manager and what he went on to do, but his man management style here just wasnt going to work. This works with a up and coming team who you can relate and mould into great players, and push them for success. It doesnt work with successful teams with the trophies to show for it. Not saying you should lie down either, but he went too far. Likewise, it's the boards fault for not taking revies advice in the first place.
@@kevintablet743 it's TRUE Clough was never going to work as Leeds manager because he was honest to a point of being brutally honest. And little snowflakes like Giles, Bremner and Hunter were fine dishing out 2 foot tackles, abuse, insults and punches but burst into tears like little petulant infants throwing a tantrum as soon as they hear a word against them.
Clough as great as he was should of known that was never going to work
Can you imagine the future success that Leeds would have had with Clough if the players weren't so up themselves!
Obviously you have no idea of that time and what happened.
Clough was years in front of his time!
James. Cloughie was best manager never to have had the England job. Aammer.
@@aammerahmed3866 That's probably because he wasn't a yes man
He was not. Without Taylor he was a mehiocre.
Still the greatest manager England never had R.I.P. Big 'ead
Brian Clough was a footballing genius.2 Europeans back to back for Forest !!as for Leeds United?
The casting in The Damned United was really spot on eh? I mean even the host of the show on Yorkshire television looks exactly like he does in the film.
History has revealed who was right and who was wrong.....Leeds loss was Forests gain and took them from the bottom of the Englands second tier to Double European champions with the able assistance of Peter Taylor.
Taylor was the technical coach that did Cloughs bidding.
If Brian Clough had continued at Leeds, nowdays Leeds United would have been the most succesful English club in Europe! No doubt!
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@@jamiehoward5538 Absolutely. Revie didn't win the big one, Cloughie is the only British manager to win the European Cup back to back, not even Shanley or Paisley did that.
@@63Baggies Paisley won it back to back in 1977 and 1978.
Revie: "we were very very close." Too close by the looks of things 0:37. lol
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That was cringeworthy, you get locked up for that shit.
@@steaks652
But I always wondered about it. Do not pretend others did not think the same thing.
@@bighands69, pretty cringeworthy stuff!
hahahahahaha that was really weird !!!
Yeah they won the European cup against world beaters Malmo & Hamburg !! They were very lucky they just happened to be around at the right time when the opposition was shite.
Leeds met their match in 1970 against Chelsea who gave them a good kicking!
Super Chelsea fc we're by far the greatest team the world's ever seen
@@aryantyranno7515 Nah. FC Barcelona 2009 and 2011 are the greatest team ever created
It's interesting to hear people talk about dirty leeds and then have a Chelsea fan saying they give us a good kicking!. That's because EVERY club back then had players who could dish it out and it was acceptable
@@zeswanky578 jacky charleton and Norman hunter made ron like a fucking school boy not like we kicked lumps out of then it was better then teammates had respect for each other
One thing Revie and Clough have in common was the desire for complete control and the ability to create an entire culture over an extended period of time - neither of which was possible with an international team nor during 44 days at a club that was expected to immediately win the title.
A few seasons away from the microscope at second-tier Forest gave Clough time to create that Derby culture again, with the eventual financial support to take it even further eventually.
Except revie liked a few bribes
I bet a few of them now wish they gave him a chance
I doubt it. Some of the players Clough had go at were at the end of their careers and Clough would soon have jettisoned them as he rebuilt the team in his own image.
For sure!
No not really love
The Leeds mob wouldn't last with Ant Middleton either.
I'm a Leeds fan, I wish Cloughie would've worked, I never hated him though...
Well said Simon, spot on, those players robbed Leeds of a golden era. They downed tools and never recovered.
What he did with Nottingham Forest is a true miracle. He took a team of unknown players with limited skills and won league and European titles, twice. That shows what an amazing coach he was. He had the last laugh.
Limited skills?
There were several excellent players already at Forest when Clough arrived.
Peter Taylor deserves just as much credit it should be what he and peter taylor did with Nottingham Forest*
lol was that Don Revie giving out massages HIS SECRET is out ! legend
Thanks for posting. Answered a number of questions!
Always been a fan of Cloughies, but got to admit, that Leeds team under Revie was fantastic, they really are the best team to never win the European cup.
Some of the comments here are astonishing. Clough and Revie were both incredible managers. Google some of the football their teams played, some sumptuous football indeed.
Leeds could also employ the dark arts but that wouldn’t have been out of place in those days. They were a team that could mix it.
