Okinawan Forearm Conditioning - Uechi Ryu Karate
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- The benefits of percussive body conditioning have been sought after and revered by martial Okinawan martial artists for centuries. In this video, Chip Quimby demonstrates a wide variety of arm solo conditioning methods (kote-kitai / ude-tanren) for hardening and strengthening the forearms.
Please note that although many conditioning methods are presented to the viewer, it is NOT recommended to perform more than two or three exercises for any specific body part during one conditioning session. The goal of the video is to provide the student with a variety of creative methods for supplementing his or her own conditioning training. This type of training should always be supervised by an experienced instructor.
0:16 Preparation for Conditioning
0:37 Warming up Extensor and Flexor Muscle Groups
1:05 Using Stone Bucket (jari-bako) for Continued Warm-up
1:31 Twin Locks Conditioning Method
2:15 Forging - Ulna & Radius
3:07 Compound Striking on Harder Surfaces
3:48 Striking Small Sandbag Makiwara
5:02 Striking Large Sandbag Makiwara
6:20 Utilizing Active Pressure - Roller on Ulna
6:37 Iron Brush Training (tetsu-taba)
7:08 Cooling Down & Finish
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Okay here's my question. Does this type of training give the practitioners arthritis when they get older?
This is truly a Hard style of martial arts. Is he rubbing herbs on his hands.
Thanks for your comment. I think for longterm health, it's critical that this sort of training be done gradually. It's been something I've done now for three decades and honestly, didn't look anything like this when I started.
I trained in this style. We did arm pounding with a partner in a prearranged set of movements. Heaven help the student who paired up with our sensei. When he hit your forearm with his, it was like being hit with an iron bar. We also did leg and shin pounding. Our sensei trained in Okinawa under the grandmaster and he trained us in the traditional way, as he had been taught. His name is Frank Gorman.
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Frank was a beast
I remember my sensei in uechi-ryu had strong forearms and we always partnered up for the arm conditioning as there was no wooden dummies at the school . Great style , great technique to condition .
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people, remember if you start this, begin softly. repetition is more effective than striking hard. basically what's happening is you're making tiny fractures in the bones and they heal stronger than they started.
you want to stop each session BEFORE you start bruising. remember this is for conditioning.
Bones and muscle tissue are not the same. You are definitely confusing them here. A fractured bone may briefly be stronger then the surrounding area, but in a short amount of time a fracture will return to the regular strength. Abuse like this also does nothing to increase bone density. This is more pain training then anything else. And if you take this to far and cause a real break, you can permanently weaken the bone. This entire practice is Sudo.
The principal at work here is called Wolf's Law. Named after the German anatomist and surgeon Julius Wolff (1836-1902) in the 19th century, states that bone in a healthy person or animal will adapt to the loads under which it is placed. If loading on a particular bone increases, the bone will remodel itself over time to become stronger to resist that sort of loading. Essentially the striking of the arm on object makes the bones harder and more dense over time.
He is building callace,if he stops for a while he will lose it,but may need joint surgery in the future,unless he has good DNA or diet
Doesn't the knuckle training thing karate does cause arthiritis when your older
he didn't talk about muscle tissue.
People laugh at the traditional karate but my instructor had arms like baseball bats. And pie plate fists
do people laugh at karate? that sucks, karate's old school awesome
@Diarmid O'Connor No, bone-hardening training is a thing.
I think the reason people laugh at it is because they’re are too many McDojos that teach water down techniques
@Diarmid O'Connor no dude..... bone training is done via practices like this, not lifting weights. lifting weights enlarges muscle belly, not bone not soft tissue, the latter which something iron body can do.
masters with developed fists have increased size due to all the adapted trauma to their hands. they're far beyond just a genetic baseline
really good demonstration and explanation. And, great to see some of the warmups needed for this training (as well as the medicine needed). Nice to see that on YT
imho - Its's ALL about the Hojo undō ..really, this training predates 'karate' even :)
fyi - I stopped going to classes many years ago ..but, my Hojo undō has never stopped. It evolves and continues. I real enjoy delving into it and learning how the body was 'built' pre modern gym weights/methods etc. If taught the basics correctly, the further you go into it the more 'goals' that appear. The more goals you pass, more then appear. It all gets very 'Zen' (in fact, the two are interlinked somewhat ;)
Peace.
