"we need a new main pop boy"
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Today we're talking about main pop boys, and the 'quest' for the new one. We'll talk everything from what makes a main pop boy, to current main pop boys like Bruno Mars, the Weeknd, Harry Styles, Ed Sheeran, Justin Bieber and others. We'll also talk about the double standards between pop boys and pop girls, as well as some potential Gen Z pop boys like Lil Nas X and Jungkook.
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Western pop boys became too boring. If feel like they lost most of their audience to male K-Pop idols, who actually give a performance...
and that's why I will stick to Taemin the King of K-Pop....hit after hit and look after look
@@2law2beYES, TAEMIN IS AMAZING!!!
Very true
WAKE IT UPPPP
I'm not that deep into kpop but their male idols can't even be compared to their western counterparts (not to mention the rigorous filtering and training they had to endure at a young age).
14:48 I don't want to be boring, but to clarify: jungkook didn't get anything from american artits' fanbase. it was the opposite, those artists got the boost after collabing with jungkook, for example, latto fisrt 1 hot 100 (beside usher, the collab didn't have any differents on both him and and jungkook). jungkook's popularity as a solo artists is a pure achievement and hard work of his&bts fanbase. it's a misconception that other artists' fame helped him in anyway
Him doing a lot of promotions and working with successful Western pop songwriters and producers were also major factors. If he had put out his own songs with his own Korean lyrics there would have been no major Western mainstream success. The same goes for BTS as a whole, they could fill stadium with their Korean music but not get massive radio play without Dynamite, Butter and My Universe.
@@nehalilisaysare you forgetting standing next too you also topped billboard and the fact that all artist have pay for radio too play their songs that's why even with a song like dynamite compared too others artist on chart as such little radio play, the only reason the song was on chart is because armys love to mass buy songs.
slight disagreement (and I'm ARMY too) but I think there are still people getting introduced to Jungkook through those collaborations, it just isn't at the same scale that ARMY is being introduced to those western artists. +3 listeners is still growth on either side
@@nottherese listeners do come from those western artists, but this has very little effect on jungkook's career. plus most of them come from scooter braun's friends circle and this is nothing to be happy about
@@pew_18k lol jungc0ck supporter ew
Frank Ocean is too busy being mysterious to save us 😔
Yes, I hope he comes back 😔
frank ocean is mid
@@jdg462 No u
i gave this 222 likes
aint he an r&b artist
if Jungkook had more time to do a solo run and consistently put out music he would be THE pop boy
fr… it’s kind of a wicked irony he dropped Golden and then had to go to the military right after
@@naomi.cannibal it's sad that they're probably resuming BTS once all of them come out of military service bc on god all their individual solo work has been better than the last few group drops and it's left me intrigued on what more they all could give separately, particularly jk, j-hope, and taehyung. BTS could always come back whenever and sell out tours on expectation alone but let these men cook a bit by themselves first 😤
These solo artists coming back to for group reunions is annoying. The solo work is very top tier than group work man 😂
Totally agree and if bts jimin did more english songs also will blow.
@@Balianderson5they only went solo because the oldest had to serve the military which is compulsory in Korea, bts aren't on a break or a hiatus technically
Current pop trends say a LOT about what we think about gender. I am so glad you used clips of stars like Bowie and Prince in the beginning because it perfectly illustrates what I mean. A big reason pop draws us in is the aesthetic element (theatrics, as you said): colorful outfits, dramatic performances, expressive vocals, and these are things that are easier for a mainstream audience to digest in women. In some ways, "gender stereotypes" have become even more stifling and suffocating in recent years. It's interesting to me that Bowie and Prince were popular in their time, whereas Harry Styles was ripped apart for wearing a dress. There is an undeniable gendered element to all of this.
yup and even lil nas x has faced so much scrutiny by both the straight and queer communities for his theatrics and persona
Maybe it's because Styles doesn't look good in a dress. I find that his tattoos just turn into dark blobs from a few feet way, and they make his exposed skin look unattractive and blotchy. Generally speaking, this is a problem with most people's tattoos: they aren't placed in a way that allows them to look attractive from more than a few feet away. Maybe you like what you see when you look in the mirror but most people don't see you that closely.
while this is true, we can’t forget that people like bowie & prince did face alot of public scrutiny for how they were but i think bc we are inna age of social media everyone can just put their opinions out there for everyone to see, whilst back then it wasn’t like that, yk. + i think also the reason they just grew on us is bc they were just being themselves plus they had the talent & personality to back that up. imo harry doesnt my give me authentic vibes it just feels like he’s tryna be elton john jr or something ! like it’s one thing to be inspired by someone but it’s another when ur tryna be like them so bad that’s all people really think of you as (a wannabe, a replica, etc) & the thing with lil nas x it’s not even so much of the way he is, i feel like it’s bc of the unnecessary antics he does. like not even fun, back in the day artist type antics (like prince with his buttch33ks out lol) he does those types of antics that is just stupid & it shows that u don’t have the talent to stay relevant
I think the reason why Harry Styles and co are ripped apart for being flamboyant even in today's progressive era, yet Prince and Bowie (at times MJ) were given a pass back in the 80s is bc of the political climate. Back in those days, men in flamboyant clothes were simply seen as quirky artists. But when Harry Styles and Young Thug wore a dress it was seen as agenda-pushing or virtue-signalling.
@@perfectallycromulentwe know it’s not about him looking good or not, WE KNOW let’s stop pretending stuff
Michael Jackson has set the bar super high for the pop boys, it's gonna take a lot of hard work to reach that bar.
But they aren't even tryin tho. You'll never see The Weeknd or Justin dancing like MJ...
Wait Justin was dancing for a bit when he was younger but not as much now that he’s stepped away from the spotlight and has dealt with health issues.
@@enigmaoffc3148The Weeknd doesn't dance he can't dance to save his life.. and Justin? It depends on which Justin you're talking about.. Timberlake or Bieber? I think Timberlake has more moves.. but Bieber also dance especially during his teenage era.. not much now a days after his health issues. I think Bruno Mars is a terrific dancer.
yup
FACTS
Have u seen Jungkook performing live? The man is a total performer, it's true that there are so many great singers, great dancers but only few have both. Jungkook is the total package, he got the Visuals too plus his stage presence is insane. Not too mention his global impact. But still we can always feel the racism
agree
@@ArmantoAlex13 womp womp
@@ArmantoAlex13u ain't getting any praises for jimin here from locals
Go and cry somewhere else u r way too obvious
@@ArmantoAlex13u stan non singer jimid please bfr
@@ArmantoAlex13cry harder lewsr , you & ur fav will remain lewsr . You have no right to say that coz your fav is not even a KOMCA member or main vocalist , he is just a singee having a hard time to sing live byhimself without backtrack. Lol
Jungkook has really good potential, great debut for a 1st project he had to quickly wrap up before enlisting and not much competition when it comes to all-rounders like this... Even when BTS will resume as a group, they've a pretty healthy relationship and always had the freedom to release solo projects so let's see...Lil Nas X, Troye Sivan already have quite a few years in not sure how much more potential growth they'll have or momentum they could gain... even to a Justin, Harry Styles, or Bruno Mars level...
In general, I'm quite nostalgic and not sure if we'll get MJ, Prince, David Bowie scale of pop again in the near future..
