Microscope camera review Amscope AF202 vs Risingcam RT5602 vs Risingcam RT5109 vs NoName 1080p
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Thank you for investing the time and money in to finding the next step in the camera upgrades for us.
I'm definitely "happy enough" with my RisingCam Red 4K unit but I will be buying the RT5109 to replace it because as we both know, the RisingCam Red 4K camera just seems to need too much light.
At the time that I bought the RisingCam Red 4K I don't think the RT5109 was readily available. What is interesting is that they're both IMX334 sensors.
Hopefully the RT5109 will work without trouble with the AJA KONA capture card ( I prefer it compared to the Blackmagic Quad )
Thank you for the info re the sensor.
Paul did you purchase one yet? If so how does it compare to your old one. Did you have any weird quarks with it? I own one and its great but I had to rotate the image in the camera settings to get the wires orientated from to the back on my trinocular microscope vs all the other MS cameras I have the are default with the ports facing the back. I couldn't get a real answer from the seller why it was like that. I just thought it was odd the default image was flipped left to right and up to down if that makes sense. Also the auto white balance was pretty aggressive until I fine tuned it. They didn't lie though it is indeed IMX334 and is REAL 4K. I'm still on the hunt for the perfect .5X Microscope Lens adapter though. All the ones I have purchased locally on AMAZON are pretty poor quality. I may just have to buy the ones RISING CAM for $100 to see if its any better and be done with it. I have 5 different .5X Lens adapters and they all produce a slightly different view distance even though they all claim to be .5X. 2 of them display tunnel vision and 2 really zoom in on the image so its not close - 1 to 1 like you would think. My last one is pretty close but I was shocked how many different adapters ( new style ) that are all different.
Nice review. Thanks for the time invested to compare all of them.
I absolutely was waiting for it, and right when I scrolled away he said "WAIT A MINUTE".... I was like, you aren't going to take it apart???!!
Congratulations Sorin, waiting for this change since long time 😅, now can enjoy your videos with 4k resolution.
Multam fain Sorin, chiar cautam o camera pentru microscop si nu reuseam sa ma hotarasc. Salutari din Romania!
Amazing picture quality the last one, congratz to the purchase.
I agree about the amscope camera mount.I have the exact same,after I bought the same focus ring as you,its night and day.
What a great improvement. When I first started watching your channel I was a little disappointed by the camera quality. But that didn't keep from watching. The new camera is very nice.
Great camera comparison! Very informative as always😊
Appreciate all your content immensely .
Thanks
Adam
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Great review! I'm looking at getting a stereo microscope and I'd like to get a camera for it so this is food for thought.
Thanks for this review. I concider to change my stuff. But i feel comfortable with non binocular microscpe. Positions in this work make the difierence.
Dont hunt for camera package, hunt for sensor
SONY imx334
I really enjoy your reviews, I have noticed that you can't trust anybody, they recommend things because they pay them, but i trust you and your channel, and all your reviews are very interesting, I imagine it's because you only share with us things that you genuinely like. I imagine you turn down a lot of offers,Thanks a lot for your honesty.
Thank you for this valuable info. I can't spring for the 'ultimate package', still trying to get business going here, so I took your advice and ordered one of those rings from AliX, it never occurred to me I could have a better image than I have currently until I saw this video. I've been using that same amscope thingy you said is junk. Can't wait to see the difference.
Should be a notable improvement and a lot more stable and vertically compact. Only thing to watch for is picking the correct reduction to match your sensor size. 1/2" sensor and usually we use 0.5X reducer, 1/3" sensor and 0.3X reducer typically.
Hi Sorin, This is Eddie, your this Video is very good!!!👍👍👍 Thank you!
In my view, the cheap camera on ebay without light performed better than all of them. I agree the Rising cam seems to be the best one. Thank you for the review.
Vorba lui socrul meu "vrei sa vezi dece merge"....
@@gonedoneggonedoneg9863Yes that would be lovely😅
Love to see you protected your camera
Mulțumim !❤
Which lens were you using for the tests? Thanks
Sorin, you own a thermal camera, you missed the opportunity to see the heat before and after the application of the thermal pad. Anyway, the video was entertaining as always. I need more and longer videos please.
Thank you 🙏
Nice review 😊
Based on your detailed review and trustworthiness, I purchased a 5109 from Risingcam. I'll have my own review video up at some point (edit: review posted). Short summary: I'm happy with it, image quality is awesome, and they significantly improved the thermal management. Mine only gets mildly warm. If I were to guess, probably a combination of better thermal joining to the aluminium case and tweaking how they drive the image processor / single board computer to run it less hot - maybe lowering clock speed or voltage, maybe a hardware change, don't know for sure..
