#1 HIGH BAR SQUAT MISTAKE: Bar Position!
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The tip in here sounds super simple but until you experiment with different bar positions, you won't know what is ideal. I had thought my bar position was pretty damn good but shifting it down slightly has made a huge difference.
We can improve our mobility to a certain extent, reduce ankle dorsiflexion demand via squat shoes and work on technical cuing...but sometimes the simplest answer is best. I think everyone can get a strong high bar squat position. Plus it just looks cool.
Are you more about the high bar squat life or low bar?
it's good advice, since I've started training as a weightlifter, my bar position travelled upwards, I was a low-bar squatter before, but it took a lot of testing to figure out the ideal position for my got-to standard back squat
as long as i'm mobile enough I find the penis slips right in
OmarIsuf I prefer low. it made it safer and more comfortable for me
OmarIsuf
Hey Omar, iv always been high barring, recently tried low bar but didn't really fancy it although squat looks decent.
Would you advise squatting with both styles, on different days or would that confuse cns/motor patterns?
Thanks
OmarIsuf Low bar and high bar on leg day #idontdiscriminate
if you get baked before squats are you technically high bar squatting.....i think yes
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haha dude drugs good one
@@MrPianoMatt12let people have fun
The number one mistake I see on high bar squat is some people seem to think the bar is supposed to stay high when they squat so their range of motion is 2 inches
Tall man checking in. Shifting to a lower bar position and a narrower stance has made squatting a lot more comfortable for me. Great video Omar.
These chinese Olympic Lifters have the sickest technique when it comes to squats, snatches, clean and jerk. Shit just looks flawless.
Evs they start when they're like 7-8 years old
Yeah but most olympic lifters started early like them but hardly won gold medal. I noticed them more watching the Olympic lifts anyway, especially Shi Zhiyong fucking monster in the 69kg cat
They've all got the same leverages though. Short legs and long torso they're built to squat like that. It does look so smooth though. Klokov squatting looks savage in comparison haha
It's almost like they are murdered if they aren't perfect
China doesn't outlaw genetic mutation 😆
Russia doesn't either, but they can't get anything right
I am a weightlifter who recently did my first competition. I have always struggled with leg strength and realize that is my biggest weakness. I have seen much improvement in my back squat recently simply by shifting the bar down my traps about an inch or two and intentionally driveing my knees forward while i initiate the squat (picked up from Max Aita's videos). These in combination have made my squat both prettier and stronger !
High Bar team. I experimented with what you are stating and can confirm what you say 100%.
I used to try to imitate chinese lifters by resting the bar as high as possible on the traps and, while I made some progress, I saw that whenever I went above 85% of my 1RM my form when I tried to come out of the hole would break down a lot. It drove me crazy.
After some research I started placing the bar like in the "middle of my traps". I over reached as if I was going to go #LowBarAF but then I start rolling the bar up across the trap to find the perfect spot. Mental cue: I try to "cut" the upper traps in "half" with the bar. Maybe this helps someone. Great video and really useful advice for us without those nintendo genetics!
nintendo genetics xD
I'm using the same bar positioning just like yours in the middle of the traps during high bar squats.
This was really helpful. I experienced this recently when I went above 85% of my 1RM and I've been driving myself crazy the last 3 weeks trying to fix the prob. I was starting to feel straining in my lower back and I had something like a "good morning squat". I tried going low bar, but then that aggravated my knees and hips. I'm going to try the tips from this vid and hopefully be able to return to a better high bar.
would this be when you came out of the hole? pitching forward and doing the second half of the lift with your lower back too mucH?
Thought about giving up squatting because I can’t squat beautifully like Lu Xiaojun, but lemme try this method. Hopefully I can learn to love squatting again.
I have only ever done high bar squats but once I reached a certain weight I would always do the two part squat like you were talking about. I recently started setting the bar just a little lower into the hybrid position and found squatting much more comfortable and much less forward lean. This video was good because it reassured me that this was right for me.
Last time i was in the gym i moved the bar down a bit, because of a sore spot on my neck. Worked better coming up. I think you're onto something.
Saw my boy Lu on the thumbnail, had to click right away. 👌👌
This has helped me so so much thank you! I squat somewhere between the two also. Again long femurs and arms but small torso! This method is very effective between the two!Glad somebody finally called this out and agrees!