Fergie’s United were the same. Great football, dour football and rough football all designed to win. Hard to argue against.
That interview with Clough and Revie is very compelling. A terrific era really.
i found cloughie's rein at leeds hilarious such a great manager brought down by this one thing at nottingham he was brillinat championing europe he could of done such wonderfull things but the leeds players couldn't handle the truth
What truth.
Really your asking what truth??!!!
The ex Leeds players are a bunch of hypocrites, complaining about Cloughie's behaviour as a manager and accusing him of poor conduct and mistreatment, especially Peter Lorimer when he said 'if your boss at work had treated you like this, what would be your reaction'? He conveniently forgets to mention the dirty Leeds field antics of bullying referees, taking players out with reckless tackles, verbal threats and physically assaulting players. If I behaved like that in my workplace, I would find myself in prison!
Absolute utter garbage. The talk of dirty Leeds tactics were peddled by those who were jealous of Leeds' on field success at the time. If one looks back at that era of English football one has to look at the Chelsea teams of that period, Ron "Chopper" Harris wasn't exactly a saint on the field was he? Clough's biggest problem at Leeds wasn't down to the players it was plain as day the man was completely fucking useless without Peter Taylor. Clough spent 13 years at Forest after Taylor left in 1982 (and ultimately passing away 8 years later) and he won nothing of note except for a few tinpot cups (including that Mickey Mouse cup created after English football was banned from Europe after the Heysel Stadium Disaster).
Peter Kehoe I agree he was way better with Taylor but what was Taylor record like on his own
damn, revie was close to the lads XD hahahaha
Fluke it? 3 loses only in a season is a fluke? Come on, combined with his work in Derby it proved he was class, Clough was an amazing manager, and so was revie, but they worked in different styles, what's more incredible to me is how shit all of the teams they managed are now
The comment at the end by Brian about Leeds making him financially secure after 44 days of work speaks volume why football is a money pit and is one of the reasons why fans have to put their hands deeper into their pockets year after year.
It is no longer a working mans game.
Arrrrrrrrgh, 0.36, what has been seen cannot be unseen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dirty tackling and unfair playing makes the all players that have ever played for leeds united a rubbish footballer, its thanks to dirty tackling that brian clough's playing career cut short. I admire Brian Clough for saying what he wants and do things his way without cheating and i agree with whatever clough said.Don Revie shouldn't have been allowed to have been a manager
Leeds players cheated themselves by not buying into Clough, they failed to adapt, couldn't get over themselves after Revie left them. That team was never the same even under Jimmy Armfield. So stop blaming Sir Brian.
Love the way all the Leeds players are saying how they are misjudged and at the charity shield showed terrible discipline. Sums them up.
Clough couldn't cut it without Taylor. I am also of the opinion that there was a lot of deliberate sabotage on his behalf. He hated Leeds, hated the Revie team...he walked away with a massive payout after fucking up completely.
Love it the way, only ever Leeds fans who slag off Clough, which pretty much makes them look stupid. All because he took over from revie and spoke the truth about how dirty they were - which to everyone apart from Leeds fans, was ''painfully'' obvious. Revie looked after his own, cared about no one else, including England who he scarpered from when he was caught out involved in dodgy dealings. Leeds were a great team apart from their dirty cheating side, but why cant any Leeds fan ever admit it.?
No dirtier than the scum (Man Utd) team of the nineties, with Keane kicking every fucker along with Scholes and Butt, the whole team haranguing referees and players even attacking fans, but no one sees this cos it’s shitty man u
Least they learnt something from Leeds then
@@doodles863, is this Ken Dodd... 20 times, btw I ain't a Manc fan, get real, or back to Knotty Ash lad!!!!!
Michael Sheen and Tim Spall in The Damned United. Brilliant.
Sheen was excellent.
Spall didn't look or sound anything like Taylor.
Coughs downfall was he couldn't do it alone. They was a partnership him and Taylor. Maybe their would have been successful otherwise. At Leeds however it was too soon to know.
At least we got to listen to a bit of Quo.
Thanks for the upload.
Regards the film, I thought Colm Meaney was as brilliant as Don Revie as Sheen was as Cloughie. It's a great film, despite taking liberties with facts.
Apparently, one of Oscar Wilde's earliest plays was a creepy tale of a professional football who's hair stayed eternally youthful while the rest of him aged. It was called 'The Haircut of Sniffer Clarke'
I see "the damned United" this Day--thank you from this Video. Greatings from Germany!!