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thank you!! imagine a pop history textbook 👀
@@naomi.cannibal I hope someone makes a pop history textbook ngl
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Yes they are. Aside from The Weeknd and Bruno mars, pop girls are carrying it rn
And neither of the two have dropped much of anything recently
@@TurtleStormerthat just adds to my point. I hear hints of them dropping something maybe even this year but nothings come of it
I hope the rumors of a new Bruno album are true (maybe it’s been confirmed lol)
@@naomi.cannibal same! I hope The Weeknd finishes his trilogy too
conan gray?
15:30 Jungkook has wayyyy bigger and stronger fanbase then that of jack or latto, The golden album is kinda targeted to the north American audience and for charts.I believe but Jungkook also has very deep and soulful songs too composed by him, he's just experimenting with his music style.
The way I jumped to this part of the video because I don’t care about Bruno Bieber Malone weekend
Fact
Targeted towards teenage girls ???? I don’t think so lol 😭
@@user-mn5hk7zw6j I'm sorry, lol it sound so stupid gonna edit it out 😭
@@DA-sf3vs i mean whether you care about them or not, Bieber still is the biggest popboy we've had since Michael Jackson. I'm sure Jungkook's fame in the east is insane, stan culture is wild, and he is now known in the west... but the worldwide level of fame Bieber went through in his prime still hasn't been replicated. Bieber fever was a mess.
jungkook is literally bigger than artists he collabed with
that's the truth alright.
@@RekhaSharma-hh1sv in your niche
@@Qkumo-b5z you wish you had that
Spilled.
Yes he is , BUT all his highest chart achievements are ALL AMERICAN COLLAB.
Look at his "NEVER LET GO"
if this song is collaborated with american artists..
Result is not the same.
Its the way how i can identify any weeknd era with just a random photo, i am obsessed with his eras and music, its crazy
Yess! I love when you can show me a pic of the artist and I can say the year it was taken bc that’s how much they commit to the era
im the same with britney spears 🥹
The King👑
Yes Jungkook, a music genius all-rounder with perfect pitch who broke WORLD records, the only bts member respected by fellow arists/idols, local & western musicians, media around the world and even recognized by legends like Diana Ross who compare him to MJ. NAMED by intl. media as NEW POP KING, GLOBAL POP SENSATION, etc.
Its outer disrespect to compare someone like that to Michael Jackson i dont not know who this jungkok is stop milking him out to be great when he is not that music from the group his from is cheesy and insufferable to listen to sorry
I wish conan gray and troye sivan got more recognition!
I just checked out Conan Gray right now, thanks for putting me on fam ❤️👍🏼😊
same :(
Them, Omar Apollo, and Ruel all deserve more attention.
Ik 😔
@@Mila-cq4tnwatch his national anthem live 🥰🥰🥰
As an army of 6 years, I've seen Jungkook's popularity grow exponentially, and he definitely is the main pop boy of this generation whether people like to hear it or not. Jungkook isn't simply the main vocalist of BTS. His range, his voice color, his skills are literally unmatched. I'm pretty sure everyone who's only heard golden and has not followed the boys through their journey can't make the difference, but Jungkook has ALWAYS had that main popstar energy about him.
@WhereMyHug I don't think he is unknown internationally. Jungkook is the global ambassador of Calvin Klein, and the brand actually gained more popularity after his ads. Play seven,3d or snty for someone and they'll probably say they've heard it. He topped billboard hot 100 and he promoted heavily in the US. Literally had a surprise concert in times Square and so many people showed up
@@WhereMyHug when you say "not know internationally" and then follow it up with "in the west", you lose all credibility. He's super well known in Asia, as well as South America. And if you were to ask someone from the west, I'd be more inclined to say they would recognize him, he was everywhere last year.
@@WhereMyHug but isn't most of the west online? Most people have social media don't they? I don't think it's as uncommon as you think it is to know who Jungkook is.
@@WhereMyHugwhat kind of “internationally he’s not known” world you’re referring? I’m from Eastern Europe and millions know who Jungkook is (even aside from BTS). And I’m not even mentioning Asia, Africa and LATAM. Maybe English speaking countries are slow and it’s understandable since they’re very xenophobic and racist.
@@WhereMyHugI’m from the west n yes he’s well know his songs are played evrywhere
i legit think that those that complain about wanting more male "pop stars" only want white ones... you've got jungkook giving all the elements of a pop boy with his album golden and his mvs yet people will collectively ignore that. i also see potential for josh levi too.
@@ArmantoAlex13 not solo stans trying to claim jk as untalented. please just leave us alone
@@totallyawesomedrama Certainly not main pop boy….thanks for checking in though, JK solo stan.
@ArmantoAlex13 calling me a solo stan when you just have a jimin pfp who, mind you jk and him are part of the same group, and are insulting the other and hating on him when any single one of the members would hate you for doing so. don't know what your issue is but it's ot7 or it's nothing. have a good one
@@totallyawesomedrama Bang didn’t even have the balls to submit Jimin’s #1BB song, Like crazy, for nomination to the Grammys! Why? He submitted other member’s songs that didn’t even get within top 50. I’ll tell you why, because Bang only has one member in mind for solo global success, JK, despite the fact that only his voice is a standout (though a big voice isn’t exactly exciting anymore); he’s not main pop boy material, never has been. Jimin has outshined him many times over…so Bang is keeping him down. It’s not just my opinion - it’s millions of other fans’ opinion.
@@ArmantoAlex13 You don't have the right to speak on jk when you stan someone who can't sing live and embarassed BTS all the time that even the company have to come forward and take down his singing videos from the internet
The Weeknd is the only mainstream male artist who is killing it on the level of the girls. Each one of his eras feels distinct and cohesive and he fully commits to serving incredible visuals and interesting concepts when it comes to his album themes. After Hours era remains the most flawless rollout in recent memory.
agreed!!
Speaking straight facts, The Weeknd is carrying the pop boys right now
Bruno mars also
@@jlee902I feel like Bruno Mars is an outstanding singer, dancer and instrumentalist, but he lacks a bit when it comes to bringing up a unique concept of theme for his projects and create unique visual aesthetics for his live performances. He's still fantastic, that's for sure, but he doesn't feel as an eccentric. Does he make good music and is a phenomenal performer? Still yes, but I do wish he just put a little bit more spice to his art.
@@KnotPhound did you miss the Silk Sonic era?
I feel like some of the main pop boys that we've been having since 2010s like Ed Sheeran, The Weeknd, Harry Styles or Bruno Mars just happen to be so talented to the point that most of the newer crop of male pop artists just fail to impress in the same way due to the lack of the same chops or recognisable persona.
Jungkook will always remain the main pop boy… if there was no xenophobia and racism existed, y’all would really agree why he is named one…
you can’t disagree that he ain’t one cuz his song legit reached a billion streams on Spotify in 108 days… and his debut album did better than random albums released by some pop artists from the west…
He can sing, dance, do adlibs, vocal arrangements. Can perform so well can yall can see how his vocals are so stable.
He also did well in the bb charts by getting no.1 for seven, no.5 for 3D and Standing Next to You…
Golden is an amazing album which talks about various stages of love and him being a true hopeless romantic chose this theme and went with it. You can always search for his performances, dances and remixes to see… he is undoubtedly incredible…
I just hope yall understand why he is called the main pop boy… he is a true fan of pop, you can see from his previous song covers, recommendations in interviews and his karaoke lives too before he debuted solo. He does love pop more but he is also interested in covering his favorite genres and new ones which he said himself in his recording film for seven.
His recording diary for his album will also release soon and you can then understand how much of a backbone he is to BTS.
Just here to say he is an amazing artist and his music has always been top notch. Let it be his solo work - his recent release callled “never let go” or his previous releases like his singles and fan songs 🥹!