A good movie. Does the RT5109 camera have autofocus and what optics do you use for this camera?
Hello, les caméras astronomie sont refroidi avec un moteur Pelletier pour abaisser la température du capteur CMOS. Merci pour cette démo. Bonne continuation. Alain
Hello 🤝very nice camera thank you for review 👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👋👋👋👋👋👋
I'm using a MECHANIC DX-4K Air 41 MP and it's fantastic!
Do you need a capture card to capture video on pc or. does usb-c works?
Awesome video
Good day. Pls advice why you didn’t zoom it in? I need to see perfect picture of 1-2 mm object and I understood nothing of how it will be on the screen using this thing.
So nice and crispy!
Thanks Sorin 🫡
Thanks for showing inside of that camera. There is one Eakins camera with similar IMX334 sensor and exactly the same connector types and placement (in wide blue/silver case with ribbed top), but it's only 30fps at 4k and ~1/3 the price of this camera, interesting does it have the same chip but gimped firmware (they also have their custom UI overlay for HDMI output) or something different.
P.S. Also there are cameras with IMX678 (it's refreshed IMX334 with same 1/1.8" sensor size and 8MP resolution but uses newer technology STARVIS 2 that gives better light sensitivity and wider dynamic range) and with IMX485 (STARVIS), IMX585 (STARVIS 2) those have same 8MP resolution but larger sensor size 1/1.2" compared to 1/1.8" of IMX334/IMX678. Interesting thing is, these 3 cameras with better sensors cost around the same price (~400$) from ToupCam company (E3ISPM08300KPE, E3ISPM08300KPC, E3ISPM08300KPD), don't know why would anyone buy not IMX585 version in this case, but standalone sensors are kinda cheap with small price difference tho. Wish there was also their cheap version with only 30 fps at 4k...
P.S.S. If you download IMX678 datasheet, on the last page you can see it's comparison vs IMX334 at different light conditions. And IMX678, IMX585 are also used in telescope cameras ZWO ASI678MC, ASI585MC because of that STARVIS 2 technology.
@@rokko1337 please post link for camera u suggest .thx
Yea I bought the eakins camera you are referring to. Seemed like the best value since I don't really care about 4k 60fps. Pretty sure it is also sold under different brand names but at the time Eakins was the cheapest.
The red camera have you plugged a mouse in and see if you can adjust the settings as it looks like the auto exposure is on so you have very little light
Spring, Hello. I am trying to find the autofocus ring that you show in this video. Can you tell me the model#? Thank you
ce sistem de fixare ați folosit? mulțumesc
Thanks again
Can you give me the link for the out of focus ring?
Which thermal pad You are using? please give link or a name.
thank You my Friend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😳😳👍👍
Nice one! I did a review myself on those focus ring adaptors, i found the one you like to be utter trash, but i guess its all down to the individual use case.
It would be really good to get links for the Red 4K and the newest one if possible?
When it comes to optics there's some very bad quality glass out there. I've seen those adaptors selling from $29 -> $99 USD for what *seems* like the same thing but suspect they're not.
So what one is good then?
@@pldanielsYes this is very true ! It’s the luck of the draw on Amazon out here in the US.
Propper calibrated thermal pad lol 🤣🤣 Thank you Sorin for your amazing content.
The Rising camera is the darkest but it has the best picture quality and more importantly, there's no glare.
I assume there is some sort of filter, probably a polarizing filter, that's making the picture darker.
There isn't any filter, it's just for some reason very low on the sensitivity. They both use the IMX334 sensor. It might be that they've decided to use a lower gain or... I genuinely have no idea. The most frustrating thing with the Red 4K is that you have to "bump" the settings each time you start it, else it'll revert back to defaults (esp with HDR) until you change any setting in the menus and it restores it again.
Pixel size is actually 2.0µm in the Sony IMX334, think the seller made a mistake. Although sensor size is a lot more important than pixel size when it comes to low light performance. I have the same sensor in my camera, only difference is it was significantly cheaper because it is limited to 30fps at 4k. Might want to test out the 0.35x version of that adapter since you don't seem to mind blowing money on camera equipment. I personally prefer it, as while you get some vignetting it, you get a much larger field of view that better matches the eyepieces.
So the last two of them display 4K (3840P) video/image? And the first two HD (1080P) ?
