After filming and editing this I browsed a few of my charging apps. Petro-Canada has a 200 kW charger not too far from me, doesn't show up on anyone else's network map. Electrify Canada had some 150 kW and 50 kW chargers in London near the Shell I went to, also not on anyone else's network map. This is the exact problem I'm talking about.
Having been driving an EV in Ontario for over 6 years now, I agree that the charging companies should be mandated to use a standard card or app. An alternative would be to have all stations accept a credit card , just like the gas stations. A home charger is almost a must, I did a deal with the electrician and did the wiring myself and he inspected it and did the connections. The cost including the charger was about $1200. My new EV has over 450km range and I have no problems finding a charger - the Plug Share app is a god-send and makes life a lot simpler. One of the major advantages of the Tesla network is that the locations are all well chosen, with nearby facilities, so I am in favour of being able to use them.
Québec has been expanding their network at a fast rate, I spent half a week there for an event and was reminded by how much better the infrastructure was. For any of the electrics I drive I don't have a problem charging, as I have a L2 at home. It's dropping the cars back off that make it difficult as I need to bring them back with at least 75% charge, and there aren't as many convenient stations in the GTA as there are in the Greater Montreal area.
Biggest driver of EVSE installation cost (after the station itself) is the wire from the panel to the station. If the distance is short, you're golden. Ontario has crappy charging infrastructure because Doug Ford only wants EV jobs, not EV's themselves.
Tell me about it. $1,500 to install my EV charger in Ontario, versus the $300 it was in Québec. Yes the distance was longer in Ontario, maybe 25ft versus the 12ft in QC.
In my view, if you want to save gas, get a hybrid; if you’re concerned about our environment, go hug a tree. Or, plant one. I think EVs are a dead end tech. We should focus efforts on hydrogen and further refining the efficiency of ICE and hybrids. If EVs have a future other than golf carts, it’s as a fleet vehicle for local deliveries or passenger transport. Fleets have the means to install high output charging stations, and the vehicles can charge overnight, ready for work the next morning. /rant over
Hybrid really is the way to go, I've been saying that for years now. Everything should just be a regular hybrid by default. I was very tempted by the S 450 Hybrid W221 when I was shopping mine, but they only came in RWD and not 4matic.
"Malicious compliance" is a term I've heard bandied about. "Yeah...sure...we'll offer EV charging. We'll do it OUR way. We won't do what is convenient for customers...and they can't make us! Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!" I wish you all the best. The petrol stations solved this problem one hundred years ago...when companies seemed less cutthroat and malicious, I suppose. Aloha.
That's one of the reasons I doubt Hydrogen will catch on like Toyota is hoping, I think there are half a dozen stations in Canada to fill up at, making it insane to use.
@@PRNTestDrive Here's a strange thing. Here in Hawai'i, the US Navy and Air Force "crack" seawater into hydrogen and oxygen using solar power. They made enough to fuel the one or two Toyota Mirai fuel cell vehicles that some people bought here. Only Hawai'i and California in the USA...to my very limited knowledge...seem to be able to do this as of this writing. I enjoy EVs; they are nice and quiet in my neighbourhood. I hope Canada can make some more of this type of infrastructure. That would be a long row to hoe, however. Perhaps hydrogen is best used by big rigs and...who knows? Maybe some diesel-electric locomotives could run off the stuff, too.
EVs need to have a minimum 600-700km with use all of accessories and climate control. Canada is too big of a country with a lot of unpredictable weather for these cars to replace gas cars. I know this from personal experience lol
I've noticed with these newer EVs like this Lightning or the Genesis GV60 from a few weeks ago that the HVAC settings don't make as large of an impact as they did on EVs from a few years ago. Temperatures have been around the 10ºC mark, having the heat/AC on or off doesn't change the range, maybe by a few kms at the most. While larger range EVs will help with adoption, they won't do anything if the battery packs are 200 kW in capacity and Ontario still rolls out 50 kW chargers.
@@PRNTestDrive even in Quebec, i found one of those fast chargers (I think 150kw) but it was still only charging at 45kw. I was told the charge rate depends on how many users are using the grid and also nearby structures that require a lot of electricity.
