To DI, Or Not To Di, That Is The Question
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
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0:00 Hello
3:41 SC Clean
4:01 MG Clean
4:25 Deluxe Clean
4:44 SM57 Clean
5:02 SC Dist
5:23 MG Dist
5:54 Deluxe Dist
6:15 SM57 Dist
6:43 Dave's Final Thought - Hudba
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Most of will be listening in our phones Dave, I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Go with what you like.👍
Listening to some of your playing 4yrs ago and I was literally getting emotional, nearly to tears it was so soul stirring, it grabbed me deep, simply beautiful man.
The best example I know of DI winning over a mic'd amp is the recording of the rhythm guitar in Pink Floyd's Another Brick In The Wall Part 2 - Dave Gilmour could not get a decent mic'd clean sound. It was Nile Rogers who was working in a studio down the corridor who suggested Dave ran his Strat clean straight into the desk - in this instance DI worked for the better with compression and reverb to suit added later giving a more "even" tone with fewer transients and at a constant level that could not be achieved with a mic'd amp.
As far as a DAW goes there is a lot to be said for recording a DI dry signal and adding amp models, effects etc to taste afterwards.
love this type of video on rigs/tones etc
I'm surprised, actually, that I'm digging the Deluxe the most. I'm far from a Fender guy. But I think it has to do more with your style of playing through it. In person it is probably over the top but it translates very well through my setup that I'm listening through here with some old sony multimedia speakers.
Absolutely
Personally, I've really come round to direct outs through a cab sim recently. The two notes torpedo is what I use and I've never looked back. I still get the analog sound and feel of my amps but it basically ends up sounding the way I want it to without having to basically EQ the snot out of a standard speaker and mic combo. To cut a long story short, I feel like DI and cab sim is the way to get a nice crisp representation of whatever you're showing off but having some sound in the room through a cab for you so you can feel it would be a good combo. That's just me though.
Having spent a huge part of my youth (and later) listening to live bands I can honestly say that nothing sounds as good as live. There is something about music at volume in a venue full of peole that just makes for an amazing sound. Marshall stacks forever !
Volume increases bass frequencies.
But we are judging a recorded sound... not a live sound.
The cleans of that Deluxe 🤤🤤
first one sounded best to me very clear
That was the Super Crush. I agree with you. To my ears, it is out of the SC or the Deluxe Reverb. MG sounded like a blanket was placed over the speaker.
I did really like the Orange D.I'd cos at least there's enough top end to be taken away where as its not something that is even there with the MG or the Fender. Better to have too much in the first place than not have it at all.
Definitely agree with the 57, though. Wins hands down for me too.
Fender clean sound awesome!🙂
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day also a great weekend Dave ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊
Hey Dave, both sounds are amazing!
It's you playing and that's ALWAYS amazing!
Have a good weekend buddy 😊
Each amp got its own personalities • 🤘
D I on my 100watt Boss Katana (use 2 own) didn’t really change anything much because it’s more for recording purposes like thru a laptop to block out outside noises your mic picks up rather than use daily is my understanding about Di’s.
After I tried my DI once I never went back to it because I don’t record anything ( I just play ) and that is what a big mistake I did. ( should’ve recorded oh well)..
If I ever go to recording situations w/laptops or iPad then I go DI all day long to shut off outside noises. My pick • all of them … your mic is perfect.
Definitely prefer the SM57 in all examples. However, If I had to choose between any of the DI's it'd be the Deluxe Reverb.
For me the first one is the best 👍😉
i've always tended to love more "live" sounding recordings and there is something I love about the SM57 alot actually. I little more muffled.. DIing I get lost in effect emulations and a bunch of crap not really playing as much. Sometimes just direct into amp, lil amp reverb and gain, and the SM57
I totally agree with you and that character you talk about is I think it. DI often sounds very generic to me, now I'll say missing some character. 😁
However, I think it depends on the he music you play. I feel that those who play mainly high gain DI is great, but if you're looking for fender break up it's very hard to get that exact sound. I think that's where character really comes into things.
Great vid Dave., 🎸🎸🎸
I dont have even a scratch full of your talent and i cant make up my mind if i want to go di.
I like the idea of having all of the options of di with none of the space requirements, but i really like being able to reach down and just spin the knob on whatever single piece i want to change.
Even finding a combination of settings i like for a given sound and being able to save the settings, trying to remember the names of the settings is sometimes a pia. But, then you add in the extra time and hassle of maintaining tube amps, and that pushes me back to digital.
Loading up a single interface that can be plugged into ANY speaker is appealing, but it doesnt have the same room filling output.
All of this, and even if i do go di, then the hunt starts for which one to choose. Im already worn out and need a nap.
Sorry i couldnt help. Maybe after a good nap and a few adult beverages. Cheers
Recording is a different art form. As Andrew Scheps said, in mixing, "all that matters is what comes out of the speakers". It doesn't matter what fancy gear you use, real outboard gear or plugins, amp or ampsims, DI or mic. I am with you that DI does not feel like the real amp, but when the song is whole, it does not matter at all as long as it did not affect how you played. The final result is more important.
love the presence of the sc clean but also love the 57 on the orange...ideally send both to your DAW/Multitrack and blend and pan the sc on the outer edges of LR and the dirty tone in the center or vice versa....id love to hear that
This sounds like a good idea to try out.