I remember Leeds back then - they WERE a dirty team. And they were very envious of Derby and the way they played. Still are to this day
SO MANY JEALOUS PEOPLE!!!
Lol. Leeds fans don't give a shit about Derby. They don't even consider them rivals in any way.
Sacked after 6 weeks and the players had nothing to do with it?????
The players say he sacked himself.
BS. They were never out of the boardroom whining, having unofficial player meetings and planning his downfall by not playing.
Why won't they admit it? It's obvious to anybody what went on.
The chairman admits they sacked him to keep the players happy.
So Clarke and all, you are as Brian said all cheating again.
the best man in soccer a legend.....cfc mole
4:39 explains it all. look how pissed that guy is. Cloughie was probably pissed most of the time, but the Leeds board and players were likely more pissed, and ALL of the time. Don Revie probably took Pissed to a new level, and so won the respect of his players, who were all reasonably pissed. Clough probably couldn't back up comments made on TV, while pissed, with a respectable level of being pissed on the training ground. That was english football in the 70s.
Leeds made the worst possible decision getting rid of Cloughie. What he did at Forest was extraordinary. Revie wasn’t in the same league as Brian Clough
A stark reminder players can behave like kids
I enjoyed the film more than the book but I think the film would have benefitted from two scenes excised from the final cut, Brian firing Revie's secretary and Brian smashing and burning Revie's desk. Those scenes provided a bit of insight into Clough's complex psychology and insatiable need to express bitterness over perceived slights and injustice.
Clough said on his first meeting with the players they had won everything by cheating. If you were a player having heard that i doubt you would want to play for the manager. one or two were on record that had he said it was all a joke then the players would have played for him
I wonder if Revie gave the players a happy ending after the message.
@MrJuventusBianconeri I think mostly it was down to the way Revies Leeds side played, and the way Clough thought football should be played.
“God couldn’t do anything in 44 days”
Except (allegedly) creating the universe and man in seven?!!!
Clough was no good without Taylor, the REAL brains in that partnership and under rated
00:36 wtf???
"You're in four competitions again,defending the european cup, going for the league championship and of course the football league cup and the fa cup, what are your priorities"?
"The football league, always has been and always will be. I would gladly go out of the european cup, the football league cup and the fa cup which we are not even in yet.I would gladly go out of them tomorrow if you could guarantee me winning the football league".
00.33 to 00.38, like some seedy massage parlour, horrible.
Brian Clough was the best British couch! No doubt!
funny thing is clough went on to euro glory revie bought england nout
martin emery I'd disagree Martin. The first cunt bought teams to throw games in the 71/72 season, but came unstuck at Wolves in the final decisive match
Underdogs sunderland beat them 1-0 in the 1973 fa cup.
Best fa cup final ever, Potterfield.... one nil .....
Said it before, will say it again, will never stop saying it - Brian Clough was the greatest English manager of all time.
well said
When greatness meets greatness and both are destroyed...isn't that tragedy? Now in my 70s I recall it from a Leeds perspective and with a great liking and respect for both managers.i was fully behind the appointment despite his reported negative attitude towards us (everyone outside us was negative!) Because he seemed a wonder-worker(he was!) Until he recruited derby players who were manifestly poorer than we had been used to for 10years.that for me was a grave error
2:12 The name on the tracksuit is Joe Jordon not Jordan🙂
Clough was obviously proven right. He won the league and he did it with a side that played the ball and then he won two European Cups.
I was at the game against Birmingham (the only one that Leeds won under Cloughie) and shown here in b+w (not sure why, as the game was shown on MOTD in colour). I would love to see the goal and the extended Allan Clarke celebration after he'd scored as I can be seen roughly on the half way line cheering my 9 year old socks off. So if anyone has a copy.......
We've got Clough's "I'd like to see referees ......stopping anyone getting clobbered" now with all the diva's rolling over as if they're mortally wounded after being breathed on and it's made for tedious dull football, We've gone from one extreme (not protecting the gifted players) to the other (Oscar winning theatrics on the pitch), Somewhere in the middle would have been right, I really don't enjoy football that much these day compared to the 70's 80's and 90's (to 1992)
A question I would like to ask all Leeds United fans would a joint management team of Johnny Giles and Little Billy Bremner have worked would like to know
Of course not. It would have split the dressing room down the middle. That's why the Leeds board decided against it and hired Clough.
Don't think so.