That's my magic # as well. I wouldnt normally want to drive more than 5 hrs on a road trip without having a meal or other extended stop so that checks that box, with still a pretty good range In a cold winter. Also Lucid Air has a range in the 600ish km' realm, so the tech is actually already here, it just needs to drop $100k+ in price :)
@@JoeUrbanYYC yeah I can drive 5-6 hours straight before needing to stop for like an hour. But like stopping every 2-3 hours and charging for one is painful AF
Lots of good points👍 Disagree 100% on your point of others should not be adapting NACS, we need one standard and Tesla put the R&D in ti make a great charger. I am hoping to charge my Chevy Bolt on their network as they put a bunch in up at Port Severn on my way up to Parry Sound😍 Cheers
I know quite a few Tesla owners and they all have zero issues with finding and using Tesla chargers. One guy i work with lives in an appartment and he just goes to Wal-Mart here in Cambridge once a week, watches a bit of netflix while hes charging and hes good to go. But i do agree, Ontario needs better and more forward thinking when it comes to EVs. I just dont think Doug Ford really cares.
It really depends on the area. Where my folks are in Mississauga there's a Tesla station a few minutes away from them. On the flip side in St. Thomas you'd have to drive out to London for one. All depends on location.
@PRNTestDrive oh I agree completely. And also lifestyle. An EV would suit me extremely well, but maybe not others. Hopefully more chargers and, fingers crossed, sodium batteries or solid state batteries that have much more range and charge much quicker are all on the horizon. 🤞
I had thought about doing that, just buying the wiring and running it to a box and prepping everything. Knowing me I'd end up buying the wrong gauge of wire or something.
Back in Quebec it was a great purchase, I still miss my little Focus Electric. Out here not so much, and to be fair I knew that before moving which is why I sold my Focus.
After filming and editing this I browsed a few of my charging apps. Petro-Canada has a 200 kW charger not too far from me, doesn't show up on anyone else's network map. Electrify Canada had some 150 kW and 50 kW chargers in London near the Shell I went to, also not on anyone else's network map. This is the exact problem I'm talking about.
Having been driving an EV in Ontario for over 6 years now, I agree that the charging companies should be mandated to use a standard card or app. An alternative would be to have all stations accept a credit card , just like the gas stations. A home charger is almost a must, I did a deal with the electrician and did the wiring myself and he inspected it and did the connections. The cost including the charger was about $1200. My new EV has over 450km range and I have no problems finding a charger - the Plug Share app is a god-send and makes life a lot simpler. One of the major advantages of the Tesla network is that the locations are all well chosen, with nearby facilities, so I am in favour of being able to use them.
Québec has been expanding their network at a fast rate, I spent half a week there for an event and was reminded by how much better the infrastructure was. For any of the electrics I drive I don't have a problem charging, as I have a L2 at home. It's dropping the cars back off that make it difficult as I need to bring them back with at least 75% charge, and there aren't as many convenient stations in the GTA as there are in the Greater Montreal area.
Biggest driver of EVSE installation cost (after the station itself) is the wire from the panel to the station. If the distance is short, you're golden.
Ontario has crappy charging infrastructure because Doug Ford only wants EV jobs, not EV's themselves.
Tell me about it. $1,500 to install my EV charger in Ontario, versus the $300 it was in Québec. Yes the distance was longer in Ontario, maybe 25ft versus the 12ft in QC.
In my view, if you want to save gas, get a hybrid; if you’re concerned about our environment, go hug a tree. Or, plant one. I think EVs are a dead end tech. We should focus efforts on hydrogen and further refining the efficiency of ICE and hybrids.
If EVs have a future other than golf carts, it’s as a fleet vehicle for local deliveries or passenger transport. Fleets have the means to install high output charging stations, and the vehicles can charge overnight, ready for work the next morning. /rant over
Hybrid really is the way to go, I've been saying that for years now. Everything should just be a regular hybrid by default. I was very tempted by the S 450 Hybrid W221 when I was shopping mine, but they only came in RWD and not 4matic.
Maybe the government of Ontario is not competent.
That's a fact 🥲
Love your videos, big guy 😍
Glad you like them!