You will never be disappointed if you check out his ability to perform. He has always been a born performer and singer… his hard work, passion and dedication is the best thing I’ve ever seen. His attitude towards his work is so positive and inspirational. He loves his Armys so much that he has dedicated and even written many songs for us !
Don’t forget to check out golden ! A masterpiece for real.
I will only be happy if he gets recognized for his hard work and talent 💜🫶🏻
Exactly 💯💯
@@gowric5986 true
THIS!!!! 💯💯💯
EXACTLY 💯
Thank you
Jungkook ate he has it all. Not just a boring singer that walks around the stage. His voice, looks, dance, charisma … he’s the one !
It's not about boring .
It's about he has plus point of Performing and ability to capture the audience with only singing or dancing or Doing both.
@@KattLovesLife i cant sing the weeknd is better yall fans are so delusional its scary 😂😂
Nope lmaooo 😂😂 will never happen. He can stay big in Asian, but the rest of the world is just not ready for that visual 😂😂😂 🍙
@@xandercrew6088 better then yours n all that on the list
@@xandercrew6088 but funny how he’s already big globally that’s why he’s being mentioned. Think before u talk .
Jungkook has all the qualities that make a main boy. Vocals, can dance, looks, stage presence. Look forward to a lot more from him when he gets back from the military
Yes for Asian countries 😂😂😂
JUNGKOOK is Main Pop... He is great singer, dancer, performer,Producer. A whole package
👍💜💜💜
Lmfaooo 😂😂😂 maybe in Asia 😂😂😂
@@xandercrew6088 World wide
Im gonna be honest if jungkook spoke english or made English songs he would be widley acknowledge as one of the main pop boy's but cause hes kpop and in a group hes not given that title. I think golden proved that he could be tho
It's so strange to me that even though Golden was a fully English album created with western songwriters and producers it's still heavily promoted as kpop. And that is why I have such mixed emotions about the kpop categorization of music.
@@crystalsnow1138oh true, this is the same as like black women being automatically labelled as RNB.
but sidenote, isn’t his album published by Hybe? So it would make sense why his album would be categorized as kpop.
@@WhereMyHug just to butt in, his album being published by hybe shouldn't make it kpop. It was fully in English, written by western producers and writers, promoted primarily in the US. Also, Hybe doesn't solely work with kpop artists, they have Japanese and American labels, alon with other ventures. If we use your logic, wouldn't that make Ariana Grande's and Justin Bieber's music kpop?
Jungkook is already named by intl. media like BBC FORBES fox GMA NME ROLLINGSTONE, etc. as NEW POP KING, A GLOBAL POP SENSATION, CROWNED POP KING, etc.
@@crystalsnow1138it sung by a kpop idol not american
Jungkook is definitely the strongest contestant. He has everything that's needed to be the main pop boy. But I have to say, he could have delayed his enlistment but he chose to go cause BTS is his priority. So when he comes back it will take a while until he releases his second solo album.
True, Jungkook literally have all the criteria - even more. His live vocals, visuals, dance & charisma on stage is just out of this World. I'm not a Kpop fan but JK literally got me gagged with his solo performance.
@@user-gs9ep3wh7tdon't worry most army's aren't kpop fans
Jungook is the best in this list period
@@user-nh5iz8xu7y you mean they only stan bts?? right
@@Kivlyn.07 That's more or less what they mean, yes. To be more nuanced, many of BTS's fandom are lovers of music. Kpop is not really an ideal industry for a music lover. Korean idols look good, often sound good, can usually dance good, but what's most important to a music lover? Right, the music. And that's where most of kpop falls flat. You look at the lyrics, gibberish and/or meaningless. And most idols are just performers, they aren't involved in the creation of music. BTS is a full package, there's depth to their musical ocean. It's a great place for a music lover to dive deep into, like a whale. Whalien 52... sorry, hazard of an ARMY. 😅
One thing I am wondering is how come there are barely any black pop idols now and days 🤔
Right, and they usually get classed as r&b
Black = R&B
Usher could have Metallica handle all the music on his next album and it would still be an R&B album.
@kieroncampion120 jokes aside I would be so seated for an Usher rock/metal album
@@krilldion Same
Also, sometimes I think some black artists feel like they're "selling out" when they go a more pop route
Ok, this opinion is coming from a Cis Het male who loves listening to pop music in any form. Women have dominated pop music since the mid-80s, which is a great thing. Pop was rarely a genre for male musicians to shine in anyway. There could be various reasons for this.
From my POV, men usually have a lower range in terms of singing. And, in Pop music, high/tenor voices work better. So, men suffer from that. The few male pop artists that are thriving have high/tenor voices.
If you pay attention to the rock/metal genre, it's usually males who dominate in that space, because it's heavier. And, it suits male voices better. Now, many female artists thrive there as well. However, for the longest time, it's been male artists most of the time. Even the biggest male pop artists in the 80s were rock musicians.
It's only since the late 90s that more male artists began breaking into that "synth/synthetic beats" driven music genre. Name 10 solo male pop artists that were huge in the 90s. Hard to name.
It's only since the early 2000s that male pop artists started really taking off, for eg., Usher and Justin Timberlake. That's just how it's been. Most importantly, it's great that women dominate pop music because, in other genres, it has been tougher for them due to sexism and various other reasons.
How old are you? Are you sent from the Devil to hurt me?
@@antoineisconnected How old are you and did the devil send you to annoy me?
@@anubhavsingha1090 Alright alright...🤔🫡well played...
Agreed. Some good female metal vocalists out there. Even some women with a not-so-heavy voice like the Nightwish ladies or Evangelica have been successful.
Jeon Jungkook is the main pop boy and he 100% is NOT boring?
By talent, by numbers, by global relevance, by popularity....like how is he even with the others though?
He literally can’t open hiseyes
Jungkook as solo artist yess the main pop boy 🔥
Just a reminder Jungkook did not have to enlist in the military last year. He had years before he technically had to enlist. He chose to enlist so soon after his album release because the other members of BTS were all going to enlist around the same time so they could all come back together for their 12th anniversary next year. The fact he basically sacrificed extended solo promotions all to serve his country and for BTS to come back sooner just shows how much he loves being a member of BTS. I know he wants to be a huge pop solo star too, but I really hope he can manage to do both if that's what he wants to do. The same goes for all of the members of BTS because all 7 members are talented as soloists too.
And I was really hoping he was gonna go on tour like Yoongi did last year. But oh well.
@@GenF91 A solo tour will probably happen someday, but a BTS tour will definitely be first. I wonder if they will incorporate their solo songs in their next tour or not.
Jungkook is just so unselfish
I thinks this is lovely. It shows they all truly care about being a group, not just charting or selling music.
@@literaIIyshyfun fact: there were supposed to disband in 2017, but gave a finally push all for their fans (the armys).
I think Jungkook is leading when it comes to a performance aspect which I don't see many other artists in specific Western artists who sing, dance, and preform because of this I can 100% see JK making a bigger name for himself in pop in the future
Jungkook will come back soon next year....Wait for him....Mark my words he is gonna conquer music industry again from 2025 onwards as mainstream artist....He is this generation's Main Pop Boy
Yes I am waiting for him 💜💜
You main as a solo?
totally he's gonna conquer the music industry again
He is just relying on American collaborations😂.
I'm pretty sure Jungkook's focus next year will be BTS' music and more than likely a BTS world tour in 2026. But I'm sure he'll continue with more solo music too at some point.