The Marshall with 57 no distortion pedal gets my vote. Always way more flexibility using a mic. Just moving the mic to different places on the cone will give you so many more variations than DI. DI always seems to have a harshness that you can’t get rid of. Also way more dynamics with a mic even when amp is not totally cranked up.
Thanks for the video.
its true, impossible to tell on a lap top all i can say is they all sound good Dave
sure would like to get my hands on that hiwatt . i use to use 3 of them on stage slaved together best amps ever made impossible to find now here in canada
Goldilocks and the -three bears- four samples ...
Clean
1. Being first has the advantage of establishing a benchmark. I think I dont like oranges, but it sounded ok to me.
2. Sounded muffled and blanketed by comparison (though as you say, relativity skews perceptions)
3. Ouch, thats too bright.
4. Comfortable. Not too bright, not too dark. Still prefer #1, but #4 second place.
Distorted
1. Hmm, ok. Doesn't blow me away. A smidge dull.
2. Blanketed again.
3. I like it. It has clarity.
4. Somewhere in-between again. Probably second, with #3 first.
The contrasts between the blanketed and shrill were noticeable as the clips continued. The tonal differences werent subtle or nuanced, in isolation anyway.
But what you hear live in the room is probably also very different from what we hear in the recording playback too.
Deluxe for me. 😊
DI can work amazing. Bass especially, it’s more standard to just use DI. I personally love di so i can record at night or whenever my roommate is screaming at fortnite. I would highly recommend looking into the Humboldt Simplifier or simplifier deluxe if it’s in budget. it’s essentially an amp and cap sim that runs DI. in my opinion it sounds amazing and more like a proper miced and lightly mixed amp right off the gate and is an AMAZING pedal platform. If you’re not doing much crazy you can save money on the regular simplifier, however if you want a super nice and easy wet/dry/wet sound the deluxe makes that much easier (and has made double tracking a breeze for me as i’m basically double tracking with one take). Hope this helps!
I forgot to add there is also a knob to adjust where you can add or subtract the amount of simulated room presence! The reverb is also AMAZING for such an affordable amp. can’t recommend more
Fender - "the Esther Rantzen of amps"! That made me laugh.
A DI removes the final two, we will call them "EQ's," in the chain from Guitar to ear. That is both the room and the speaker. DI is great for recording and large concerts. For just playing or playing in a small (relatively speaking) room use the cab. For CZcams or whatever it is ease and availability to record with Mic. Just my two pence.
SM57 for me, but I liked the DI'd Crush too.
both i would suggest use both and have fun
The one i like the most was the 4th one.Overall.
I didnt pay much atention to wich amp was cause i feared that would influence my decision cause iam a Marshall guy tonewise.
Possible missed opportunity for "That Is Di Question" ?
I always DI my acoustic and drum foot pedal , but not when I'm on electric or bass .
It all sounds good to me. It's just a matter of taste and mood. Nobody creates music in a vacuum... So, even the way the guitar looks will affect your playing.
I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on the UA Amp pedals. In particular, the UA Lion pedal really sounds so close to a Marshall Plexi, and your real Marshalls might be cool to compare to it as well. Anyway cheers, loved the 57 and the deluxe the most here.
I like the Deluxe Clean / Dist.
A Mic I would love to try when I can afford/justify the price - is the Soyuz 1973. More then 1 account says its the closest to a SM57 and R121 together in 1 mic with the way it records amps.
What the DI could be missing is room ambience that could be picked up by the mic?
57 ftw! 🎉
Goldfinger to 007 " I want you to Di mR. Bond"... 🎵r0ck0n 🎵
The Deluxe sounds pretty good
Listening through speakers - the SM57 definately gives some body to my ears. Sounds fuller, and this is a weird description but more embracing/engulfing. I am not quite sure what it is, maybe my ears here "more" frequencies/of the sound and as such feels more like the sound surrounds/fills the space, where as the DI sounds more "front on", not sure if thats less frequences I pick up - but it sounds a bit shallower.
Now I'll say this - if the DI sound was what I heard first, it sounds great. But side by side, I get that warmer fuller mic'd sound.
You can't go wrong with either. I am also almost certain that you could EQ/adjust the DI sound a bit (maybe have a plug in or pedal purely for post production EQ?).
I thought that the Orange clean tone was my favourite. I really like the clarity compared to the others.
I prefer the sound of your amps with mic in front of them in the actual room. When You're not at home- don't worry I always put everything back the way I found it and lock the door behind me on the way out.
I'm gonna stir the pot.....I watch a lot of band documentaries of classic bands and i noticed that they always had big old ribbon mics on the guitar amps in the studio...with a little distance...6-12". They are not as bright, start rolling off above 4Khz, but they capture things the way the "ear" does. Also figure 8 polar pattern picks up the room more. I've been using Superlux mics which have a built in phantom buffer so you can't accidentally blow them up. They are quite inexpensive for now as few have caught on to them. I noticed Andy Powell was using ribbons when I saw Wishbone last year. For recording they make a guitar sit nice and full in a mix....I'll add in a little SM57 if I need more edge.