"Malicious compliance" is a term I've heard bandied about. "Yeah...sure...we'll offer EV charging. We'll do it OUR way. We won't do what is convenient for customers...and they can't make us! Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!" I wish you all the best. The petrol stations solved this problem one hundred years ago...when companies seemed less cutthroat and malicious, I suppose. Aloha.
That's one of the reasons I doubt Hydrogen will catch on like Toyota is hoping, I think there are half a dozen stations in Canada to fill up at, making it insane to use.
@@PRNTestDrive Here's a strange thing. Here in Hawai'i, the US Navy and Air Force "crack" seawater into hydrogen and oxygen using solar power. They made enough to fuel the one or two Toyota Mirai fuel cell vehicles that some people bought here. Only Hawai'i and California in the USA...to my very limited knowledge...seem to be able to do this as of this writing. I enjoy EVs; they are nice and quiet in my neighbourhood. I hope Canada can make some more of this type of infrastructure. That would be a long row to hoe, however. Perhaps hydrogen is best used by big rigs and...who knows? Maybe some diesel-electric locomotives could run off the stuff, too.
EVs need to have a minimum 600-700km with use all of accessories and climate control. Canada is too big of a country with a lot of unpredictable weather for these cars to replace gas cars. I know this from personal experience lol
I've noticed with these newer EVs like this Lightning or the Genesis GV60 from a few weeks ago that the HVAC settings don't make as large of an impact as they did on EVs from a few years ago. Temperatures have been around the 10ºC mark, having the heat/AC on or off doesn't change the range, maybe by a few kms at the most. While larger range EVs will help with adoption, they won't do anything if the battery packs are 200 kW in capacity and Ontario still rolls out 50 kW chargers.
@@PRNTestDrive even in Quebec, i found one of those fast chargers (I think 150kw) but it was still only charging at 45kw. I was told the charge rate depends on how many users are using the grid and also nearby structures that require a lot of electricity.
@karimbulldogs1435 it’s certainly possible, and that’s something else that would need to be addressed to make EVs sustainable.
That's my magic # as well. I wouldnt normally want to drive more than 5 hrs on a road trip without having a meal or other extended stop so that checks that box, with still a pretty good range In a cold winter. Also Lucid Air has a range in the 600ish km' realm, so the tech is actually already here, it just needs to drop $100k+ in price :)
@@JoeUrbanYYC yeah I can drive 5-6 hours straight before needing to stop for like an hour. But like stopping every 2-3 hours and charging for one is painful AF
Lots of good points👍
Disagree 100% on your point of others should not be adapting NACS, we need one standard and Tesla put the R&D in ti make a great charger. I am hoping to charge my Chevy Bolt on their network as they put a bunch in up at Port Severn on my way up to Parry Sound😍
Cheers
We've all got our own opinions about it, I don't feel Tesla is a good company to control anything given how volatile it's CEO is.
I know quite a few Tesla owners and they all have zero issues with finding and using Tesla chargers. One guy i work with lives in an appartment and he just goes to Wal-Mart here in Cambridge once a week, watches a bit of netflix while hes charging and hes good to go.
But i do agree, Ontario needs better and more forward thinking when it comes to EVs. I just dont think Doug Ford really cares.
It really depends on the area. Where my folks are in Mississauga there's a Tesla station a few minutes away from them. On the flip side in St. Thomas you'd have to drive out to London for one. All depends on location.
@PRNTestDrive oh I agree completely. And also lifestyle. An EV would suit me extremely well, but maybe not others.
Hopefully more chargers and, fingers crossed, sodium batteries or solid state batteries that have much more range and charge much quicker are all on the horizon. 🤞
I installed my charger myself, and got it inspected by my electricien friend, not very hard to do.
I had thought about doing that, just buying the wiring and running it to a box and prepping everything. Knowing me I'd end up buying the wrong gauge of wire or something.
Another good reason to not purchase an EV. Maybe one day.
Back in Quebec it was a great purchase, I still miss my little Focus Electric. Out here not so much, and to be fair I knew that before moving which is why I sold my Focus.
I am waiting for Toyota to change the market. Coming in 2 years.
We'll see!