Orchestral Programming: Day Three

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  • čas přidán 16. 09. 2019
  • Christian is back to show us how to prepare for an orchestral recording session, covering everything from notating your arrangement to preparing click tracks.
    To access 100's of hours of composing tutorials, tips and tricks, check out www.spitfireaudio.com/academy
    #SpitfireAudio #InspireAGenerationOfComposers
    Christian's book recommendations:
    'The Study of Orchestration' by Samuel Adler:
    blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/pro...
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    'Orchestration' by Walter Piston
    blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/pro...
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Komentáře • 127

  • @rodrigororiz77
    @rodrigororiz77 Před 3 lety +46

    We need day four, for the live recording, and day five, for mixing, in the case the composer has to mix himself the track, often the case with low budget projects. Thank you Christian for this series, really, really good.

  • @TerenceKearns
    @TerenceKearns Před 4 lety +38

    So there's no day four (recording) :(
    Hey this series was great. Thanks so much.

  • @MarvinXOnline
    @MarvinXOnline Před 4 lety +14

    I wasn't even looking for this originally. I think I was exploring some tutorial on Abelton's site when it triggered an ongoing interest in digital orchestral creation - specifically an interest in the technical aspects of phrasing within any given DAW - when a Google search led me to Day One of this series. Mate, am I ever so grateful for that occasional happy accident, and for your particular treatment of the subject. My ultimate interest is in scoring my own music for a certain film series I'd like to make. Words can't describe how inspiring this was. Thank you!

    • @TalmoTheSell
      @TalmoTheSell Před 3 lety +1

      "There are no accidents." -Master Oogway

  • @Gage647
    @Gage647 Před 4 lety +10

    Fantastic video. So rich in info and insight. Very helpful. Now finish the series with Orchestral Programming Day 4 and do the live session with the musicians. PLEASE.. For those of us intimidated by that last "real" step. Getting that live player in for the first time is duanting . You are a marvelous teacher Christian, Thank you and keep it up.

  • @disvillage
    @disvillage Před 3 lety +4

    After years of being an orchestral French Horn player, I wish I could download all of those years of experience to you. But, the manner in which you go about this is awesome. Also, look at the way Ravel orchestrated his bolero music to mimic pipe organ harmonics. Also, the silence is just as part of music as the non-silence. Take the entrance to Beethoven’s symphony no.5.

  • @MehulPandit
    @MehulPandit Před 4 lety +7

    These videos are simply fantastic. I myself studied in a conservatory but it was all bookish knowledge. All that he is teaching here in these videos are so practical things. He makes it so simple. Please keep making such videos Christian and Spitfire!

  • @waynemiller6070
    @waynemiller6070 Před 4 lety +4

    It seems with a tight budget, these instrument suites with the right person at the helm could be quite believably convincing that an actual orchestra performed the piece. Christian, as much attention as you pay to the details of how instruments are played, I feel confident in saying that you have probably done that very thing. However, getting the score printed and hearing an actual orchestra perform your work must be quite exhilarating. Speaking of details, thank you so much for putting so many into this valuable series.

  • @PhilipValdesMusic
    @PhilipValdesMusic Před 4 lety +62

    I have my first session with a real player in a few weeks, this was sooooo helpful and made me much less nervous about it. Thank you!

    • @MrMusic238
      @MrMusic238 Před 4 lety +3

      Good luck!

    • @zacg2953
      @zacg2953 Před 3 lety +3

      how did it go?

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      @fisherjakob216 Před 2 lety

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      I was dumb forgot the password. I would appreciate any help you can offer me.

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      @tannerkannon2535 Před 2 lety

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      @fisherjakob216 Před 2 lety

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      Takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

  • @georgemickel6608
    @georgemickel6608 Před 4 lety

    Invaluable! Thank you Christian

  • @42King
    @42King Před 4 lety +7

    These videos were so helpful and inspiring. I’ve played in rock bands for 15+ years. And produced and mixed rock as well. I got an opportunity to possibly score a feature. I built some sample scores around the look book of the film (as it’s not cut yet) and I’ve gotten nothing but positive feedback from the director so far. And one of the pieces is being used to build some of the edits. these videos were a massive confidence booster and mental help. I have A LOT to learn. But Leaning into it all.

  • @jadonharper1493
    @jadonharper1493 Před 4 lety

    This has been a fantastic series! Thank you.

  • @AlanJunior1
    @AlanJunior1 Před 4 lety +19

    Thank you so much for this videos!!!