Peter Lorimer summed it up by saying that he needed Peter Taylor. I agree.
nfelvis68 & Gary Sprake summed up Leeds when he blew the whistle on their skullduggery, warning him a life ban from the club
That Leeds side had come to its end more or less by 1974 and needed huge rebuilding. Revie had made a start with Jordan and McQueen-wonder what would have happened if Revie had stayed with Leeds and Clough had got England. Both got the wrong jobs
infrasleep quite right there. Revie did a Ferguson and got out just in time. The players getting towards the end of their careers would have taken some replacing.
Dirty Leeds...the truth is out.
Leeds United, hated by all.
Brian Clough, LOVED by all.
Two League titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup in 10 years makes a team dominant? I don't think so!
We won all the major domestic trophies and played in 5 European finals won 2 European fairs cups, robbed in the European Cup Winners Cup final and European Cup Final - Leeds were a great side and many people have said it clough came in with the wrong attitude
In the end who had the last laugh?
4:50, the point he's making is bollocks. The board do the hiring and firing, but if the players had worked with Cloughie it's pretty obvious he wouldn't have been fired. Proof is in the pudding both before and after Leeds. The only alternative the board had was fire the entire team and keep Cloughie, and that WAS NOT going to happen.
8:46 he's true. What an actor he is!
it was a hatchett job on brian from the start but wheres leeds now and look what brian went on to achieve
Sounds like the players had made their minds up about Clough; and started throwing toys out of their prams.
as a leeds fan from beeston going all the way back to the mid sixties i have just seen a player who i detest.mr allan clarke sarcastic/ignorant/loves no one except himself.
Clough went to Leeds without Taylor and fucked it, Taylor told him not to go, all of cloughs success was when he was Taylor, clough was the mouth, Taylor was the brains
Probably not a popular opinion, but I don't think Cloughy's personality suited the traditional 'big' jobs. He did his great work at clubs who weren't accustomed to success, where he then had a free hand to impose his will and vision on the team. East Midlands football owes him a debt we can never repay.
I think the word you're looking for is `envied'. If you weren't there at the time, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Two titles, by the way.
71/2 and 74/5.
I was at Elland Road for 1 or 2 Rams games in the 70s - plenty of red-blooded challenges!
Good "clean" fun :-) Football wouldn't be the same without a team to hate!
You've got a good manager in McDermott, by the way....
Clough tried to sell Giles as soon as he got there to remove some descent but he refused
A lot of people hated dirty Leeds and they still do. There was a idolistic feeling about them... a little ordered.
like mr clough said....worst and best decision of his life....leeds had to pay him off which gave him and his family a more then small nestegg,,,then onto forest...and HISTORY.
Brian Clough was a born winner at Darby he worked wonders but at forest he took them to the top and to do that when Liverpool were dominating everywhere says a lot,in the Clough an Revie interview Brian said "I want to do it better than you and don said No no you cannot do it better" How wrong revie was .
Don't forget most of the leeds players came through the ranks at leeds under DON. Clough got Forest to pay a million for Trevor Francis a record at the time. So he bought some of his success. In the early 90s Clough rejected the chance to sign Lee Chapman for forest. He went to leeds and won the old first (premiership now) division under Howard Wilkinson and was leading scorer for the few season he was at leeds.
Fair enough they didn't want to play for the manager, but buy doing what they did they let the fans down. Disgusting
Go on cloughie son!!!!!!!!! hahahaha Up the rams R.I.P
brian clogh was worth 10 don revies
The Clough dick riding is nauseating.
They were dirty - but they could play, too. As good as any team I've seen play in England.
dirty leeds did get him the sack
If Leeds had had enough bottle to stay with him wondering how big Leeds United would have been today
Not really since all of Clough’s former clubs aren’t what they used to be, Derby being a third tier side and Forest being candidates for PL relegation and spending 20+years outside the top division. Unfortunately it was never going to work out. Brian Clough was about the furthest thing possible from the family atmosphere in the dressing room that Don Revie created at Leeds. I personally think Revie was just too irreplaceable and the board too incompetent. There’s a reason Leeds got relegated 8 years later and only won won other trophy since Revie left.
Team Clough wins the battle historically. 🤷🏻♂️
Aged 67 now ,and growing up and watching Div 1 at the time , it’s well known that Leeds ( at that time ) undoubtedly the dirtiest team around . Anyone to say that they weren’t , are delusional ! And getting to Brian Clough ...up himself man , and Nobody liked him !