THANK YOU!! I have been struggling with Squats for the longest time, always feeling like I was shifting forward when coming out of the hole. Tried lowering the bar a little today and it feels so much more stable!
god damn, this channel is honestly a wealth of knowledge. every single time i encounter a new issue along this journey, omar already has a video on the exact problem. i owe so much of my progress to this man and his channel. thanks for being one of the few good (non-bullshit) fitness channels out there brotha
Great advice. I've been experimenting with this last week and it made a huge difference for me. My biggest issue with the squat is that it's hard for me to keep the bar over midfoot coming out of the hole (i'm tipping forward). Putting the bar just a little lower fixed it for me, heavy squats never felt so great.
This video has seriously fixed my squat from over 7 months of discouragement. I'm an intermediate lifter and finally decided to start squatting 7 months ago and when I started, I could barely do high bar 135 ATG and 7 months later I still can barely do 10 reps. I knew I was a lot stronger in my legs then 135 and I knew something was wrong with my form and I did research and tried lots of different techniques but nothing worked and I could still feel it all in my hip flexors and very little activation in my quads. I saw this video and placed the bar literally 1 inch higher on my traps and I kid you not I busted out 135 for reps like it was nothing. I felt a lot more activation in my quads then ever before and next time I squat I'm going to test my 1 rep max and I wouldn't be surprised if I were to get around 315.
Accordion to science 99% of people didn't realize I switched the first word with an instrument.
Scientists predict that in 5 years the majority of teens will be addicted to drugs. Sofa king addicted.
I didn't notice until I had re-read it four times.
Gymjojo I noticed immediately, does that make me a genius?
Gymjojo I noticed it i guess I'm part of that 1% lol
All Mark Rippotoe wisdom!!
Tfw ur a high bar squatter but a powerlifter. I LOVE HIGH BAR UGH
In response to ur comment at the end, I wanna move the most weight possible, but I wanna do it high bar, because squatting 600+ high bar one day is absolute savagery
Bryce Lewis squats high bar.
Ben Dover and I quite love watching him kill it
Haack does too
Haack is a big inspiration to me as I am 83 as well
how do i stop my dangis banging on the ground at the bottom of the lift?
Daniel Cox squat over a hole
Daniel Cox Chop it off.
Wrap it around.
you have to cut your dangis to the proper length with proportion to your femur length. Cut it now, thank me later.
Build your calves. Bounce off massive calves before but touches ground.
That lv xiaojun pronunciation is by far the most accurate one I heard
Some of the best advice I heard. After this, I managed to get past my plateau. Weight I was stuck with felt lighter!
I have a hard time convincing the bros that I have less low back fatigue in my low bar squat than when high bar squatting, this video will help me explain it better! I have a short torso with pretty long femurs so low bar keeps the bar over mid foot better for me and reduces that moment arm you talked about and, subsequently, the force my low back exerts trying to get the bar back to mid foot.
As of yesterday Nathan Damron don't squat 680 high bar. 700 beans.
Thanks so much for this tip. It is counterintuitive to move the bar back a little, but it sure does work. I was always wondering why Clarence was doing a "low bar" squat in his videos... I do high bar exclusively, only because I have been weightlifting exclusively. Outside of that either one is fine and a very individual decision.
the wizard has one of the most aesthetic looking Atg high bar squats
i did this a month ago and boy does it make a difference. i feel stronger when i push back up and come up in on movement. so highly recommend
Perfect vídeo, most peaple are like 8 or 80, they are so attached to "rules" when they lift instead of doing what is more comfortable for they, and i used to be like this because i was instructed to do this, thanks man
Great advice, I've had a couple people comment on how high I put the bar up in the gym. I tell them it's what works for me. I have very short legs. Now I can send them here.
I usually have the bar in the middle of my traps, I get under the bar and dig it into my traps until it's snugly into the groove. I squat high bar and try to keep as upright as possible. technique wise, I go ass to grass as low as I physically can, pause for two seconds, then drive up with my quads. I sometimes struggle with hips shooting up but I realized that is caused by quads not being activated properly during the movement. slow down and force your legs to push the weight up instead of mindlessly doing whatever it takes to get upright. you might have to go a little lighter as you focus on honing your technique.
I used to have the bar really high on my traps but I'd find it put a lot of pressure on my neck and was not efficient at all for me.
I'm 5'9, male, 190 lb bodyweight, these are the things that work for me.
thanks for another brilliant video Omar Isuf, always appreciate the tips you give, no matter how obvious it may seem to some people.