Does anyone else use the RT5109 Camera from RISING CAM? - I own one and when I received it the image is flipped the opposite of of all my other microscope cameras. I thought maybe they installed the sensor upside down or wasn't rotated correctly. The sensor is on its own pcb so in theory it could be rotated but then the issue is the ribbon cable will not reach. I had to go into the settings and flip it ( right to left) & then ( down to up ) in order for all the wires to face the back on my trinocular microscope. I asked the seller why it was like that but didn't receive a straight answer but just to flip the image from in the camera settings like I already did. If I didn't flip the image the wires would be facing me and would have to be routed to the back technically the front of the camera were the power light is. Also I noticed the auto-white balance on mine is pretty aggressive at times.
I want to encourage you all, to try 35-50 mm lens with a cheapest possible HD/FullHD web camera. Just remove the original lens and try. You get, as i have, about 3-5 milimeter field, but from the 400 mm to 1,5 m distance! So if you have the 35 mm lens, you also have the microscope. With slightly beeter image than old sorins microscope and without IR filter, so you can't use the microsope on sunlight (or other thermal intensive lightsource). But the benefit is you will see anything above ~380°C. Not exatly the thermal camera, but you will see the tip of your soldering iron glowing. I have the camera above my head, allways on ad love it. As a viewer just use Camera in windows or OBS on a linux desktop.
Sorin can you post your settings for the RT5109 ? I want to see what your using vs what my settings are.
Are using the USB or HDMI when recording on the RT5109?
Hi Sorin, I'm using a 16 MP color digital camera, it works just fine for my needs, can you post a link to the the lens you bought, hopefully I can find the same one on Amazon in the USA.
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Wow Sorin finally has a good microscope pic quality, nice! I always told you his mic pic quality was crap.
damn, its night and day difference, good job with this new camera
RT5109 has been my go to for 4K for my 55” TV.
I’ve been recommending this camera to everyone who can afford it. It is a great camera and thanks for making a review !
Are you using it at 4K 30 or 1080p 60? Have tons of experience with my Stereo Scope and am looking for a Camera to record and teach. I’m told 30fps can make it very uncomfortable to use.
@@mavenaz1975 Sorry for the late reply I just saw your comment. I'm using it 4K @ 60 FPS. Ya most other cameras that are sold are junk but this one is a real 4K 60 FPS. I use it with my capture card ( Live Gamer Live Ultra 2.1 ) and record with 0 issues. It gets passthrough to my 55 4K TV and there is 0 lag. Most of the time I'm watching it through my OBS preview and there's no delay there either. Just watch out on which 4K 60FPS capture card you use. All the MJPEG 4K60 format capture cards will lag and be horrible Unless you have a top top tier gpu / cpu. ( 12900k/3090 4090 ) The Live Gamer Ultra 2.1 uses many different formats but for 4K60 recording NV12 is the codec that has 0 lag and perfect picture quality. I have a 3090 /12900k cpu/gpu but I can record with a super budget GPU in OBS using NV12 4K60. I tried it with my mini Lenovo Tiny P330 workstation that only has a I7 8700T and a Quadro P620 2gb card without any issues.
Dear, please can you post a link for the auto focus ring on AliExpress?
Do you have a link or can tell me what the exact model of auto focus ring is! There are 2 that I found on aliexpress, one is $130 and the other is only $30! I need to buy that one asap!
Please let me know! Thank you!
very nice!
Awesome review question does it have auto focus? The new camera
No!
@@electronicsrepairschool Wow Thanks that Sucks Thanks bro
Brother if I wanted to send some electronics to you for fixing How can I get a hold of you?
Acel autofocus ring, aveti UN link cumva
so impressive performance with the low pixel size
For those of you who have a camera; do you use the monitor picture for your work or is it only to record your work for CZcams? I only have my stereoscopic and I am doing well with it. Is there huge benefits to having a camera?
It is much better for your eyes, if continues using stereoscopic will have damage to your eyesight, now this day the quality of them is getting better and the price is lower, don't have to follow those old brand name, their improvement is slower than lots newcomer, I just ordered a Noname brand 2K camera and lenes set for about US$150. new week I will let you know the quality. Also, Sony sensors is much better, but mine is Panasonic sensor and price is lower.
I use it for recording of work for reference/proof if clients ask for it or there's a dispute, and of course I'm using it for CZcams too
I prefer the stereo scope for precision since the spatial awareness is much improved especially on very small and tight layouts. The camera view on a large nice monitor screen is great when generally inspecting, though the FOV is less than in stereo on scope. I find that I use both quite a lot. I am using the Amscope Camera without Autofocus, but I also use an aftermarket manual focusing ring. I'm quite happy with my Amscope camera now.