  • @byroncole6106
    @byroncole6106 Před 4 lety

    Awesome! Thanks for this update!

  • @Shrooblord
    @Shrooblord Před 3 lety +3

    Great series, thanks! There were a lot of bits and bobs I think people of any skill level could pick up on. Your presentation style is beast -- I almost feel like I'm watching a documentary on the BBC. Good production value for sure.

  • @rockguitarpower
    @rockguitarpower Před 4 lety

    That was great! Super helpful. Loving this series!

  • @Victor48323
    @Victor48323 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for your videos. I love them! Please do not stop. I need “more days” of your videos to come!

  • @silversulu
    @silversulu Před 4 lety

    A most excellent series, CH.

  • @lalathings
    @lalathings Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks a lot for this ! Will be glad to hear the result with the two musicians :)

  • @dromerboi
    @dromerboi Před 4 lety +1

    You're incredible, thanks for sharing!

  • @smiggy1968
    @smiggy1968 Před 4 lety

    Fascinating stuff Christian. Thank you for the insight.

  • @AndreasvanHaren
    @AndreasvanHaren Před 4 lety

    Thanks again for a great video, Christian!

  • @GraemeWoller
    @GraemeWoller Před 4 lety

    Brilliant series, and I've learned a lot! Thanks for the time and work you've put into this. :)

  • @renevanderbruggen731
    @renevanderbruggen731 Před 4 lety

    Thanks a lot for sharing your way of working !

  • @RichardBoyer
    @RichardBoyer Před 4 lety

    Thank you for your generosity

  • @silviodiego22
    @silviodiego22 Před 4 lety +2

    What a wonderful job! Thanks for sharing your knowledge! I'm impressed with the quality of the information you've passed! So easy to understand and absorb! Absolutely amazing! Thanks!

  • @WillWilson
    @WillWilson Před 4 lety

    Such a useful and insightful video Christian, thanks for taking the time to take us through this process. Looking forward to Day 4. Bought the Walton Piston book before Christmas based on a recommendation from your own Channel. Super useful resource to have on your desk!

  • @Yiorgos.Magoulas
    @Yiorgos.Magoulas Před 4 lety

    Fantastic tutorials all of them. Thank you!!!

  • @angelogarcia1980
    @angelogarcia1980 Před 2 lety

    Thank you Christian

  • @joshgiesbrecht
    @joshgiesbrecht Před rokem

    Aw I wanted to see the live session so badly! Such a fantastic series, learned so much.

  • @mogopolo
    @mogopolo Před 4 lety

    Thank you so much for this... keep posting pleeeaase!!!

  • @chrisgorman
    @chrisgorman Před 4 lety

    Thanks again for such great content, Christian! Really useful advice, really well delivered. You're truly demystifying lots of apparently daunting things and it's a huge help for folk like me with no real tutored background in the field.

  • @Frank.Zimmermann
    @Frank.Zimmermann Před 4 lety +3

    Hello Christian, Thank you ever so much for this excellent series, I enjoyed every minute of it, and it was marvellously presented! For me as a beginner in composing for media this was so exciting and inspiring. I'm looking forward to seeing/hearing more tutorials from you. :-) Cheers Christian, and best wishes from Berlin!

  • @antkn33
    @antkn33 Před 3 lety

    Great stuff! Thanks!!

  • @martinkvassaykubik2462

    Moc se mi to líbí a ta hudba je nádherná. Jsi moc šikovný, děkuji ti.

  • @patrickrako
    @patrickrako Před 4 lety

    You're an example to me. Thank you very much.

  • @zed1122
    @zed1122 Před 4 lety

    Thank you for the video :) I would love to see more of something like your orchestral programming series.

  • @franmalbran
    @franmalbran Před 4 lety +5

    I always wondered how to move from composition to scores (as there are all these "thingies" we do to make samples sound better). I see that there is no way around all that work (other than having a scoring person/team, which sounds beautifully dreamy).
    Waiting for chapter 4 and getting in the studio.
    PS: btw, it's working: I want the whole set of Spitfire's VIs :P.

  • @kirbyspencer
    @kirbyspencer Před 4 lety

    Another nice tutorial video on the very basics of prepping for live players - which we should all be doing more of. As a side note, the Adler book is great and a staple among most orchestrators. It'll last a lifetime so its worth the price.

  • @officialgranbymusic
    @officialgranbymusic Před 3 lety

    Great informative video Trilogy.