Even before i knew the difference between these two squat types, i high bar squated, it just felt more natural to me. I'm quite mobile, therefore i place the bar somewhere in the middle of my traps. With enough practice, everybody will find their own style of squating.
Wow ive noticed that whenever I squat the bar placement is never the same I just worried about keeping it above my shoulders and each set with the same weight felt inconsistent with the way It moved and felt.. this makes sense so Ill definitely focus on this!!!
Short legged, long torso dude checking in, and even for me, this tip litteraly saved my squat game. Crazy how such a tiny change makes such a massive difference.
High bar. This tip you gave is real. Learned this a while back and my lower back stopped yelling at me.
Wait what helped? You moving the bar down?
Good tip, Omar. I have a similar body structure to yours. Long legs, no calves, shorter torso. That’s why I love it when u post videos specific to your body type.
Good luck with your calves training! I started doing them 3x /week. Hopefully leave you behind!
Brilliant! Me and my trainingbudy experimented yesterday with this, without watching your video. After watching it today it made even more sense, Thanks Omar!!!!! Greetings from Holland!
Even after so many years, this content is just pure gold. Thank u Omar, i always had lower back tension, and it was my bottle neck, because I had the bar too high on my traps, making the weight overshoot the optimal bar path. Before my squat felt like a half assed good morning ( well it kinda was ) , when i tried your adjustment, I had to double check if there was any weight on the bar, it was suddenly so damn light haha, i was loughing out lout, because such a small difference in bar placement created all the resentment i had for squatting xD
Omar... I turned on the bell notifications and this video STILL didn't show up in my sub box..
A) High Bar, B) Max weight, only getting enough depth to get lights at a Powerlifting Meet.
I started training (again technically, I used to Lift to supplement my Karate & Judo over twenty years ago, with the current Australian Olympic Hammertoss & Discus Strength & Conditioning assistant Coach as my then training partner 😅) using the StrongLifts 5X5 app about a year ago. Between a crazy busy life, general laziness on my part, and a glitching Phone Screen (like phantom fingers across the bottom, sometimes for weeks on end, which isn't good when you have an app that resets if you don't train for a few sessions) I've made erratic progress, but I currently (as in today's actual numbers) at a bodyweight of 100kg, Squat 226.5kg, Bench 93.5kg & Deadlift 82.5kg (short version, tweaked an old back injury, then forgot to restart Deadlift training till 7months ago).
I'm currently debating backing off a bit (let the app reset by 6weeks) as my form for Squat is getting ridiculously high 😐, but I'm also closing in on 2.5 times bodyweight Squats & bodyweight Bench 😳. I usually superset exercises where I can & keep rest low to build up Conditioning when I reset (which usually isn't my choice, damn phone 😤) then when it gets Heavy again go to 3minutes & do one exercise at a time (which I just last week started doing again for the 1st time in 5 months). I feel good with all my exercises, except my lack of Squat depth. I watch Alan Thrall Low Bar Squat error video immediately before this one, and between the two I have much to think about 🤗😜😍😌😊😄😀😃😉😋 !!!
Watching 7 years later, quality content lasts.
hey omar thanks for the information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! can you make a video about how to implement cardio to a cutting phase? what type? how much ? how long? which one do you recommend for avoiding interference with weight training?
Gonna try this. I have ridiculously long legs for someone who is 5'8. Short torso, long arms, long legs checking in.
Also, Omar, any chance you can get someone on who can discuss low bar squatting with long femurs, short torso? Having huge issues with low bar as a long femur lifter. Thanks.
Totally dude, honestly Alan's recent video with the Starting Strength guys covers low bar squatting with longer femurs. IMO their preferred positions for low bar would most benefit those with longer femurs.
OmarIsuf how can I find the video ?
you gotta break at the knees and then rise the hips a bit early. Trust me, my legs are super long. If I break at the hips, it would turn to a pretty good morning.
I'm 5'8" to but I have short legs and a long midsection
Been squatting on and off for years, always low bar. I struggled to increase weight and as such wasn’t so into them, preferred variations and even leg press 😱 Made a grip change 4 weeks ago now and naturally fell into a high bar squat. I feel way more comfortable and have increased my squat to from 80KG to 120Kg in 4 weeks. That’s not much I know, but I now see a path to 200KG squat at age 50... I’m 44... squat ass to grass 🤙🏻
how are you doing on your journee? ass to grass seems very hard
@@matteo546 mate, going good. I’ve changed the routine, so only added 10KG to 1 rep max, dropped back a bit and going for more reps. Patella tendonitus is playing up a bit in one of my knees also. I find it so much better to go down deep. Keep at it, you’ll find it better too
Noob here (~4-5 months lifting)
This was super helpful. I've tried both high and low. I could lift more weight with low, but it was killing my wrists (especially when racking) no matter what grip I tried.