These are most comprehensive techniques for Bone Condition...Thnx
Thank you for your comment sir. I appreciate the feedback!
Thank you for showing this authentic way of hardening the forearms. I read long time ago the book called "The iron palm". Serious training methods are described there, but this is nothing to joke with!
Thank you for your comment - much appreciated.
There's something rather poetic about these long time black belts losing the black dye in their belts after wearing it for so long, to reveal white underneath.
We're all just students at the end of the day. 👍
I healed my elbow by doing this. I've had a wrist fracture as a teenager that led to elbow problems as an adult. I've had even surgery in my 30's and stil had pain. I tried some of those drills for some time and it worked like a charm
ok but where do I get a briefcase shaped rock to practice with
Big Member - I made mine using this product.
www.titleboxing.com/title-heavy-bag-anchor-unfilled
Thank
Alternatively i think you can use anything that resembles its weight and density, like a car tire
I don't recommend that they are dirty as hell unless brand new. I have actually just been using a tree but of course if there is inclement weather is a problem tho I train other ways then
Just cover them with tape or something else to avoid to get dirty
No no no... It's made of chocolate, can't u see?
These exercises are great when we're in our 20's and 30's, but sadly as we get older our bodies break down. Take it from this 55 year old 3rd Dan who's done all of these drills and much more.
Osu!!
Thanks for your comment, Randy. Moderation and intensity are certainly both factors that need to be properly managed to avoid careless injury and along with long-term health problems. Personally I've been doing these drills for over three decades now and found this recipe to be an effective one. Many of my seniors in Okinawa, who are considerably older than you and I,
have also had similar results.
My age 70yr old I still do bare knuckles planks on a wooden floor and punch the heavy bag
This is like a asmr.I'm bouta go to sleep...
Back when I practiced martial arts we practiced forearm strikes and conditioning along with focusing mostly on the wrist: To support your punching power, if your wrist turns when you punch you can get hurt or lose all potential mass in the strike. The way my teacher explained it was: Your hand is the hammer, your wrist is the neck, your forearm is the haft, and your elbow is the handle or pommel. Therefore your range of motion to strike with, much like the leg follows this same fashion, you can use it but you may not get as much acceleration, but you can exert the same or more force.
I don't block much with my forearm as i use it to deflect blows more often, stopping something can hurt, but if you turn the strike away or redirect it, so long as done properly, will not hurt you as much and can dis-balance someone. Which leaves room for you to return a strike, now days though counter punching is the primary form of defense, If you hit them after they miss and their weight is off they take the full brunt of your punch with little time or ability to defend, but if you hit them in the start up and early portions of their swing you can double your impact by using their own force against them. It's not that hard to grasp really, over-shoot your punch if your scared of missing, and let your entire fore-arm bash their face, the closer you are to them the less damage they can do with kinetic or centrifugal force. Get closer and use your elbows and forearms. Then they can't punch you as hard in theory. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My arms are like "don't you dare".
0:37 them knuckles tho
Looks like a armor of extra skin grew over his hands. They are like meaty Boxing gloves
A blackbelt true color will shown in a long time.... Like this guy here...the color of kuro obi is white...a color for a learner...for a true blackbelt are a forever learner. #osu
Thank you for your comments sir!
Very true. I was doing a demonstration to some students the other day and said I had been doing martial arts since 1994 and considered myself very much an amateur. A student came up to me after and asked how long I would have to train before I thought of myself as an expert. I replied the true spirit of martial arts means always considering yourself a student.
I like that good word my man.
Well, the belt would be worn for all exercise. And would fade to a whitish color
OSS!!
Increíble, soy un admirante de los ejercicios de endurecimiento de los Karatecas y como aguantan semejante intensidad. Como practicante de Wing Tsun estaria bueno que se agrege esto a nuestro sistema, el endurecimiento es muy útil
I use the edge of my kitchen counter tops and door jams. Thank you for the video. Solid. Amazing dedication.