From my perspective, BTS are "main pop boys" already, and have been for a while. I mean, they're insanely popular globally, they chart high in music charts from all countries, they make mainstream music, they are seasoned performers, they've received so many awards even in the west, and have had stadium world tours.
BTS Paved The Way 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
@@emmamcintyre6997 indeed 😎😎😎💜💜💜
Nahh, BTS aren't in the mainstream, unless you're a fan, you won't constantly hear their music cause they live in their own bubble
Even typical Kpop fans don't like them
But since their fan Base is as big as the mainstream, it doesn't matter
@@rafaelsmith5737, and then there's a reason why typical kpop fans don't like them, and the same goes to why most A.R.M.Y. don't like typical kpop bands besides BTS 😆.
@@s_p5321 of course, I completely understand both sides perspective. Both sides claim they are superior & much better than the other.
But I'll stick with BTS, you?
Every time The Weeknd drops an album or anything in particular it’s a moment idk
True he’ll at least try to give us an era/ concept, and I appreciate him for that
We don’t have “pop boys” because audiences view artists as either aspirational or objectifiable. Audiences aren’t willing to invest themselves in artists whose work they can’t contextualize within their own limited experiences/scope. Pop girls can be both aspirational AND objectifiable at the same time. Pop boys cannot (anymore).
Artists who are marketed as aspirational (The Weeknd, Drake, Jack Harlow) do so thru a male lens that indulges a vaguely misogynistic fantasy that is key to mainstream success but functions as a deterrent to the pop base. Which is why most of them aren’t really pop artists but rather rap/hip hop/funk etc artists that occasionally dabble in pop.
Objectifiable pop boys (Shawn Mendes, Bieber, Jungkook) are heavily marketed to teenage girls (and only teenage girls) and their work tends to be seen as douchy and cringy outside of that target demo. They don’t have longevity because that ‘Hey, girl 😏’ schtick starts looking gross and stupid the closer you get to 40 (Justin Timberlake, Adam Levine).
For us to get new pop guys who actually dominate, audiences really need to get over themselves and be open to something outside of their own expectations. And that’s not really the climate in pop music right now
THIS comment right here! 👏🏽
wow your comment makes so much sense. I wonder what will happen to Justin Bieber in this regard
@@greentearain he’s ur garden variety Donny Osmond. He’s going to retire, keep low for 10-20 years then comeback as a born again Christian commentator. One of those “I’m not a regular christian, I’m a cool christian” types, preach on the dangers of stardom…. then he’ll screw that all up by posting something fringe and alt right.
you articulated this perfectly. 100% agreed.
You have a point but I really wish we stop this whole 'teenage girls only' stuff, thats meant to be seen as a way to criticize their work. Yes their fan base may be mostly female, but the likes of Shawn, Justin and Jungkook actually do have male fans as well. Works for the performers like Jungkook, Chris Brown, Usher, etc..
Jungkook is the main pop boy, period
💜💜💜👍
Jungkook is a perfect Pop Star
For Chinese people 😂😂😂
I've never cared for the "pop boys" if I'm being honest. I'm here for the girliess✨
@cosmos.clothing.13😂😂
about boys@cosmos.clothing.13
okay?.... what does that gotta do w the video 😭
That’s because we haven’t ever had an actually good pop boy. I want a male Lady Gaga or something
I'm coming @@dreamscape3901just wait a sec
Just wait for JUNGKOOK aka JK next year.....Mark my words He is going to own music industry again in the coming years like he did in 2023...Seven, 3d, and Golden debut album are just his starting....He described very well in his interviews and Gloden that its his start of Solo career and he wants to be that BIGGEST GIANT GLOBAL POP STAR as his dream.....We trust him and his words...His passion for his solo career is really admirable...
Mark my words The World is going to witness THE JUNGKOOK FEVER & obsession as Main Pop Boy or as Mainstream artists from next year onwards❤❤
Yeah the music industry in China / Asia not in the west 😂😂😂
jungkook has a bright future as a pop icon surely, he has the whole package
he’s handsome, can actually sing live, and has a charming personality that draws large groups of people to him
a perfect recipe of an icon
bruno mars & harry styles are pop icons, idk how many keep ignoring this tbh
I want a male version of PinkPantheress. I want to see more soft boys in pop with that chill soothing sound.
A male version of Dua Lipa would be cool too
I just want more male pop stars that aren't afraid to dance, dress stunningly, and slay!
It didn't do that well but the new Conan Gray album, Found Heaven is the most sonically similar thing a male pop artist has pushed to Dua besides The Weeknd.
He's boring 😴 and doesn't have that "look"
@@jonahstafford7643 Thanks for the recommendation! I'll listen to it!
@@jonahstafford7643 The album is fantastic! I hope he makes more music like this
Yes a male version of PinkPantheress is exactly what we need.
Being a jungkook Stan I can proudly say that he is the most hardworking and most talented artist... And I am very happy that he is getting all success and fame what he deserve.. May god always bless him and may he became more success after his military service ofc along with bts....
Jungkook have potentials cause he sings and has the perfect pitch and he can dance, Diana Ross complimented him, he also have great stage presence you can see that in his live songs and in his performance in dreamers
jungkook will ALWAYS be the main pop boy, no matter how many decades pass by🤷🏽♀️
The reason why a lot of men upcoming pop stars are not succeed especially in this current era is because lack of media/label support compared to the females and kinda lackluster music but mainly the media support in the industry is way more promoted to females than males by far and it’s not just in pop
Jungkook is literally there. People are just racist tbh
No he is just not Great so just stop milking him out to be that
Nothing to do with racism, some people just prefer to be able to look artists in the eyes 🤣🤣🤣🤣👀🍙🍙✌️
Jungkook have those potential,if he get proper timing ..
jungkook really deserves grammy
Yeah a Chinese Grammy not recognization in the west 😂😂😂
Jungkook has broken WORLD records with his debut album & already named by intl. media like BBC FORBES fox GMA NME ROLLINGSTONE, etc. as NEW POP KING, A GLOBAL POP SENSATION, CROWNED POP KING, etc. He's even compared to MJ by Diana Ross, etc.
Jungkook is a perfect Pop Star!!!
I'm really invested in Troye Sivan right now. I think he's approaching the cusp of greater stardom, I think he deserves it. I'd love to see him become the next pop prince of our generation
Honestly he has the pop hits!! I think if Bloom came out a tiny bit later maybe things woulda been dif. I still get giddy when I hear My My My out and about bc it was so good. His EPs are very strong too
@@naomi.cannibalI didn't pay attention until he released Something To Give Each Other, it hooked me immediately, then I went back and delved into his earlier stuff and now I'm like ohhhhh I should've been hyping him for years now 😭
One of the songs he co-wrote was purchased by BTS. Though BTS made some changes, it's a really impressive song. I started to like Troye at that time just because you could really see his talent as a songwriter (and later I saw him as a great singer). The song's called 'Louder Than Bombs'. Definitely worth a listen with English subtitles.
Both Jungkook and Jimin (of BTS) have said they want to do a collab with him and he wants to do one as well. I think a collab song with them all on the record would smash it out of the park.
I see the usual comments from jealous JK antis are here and while it's fine to have an opinion you can't argue with facts. Jungkook is a highly gifted natural born singer and performer with exceptional vocal abilities, genius musicality and perfect pitch. Rolling Stone, producers, critics and vocal coaches everywhere along with some of the greatest artists in the world including Diana Ross, Beyoncé, Chris Martin, Ariana Grande, etc will all disagree with you. At only 26 he hasn't even begun to show the world all of his potential. Jungkook IS THE main pop boy.