Personally, I just bought mine for fun as I like playing around with cameras. And just in case I ever need to take a picture or record something I am working on. But I much prefer using the eyepieces over the camera.
Then again, I only use my microscope occasionally to repair electronics for myself/friends. If it was something I was using on a regular basis. I can see the camera being nice to have just to give yourself a break from being glued to the eyepieces.
Can somebody link me this autofocus ring. Or any autofocus ring :)
On IMX334 can get much cheaper device then this last "best" camera. Another point is quality light - if you get high CRI LED lights, the quality of picture will be better on any of them.
Is the rt5602 really a 4k camera? The image looks strange, maybe (probably) it's just the light, idk.
Can you Sorin shine a light on this? can you see the resolution it outputs?
It's 4K as UHD, as opposed to 4K, so it's subtly different but it's still high resolution. The Red 4K is the one that I'm using but I deliberately force it down to 1080@60 for my capture purposes ( I was more interested in true 60fps than 4K )
@@pldaniels oh, ok, that explains the difference in the images between the 2 4k cameras, thank you.
Come to Besiktas,Sorin...
Oh...whoa...microscope cameras...great subject :) i watching from poland :)
The last one is the best :)
I remember my last mod for microscope camera. I mod sony wx-220 for microscope. Over hdmi beautyfull image...best i see.
Ps: i remember your old videos...video quality from microscope....sucks xD
Perfect :)
Sorin in 3D
"i wont touch the light"... next sec... "let me increase the light"
RF4 4K is also great
That Red camera probably has some setting wrong or is set to manual exposure.
I am so annoyed at Amscope for their crappy trinocular camera tube mount setup out of the box. I went through the very same frustrations with my Stereo Scope which was great, but you have to dig and experiment until you finally crack the code on a decent video camera setup to make it perform well for your needs. Even after finding a good camera, you still need to figure out that the OEM mount is rubbish and change it.
Thanks for the investment! Glad we lose the 720p microscope looks. Sharp en detailed view will watch fine !
genius man:)))
Now need to add "anti glare light" to arsenal.
Hi Sorin, I have an AmScope SE400-Z binocular microscope, I am wondering if I attach a 4K camera will have depth of field? My purpose is for miniature painting. Your video is superb. Thank you
Noicee
Buy camera with Sony IMX385 or IMX290 sensor,they are the best at quality- price!
Sorine sunt foarte multumit sa te privesc , esti unul dintre romanii care au reusit "afara" insa ce ma intriga ca totusi la varsta ta ... NU folosesti ochelari !!!
Oare cum este posibil ?
Interesting… but you forgot to take a look to the actual image sensor…
04:50 When I want the device to automatically turn on when power is applied, I solder an electrolytic capacitor to the button contacts. Simple and very effective.
I also ask you to write the firm of screwdrivers in the frame at 20:00 minutes. 15 years ago, they gave me one long screwdriver from this company, but I could not understand who the manufacturer was. Can you share with me the store where I can order these screwdrivers?
just buy antiglare light that would be a huge diffrence
Asa. Da cu răcire cum trebuie....
Have you heard of the anti glare light that northridgefix is selling with their camera? I hope there is other brandthat offer the same function
Yes, it would be interesting to see all cameras with light coming from the side, rather than from the ring light (which is very likely to cause significant light reflection from the target).
I've spent the last 6 months working on a new ring light for my microscope work ( I have the RisingSun Red 4K camera ) and I don't find it's glaring. Quality of the LED emitters matters a lot, and if you're still having issues then a very fine diffuser should help.
If you look any any videos on my channel from the last couple of months you'll get an idea of what it's like.
What’s good price for those camera with hdmi with good quality vision for beginners? I can’t afford expensive one like over $200 dollars. I’m look for under $150 dollars for beginner that I am very motivation working repair like your work and other CZcamsrs that have nice camera like those but I can’t afford like their camera which is over $300 dollars if I’m improving better work repair electronics and growing business for myself work at home then I can afford over $350 dollars for camera lol. Know what I mean guys WHO read my comment. Give me any good advice with good quality camera which is under $150 for beginner rookie repair guy is me.. lol. Thanks
Maybe find a second hand HD1080p30 camera. You really should though buy the proper ring adapter even though it is expensive, but you will get a better result even from a cheaper camera. Best choice though is to keep saving until you can afford the good camera. Of course, what isn't mentioned here is that you need to also have a good capture card, and they are not cheap for good ones.