Watching this made me realize my high bar position might be more of a "hybrid." I can't do quite as much weight, but it feels much better.
The guy on the thubnail is Lu Xiaojun
Wonderful advice on bar placement thank you. Clarence Kennedy is my favorite so I trust him and you
Great tip Omar, thanks. I think though that even Lou and every serious weightlifter place the bar like you say we ought to. They don’t really place it that high on the bottom of their neck, because then they would experience exactly what you talked about of the torso collapsing in the hole. The placement you mention is the only placement really possible in high bar squat and all of them are placing it like that- it not a hybrid- IT IS the true high bar placement- it makes bracing also easier and it allows you to keep your chest and whole torso upright specially in the hole.
Type of video everyone should watch before they start squatting! Very clearly explained man, got my like!
Good vid my man, keep killing it
this is actually a really useful video. so simple yet so overlooked! thanks
High bar squatter checking in. Although having some trouble squatting to full depth barefoot; haven't tried weight lifting shoes.
was trying to figure out my squat at the gym today and found this video, this helped me immensely thank you omar
I love your videos! So helpful and informative. Keep the content coming
high bar club! thanks for all the content brother;your advice has had an impact with every lift I perform.
Long torso/short femur here. I go in between upper trap and rear delt, and sometimes low bar. This and a thumbs around bar grip feels best to me, as long as I don't cave forward.
Good advice Omar. I squat high bar but with the bar a bit lower like you say, recently did 500 for a triple. When I first started lifting I went low bar, and my first meet I had 9 red lights on my squat. Went high bar, competed again and got 9 whites. I really do think it's the better choice for the majority of lifters.
I know overtime I could be a better squatter with a high bar position, but I just love low bar and feel way more comfortable because it's what I'm used to.
agreed. i've been focusing on HB squat more over the past year and for me the most comfortable bar position is just above the superior border of the scapula
I do the high squat because it's what's comfortable and helps preserve my shoulders a little bit. Good video, Omar
Had to switch from Low Bar to High Bar as I was over working my wrist and elbow joints. I was doing wide bench with low bar squat which is a taxing mix on your wrist & elbow joints. I love Low Bar as you can squat more but after switching to High Bar, I immediately felt relief on all my joints with the cost of reducing the weight a tad bit. My body is still use to the low bar form so I find it challenging maintaining an upright position but this video may be the solution.
I'm a high bar squatter USAPL. I have a wrist injury on my right hand that limits the mobility to only like 20 degrees back so I just can't hold onto the bar in the low bar position. But, I move the bar down like you discussed here. I rest it more across my traps than on top of them and I feel more stable. This was kind of an accident after trying and trying to low bar and had an ah ha moment!
The running back on my football team took first in the state powerlifting competition and broke the record for squat. 495 lbs. and he was in the 145 lbs group...absolutely blew my mind.
What fed? Geared or raw?
NumberOneStirlingite he had a belt on.
i noticed it too lately, i will now try to put the bar even lower
omar always comes with the goods. keep it up bro
that one trick...that will propel your squat to greatness
This guy puts out so much content, it's ridiculous!
u and Allan are the only people with real advice.
i just naturally rested the bar across that lower trap/top of shoulders region.
I'm 6'3" with long legs and I've found the modified high bar works best for me and I can use heavier weight than low bar. Thanks for all of your knowledge!
Coincidentally, I actually had the high bar position set about just an inch lower habitually, not realizing I am actually doing so until you mentioned it in this video. It seems to allow me to handle as much weight as the low bar squat but in a more comfortable stance.
I'm a beginner powerlifter, started mid November, and I originally squatted high bar to the point it was almost on my neck. I now have it that extra inch and a half lower than before, and got a 40 pound PR like it was nothing in a meet!
0:00 dude looks like he just farted and is damn proud of it
high bar, and i can't believe how much of a difference this made. so much more stable and comfortable.