I don't think much to Ariana Grande, Beyonce and was never really into Diana Ross either but JungKook clearly extremely good. But then he's had great supportive team around him and a hunger and eagerness to learn and develop.
He is the moment.
All his highest charts achievements are just because if AMERICAN Collaborations.
If "'Never let Go" is collabirated with AMERICAN artists ... the result is not the same.
PERIOD!!
@@mystiqueheart They only difference is the fact those one's got radio play which is score high of the corrupt Billbaord charts rather than physical and digital sales and streams. oh and Billboard openly admit to constantly adjusting how they workout the overall numbers for their charts. If you look at Jungkook's digital, phsyical sales and streams he out stream's and out sells those 'American' artists.
Jungkook will comeback and continue conquering the world and he will be even more big. Time will fly faster than you think.
Jungkook definitely a lot of potential. He has released only one album but it he already had 3 huge hits from his solo debut album n he barely promoted it before leaving for the military. He had the looks, the vocals, he can dance and has huge charisma will help him a lot . Also, him making sure that all his promo were live performances and Diana Ross mentioning him and his songs and how she liked SNTY so much is definitely a huge boost and praise for his career. Also usher said he loved SNTY when he heard it and really wanted to be part to it and that’s how the remix with him came about. Jungkook would have been huge if he continued to promote as he didn’t have to enlist till 2028 but I do hope he can continue his solo career when he comes back
Ngl i got into kpop in 2020 and havent seen current male western artists the same. Most of their performances are boring in my eyes. Jungkook be bussing it down AND singing.
I grew up in the 90's and early 00's and even then i was always more of a fan of divas like Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, or artists like Christina Aguilera, Beyoncé, Britney Spears or artists like Pink, Avril Lavigne, Shakira, Kylie Minogue, Madonna, Shania Twain, Leann Rimes, etc. I never payed the same attention to the boys in music. I mean i was a huge fan of BSB back then like all teenagers love the boysbands, and i still love them, i remember the success of Ricky Martin, Enrique Iglesias, i Love Bruno Mars, Ed Sheeran, James Bay, James Morrison, Jamie Cullum...but it's different.
Pop has always really been a female dominated genre. I think the huge success of artists MJ and Prince, and following that, their direct musical sons (Usher, Bruno Mars, The Weeknd) have been surrounded by female domination
@@tylerhackner9731exactly, i think the same.
Same, I think overall im always gonna be more partial to the girlies, but I remember a time when I was listening to the pop girls and boys kinda equally maybe in the mid 2010s, but since they’ve been kinda boring me
@@naomi.cannibal exactly, i feel the same.
Boys aren't intriguing or attention captivating. What do they bring to the table guys, help me out. I can't think of anything
Luckily, we have Jungkook as main pop boy of our generation.
Sadly, he’s in military now, and we’re counting the day he will discharge.
Jungkook is competent in all aspects as a main pop boy and leading this industry.
We will waiting for JK’s return.
Yeah for Chinese audiences 😂
@@xandercrew6088 I’m not Chinese
@@JKs-nn1lg your taste is .. least it's close enough XD
Jungkook is the MAIN POP BOY without any explaniation needed. Cry a river.
No offense but his songs are boring, nothing really screams main pop boy atm.
@@ateandthrewuponyou5486 Cry a river
@@Mybabyjk I know ur a jungkook d1 meatrider but imo the last main pop boy was like Justin Bieber in the early 2010s.
@@ateandthrewuponyou5486 And ur clearly a hater, so wdgaf
@@ateandthrewuponyou5486I don’t like any of them but Beiber still sounds like his balls haven’t dropped yet
The girlies have always carried pop music throughout the decades. The boys are a bit boring! For me, the last pop boys are Justin Bieber, One Direction, and BTS. I know 1D and BTS are boy groups but they should still be considered! These people i mentioned had their fans in a chokehold-they will literally go to war for their faves. Other guys can sell records….but their impact and influence wasn’t there. 🤷🏻♀️
Maybe the boys work better in groups
@@1Uni7 I think there's some truth to that.
I need Jungkook to go solo, he have so much potential to become global pop star
He doesn't want to leave BTS and fans should respect his decision. He can be a successful soloist and still continue being a member of BTS.
Recently i love Jungkook
it’s insane how jungkook chose to enlist at his peak of becoming a mainstream sensation as a solo artist. he was literally everywhere, dominating every platform, was the talk of the town, be it good or bad. a boy who isn’t even fluent in English came and cleared every male performer on western pop scene. others would try to keep the momentum going as much as possible but jungkook just dropped the bangers, reminded the world what a good male performer looked like and left… he’s the case to be studied :D but i believe his main pop boy era will come back stronger than ever. he’s just too good for it not to.
I seen other bts fans saying he joined the military early so he could come back to BTS as a group, So in not sure.
He is kinda irrelevant in the US compared to others pop artists like olivia, billie or Justin bieber
@@dolphin8766yes he went in early because of bts but they have always been allowed solo release even since their earlier years so even when bts is back he can still release pop albums/songs
@@user-nh5iz8xu7y newsflash. racism exists. but he still IS relevant and the world is not limited to the US.
@@arianalikens5300 I think the blueberry person in their user name was talking to you.
If people weren't racist and xenophobic Jungkook would be included more in the main pop boy conversation 🤷♀️
@@user-vv7hc7kb5o its just irevelant🤣🤣
He can be real big in China / asia lol he doesn’t have to be big in the west and honestly won’t ever be accepted because he just looks sooooo …. Different 🍙🍙🍙✌️
Josh Levi is definitely mainstream pop potential.
THIS
YES!
YESSS. every time this topic is discussed, his name gets brought up. we're getting there slowly but surely
If jungkook focus on his solo stuff more he's gonna get even bigger , but that ain't the case unfortunately
I think he will. 💜💜 His main goal is being a global pop star.
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@@cindy-ty8iq I'm pretty sure his goal is to be a global pop star while also continuing being a member of BTS.
@@cindy-ty8iqlmfaooo “global” nahhhh just Asian countries 😂😂😂
Jungkook would have taken it given the chance
I don’t know more bout this main pop boy title but as someone who grow up listening to many different musics, and after watching who continued to be considered as main pop boy, these days JUNGKOOK is more deserved to be called that. This boy can SING ( important one), can dance, stage presence, he is talented and he is handsome! I know it’s not easy to be accepted more when you’re not from these famous countries ( in musics) but that boy is so TALENTED and Underrated
You miss are HEAVILY and I mean HEAVILY downplaying both BTS' and especially Jungkook's popularity. Because let me tell you right now it was Jungkook who helped Jack and Latto not the other way around. Look at the releases that Jack and Latto released after they did Seven and 3D, look at the charting data, the streams, and the views and come back here and try to tell me with a straight face that you seriously think it was Jungkook who got helped and not the other way around. Jack and Latto do NOT and I mean do NOT have as big of popularity or fanbase that Jungkook does and that's not hating that's a fact. Also, let me tell you Standing Next To You was already big before Usher hopped on it, The remix quite literally didn't do anything with how well SNTY was performing chart wise etc. ARMYS literally focused on the remix for like 2 days before just going right back to the original.
Just to give you an example, Usher's new album titled "COMING HOME" which he added the Standing Next To You Usher remix onto his album, let me show you the difference shall we:
Standing Next To You Usher Remix- 64M Streams (The original aka NON Usher remix ver. has almost 800 Million btw)
The other tracks on the album-
Coming Home- 9M
Good Good- 55M
A-Town Girl- 4M
Cold Blooded- 2M
Kissing Strangers-18M
Keep on Dancin'- 2M
Risk It All-5M
One of them ones- 2M
I'm not doing all the songs because I think you get my point now, but all I'm going to say is that Standing Next To You in no way got popular or did well because Usher was on a remix of it. The Standing Next To You Usher remix is the most streamed and VIEWED song on his new album, I think that should tell you enough.