That is some intense training. I need to reach this level. 🥋🏋🏿♂️🧘🏿♂️
Osu .. I am a yellow belt in shin kyokushin katate , and i am still praticing and those exercices are very usefull ...
This truly is authentic... I've heard about most of these techniques...
Thank you for your comment sir.
Very good demonstration. Especially liked that you added some of the 'minor' details (like warm-up and dit da jow use) that most videos miss. Keep up the training :)
Osu!
Thank you very much!
Osu great video of real training to develop an iron body/arm skill...Thanks for sharing...Osu!
Thank you for your interest and support. OSU!
Great Video, lots of dedication and it shows.
excellent! all martial artists should train this way
Sensei Quimby.. this is a great video. Thanks for sharing this!
Thank you Darllan - I appreciate all the support sir. I hope you and your family are well.
Fantastic video! Great demonstration of traditional karate conditioning techniques. Oss🥋
Nice set... I see some classic greats there.. awsome.
Thank you sir! I appreciate your comment.
Wow... I'm speechless; many thanks for sharing this!
Thank you for your comment...much appreciated.
Dziekuje bardzo! CZESC.
Did Uechi for fifteen years, those dudes are tough.
I was doing Uechi ryu many years ago and got to green belt. However, my sensei then left for Nova Scotia and then that was it for that! The hardest technique I had mastering was kicking kumite. This conditioning stuff was easy, but it was against real people not against training apparatus.
Great stuff! Thank-you-very-mashita for sharing 😁
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We did the gravel bucket thing when I boxed, but with sand and rice. Squeezing it into a ball and moving it to another bucket. It strengthens your wrists for punching which also really helps in street fights where your hands aren't wrapped and your wrists can buckle
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Very informative and surprisingly relaxing thank you
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never ceases to amaze me
Thank you Sir!
Great video. Top. Thanks.
Thanks for share Sensei. Very educational!
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So good!
Very interesting ! Some viewers think this could be detrimental to your health. I think it depends on a lot of factors.
You can watch videos of Sensei Morio Higaonna , for example , at 79 years old, practising this kind of conditioning and performing Katas and he looks like a very helthy person to me. Of course he has dedicated his whole life with true devotion to the practice of Karate.
Domo arigato Sensei Quimby !
Bernardo H I used to do alot of conditioning stuff and am wondering if I am doomed to arthritis some day 😄
MorteWulfe
Just Read about Wolff's law
I used to do the Uechi toe kick conditioning by kicking tires, walls, trees etc... with my big toe. I'm 65 now and that toe is filled with arthritis and osteoporosis. I can barely touch it now it is so painful. Hope you make out better than I did.
Bernardo H s
Bernardo H If newbies started out going as hard as he is in this video they will be left with bruises and hairline fractures. This type of conditioning requires lots of patience, time and dedication. It will make you very hard and tough for sure.
Nice work.
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Such a relaxing video, I love it
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nothing but respect for the old Karate masters who originated these techniques.
Thank you for your comment sir.
Thank U sensei for the video
Awesome video with solid techniques.... don't ever mess with these dudes💪
Thank you for our comment sir.
Great Video!
Thank you, Robert! I appreciate the support.
Oss. Fantastic and an inspiration to us all
Thank you for this, I will build a small makiwara sand bag and add it to my Hung Gar training :)
This all comes from Hung Gar training!! Don't forget the Dit dah jow!! : )
Great video!!!
good work ...
I tried coming up with some kotekitae exercises, and they're almost the same as these! Not to brag, just simply fascinated! Big like and subscribe!
Thanks for your comment Saul...I appreciate. Wishing you well with your training.
Nicely done
Brian Scott - thank you sir
Quality. Thanks!
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OSH MASTER
Thank you very much for this video. Question, where did you purchase the small sandbag makiwara?
Love this kind of Martial arts
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Thank you, very good video!
Thank you so very much. I appreciate your support.
INCREDIBLE! Where do you get the liniment from?
Esse é o caminho!!
Oss!
Thank yous for sharing
Shah shah
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Where can I buy some of this gear and how does one know if they are making progress?
That is very good. Wow !!!
Cool video. Very inspiring.
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Good video
Very Interesting
This is the great video
Thank you, sir.
What kind of liniment do you use? What's the name?
Thanks for your time and lessons
THIS IS AMAZING!!! I SUB!!!!
A very informative and impressive demonstration. Thank you sensei for sharing. I wonder what your thoughts are on progressing with time to harder surfaces, such as stone and iron.
Thanks for your comment, Even! I think it's fine to gradually progress to harder materials/surfaces when conditioning, as long as it's done slowly and consistently. The key, in my opinion, is to listen to what the body is saying and to adapt based on what's best for you as an individual. Of course, harder materials present a greater risk of injury to the practitioner, so being mindful when conditioning is paramount along with keeping the ego in check to avoid over conditioning and accidentally causing trauma to the body. Thanks again for your interest Even.
Very Good!
Ma sha Allah very nice
is there a place where you recommend learning uechi ryu online? I'm very interested in practicing
Sensei, your making me say incredible.excellent.
Thank you sir! Onegaishimasu.
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Since there is some controversy in the comments here i thought it would be a nice idea to share my opinion as well. First, thank you sensei quimby for the demonstration, i found it rather useful and interesting to watch, food for thought! As far as the usage these techniques will find, i see a lot of people expressing disbelief, instead supporting the mixed martial arts system of combat as a more successful way of fighting. Truly, MMA is a product of the distilled knowledge from many martial arts, a bounqet of the most effective techniques. Still, one has to take into consideration that a real martial arts consists of the cultivation of both mind and body as well as the balance in ones feelings and thoughts. A martial art as Uechi Ryu Karate was created many years ago and rest assured, at that time striking with the inside of your foreman was a rather useful technique and in my opinion has many usages even for today's society. I do respect mixed martial artist for their skills, truly hard work and nerves of steel, but MMA was created as a mix of techniques useful into the cage against one opponent. A martial art is created to fight (apart from the difficulties of everyday life) more than one opponent at the same time. If brute force and violence or just clever thinking in conjunction with body strength were victorious against the art of war, then martial arts would be extinct, for they were made as a tool for the weak to topple the strong.
In any case this is my personal opinion, once again thank you sensei Quimby for the demo, even though i follow a differnt Do i appreciate your art and personal style that you bring in it.
Thank you very much for your comment sir.
What did you use to make the hanging sand bag makiwara sir??
Hi Ryan - I used a synthetic leather material that I bought at the local fabric superstore. They had nice selection to choose from and I'm really impressed with the durability.
Fascinante entrenamiento un gran arete Marcial el karate saludos
Muchas gracias. Agradezco su apoyo. ¡Saludos desde Boston!
Much respect
Respect to you Sensei. This was a serious demonstration of ancient skills and discipline. Too bad MMA practitioners don't study or practice the essence of martial arts and the way (DO) to improve not only as honorable warriors, but also as a human beings.
Roberto - thank you sir! Onegaishimasu!
Roberto Calderón yeah man those mma fighters are so inefficient. If they just spent an hour a day conditioning their forearms theyd perform better. /s
Mma is multitasking
MMA is a totally different practice with a totally different intention and ultimate goal. With all of the rules in their sport, much of these conditioning methods wouldn't be necessary. These exercises strengthen and reinforce the body for a force of impact that just doesn't happen in MMA. There's nothing wrong with that, but they are two equally respectable and completely different beasts! 🙇♂️ I'd rather appreciate each practice for what it is than compare the two 😄
Mma is a different form of fighting. Its not the style, but the dedication to it. There isnt a better or worse. Just better or worse training and discipline. All forms of martial arts require this.
Hey thnx for this great exercises
I was searching for this kind of videos plzz put some more exercises like this
Rahul Gupta - thank you sir!
I studied this religiously for over 30 years but it was really Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu that made a good fighter. There were several of us in Group on teams that agreed it was time to get real and study something that prepared us for life and death situations. I studied Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu in secrecy because it was frowned upon in those days to study outside your art. After the Master Uechi passed I told Perkins Sensei I'm done because of all the BS politics and fake crap you have to contend with. Today, I do the Katas because it allows me to reflect and they give me a sense of peace. Still, I have lots of good memories and Master Uechi and Perkins Sensei taught me how to have a sense of honor and be a man of integrity. Virtues no longer important to these younger entitled generations.
BRAVO
If you study the old karate scriptures you'll learn that most of what modern karate teaches are blocks are actually very close attacks moving inward and upward, mostly targeting the armpits and inner thighs. Like many, while learning shito-ryu, I was taught a half truth: that they are defensive blocks for punches and kicks that should be thrown as hard as an attack. My Sensei reasoned that sword, knife and baseball bat attacks could be defended with a strongly conditioned overhead forearm block. But, when reading the old scripts, I learned that such a block is actually an attack to the opponent's armpit area when stepping forward, coming up at them from a deep and low stance. I'm not saying they didn't condition their bodies - they did, but I think they were less concerned about doing things "the traditional way," and more about doing anything found to be effective.
Thanks for your comment David along with the informative post. I appreciate it.
@@AuthenticKarateTCWestPeabody Sure thing. Looking back on this, I've noticed that there's a commonality of the smaller south east asian martial arts of some pretty brutal practices physical toughening of the body. The first doubts I had of blocks being used to offensively disengage an enemy was when I started practicing western boxing. I learned quickly that it wasn't very efficient to focus so much energy on such blocks against a boxer. Maybe things were different against multiple armored enemies in feudal Japan though. So many men unfortunately fail to place traditional martial arts into the context of their historical purpose. There's a lot of traditional martial arts that can make learning a culture's history more interesting than a typical college lecture.
Thank you for the great tutorial! OSU!!!!!!
I appreciate the kind words sir. Thank you!
Max respect goes out to you brother osu
Thank you for your comment sir.
Hai!!!!... Good vídeo.
What you think about my muay thai ball makihura???
Love Okinawa based karate..
Shito ryu
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Thank you for the awesome video.
My son son his forearms hurt just from watching this video. Lmao
Hi. I would like to ask, is it okay to do this on a heavy bag instead? Because that's all I have right now.
I studied Uechi for 20 years before going to China to study some Chinese martial arts. I showed my Xing Yi teacher there my forearm conditioning exercises by hitting my forearm with a hammer. The handle snapped and he almost got hit it the head from the flying hammer head. He wasn't too impressed and said that if you used your mind correctly you didn't need that type of conditioning. and he thought it was bad for the tissue. He then had one of his students start laying into my cement wall with his forearm even though he had never done any body conditioning.
Thank you for your comment sir.
Hi Sensei, is I possible to find that conditioning stone in the US?
I do Muay Thai and bjj at the moment but I love traditional martial arts lol
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Good stuff
Thanks for the visit
The MMA and BJJ fanboys insulting this in the comments disappoint me. I won't deny that Brazilian Jiu-jitsu genuinely is a good and very effective martial art that anybody would benefit from learning, as well as being genuinely effective in a self-defense scenario, but my criticisms with it is that it's best used to END a fight in worst case scenarios where the victim is unable to get to safety in time, and even then, it becomes useless if a victim finds themself facing off against multiple attackers, although that's a disadvantage for everybody depending on the environment, and I still believe BJJ can be effective in certain areas, it's just that there are better options, such as Judo.
It's my personal opinion that any BJJ practicioner would benefit from learning a striking based martial art like Karate or Boxing, as the best thing to do in a self-case scenario is to throw a jab or any other fast strike with proper form at the assailant's vital areas, such as the chin, the solar plexus, stomach, liver, or testicles, then escaping as fast as possible while their assailant is recovering, although I believe that BJJ is still, and will always be a valid option for self-defense, it's just that like every martial art, certain techniques are better for stunning the target so you can escape, and other techniques are better for ending the fight.
Overall, I have no disrespect for BJJ, as, like I said before, a genuinely effective martial art, but I feel like a lot of people overrestimate how good it is and act like knowing it will make you invincible, when that's the exact opposite of the truth, especially if one decides that they've become good enough at BJJ that they don't need to train or spar anymore, which is one of the biggest failings in martial arts and just about everything in general; the inability to recognize that one will never be good enough, and being unable to see that as a good thing, as long as you have the self-love, humility, passion, and dedication to continuously improve, there's next-to-no limits on how skilled or strong you can get.
Thank you for your very thoughtful comment,
rgtert rtertertert. Much appreciated.
I’m radically more cruel in my assessment of BJJ. Having defended against it, handily. I practice Goju, have for about 16 years. I began taking it brutally seriously 5 years ago, I’ve Boxed and wrestled for 6 odd years or so. I was homeless/transient most of those 16 years. I would describe myself as very dedicated to what I call martial analysis. I cannot possibly rail enough against BJJ as a style.
It seems to be teaching all the wrong things. That fighting is desirable, so long as somebody “taps.”
This is done by simply wrenching or cranking a joint until fracture, ideally somebody taps before then. (This is very simple to defend against if you’ve conditioned your body.)
You’ll seldom encounter a humble BJJ practitioner: though they all openly boast of this. It’s a false humbleness. In fact it’s extreme hubris that masquerades as humility and wisdom. This becomes hideously amplified if it’s the only style they’ve been exposed to. Quintuply so if it’s all they’ve really seen and know. It’s also so highly removed from Jujitsu I’m surprised the government of Japan hasn’t formally raised suite on the matter in court, but I needn’t digress further.
Any serious greenbelt or blackbelt from more than several schools of hard martial art (White Crane, Uechi, Wado, Kyokushin, Shito, Goju, et alia) will be able to handle a blackbelt BJJ individual. The problem is BJJ thinks strangulation is also a wonderful way to make people tap. Considering that brain death from O2 depletion can happen after 3 Seconds in states of extreme exertion (like, idk, say… a fight) I would say if I was staying out of it, and watched somebody perform a choke: I’d have the right to respond brutally. I might be obligated to do so.
This is a Terrible thing. I fear it. I try not to be totally neurotic about it. It’s not desirable in the slightest and if you do it in front of a policeman thinking that the lawman will see you as some good-Samaritan-Clark-Kent figure: check yourself into a psychiatric ward. If the police see a BJJ black belt yoke a dude up, take ‘em down, choke them out and that individual dies: that person, is now a Murderer.
BJJ says it teaches deescalation, but if you really dissect it you will find totally incoherent precepts, ineffectual aggression and it’s only tool for ending a fight is to engage the entire body to disable a single limb or joint. When that doesn’t work they try positional asphyxiation, then when that doesn’t it’s elevated to strangulation. Then the style runs out of tools, By Its Own Admission. It’s not an incomplete style. It’s a scam.
Just watch a catch wrestler square off on a BJJ black belt. Then you’ll actually see what humility looks like on there faces. My grip strength and sprawling has foiled a great many “BJJ” practitioners. Nothing terribly advanced in terms of pain compliance techniques has to be employed to make them rethink there entire lives.
It’s aerobics for rapists.
I like this, but I do not know if it will be transmitted to many people.It is a pity that I will be lost.
excellent job, every one should watch this, not mumbo jumbo you see in movies true toning...
Thank you for your comment sir.
Super
Wow impressed ! I tryed this and it hurts like cra lol need conditioning
that looks badass! how long does it take if you start from the bottom till you get to a good point?not a karateka but i could see this being useful for nearly any activity involving hands
How can I make that heave sandbag makiwara? I look something like tape but I’m not sure what kind of structure is inside, I want to make something like that this quarantine.
Thanks for your comment. Both of the sand bag used in this video are made of either canvas or synthetic leather, and filled primarily with sand. The sand was placed in a construction-grade plastic bag before it was placed in the actual container to limit any dust or particles that might escape. It's a pretty basic design, but I'ver found sandbag style striking bags to be one of the most effective and efficient tools for hand and arm conditioning. Good luck, and train safeley.