@@pldaniels thank you 🙏 for your advice. I appreciate that alright I’ll forward for those issue.. I appreciate that Paul.. thank guys.. 🙏
I using my mobile phone on flexible table arm, streaming to pc through software , picture quality good enough and cheap.
@@QARepair that’s great start… thank buddy…
@@QARepairwhat is the app name for streaming for PC ? Thanks
I bought a Eakins camera for £70 and its not the best but good enought and dies the job.
Can you please tell which one you bought (if it was from ali, item number from url would be good, because youtube autodeletes posts with links)? I'm also considering to buy one of theirs (with IMX334 sensor), but it's kinda tough to pick between few with almost identical parameters without almost any reviews.
You fix the microscope camera! kkkkkkkkkkk
The thing is these cameras claim to be such and such mega pixel but there not, you need to check the sensor inside as china has a habit of claiming it has such and such sensor but inside it’s not, also the sensor will help reveal the true specification.
The amscope is way way over priced
Yeah I need to get one of those. And for sure NOT the Amscope one. I have a USB-only Amscope MU1403 and this is just a disgusting piece of shit, delivering 3 fps in complete crap quality. Will grab this HDMI chinese one.
all tested camerase are not good. Dont buy less than 5 megapixels. The best are fullframe mirrorless cameras
I have yihzan kamera 48mpx but is a peace shit
I think you interpretation regarding pixel size is wrong. Smaller it is, sharper image will be. It has nothing to do with light. Sensor size and exposure will affect how the camera acts in low light environment. Bigger sensor will have better performance in low light and low noise.
Pixel size it reffers to the size of each pixel in camera's resolution. At 4k with a small pixel size will give you a better sharpness and contrast.
a pixel doesn't know anything about sharpness or contrast, a pixel is actually a fototransistor, so all what is related with a pixel is regarding the light quantity. Bigger sensors are made from a simple single reason, bigger pixels
@@electronicsrepairschool I think we have to agree we disagree with each other. There are only 2 obstacles in real world, the light will meet them before are converting to digital world.
1. is the lens, wider it is, more light will let pass throught it.
2. is the sensor , bigger it is, more light will hit the sensor and allow image to be brighter when it will be digitally processed.
The pixels are the results from compression and digital processing.
That's why smartphones struggle to film in low light, because they have a tiny sensor and light cannot be absorbed proprly.
Not really, the pixel are real, are fototransistors. The phones are struggle with the light because of the density of the small pixels on a small surface, high resolution means more pixels. Check here samsung s23 camera specs www.dxomark.com/samsung-galaxy-s23-camera-test/#:~:text=the%20captured%20data.-,Overview,aperture%20lens%2C%20Super%20Steady%20Video and about pixels www.princetoninstruments.com/learn/camera-fundamentals/pixel-size-and-camera-resolution
@@electronicsrepairschool Look Sorin, i bet that the camera that are very darken image in your video, is the only which have physically smallest sensor, or the lens is not wide.
Photons will be more, only if the lens is wide, or sensor is bigger so they arrive in larger number. It doesn't matter how many photoreceptors are on sensor or how big they are.
Why you think you can see better straight through microscope? Photons will arrive through lens straight to your retina.
Retina is the sensor. Then how we interpret the data is our brain.
@@Flavius-Tech in this case, both the Red 4K with dark image and the new camera with bright image are using the same sensor, SONY IMX334.
In this particular comparison it would seem that it's in the post processing that the differences are present in so far as the light sensitivity.
Only thing left is an Anti-glare light and youre' good to go.
I would never buy one with a cell inside ...
The cheap thing you pay it twice…
Yea Alex from NorthridgeFix selling best quality camera which cost $498 dollars or something. I wish have those like his new camera but it’s expensive that I can’t afford for now… but I wish MrBeast name Jimmy who give away donate to anyone with his good heart that help everyone in world? It would be awesome for him help me out for what I need those electric tools supply that I want grow business like your job and other CZcamsrs. I am deaf but I can work and learn fast doing anything as like “Handyman” business license that I can work anything as repair guy.
I am motivation want doing that asap but money is problem that I am not rich guy lol. Oh well job is what I want earning good business with everyone who own business for repair electric that I am dreaming 💯 motivation like your guys work is amazing and mental challenge is key for our state of mind can work anything we can doing our skill ability.. know what I mean guys? Smile. God bless all
Northridge Fix only resells and makes good money. He only cares about good business.👇
He is selling lapsun cameras, which sometimes you can get with fake sensor