  • @claudep.1926
    @claudep.1926 Před 4 lety +5

    The SSO and Chamber Strings sound absolutely gorgeous... my BBCSO urge dropped quite a bit after watching this video. Thank you!

  • @tb-303devilfish8
    @tb-303devilfish8 Před 4 lety +2

    Thank you for this series. I have just begun orchestral programming after years of believing I would fail if I tried, thankfully I haven’t failed and I have much more confidence after watching these videos. Great work!

  • @jimsanger
    @jimsanger Před 4 lety +2

    Great video, I'll bookmark it and hope to use this in the future if I'find the right project

  • @chris_wicksteed
    @chris_wicksteed Před 4 lety +2

    Love all the info on how to prepare for working with fleshly musicians. Something you don't see discussed in other places so much.

  • @CharlesHarrisonMusicTuition

    Sorry to have missed the premier; many thanks as always!

  • @craigaycock505
    @craigaycock505 Před 4 lety

    Great advice. Thanks!

  • @RhonVanErman
    @RhonVanErman Před 4 lety

    Fantastic, thank you!

  • @em-dashman4404
    @em-dashman4404 Před 4 lety

    What a great series. I’ve literally just dipped my toes into this world, and am thinking I might go get my trunks and dive in 😎

  • @MichaelGodwinCCP
    @MichaelGodwinCCP Před 4 lety +1

    I haven't watched this one yet!....But thank you so much for these videos....Some of the best teaching Ive seen online for these techniques......!!!

  • @adirondackcomposer
    @adirondackcomposer Před 2 lety

    Thank You so much.

  • @arpanmahida
    @arpanmahida Před 3 lety

    Thank you so much for this. Great tutorial.

  • @dafingaz
    @dafingaz Před 4 lety +1

    Great stuff!

  • @gastonduroc201
    @gastonduroc201 Před 2 lety

    Almost a miracle for an instructional video from the Spitfire site: We can see here from time to time the score editor of Logic pro X in action! It changes us from the ubiquitous piano roll. So thank you for "these moments of grace".
    Thank you also for all the quality videos already made (but without the shadow of a single score).
    PS: We can manage with Logic's score editor almost everything that we can manage with the piano roll ... but shh ... let it stay between us.

  • @maldigar
    @maldigar Před rokem

    Thank you.

  • @MrLaggsy
    @MrLaggsy Před 3 lety

    Looking forward to Day 4. Thanks

  • @yourmovieshow9522
    @yourmovieshow9522 Před 3 lety

    Hey sir this series amazing thank you so much ☺

  • @LorneMacDougall
    @LorneMacDougall Před 4 lety +2

    Thank you - another great video, and now I feel like it's been a cliffhanger leading us into Day 4!

  • @tronkiechannel
    @tronkiechannel Před 4 lety +3

    Is there any way I can repay you for putting out this content. I feel so alive, inspired, encouraged and supported when I watch these videos.

  • @AlekVila
    @AlekVila Před 3 lety

    I was unaware of the term normalizing MIDI so I did a Google search and found Normalize Region Parameters. Reading about what it does, I think this is what you meant. Just sharing in case someone finds it helpful. What a great series. Like the others, I would like a Part 4!

  • @micksworldofdrums
    @micksworldofdrums Před 2 lety

    Absolutely love this series and your presentation style; you're so clear and easy to understand, even as a beginner. I used it as a tutorial (which I followed step by step) to get me started. Thank you for making it. Got me started/hooked on my path to media composition 6 months ago and I'm loving the journey.
    Have you released a complete version of the tune you walked through? I noticed you used it for the Earth EDNA walkthrough, which sounded amazing!!

  • @RobertAnthony86
    @RobertAnthony86 Před 4 lety

    Amazing.

  • @timethymccroff
    @timethymccroff Před 4 lety

    please make more of the cinematic music videos !! I would eat it :)

  • @cornodk
    @cornodk Před 4 lety +2

    Regarding spacing above/below staves... please treat them as you would write lines in a book - don't space them out evenly on the page, creating big gaps between the staves. It is much easier for musicians to read the music, if they spaces between the staves are smaller rather than larger. Off course having the readability of the individual staves in mind as well.

    • @cornodk
      @cornodk Před 4 lety

      Hi @@pete3816. Having worked professionally as a music engraver myself. With experience in composition, arrangement and transcriptions for both orchestras and wind bands too, I believe I might be able to provide some advice on this topic here.
      Have you considered the advice I gave here or are you just reacting to the fact that advice is given? Do you believe it is a good idea to space out the staves on the page or have played music written like that? - If so/yes, why? Please share your experiences.

  • @markusfaerber2854
    @markusfaerber2854 Před 4 lety

    another one PLS!

  • @myszek512__6
    @myszek512__6 Před 4 lety +3

    Fantastic series. One point.... what about percussion? Especially chromatic percussion?
    I played bells & timpani in school so I'm more attentive to them.

  • @marksadventures3889
    @marksadventures3889 Před 4 lety +1

    Greatly explained, I like the click and may nick that. It's true about the 1 count I'm not into that, it's very off-putting in places.

  • @rubenmolino1480
    @rubenmolino1480 Před 4 lety +4

    you could show how to work from a score of a string or wind quartet ... even if it is something short of 20 measures ..... and how to work with the different joints in the DAW ,,, from a sibelius for example .. ..thanks since now .

  • @alawa215
    @alawa215 Před 2 lety

    merci

  • @Braindrain85
    @Braindrain85 Před 4 lety +1

    20:33 I want to sample that and make a track with it XD ... great video and awesome libraries. If only I could afford them ;)

  • @gorgonoide
    @gorgonoide Před 4 lety +1

    Would like to see the diference between midi and the real instruments of one track of you!

  • @jodagold5481
    @jodagold5481 Před 4 lety

    I'm buying BBC library simply down to these three Vids - I'm gonna be skint for a bit but it's time to bite the bullet x thanks again Christian very much appreciated very helpful indeed

    • @jodagold5481
      @jodagold5481 Před 4 lety

      @@pete3816 yes I did but I appreciated the efforts made in these tutorials... Hence my comment, its good education

  • @PeteCalandra
    @PeteCalandra Před 4 lety +1

    This is excellent. I think another thing to think about is how an instrument sounds in different ranges. There is a G below the staff on the violin that is an open string and also the lowest note on a violin so there is no vibrato on that note so to make it blend with the cellists vibrato is something to be aware of. Also the open string might have a different spicatto sound than the cello does. Learning these things ( which one would after a session with live players) is really important.

    • @ClaudeWernerMusic
      @ClaudeWernerMusic Před 4 lety

      You can do a vibrato on an open string, they do it by waving their left hand...

    • @PeteCalandra
      @PeteCalandra Před 4 lety +1

      Is this snark? If it is, it's not helpful to anyone reading this. If it's serious, one of the top string players in NYC just texted me when i asked him about it (and when he says an octave above he means on an adjacent string):
      "Never heard of that, but I suppose an incredibly subtle effect may be possible. What we ACTUALLY do is finger a note one octave above an open string. Vibrating that finger creates a sympathetic vibration."

    • @ClaudeWernerMusic
      @ClaudeWernerMusic Před 4 lety

      @@PeteCalandra Pete Calandra "Is this snark?" Not at all friend. I'm surprised your friend said that, to me it was demonstrated by a humble school violin teacher from the north of England during a casual conversation. She took the violin out, bowed a low G and with her left thumb still pressed against the neck waved her fingers (like waving a hello). I just asked my flatmate (who's also a violinist) and she said she does it by fingering an octave G on the D string and vibrating that (whilst bowing the low open G of course, not the D).

    • @PeteCalandra
      @PeteCalandra Před 4 lety +1

      @@ClaudeWernerMusic The second method is what my friend said.... I've been playing with string players for decades in NYC and never heard of or saw first method. Even tho, it would still be a different kind of vibrato than having your actually fingers on the string you are playing. Thanks for the info.

  • @stofenn
    @stofenn Před 4 lety +1

    Day 4!!! Day 4!!!

  • @giovannialfano5979
    @giovannialfano5979 Před 4 lety

    I love that the wording is still in italian :-)

  • @neeratron
    @neeratron Před 4 lety +1

    1year on Earth = 1 day on planet Spitfire

  • @leloupstef
    @leloupstef Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the great videos. Like you I write music and songs with a friend that does the lyrics. Like you I have limited musical education, I can follow a score and I'm a decent piano player . Like you the music is in my head demanding to come out. I've been doing this for many years (without your success). And interesting enough I have come to many of the same conclusions and technics as you have over the years . I have also found myself confronted with the same dilemaes as the ones you treat here: eg how do I get the violin part more expressive , sweetish, chocolaty (as you say so exactly). I never could explain to others how I do it. Have you ever read a book on some pshychology aspect. You read what this guy says and you think yeah, yeah, right that's exactly how I feel, why can't I put it in words. Thanks for doing exactly that: put things into words that normally are not explainable in words. All the best. Stephan from France.