Jesus ….Dave you could plug a tennis racket in there and you make it sound great……don’t over think it
Marshall all day !🎉
Maybe a higher quality XLR cable for the microphone or any other XLR cables? Not sure if this would matter but last resort to think about.
Actually, I liked the Fender with the SM57 better. It sounded more crisp and clear with the distortion. Also, you could put a Blues Breaker pedal to fatten and warm the tone, plus with the clean platform of the Fender, you can add a pedal to get that. The Orange was second. It was dark yes, but its a different amp in general. Its a British crunch. The MG was harsh and muddy.
A short caption for each sample is essential Dave, please.
The SM57 wins hands down, particularly on the 'clean' test.
sc clean di with a slow knee based comp would rock with tube compression on the dirtier tones to bring out presence...
orange
Why does an actual guitar speaker sound so much better?! I guess the digital rig, the direct signal just hasnt gotten there yet. You are so right about the air movement and room
It's weird but that's why I haven't fully went to modeling. I'll use digital preamps but not the full amp Sim. And definitely not a cab Sim.
Ohh and the orange di was my favorite if I had to choose
There are three more cool options: digital preamp + cab ir + frfr speaker, digital preamp + poweramp of your beloved tube amp (via fx return) and preamp + class d poweramp + your beloved real guitar cab. All worth some experimentation and quite eyes opening 😊. Most important is that you don't need a Kemper or Tonex or any of these expensive toys for it.
I’d say the Deluxe DI but I’m listening through my phone speaker which probably loses all of the definition. I wonder if you set the mic up on the Deluxe cab, whether that would finesse the crunch with the cream?
No, Dave the question is........To make an album or not to make an
album.Get it right, Dave!😊
Oh dear 🙄🎵🎸. I listened twice, second time with good headphones 🎧 and I couldn’t figure out which amp was which except the Fender which I didn’t care for. I think it was the second one that was very muffled. I couldn’t pick a winner but you did & that’s what matters. Do you still have the Boss Katana MK II Artist small stack? 👍☮️🌞🎸🎵🩷
SC clean
DR distortion or SM57 distortion
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Great question.. I’m currently making content and my iPhone mic is terrible
Just on the distortion side - miked was good. I'm a Marshall fan, but have to admit, it sounded the worst here in distortion DI - very muddy.
Amp DI's are almost always a bit meh... I had way better results using a suhr reactive load DI box and load my favorite IR's. Sounds way better and fuller than a standalone sm57 imo
As a Fender Deluxe Reverb 65 Reissue player in the first place, who switched to Marshall 2525H / 2525C mostly now, I can tell you, you have to think differently on a Fender Deluxe Reverb-like Amp. You would not use the same Amount of distortion, and probably not the same type. Otherwise, a Fender will sound super-distorted, way to harsh for your soft Frusciante-ish playstyle. (My Digitech Bad Monkey is soft enough, most "green" distortions will do I guess)
Which distortion did you use here? I would guess the DS1or so? (Orange style?) Still, I think most Valve Amps sound superbe with SM57, and DI's need amp simulations in order to sound as they should in a recording, an EQ or in-Amp Sim wont always do the trick, in my humble opinion. Best regards! :)
I Mix a D.I with a XY room mic for my vids. But im never that happy with the results haha.
Because Pauly you're too busy watching Dave Simpson videos. 😂 Have a great weekend mate!
When you record with the boss katana, combo or head+cab, do you use the sm57 or go straight to the computer via line out or USB?
Both.
I'm no expert but why wouldn't you use a cab sim on your DI? Interesting view though so thanks.
Hi 👋😊
I own the shure sm58 but hopefully next month i'm buying the Shure SM57 that i'm chasing for so long . Great playing as always and always very informative , open to debate and inspirational videos .
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What about the Katana DI? Did that sound good?
It did indeed. I didn’t have one setup this day though.
Hi dave sorry this question is from youtube music your bedroom sessions was that you singing on snow rcp
It wasn’t no.
Why not mix both in? And fix phase in edit?
Could even pull room a bit more on the mic?
Hi,dave h9w are you,hope your well,what,other gear do you use to record.
Zoom Q8.
Maybe a dumb question but what does DI mean?
Direct input.
I prefer the SM57 the most after a couple listens.
Live mic's will always serve you best - DI can be ify, oftrn no consistancy - Interesting sampling.
AND REMEMBER CHILDREN, These tests and comparisions are performed by Trained Professionals, don't try this at home.. wha? well he said he's a trained profssional , who is he, not sure some guy on the U Tub 🛁. He is noisy- yes, and often, this is how it goes, he speaks fast, dabbles on his guitar thingy and talks again then goes off . . .but then the next day or two, he's back. Someone said he's been doing this since the 1950's on a teleagraf then radio, then U Tub🛁