Like Seven was Latto's first ever #1 on Billboard ever.
And once again just so you get the point here are the streams of the songs that Latto had AFTER Seven
Seven- 1.7B (Fastest song in the WORLD to hit 1B streams)
Releases Latto had after the fact:
Champagne Shit- 1.6M
The Grinch Freestyle-1.3M
Back Outside- 6M
Can't Get Enough-1.8M
Sunday Service-13M
Jungkook just released a song a couple of weeks ago and it already has almost 90M streams and it's not even an actual song it's a fan song that he released for BTS' anniversary, it had no promo, or performances or anything it just got released.
I'm sorry this is long as hell, but I'm petty as shit and feel the need to prove false claims wrong. Anyway, Jungkook is the Main Pop Boy (I don't care what y'all say, I only listen to the opinions of Diana Ross) and BTS are coming back as a full group next year and anyone w/ a problem (Yes, I see y'all in the comments) cry about it.
Agreed 💯💯 can't believe ppl have audacity to even THINK jungkook got famous cuz of western artists, when it's obv other way around.
Most ppl didn't even knew abt latto's existence untill seven came.
Honestly some of y'all act like admitting jungkook received help from western artists is the end of the world, it's hilarious how up in your feels it makes some of you 😂 jk comes from a fandom that's obsessed with gathering streams, of course he will have more streams than the average pop star. But the fact is the artists he collaborated with are established western artists, hence the general public are more likely to already be familiarised with them and not just their fans, which of course helped add to Jk's exposure. It won't kill you to be able to admit that hun.
You are right. I did not know who Latto was or Jack. Jk made them famous outside USA.
Free Jungkook from the Korean military fr!!! I just discovered him in February with his Usher collab and that boy is TALENTED!
Wow that's so nice! Have you tried getting into bts? Jungkook's solo music before Golden (Euphoria, Still with you, Stay Alive) are some good recommendations to start with! His voice in bts' songs is golden as well 🥰
@@warda2739 thank you very much for the recommendation!!
he' not in prison, he willingly went in lol, it was his duty...he and the rest of bts actually needed their rest
He’s served enough.
@@MoonMontag fax!!! he’s an essential worker!
I'll say this Jungkook has the IT factor to be thee main pop boy , ( unfortunately mandatory military service and all) but let's see in 2025/26 I'm sure Jungkook will continue releasing new music, in my opinion Jungkook is the best performing male gen z ( actual performance) he's a good vocalist all he needs is to get out of the military and make music & yes ik BTS will not break up , Bts hv been doing side gigs since forever so he'll just do that ,I'm sure just bcoz ik JK is ambitious
you're so real for adding Jungkook to this talk
I feel like the performance aspect that has been absent in the west still exists, but in kpop. People who want new pop boys who have style and performance and effort put into the visual aspect of things mostly end up going to kpop. That's why I think the most realistic option for next big pop boy is Jungkook, even though he and BTS (execpt Jin who is already back) are on military leave right now. BTS just doesn't have any competition and honestly I can't see them gaining any real threats any time soon.
idk about yall but the weeknd for me is the only pop boy I'll need and the only reason yall don't consider him is because he doesn't dance and maybe his music isn't lover boy enough like the past pop boys. Jungkook is literally RIGHT there trained dancer vocalist and can rap here and there but ofc yall want a WHITE pop boy it seems. I h8 when artists are willing to branch out but be put right back into their previous box people held them to. Which is why you see black artists no matter what sound they enter be labelled as rnb and hip hop. This might be the case of both Weeknd and jungkook. Weeknd left that rnb haunted strip club music behind he IS the best selling male POP artist of today but keeps being boxed into rnb and well jungkook.. They're already boxing him into kpop. Another one to note was Bruno mars but yall blew it smh
It kind of angers me a bit when Jungkook is automatically put in kpop categories solely because he's Korean. His solo songs have been fully English and were made by western songwriters and producers. If Justin Bieber's voice had been swapped out for Jungkook's on Golden, it wouldn't be labeled as kpop.
@@crystalsnow1138 I even get pissed off when his golden releases get played on kpop stations. It's in English hence it's not K(orean)-POP. It's rooted in racism because I never saw any artist from a foreign country that makes American pop be labelled as their home country's music. Take rihanna for example. She's from Barbados. Mainstream Pop/Rnb Phenomenon and I've never seen someone say she makes her countrys music. Why? Because it's in English but when jungkook does it, it's labelled as korean pop WHEN IT IS IN ENGLISH . All of this is rooted in racism. About the voice swap stuff you said made me think if an artist like Justin timberlake which made his whole career off of stealing black culture and his sound was mainly rnb. If he was black he would've never been claimed as a pop star because his music was rnb but because he was white they gave him a pass despite him barely making pure pop in his career.
Jungkook is *THE* pop boy right now, he can literally do everything, and do it extremely well. That automatically puts him a step above the rest. Having him being boxed into the kpop category and pushed to the side is killing my soul. Even J-hope if he were more of a singer instead of a rapper, his stage presence is *insane* .
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It's definitely infuriating that a lot of people of color esp black and brown people tend to be pushed into “stereotypical” genres. As you said, jungkook gets put into K-pop and the weeknd gets put into R&B. This happens all around too because sza is a multigrammy award winning artist who is mainstream yet she does not get a “main pop girlie” status. She gets labeled as R&B. Yet someone like Olivia Rodrigo, despite being half Filipina (imo she is white passing, she is half white, so I do think this helps her a lot ), makes pop punk music yet she automatically gets called a pop girl.
Jungkook, but some of y’all get weird when he’s mentioned so..
WE'RE getting weird?? Bby look what y'all turned this comment section into for a 10 seconds mention.
yall have flooded the entire comment section and wonder why some ppl never choose to acknowledge him even though he’s already gotten his achievements 🗿
Yeah he can stay in China 😂
We got JK He is main Pop Boy and
Harry Styles to I don't care for rest,
Weeknd has some good songs here and there but I don't care much for him like I do for Jungkook and Harry Styles if you
want to talk the it Pop Boy, than
I said JK and Harry Styles .
i feel like conan gray has so much potential to be a main pop boy, especially with his new album, but people sleep on him way too much lmao
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And Isaac Dunbar!
people also just love giving him lashigns for no reason. it's quite frustrating when he's the most unproblematic celebrity who is also genuinely talented.
Troye Sivan is the only one making us believe main pop boys can still exist.
Let’s be real, he’s not a MAIN pop boy. MAIN pop people are household names, like ones parents can recognize but may not be invested in. Troye Sivan is not that
@@jlo2715clock it
@@jlo2715 well he went triple platinum in my house 😭
@@whoiskwandathat’s your house. Ain’t no one else bumping him like that.
troye’s literally the only male pop artist i listen to 😭
Jungkook has way more stronger and bigger fanbase than Latto. The difference in streaming numbers of Latto for Seven and her second most streamed song is HUGE.
To put into perspective,
Seven - 1.7Billion Streams (2.5M daily streams)
Latto's entire discography - 3.4 Billion Streams (3.2M daily streams)
It just shows that 80% of Latto's streams on spotify are carried by Seven.