  • @EdwinvandenAkker
    @EdwinvandenAkker Před 4 lety +16

    12:26 The _next-next generation_ of people will all refer to books as *paper-websites.* 🤣

  • @marcusdacombe4280
    @marcusdacombe4280 Před 3 lety

    Day 4, Where is day 4? Awesome, accessible stuff, thanks. (Day 4?)

  • @richardlatham3771
    @richardlatham3771 Před 2 lety

    hey Christian, I know I'm a bit behind in seeing this but are you going to do a Day 4, 5

  • @hyeongwonhan4036
    @hyeongwonhan4036 Před 4 lety +1

    Do all the samples sound like they do in the video without mixing?

  • @AndrewCleaton
    @AndrewCleaton Před 4 lety +2

    Quick question... Do you include the 2 bars count in on your scores, making the click bars 1 & 2 with players coming in at b3. Or do the players see their entry at b1 and just listen for the 2 "imaginary" bars of click? Does this make for any confusion between ProTools and printed score - with the engineer mentally having to subtract 2 from every bar number he mentions to the players?

  • @marsnwalker4271
    @marsnwalker4271 Před 4 lety +2

    Hello sir can you please recreate Arrival to Earth by Steve Jablonsky

  • @billdomb
    @billdomb Před 4 lety

    Surrounded by all sortsa gear. Howzabout a tour sometime?

  • @EdwinvandenAkker
    @EdwinvandenAkker Před 4 lety +1

    I can't find *Day Four*
    Is it not out yet?

  • @jos9573
    @jos9573 Před 4 lety

    Is Logic good (enough) at using the correct accidentals? Or is it one of those things you should definitely double check every time? Thanks Christian!

    • @ninpup
      @ninpup Před 4 lety

      I don't have logic, but having heard from friends and worked in it a little bit I think it's definitely better to check every time.

  • @brianmendenhall5157
    @brianmendenhall5157 Před 4 lety

    Does anyone see the Agatha Christie folder on the Spitfire Desktop? Another focused sound library like Bernard Hermann? Wishful thinking.

  • @tonybrown7408
    @tonybrown7408 Před 4 lety

    All the way through my brain is shouting 'Why a Bars Rest for the violin in Bar 9 ...........'

  • @JuergenWedenhin
    @JuergenWedenhin Před 4 lety

    Hi Christian, very cool and excellent videos. Have you the sheet from the final score in pdf Format?thanks, br Jürgen

  • @smokezz9
    @smokezz9 Před 4 lety +2

    Awesome tutorial, Christian. You look like you were caught in pub fight?! :D

  • @TomikJC19
    @TomikJC19 Před 8 měsíci

    Please, what is the shortcut for 7:10. Thank you

  • @waynemiller6070
    @waynemiller6070 Před 4 lety

    A couple of times around 8 minutes you quantized to 8ths and then back to 16ths. I don't understand what quantizing back to 16ths does. If you've quantized to a lower resolution what good is raising the resolution afterwards? Doesn't it essentially remain at 8th note quantization?

  • @tivermusic
    @tivermusic Před 4 lety +2

    I bought „Orchestration“ by Walter Piston for 60€ second hand...

  • @aiyka_music
    @aiyka_music Před 3 lety

    So is everything just panned to centre? Would this be mixed and mastered with additional plugins?

  • @aemcinematiccomposing

    What kind of midi controller is he using for his expression and dynamics?

  • @JamesWilliams-ki7im
    @JamesWilliams-ki7im Před 3 lety

    What DAW is he using? Logic Pro X?

  • @rysbayev
    @rysbayev Před 4 lety

    Where's the final result ?

  • @DiskordiaUKGR
    @DiskordiaUKGR Před 4 lety +1

    where is part 1 and part 2 ?

  • @earthcarmusic
    @earthcarmusic Před 4 lety +1

    So much information in such a short video - "normalise MIDI" - who knew?

  • @cajonaconaquetebotou
    @cajonaconaquetebotou Před 4 lety

    23:40? Psycopho(fun)ny? _Frizzante_ articulation? ;-D

  • @officialbhishanrai
    @officialbhishanrai Před 4 lety

    Hello sir I am bhishan rai from nepal

  • @tej_s9
    @tej_s9 Před 4 lety +1

    I think you spoke a little incorrectly about the phrasing and slurs. The slur should happen on the first two notes instead of the 2 and 3.