Brooo I just did this like 2 weeks ago I thought I was the only person who did these hybrid squats it has definitely made a huge difference for me as well.💯
i high bar squat. I use to not like it very much as it felt very uncomfortable, and i couldn't lift quite as much as my low bar. My mobility use to be trash, so i couldn't even go as low as i wanted to.
I started oly weightlifting like you as well. I worked really hard on mobility. I still don't have a pair of weightlifting shoes. But since starting, and focusing primarily on front squats, my high bar squat has felt very strong, and one of my favorite lifts to do. I guess by comparison, the high bar squat is really easy when put up against the front squat. I focus primarily on front squats. For a full squat session, i probably go thru 4-5 sets of front squats of, and 2-3 sets of back squats. After the load from the front squats, i find the back squats feel really good, and much easier to do, so I use them to finish off the workout.
I have a long ass torso but I still hate having that super high placement. I'm actually trying to get comfortable with it higher as I've kinda been forced into needing to high bar moving forward. Great video dude.
very recently switched from a low bar to a high bar squat. it feels overall better and less stress on my back
High Bar ATG all the way
Tried both for prolonged periods of time, stronger in low Bar but with adequate frequency to acquire the skill of high Bar squatting for 16 weeks, my high Bar was only 25-30lbs less having never trained it before the 16 week training block, definitely feel Training both has benefits for powerlifting aswell as weightlifting. Been following the content since I was 15, still solid as hell and enjoying the 12 week Bench programme as it was only just over half my max squat to start with. Keep it coming 👍
I'm squating for 5 months now and today was the first day where I squated with a good feeling, without suffering any problem on angles or anything like it.
The change? My pants! Basically, my pants/shorts always where gripping making me suffer to get parallel and keeping the bar on the middle foot.
I discovered it when I came back to high bar squats last weeks. I hadn't done HB for a long time and natural placed the bar a little lower than before, more natural and less painful too for me
good video, glad that you mentioned that everyone has different biomechanics each individual squat is going to be different to other peoples.
good work
High-bar ATG cus Clearence, duh
Landowar Exactly
I did both high bar and low bar squats, but since I'm pretty tall I prefer low bar a lot; the bar feels way more comfortable and I can push more weight.
as a short person with long femurs this was very helpful... ty :)
it's tough to pick but I do both for different reasons and then I do other squats, pistol squats, prison squats, goblet squats
ill always had my bar on the bottom of the upper traps
high bar squat here, I usually place the bar a little bit lower because I don't have a very large torso but still pretty high, big traps make this easier too since I have those extra cushions
I've always had a high bar squat because my torso is generally pretty long. However, people have assumed I low bar squatted because of my bar placement. The bar placement right in between high bar and low bar.
Low bar team but still learning it. Have been a low bar since starting. Great vid thx for the up
Going off of your upper traps to your mid traps, there's an actual shelf from your cervical spine that the bar can be supported on, if you have low muscle volume up there that is
John Haack is a great example of a midbar/hybrid squatter with an insane squat
Learning to maintain proper form. Doing high, low, fronts.
Cheers
Used to low bar atg, but now im cutting depth for better results. Low bar feels way more natural to me.
Ive been low bar squatting recently. Im a short guy (5'8.5")with long limbs (relative to others my height). It's hard for me not to "good morning" my high bar squat
Hi Omar. I used to do low bar squats, never likes high bar squats coz was harder keep a balance, always pulled to front. But now doing just from squat.
switched from low bar to high bar a while ago. Took a bit for my weights to get back up to where they were, but high bar is more satisfying for me when I squat well
I just put the bar wherever it feels good depending on how low I want to go. if I want to barely hit depth I put it really low and if I want to get as deep as possible I put it as high as I can't without falling foward.
4:28 credits to Starting Strength: BBT.
oh wait... you're disussing high bar squat. Busted!
I just put the bar where it feels the most comfortable on my traps. So it's probably a high bar squat.
While barefoot I do low bar powerlifter-like squat, with squat shoes I do high bar ass to grass squat. I'm responding good to both those forms of squat 🤷♂️ I do both because they don't really train the same muscle. I feel more my posterior chain while doing low bar squat, and I feel my quads on high bar squats 💪🏻
I've always been a high bar squatter. I dabbled in crossfit and realized that high bar would transfer over more with weight lifting, so I stuck with it. I've been thinking about competing in powerlifting, so I tried low bar, but it just didn't feel very natural or comfortable. Been sticking with high bar ever since