Every collab that Jungkook had with Western artists were benefitted off Jungkook, not the other way around
I feel like to have been considered a “main pop” person and it not have an expiration date would require them to have heights of popularity where they literally dominated for years ie Justin Bieber. Yeah he’s not as central to pop anymore but Bieber fever???? All the labels that tried to come out with their own knock off JB. He’ll always be considered one of the IT boys of pop
Justice for Cody Simpson and Austin Mohone 😂
Right, all the labels was in the lab tryna make their version of JB
@@niableeHEAVY on austin mahone, he’s so talented!
@@naomi.cannibal nobody stood a chance with him around!! Shawn Mendes was the only one able to make it big and even then…
The only male equivalent for teenage girls to obsess over had to be FIVE British men put together 😭
I think the only reason we criticize women more, unfairly just as men are successful without even trying, is because they are more interesting. Lady Gaga, Tate McRae, Sabrina Carpenter, Rihanna, Adele, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Tinashe... They all present something and it's great to see them with different aesthetics, it's unfair that sometimes that's not enough for the public but men don't care. Ask them more than just releasing the song, but that will also hurt them in the future because they don't deliver anything more than boring material. Ed Sheera is the perfect example, hugely successful songs and now he is forgotten because he does not transcend beyond the charts, while Dua Lipa, who suffered at the beginning, gave us one of the best eras of 2020s, Future Nostalgia.
I don't know if I would say Ed Sheeran is forgotten. His world tours are highly successful.
Well idk if Dua suffered at the beginning, I mean her debut album was pretty successful for a debut
But damn man, Future Nostalgia is my favourite album ever, its too good 🤯🔥
idk where you live but Ed Sheeran is still massively popular. He just doesn't do much PR.
@@crystalsnow1138Ed Sheeran doesn’t have a distinct, recognizable era like The Weeknd. This is what make Ed Sheeran easily forgettable
Justin Bieber is not just a pop boy, he was THE pop boy
I think Justin Bieber was the last male pop superstar that we've had in terms of that level of fame. Harry Styles can't compete with Justin when he was at his peak. Bieber fever was a cultural reset. The ones who come the closest to Justin are Drake & The Weeknd but stil not within the same degree. Justin was not necessarily a consistent chart topper like Rihanna or album dominating artist like Adele back in his peak but he was just so damn popular that it's just unbelievable that somebody were not to know his name.
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 drake isn't a pop star
josh levi , conan gray and troy sivan has sm potential to be the main pop boys. justin bieber, shawn mendes, charli puth were all main pop boys imo
josh levi taste
@@andrew-sn2ke u get me🫱🏿🫲🏾
justin - yes
charlie - sorta kinda
shawn - not really
I’m rooting for Josh Levi, his team really should push him more! I feel like all he needs is the right song/album for him to take off
He's rnb tho not pop...
I think Conan Gray has potencial to become a main pop boy if he gets a little more mainstream success. He has the "eras", he has the pen and he likes to experiment with his sound. I hope his next album has a single that catapults him to stardom.
Heavy on this one!
Yeah if he get the dua lipa performance training camp would blow up a lot, not expecting he to be a full blown dancer but how to catch a little bit more main stream veins aesthetics.
Naomi is really the best, no one does this vídeos so well like she does. Deserves all the recognition. ❤
thank you, I love this community we all made 🫶🏾
@@naomi.cannibal shout out to communityyyy! Let's never break this fun community over here.
@@Balianderson5 Neverrr
15:45 that's the thing with bts: for all of them the group activities are the priority while solo career comes as a way to experiment and freshen up their minds. so i don't believe in near future we get to see a rise of solo jungkook
My prediction is that it'll be 2027 before JK drops another solo album and does a tour.
BTS still the top imo but they’re doing military service run but the solo projects have been fire 🤷🏾♀️
Im an army but jk solo is the only one can be popstar alone though im a sope fan but bts members are better together than solo
@@badv9319idk bout yall but jimin, v's solo did pretty good for a pop boy
@@badv9319and the other members are rappers so
@@badv9319 that's such a bad take lol they're spectacular together and as soloists because they're so talented, love music and performing and are just artists through and through
@@user-vv7hc7kb5o suga and rm and j hope are rapstars , Jimin and v and jin are not strong vocally unlike jk
Gen X here, just stumbled on your channel and found this discussion interesting. To me in addition to number 1 hits and catchy music (which can be fleeting), I look at the generational pop boys and pop girls who last as making a cultural imprint beyond music. Among your Gen Z list, I view Jungkook as already being the number 1 Pop Boy in Asia and Europe, but not in the US.
There is baggage - KPOP does have a legacy of cultural appropriation and racism as an industry, and there are ways BTS can be critiqued itself. But, I look at the way Jungkook and BTS seem to be trying to build bridges and overcome this by embracing Black Lives Matter, performing with Usher, and encouraging fans to listen to artists like Alicia Keys. There are obvious barriers for a K-Pop artist; some are not tied to racism (language barriers), but some are (anti-Asian sentiments, which could become rampant again just as they did during COVID-19).
There are cultural ways in which Jungkook could make a difference and an imprint, together with a potential Korean and Asian wave in pop music that may be coming and has already begun. Jungkook appears likely to speak out in the future. I picture him growing into a type of leadership role, very aware of his sense of responsibility. I'm rooting for all on your list too.
Gen X here, when it comes to cultural appropriation African-Americans were taking what they wanted from Asian cultures before KPop existed. Wu-Tang Clan are not Chinese. How many have claimed to be lyrical ninjas, or samurais on the microphones?
@@perfectallycromulent Indeed, appropriation of Asian culture happens too; that's far from new; see the writings of Edward Said on Orientalism. I'm not disputing you in the least here. We should stand against both anti-Black and anti-Asian racism and forms of stereotyping, exotification, and fetishization as is so common in the way Asian cultural traditions get appropriated.
Anti-Asian sentiment (e.g., bigotry) and stereotyping are obstacles to a possible Asian wave in pop music and to Jungkook being the leading male pop voice in the US.
When I speak of artists as having an imprint, this is part of what I mean, Jungkook can help change perceptions and build bridges. He can address racism in the US, Europe, South Korea, and Asia. Look at the way K Pop fans went after white supremacist websites; that's not only because of Jungkook's anti-racist stand, but Jungkook played a role in terms of influence. It's very noteworthy that many K-Pop fans are increasingly politically aware and vocal. It's also noteworthy to look at both musical and political trends among Gen Z not just in the US, but in S. Korea and other parts of Asia, I find it deeply encouraging to look at a rising generation that appears more progressive and anti-racist than mine. On the topic of Jungkook and K-Pop, I can think of quite a few Asian artists today that address issues of racism, LBGTQ rights and personal dignity, and class-based discrimination. See for instance themes in Namwe's (a Malaysian artist) Stranger in the North.
The artists that last and are truly generational make an imprint on the views of their fans. They contribute to lasting trends and changes both in music and society. Jungkook has that opportunity, and I think he will do it (but not alone). Thirty years from now, I think we'll look at Jungkook's career as one that made a difference. And not just because of some catchy songs.
The reason I picture a coming "Asian wave" or "S. Korean wave," at the very least, is because of the quality of the artists that are around now and upcoming. Groups like BTS, Twice, and Black Pink are paving the way, and there is another wave coming of brilliant young artists.
@@perfectallycromulent YOU DONT HAVE A LICK OF READING COMPREHENSION GOOOD GOD.
Wu tang is a dance let’s start there.
“They called themselves ninja and samurai” have you heard of a metaphor?
