Years ago I was involved in a flat 8 design project and it is certainly doable. The flat engine (boxer design) is by nature a much more balanced and faster reving engine. That is the reason that Porsche has stayed with that layout. I am most interested in the new Porsche aimed at the Ferraris
I'm a Mech. Engineering student and I've been designing a 2L V8 based on the BMW 1000RR engine using the same idea on CAD inventor.. I think that a 1.5L V6 TT would make the perfect engine for an efficient lightweight setup, you should look into forced induction for your next project!
Don't know that a flat-8 would be all that much lighter. Nor would its center of gravity be that much lower because the engine has to be mounted higher in the vehicle in order to clear the exhaust pipes.
Neither would be able to rev nearly as high, plus you'd be moving the velocity stacks out of vertical making it a little harder to breathe, I'd imagine that thing needs a ton of air at wot.
The layout of the other components make that very difficult. It requires adding counterweight webs which makes it necessary to spread the bore positions, as crank and rod bearing areas need to be sufficient. Crank harmonics are an art form in addition. This is a beautifully executed concept, and my hats off to the creators.
WOW WOW WOW ON ALL THAT!!! I build custom motorcycle powered car concepts and this just kicked off a whole new world of discovery on the next build, though I don't think I'd be able to afford The engine yet...I'm truly impressed as this brings a bit more excitement to my list of design power plants...thank you so much for this, if theres anyway I can get information on purchasing One of these or working this build, I'd appreciate the help...please message me any guidance and directions to make this possible
Nice work! Sadly however, Hartley over at H1V8 has been making these for year as well as Powertec. The other sad part is they cost $30,000+ But the power to weight is amazing!! 3.2L = 500hp/320ft-lbs for less than 200lbs and not to mention the 11,000 RPM red line.
Quando esse motor girar não vai funcionar. Os cabeçotes das bancadas foram invertidos para coincidirem os DUTOS DE ADMIÇÃO no centro do V. Mas enquanto a corrente de comando de um dos cabeçotes vai girar sentido horário a outra vai girar anti-horário. Por causa disso só uma bancada terá sucesso. A outra não. A solução é fundir um novo cabeçote para apenas uma bancada onde os dutos de admissão e escape tenham permanência contrária ao original
Well if you got a block of billet and the machine time why not? But could you cook up a supercharger intake design now before any machining to root out any weakness?
Cranks twist all about, to varying degrees all throughout the rpm range, You were stumped by having to design a mirror copy of the cylinder head and instead chose to drive the cams of 1 cylinder heads by way of the rear of the crankshaft. The timing would be all over the place depending on rpm and load. It would be a ruff running engine even if compensation was ground into the cams or off set rod journals. Lot easier to get control of when driving the cams from same location, that could be front or the back, just not 1 of each. Thats why it wasnt done by any big manufactures. