I'm Literally Sweating | Worship Drummer Reacts to "To the Hellfire" by Lorna Shore
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- Today, we're getting to know who Lorna Shore is. What are y'all doing to me? I simply was NOT ready for this.
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So now it’s time for the Pain Remains Trilogy
Bring the tissues. Yes, you read that correct. Bring the tissues
In Pain Remains even the guitar solos make you cry. Adam really made them sound heartbroken, tormented and anguished.
Or he can react to Will Ramos when he sings like "acapella" (ok there is some music behind, normal) to schow poeple it's real what he is doing with his voice ...
YES THIS
And sun//eater, welcome back o'sleeping dreamer, into abyss and so much more
I didn't think Will and Elizabeth are siblings. I'm fairly certain Will was still unknown to her when she first reacted to Lorna Shore
For sure not siblings but are good friends now.
Strong sibling vibes though.
I am pretty sure they are not siblings by blood, but otherwise, certainly.
They're not siblings.
Not siblings.
The drummer is Austin archey and he is a phenom. He pulls all this off while looking like he'd rather be scrolling Facebook than drumming
He needs to watch his video with meinl cymbals
The Meinl vids are insane!
Mental image of Austin Archey, Aaron Kitcher and Tomas Haake having a drum-off and looking half asleep
He could sleep playing the drums
dude literally does a lot of this stuff high off weed iirc
Pain remains 1,2, and 3. With lyrics pulled up. And tissues.
Lots of tissues.
Tissues every single time I listen to it.
I concur.
Oh, so true.... 😢😢😢
There's actually a video up now with all three videos together and lyrics on screen
Also this is Deathcore, and i agree with some previous commentators, the Pain Remains Trilogy will leave you in awe of just how beautiful deathcore can be.
"Do you understand the lyrics" No mostly not, but the best way I can describe it is that the vocals are like an extra instrument adding to the total in its own unique way.
That's fair.
@@teckreactions this guy is correct, think of extreme vocals as an added percussive element at times. if you read lyrics along with, over time you can understand better, but extreme vocals are more about adding to the instrumentation. i love this band, seen them live twice and they are so tight, and Will sounds amazing live.
this right here
I've never listened to metal screams for the vocals. It's almost always taken as another "percussive instrument" instead of as a singer.
It really depends on the band and pronunciation of the words for me. I can understand maybe 70 to 80 percent of the time when a band does this type of vocals.
My wife asked why I watch reactions more than the original songs and I used this video as an example. I def listen to the original music unbroken, but listening with you feels like I’m hanging with a friend being equally impressed by something we both love
That’s awesome! I’m honored.
Agreed. It is a special kind of joy to witness someone experience music that’s on your playlist for the first time and have their mind blown. As I get older, it only gets more fun.
You only get to listen to a song for the first time once in your life. Reaction videos let you live that moment again and again through other people... THAT is why I watch reactions.
And sometimes they see(hears) something you hadn't noticed, and thou you heard it for years and years, you learn something new
That's exactly what I told my wife. She hates this music, and I just want to share my love of this with somebody, and a reactor may pick up on something I missed.
1:00 whaaaat? They aren't siblings, they met through youtube. Elisabeth was saying she wants to stick camera down a metal vocalist throat for a while and Will was first one who agreed.
I could swear I read somewhere they were related.
@@teckreactions maybe all the comments "they have sibling energy" decieved you :D
Also I swear it’s his kid
I don't know if anyone else answered this yet or not, but the name of the genre of music they play, I believe, is Symphonic Blackened Deathcore.
El esteperino siberiano has a reaction to Lorna shore's drummer with an isolated drum track. You should definitely watch it.
On it.
austin is a monster on drums, he is that good at playing that fast to the point that he’s practicing hours a day even when they’re on tour
I think you’d enjoy Will’s one take vocal playthrough for this tune.
Ohhhh yeah. It's surreal to watch 🤯
LS are considered 'symphonic blackened deathcore'. Do Will's one-take vocal of To The Hellfire (the song is basically about dying and going to hell), then do the Pain Remains trilogy, where things get REALLY extreme and emotional.......
Your resident Atheist Buddy Checking in! Fantastic reaction! Your excitement at all the breakdowns through out the song, without knowing what the final breakdown was, was awesome. Because when it all culminated in that final breakdown your face was priceless! Also i highly appreciate that you were not afraid to rewind and reabsorb the guitar solo, and final breakdown. Lorna Shore has some of if not the MOST tasteful, yet well suited solo's mixed in to all of their songs. I can pick almost any Lorna Shore song, Extract just the solo, and play it for someone who has 0 interest in this style of music, and those people will be blown away by the solo's and leave them asking who the band is.
You Did Great man, no one was ready for this song, when it came out, it fucking shattered everything else around it. This in combination with Slaughter To Prevail's "Demolisher" came out within a year of each other, and they drastically changed the landscape of modern deathcore. It went from, in my opinion, a Dieing Genre, to the forefront of every metal head's playlist. So to say "I was not ready" is the norm on this one man, even for a lot of metal heads like myself.
It is indeed time for the Trillogy. Do the whole trilogy, with lyrics on screen. Someone on youtube has cut all three videos together, with lyrics, this is the next reaction. for sure.
Thanks for watching!
I would suggest watching at least the first part of the trilogy (Dancing Like Flames) on its own. While it is a three-part song, the way the first part ends really contributes to the message of the song imo, especially if you are following the lyrics.
Man you HAVE to do the Pain Remains Trilogy. It’s like a deathcore ballad. I get chills throughout the entire trilogy
Yes, Pain Remains. But also... Geaux Tigers. ;)
@@depthsofeden chomp chomp!
If you find the Meinl cymbals drum cam videos with Austin Archie playing Lorna Shore tunes it will answer many of the gear and technique questions that you had in this reaction. BONUS: You will see that despite the blistering double-strokes on the kick, this dude has a look on his face like it isn't difficult...possibly even boring.
pretty sure his eyes were closed for one of the videos or at least part of it.
@@dragonemperor5195 Austin was actually sick and had 2 compressed vertibrae when he recorded that session, and still made it look effortless. 🤘
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Ah ha!
Pain Remains Trilogy. All 3, back-to-back. Epic
I’ve been listening to this type of music for close to 40 years now. (As long as I can remember) I don’t always understand the lyrics right away, but generally it’s much easier as you listen to it more. Also, as others have said, the vocals are more like an extra instrument. Although, the lyrics are important to the overall story of the song, not understanding them right away doesn’t take away from it.
As for the drummer. Austin Archey does use triggers, but it’s really more so he can get a more consistent sounds from his base drum. He’s using a heel-toe technique, coupled with triggers. When you’re going that fast, the heel hits will still be powerful, but the toe hits aren’t going to hit quite so hard, so the triggers just balance that out.
Also, as others have said. It’s time for the Pain Remains trilogy. I’d suggest doing all 3 at once, with lyrics if you can. Have tissues handy.
Yeah W comment. Everything I was thinking throughout the video wrapped into 1 comment lol
40 years? What band sounded like this back then? I grew up with early Maiden, Megadeth and Metallica before I went straight to Old School Norwegian Black metal. For me NB was the first to even start to sound something like this (I know it's not as it's a totally different teqnique) and that was in the early 90's
@@LeperMessiah2 it’s been an evolution of various sub genres of metal over the years. But, first wave black metal and early death metal started in the mid 80s. I was still pretty young at the time, but thankfully my parents didn’t pay much attention to what I was listening to. And since then I’ve always listened to the heaviest stuff I could get my hands on. It wasn’t until the early to mid 2000s that it finally started to become well-produced, and audible anywhere that wasn’t a live setting. They being said, I lost count of how many times I’ve seen cannibal corpse live.
@@kenny240 I was not part of the cassette copy chain letter scene and decent quality(not really) wasn't available until then tmk
@@LeperMessiah2decent quality was never really available. Lol. At least not as far as I was aware. It pretty much always sounded like the guys just got together in a noisy garage, and hooked up a crappy mic to a boombox, started the cassette recording and started to play.
I've heard this categorized as symphonic, blackened deathcore.
For me, the more i listen to things like Lorna shore, the more i understand the words without looking them up. But i also see the vocals as another instrument, even when i didn't understand it, the vocals express so much.
I recommend the pain remains trilogy but them. And also drum playthroughs by their driver Austin
"What the hell was that"? 😂 That's was the best breakdown ever🔥
I didn't say "hell." :-) But it was sweet.
@teckreactions Well why the hell not??? 😄
Watching this on my lunch break dying laughing
@@AKJACKAL99709because it's a baaad bad word 😂
This is how you introduce a new vocalist. Will made me love deathcore. So Lorna will always have a special place in my heart! :)
The chorus on this track is huge and so catchy! I love IT :D
Pain Remains 1, 2 & 3
Austin uses footblaster triggers, which are actually on the kick pedal rather than attached to the drum head. Helps to prevent accidental triggering since the triggers gotta be super sensitive for these speeds.
Also, yes, for the faster double bass he's doing double strokes.
I'm gonna also jump on what some other commenters have said and suggest you do something like Sun//Eater before hitting the Pain Remains Trilogy. I think it's better to hear more of what Lorna has to offer before jumping into a 20 minute song from them, especially given how much of a departure Pain Remains is from basically the rest of their songs.
And yes, when you do Pain Remains, you should do all three at the same time. It's just how it was meant to be heard.
You have to do the pain remains trilogy now by lorna shore. Bring some tissue
For me its like learning the language of each individual vocalist, Take Will Ramos, and Alex Terrible for example. They are two WILDLY Different speakers, There are massive differences in how Will pronounces a word and how Alex will pronounce the same word.
You could compare them now, because both Will and Alex have Performed Pain Remains I: Dancing like flames. But first you need to react to the Original Pain Remains Trilogy AS A WHOLE. There is a youtube video where all three videos have been cut into one continuous video WITH LYRICS over layed on the video. This is the best way to react to the Pain Remains Trilogy.
I've listened to metal for a long time. So I can understand a lot more than someone hearing it for the first time. I still read the lyrics usually my second listen through and then once you've read the lyrics you can almost hear everything crystal clear. Especially the more you listen to the song you can pick up where things are and how each metal artist in their own way pronunciates everything. Also Slaughter to Prevail his lyrics are half English and half Russian. So naturally i don't know Russian but i like to pretend I do when I'm jamming. But Lorna Shore definitely is my go to metal band right now. I can't not get hyped or goosebumps when I listen. I also think the drummer did a solo run of this song to showcase how he does what he does if you wanna check that out. Slaughter to Prevails drummer is a robot and produces amazing blast beats with the kick drum. I believe the drummer for Lorna Shore is also just a beast lmao. But I could be completely wrong.
Mom" kids can you help with the groceries? They're not that heavy."
The groceries
HA!
I'm glad we made it! I was disappointed when I saw the discord message but the video was blocked. So happy we've made it through. 🔥
We're here!
So glad you got this unblocked! The song is literally about a soul descending to Hell. I'm not too much into different labels, but LS are considered deathcore. Their trilogy Pain Remains 1-3 is something as rare as emotional deathcore. Check it out (but bring tissues)!
Bring tissues to this kind of music?!
@@teckreactions it is weird but yes... maybe you wont get emotional but there is a chance :) I always cry seeing the pain remais, it is brutally sad and beautiful. Hope you get to react to it!
You sort of get used to this and appreciate the sheer beauty of the mayhem. It is delivered with so much nuance. Even in this song.
The pain remains is less agressive but for me it is more like raw pain and hopelessness and that can really get in your throat. Really really good.
@@teckreactions: The Pain Remains trilogy reactions are one of the best places to look into if you want to see grown men cry.
I had to listen them quite many times before seeing Lorna live to not break down in a concert 😀.
@@teckreactionsthe lyrics to that trilogy have cut a lot of onions in front of people, if you catch my drift
I don't think I'll ever understand all the lyrics on a first listen but the longer I listen to this kind of stuff the more words will be understandable on a first listen.
8:15 "my final breath, swallowed by the womb of death"
Deathcore fan here, over time you learn almost like it’s another language. I tell people starting to listen to hear the vocals as another instrument then go back and listen with the lyrics pulled up. The lyrics are really deep in a lot of deathcore songs .
In this genre its pretty much the norm for drummers to use triggers. Also I think the drummer, Austin Archey, is using a heel toe technique don't quote me on that, but he has a live play through of a few of Lorna Shore's songs he is a BEAST.
I'll chime in on the question about understanding lyrics - I juuust started dipping my toes into deathcore, probably a month or two ago. I started with Slaughter to Prevail, and did what you're doing here - followed along with lyrics in front of me to understand what they're saying. For them, obviously kinda hard since, yanno, Russian. But here for Lorna Shore, I just started listening to them THIS WEEK, and having the lyrics in front of me gave me a deeper understanding of the songs and allowed me to really take in the music, breaking that barrier down of "I can't even understand what he's saying, don't think this is for me." I've now listened to their latest album around 6-8 times over...just this week. Having those lyrics on Spotify going helped me to love their music.
You have to watch his vocal playthrough of this song. These vocals are effortless for him and he’s even more technical on the vocal one take than he is on the album track.. He even has a follow up video where he breaks down the techniques he uses in the vocal playthrough
I've seen that. It's pretty crazy.
Pain remains trilogy with lyrics. And prepare to feel feelings.
my opinion for me as a metal heads is, the reason why some people do love this kind of music it’s because the tension from all musical instrument in it. it kinda like gave us a darkness emotion at the same time, especially when the breakdown’s pops out, like a ‘drop’ in edm, it’s kinda give us more tension/emotion to feel the darkness.. btw loved your reaction🤘🔥
This isn't really my genre, but I admire the skill level. There are drum playthroughs of Lorna Shore songs and one take vocal covers, that I actually enjoy more, than the official recordings. I also recommend Will Ramos (the vocalist) covering Chokehold by Sleeptoken.
Greetings from Germany
You have to do the one take vocal playthrough that Will does to this song!! You can see him doing it live in a studio in one take!! It's incredible!! You wont regret it!! Thank you for your reaction!! 😊
I'll check it out!
I`ve been listening to this band for the last two months and they are really amazing, and Will Ramos is amazing. They are the future !!! REALLY AMAZING BAND !!!
"That breakdown was awesome"
Oh boy, get ready lol
I had to read lyrics and then I’ll never not understand the song. That was a big part of why I never got into this kind of music when I was younger (never read the lyrics) with “to the hellfire” that’s what I did and it opened up this entire genre to me.
Austin Archey is the drummer. I told you he sounds like he was made in a lab by drumming scientists. He does drum play throughs with Meinl cymbals. My favorite is "Into The Earth". I will warn you it is INFURIATING how calm he looks while he plays.
This is blackened death metal/Deathcore. The choirs is a black metal element as well as the highness in his screams and then musically is more death metal. It's why I love them musically phenomenal and a mix of everything to the highest standard. And Will is just another level vocally. So glad you did this!!!
It's nuts.
@@teckreactionsyou gonna hear this A LOT but Pains Remains trilogy neds to be next. Best done all 3 videos in one. A lyric video would be best but only warning I will give is bring tissues. Never seen someone do a reaction to the trilogy with out tearing up.
@@joshfayne3591 tears here, every time.
@@joshfayne3591 They did that play through a few weeks ago and its nearing a million views.
Dude was sleeping while killing the drums..wonder what he can do if he awake..😂
About the question of triggers you can find videos of Austin (the drummer) playing on the channel of MEINL Cymbals... This guy is a monster
14:31 that was a pig squeal, yes, its literally known as "pig squeals" because thats what it sounds like, its very characteristic for the deathcore genre
Actually Will does his vocals completely healthy.
I like your videos about metal. Please more!🫣
Of you haven't watched Chris Turner, the drummer from Oceans Ate Alaska, he is know as the cyborg because of his freakishly precise drumming, without using triggers or post production to adjust his album recordings
When it comes to understanding the lyrics, it usually depends on the band. Some vocalists are easier to understand than others, but I always give the lyrics a read over along with the song and that's usually enough to let me understand everything on later listens.
Oh and Live he can take the pig squeals far and beyond Will, is a whole new level bro
also definately pain remains next, all three. there is a video that shows the music videos with the lyrics at the same time
Elizabeth and Will are not related. She just discovered this song and Will when it was released a couple years ago. They're a great team now though!
I could swear I saw somewhere they were related.
@@teckreactions I had to rewatch her first Lorna Shore reaction to confirm she wasn't aware of him before that. It's awesome seeing everything they do together now!
@@teckreactionsThey weren't related _before_
Metal makes all of us brothers and sisters afterall 😊
@@roryasrorri701 Yeah Will just attended his actual sisters wedding. Hes from New Jersey just outside NYC and Elizabeth is from Eastern Washington along the Columbia River. And Elizabeths husband Kirk is from San Diego.
Elisabeth definitely adopted him :-D
Austin the drummer does a few drum pkay through of lorna shores music where you can just watch him and his kit. It's amazing!!
Pain Remains Trilogy, official video with lyrics and with a box of tissues
its amazing Will makes such demonic noises with the personality of a golden retriever lol great video
You should check out some of Austin’s drum play through on the Meinl cymbals channel. Dudes an absolute beast and looks like he’s asleep while he’s doing it
May not be a popular pick, but Will Ramos covers a song by Chelsea Grin called Recreant, with Nik Nocturnal. The mix on it is really amazing where you can hear the totality of his range, he does a series of crazy growls, snarls and highs and you can see closely a bunch of the mouth shapes he makes to generate those sounds since he films it in his studio. You don't need to know the original song to appreciate how monstrous he is in this cover.
I've been listening to this type of music since the 90,s and still do, and I'm 59 years old
Hey Teck, like your video as usual. You can find a lot of "One Takes" by Lorna Shore depending on what you are looking for: Will Ramos (Vocals) and Austin Archey (drums)...
I'll check it out!
14:41 "that was a freaking animal" well, that is technically correct. You might also enjoy the "Man or Beast?" video by Revolver where they asked Will to guess whether a sound was made by a metal vocalist or a wild animal. It's harder than you think.
For Death Metal at least for me, it's all about how long you hear the singer do the vocals along with the lyrics where you'll start to pick up what they're saying. Then whenever a new song is out you'll understand more and more how they like to pronounce their words. But it's not always a 100% understanding more like 80 or 90% with some wrong words.
Their symphonic elements are great. They really give off good ole power metal vibes and i love it.
No one really understands the lyrics without looking them up. But having lyrics at hand until you can hear them without help is an age old custom in metal music.
And in opera, too.
Saw them perform this live at Download last year, it was spectacular!
The lyrics are understandable with time, you can hear them or tbh sometimes its just not happening especially if said lyrics are not enunciated for the sake of sounding cool. What you said fits so well, its like learning a new language. Great vid!
I see
I honestly don't care about the lyrics in this song I just view his voice as another instrument... it talks to me without needing to know the words.
When you learn the individuals vocal style (yes like a different language) it becomes natural understanding.
The drummer for this band is a freaking beast on the drums!!!
And now "Winter" from Synestia/Disembodied Tyrant
this is considered deathcore and austin archey is an absolute animal, his play thrus of some of their songs with meinl will blow your mind
Archspire - "Golden Mouth of Ruin" for more crazy drumming. Maybe Drone Corpse Aviator for something _slightly_ slower from them.
The Pain Trilogy should definitely be next.
I don't always understand the lyrics; but it's not always about the words as it is the raw emotions the song evokes. Now.. a beast on stage; but that dude is the most homiest of homies. Golden Retriever energy. Alex Terrible is the same way. I got to meet Alex and the gang and it's night and day from off and on stage.
I could be wrong but if i remember right the drummer is straight heel and toeing that kick like an utter mad ladd
Symphonic deathcore at it's best. Each of these gentlemen, including Michael Yager not yet in the band, are virtuosi on there instruments. Austin does use triggers, definitely check out his drum playthroughs on the Meinl Cymbal channel. Adam is a magnificent guitarist, and is the primary music writer. Again, great playthroughs on CZcams. Will is , as I read once, like being handed a hyperactive puppy. Real nice guy to talk to, total sweetheart. When I saw Lorna in concert, this was the encore. They had already played over an hour, including the entire 20 minute "Pain Remains" Trilogy. Even if it isn't your cup of tea, it's amazing to see that much musical skill take place in real time. As to the lyrics, I have only been listening to stuff this heavy for about 4 years, and always have to read the lyrics. Kinda like going to the opera and not understanding the language it's sung in. Have to read the libretto.
Spotify has the instrumental versions of the albums, which i absolutely love. I like wills vocals, but i also like hearing just the music.
Oh if you are a drummer, then you HAVE to see Austin Archey play. He is the beast you hear making all that noise, it will melt your brain.
I did his playthrough of Cursed to Die.
It takes a couple of listens for to understand the lyrics to deathcore songs because each vocalist has a different inflection with their voice but once you figure that out the words make sense.
Yes! Love the reaction! Gotta do Pain Remains Trilogy, emotional and brutal....it really separates Lorna Shore from the other bands in deathcore
Austin (the drummer) does some one take performances. He’s a monster.
Definitely gotta be archspire next, that band is on a whole other level
I didnt understand any words first few times but the more i listen the more words i seem to understand
All of them are good, but Austin, the drummer, is the most superhuman of the people playing instruments here.
He's silly good at precise and fast stuff.
There’s a metalhead inside you dying to get out. It definitely seems like you were vibing to this
It was cool!
I have watched a lot of reactions to this song and this has to be one of my favorites. The facial expressions were killing me.
😂😂😂
Understanding the words is a process lol I've been listening to stuff like this for 15 years and sometimes you can figure it out. The thing is with each vocalist, they have their own unique cadence and influxes on top of their own lyric writing styles. Once you kinda figure that out, you can start picking words out more and more. Then you move to the next band and start that all over lol
Definitely don't understand the majority of the lyrics at first listen, but if you listen again, along with the lyrics, you'll hear a lot of the lyrics. The drummer Austin Archey is insanely talented. He does his own one take playthroughs where you can see a lot better what he's doing. And it's almost like he's playing with his eyes closed. He's so relaxed playing this crazy stuff. The Pain Remains trilogy is on a whole other level. Have you ever wondered if Deathcore can be emotional, check it out.
For your question about understanding the lyrics, it’s a bit of both. I can understand the lyrics better than someone who doesn’t listen to this kind of music regularly, but I’ll still need to look up the lyrics most of the time to catch everything.
There are Austin Archey drum cam features by Meinl Cymbals. You need to see one, maybe this one if available. They are amazing as is Austin.
When listening to music I think the lyrics are the least important part, I already loved music before learning a second language, when I watch K-dramas and the OST comes up I still cry.
I understand 80-90% of the lyrics from most harsh vocalists, but I have been listening to all genres of metal since the 90's. It's like a dialect, you have to pick up the speed, cadence and patterns and then it becomes fairly clear. Will Ramos(and others) does just make brutal sound sometimes, he does it like 3-4 times in this song, but most of this is as clear as if I was reading it.
Interesting
I highly recommend to watch Wills one take vocal playthroughs. Impressive as hell!
Cursed To Die and Trilogy of course...Good reaaction. Thank You
As a drummer you want to watch the Austin Archey videos from Meinl Cymbals. To Fokus more on Wills great screm/growl technique you want to watch his one-take performance of this song.
Will Ramos and Elizabeth from the Charismatic Voice are not related, she first met him when she interviewed him in 2021. In that interview she asked if he would be willing to have a small camera down his throat to see what is going on when he screams and he said yes. Which started a great friendship between the two.
Based on something Elizabeth’s husband has said there will be another video similar to the throat camera video coming out in May on her channel.
I don’t understand the words unless I watch lyric videos a few times. After I watch them then I understand what he is saying. I understand about 90% of this song.
Austin the drummer does use triggers.
The song about the process of dying and going to hell.
As for what’s next, Of the Abyss and And I Return to Nothingness are also on the same EP as this song or the Pain Remains trilogy ( bring tissues. If you are sensitive to depictions of suicide you might want to watch the band play through instead if f the official music videos).
Will Ramos voice is so melodic🔥🔥🔥🔥
Im gonna say, i can probably pick up 70-80% of the lyrical content before having to look up lyrics, but some bands are harder than some, i feel like Will articulates his vocals really well and makes it alot easier! :)
For me the lyrics are secondary. As someone with deep anxiety and heavy anger issues the screaming resonates with me. I love listening to my anger and frustration being depicted through the vocals.
I think after a while of listening to this kinda music, you sort of guess the cadence at which they'd say the words based on the song. After a while you know what sounds they'd use to pronounce words because it isn't spoken normally. You can speed the process up by looking at the lyrics though, once you do you can't NOT hear what's being said.