Samurai - metaphor for being strong
Ninja - metaphor for being sneaky, strong, and cool.
And on another comment someone CLEARY SAYS “Michael Jackson’s invented the MODERN music video” and you reply “NUH UHHH NO HE DIDNT!?!?!”
READ. GET OF YOUR DAMN PHONE BECAUSE DESPITE HAVING TO READ TO RESPOND TO COMMENTS YOUR INCAPABLE OF DOING THAT. GO READ.
YES!!! Ive been saying this for months!!! We have no MJ, JT, or Usher. All the pop boys we have are making sad boy music, not hitting a 8 count and if they are gay the general public discredit/disregard them just because of their sexuality.
Have you listened to Jungkook? Because he literally gave vibes of each artist you mentioned with his singles from Golden and collaborated with JT and Usher on two songs.
When it comes to the gay part I think it's because gay men are seen as "one of the girls" so they aren't main pop boys but more seen as main pop "girls" if you know what I mean
@@inseungwoonamewestan1196 sad
As a dude who's also striving to become an artist, I can't disagree with the appeal of working on sad songs because they somewhat feel more real to you.
Take Weeknd and Linkin Park for example, a lot of their songs feel more personal than most other superficial happy-go-lucky artists out there
WHY IS IT THAT EVERYONE’S LOOKING FOR A MAIN POP BOY ONLY WHEN JUNGKOOK WAS NICKNAMED THE VERY TERM?! LIKE NOT JUST ARMIES, EVEN THE MEDIA AND LOCALS WERE CALLING HIM THAT until stan twt wanted to hop on the ride. NOBODY IS MORE MAIN POP BOY THAN JUNGKOOK HIMSELF
I wonder why Josh Levi is never talked about since he’s basically what everyone’s been asking for
Well, Josh Levi is black and black musicians (and even mixed musicians to some extent) are automatically considered R&B or Rap artists.
@@ayadhyistthis. and he needs to have a song go viral viral and launch him to mainstream. but hey he's always getting brought up when this topic is discussed anywhere online so this is a start
@@ayadhyistThis reminds me of people calling Motivation by Normani R&B
@@msnarcisse845 This tendency to classify black musicians as R&B is why Frank Ocean, SZA, and FKA Twigs are considered “Alternative R&B” when they don’t make R&B music and HAVE STATED THAT frequently.
The way I’ve BEEN saying this!
I think it's also noteworthy that some of the artists who are practically as big as Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande and who also do many artistic things are from genres other than pop. Like think of Typer the Creator. He does indeed to dances, wear flashy clothes and concept visuals but he's primarily a hip hop artist. I think male pop stars were pressured into appealing teen girls to then trying to "man up" because they can't be teen boppy boys forever however, now, people find them boring or sometimes even cringey.
We need a male popstar who has good vocals and kick-ass choreos on stage
Jungkook from BTS is an excellent singer and dancer in my opinion.
@@crystalsnow1138exactly
Well that's literally Jungkook, he is an amazing singer as a whole and has great techniques and on top of it is a great dancer and a performer, perfect package
There you go with Bruno Mars, then. Plus he plays instruments. It'd be cool if we had more like him but were more conceptual.
@@KnotPhound I am aware of BM but I was referring to someone new
We have JK we don’t need a new “pop” boy as he is number 1 in the industry even while being in Military Service at the moment he is still breaking records, sorry but all the other artists are just Meh
Jungkook is already named by intl. media like BBC FORBES fox GMA NME ROLLINGSTONE, etc. as NEW POP KING, A GLOBAL POP SENSATION, CROWNED POP KING, etc.
I think part of the issue is that now people seem to consider "pop music" to be "the music that's most popular." But people like Bowie and Prince, used as examples here, weren't considered pop music in their day. They were rock or r&b, or just Bowie and Prince, singular entities. But the main point is: in the past, music by men was very rarely called "pop." You had to be an a boyband full of white boys to get called pop. The term was mostly code for "a white woman is singing this song" for a long time. If you were a white woman and didn't want that label, like the Go-Gos or Bangles wanting to be considered rock bands, you had to fight it with your music, looks, and interviews, and even then, good luck to you.
Came here to say jimin has no chance of being considered as the pop boy. He needs to retire cuz what is the point of being a singer if you cant sing
You kade that up lmaooo Jimin is a singer through and through with a bery unique vocal and tone. There's a reason why nobody else can cover his part/songs
@@user-vv7hc7kb5o ? Or maybe he really needs vocal lessons ? Heard like crazy live on twt it's horrendous, especially from an idol whose been in the industry for such a long time it's embarrassing, the fact that his fans are babying a grown man is crazy ,Hybe really needs to vocal train their idol more jk is the only good singer in his band
Whoever wrote this comment is just sad, you clearly spend more time hating than loving yourself. You clearly have alot of time on your hands to comment this under a post that is not talking about Jimin. In the 11 years of his career and that 1min clip is all you haters just talk about is kinda sad, clearly Jimin is on yall mind 24/7 and yall just need a reason to hate on him because he got that superstar shine.
@@leapark4281 ? Well not u proving the point,fans babying him to the point any constructive criticism is supposed to be hate ,no one is as miserable as u are sweety u are just encouraging him to strain his voice more, the reason why his voice has reached this point is because of him straining his voice to reach certain vocal range , without proper vocal training he is gonna strain it more and
more
Moreover what's the use of success if it ain't abt the quality
Y'all just accept the bare minimum given
@@leapark4281 oh he's can't sing stop this bs
I see jungkook i click 😋
the pop boy thing also applies to newer kpop boy groups as well as many of them reply on physical sales due to their fandom. On the other hand, hardly of them chart in their home country even with a large international audience.
My favorite male pop artists are Harry Styles, Conan Gray, Shawn Mendes and 5sos (if you want to count them, I will here). I don’t think Shawn was ever cut out for pop stardom, so I’m kind of hoping he goes back to making music soon and it doesn’t have the same generic obvious radio hits he used to put out every year or so. I hope he just makes the more acoustic music he’s always seemed more inclined to. As for becoming a main pop boy, I think Conan Gray could do it. His newest album definitely has a crafted aesthetic that lends itself well to an “era”. I think his music could appeal to a more mainstream audience, and I think he’s already had some viral success on some of his first album songs. I think Luke Hemmings of 5sos has the image, but I don’t think his music has a mainstream enough appeal. And I wouldn’t want him to blow up individually bc I don’t want 5sos to permanently split up.
Hey Naomi, love your videos.
I think one of the biggest reason why we don't have any big male popstars right now is because male artists fan bases are not that active on stan Twitter or in the pop scene.
I am not speaking about all of them, there are obviously exceptions (most notably Harry Styles, Omar Apollo and Troye Sivan for obvious reasons) but I think due to the shift in how the music industry sells music right now in the pop scene. It has become difficult for men to market based on "relatability" to pop audience which is mostly girls and gays.
I do miss male popstars especially those from the early 2000s or the 90s. Maybe tiktok can change the scene as male artist doing viral dances n pop gimmicks will gain more traction but time will tell. (Sorry for bad English, I am not native speaker)
As a gay guy, I think people will love to see campiness, theatrics, good storytelling music concepts, sound evolution, genre bending - something our current male pop stars are too afraid to try
Yep. It's either the "hey girl" personal branding with the acoustic sound. Or idk... Whatever scared straight men sing about
Zayn literally does this but he doesn't really do promo...his latest album has great storytelling
@@missminion0113 I am so happy to see someone mentioning ZAYN
@@uh6138 Zayn is so underrated!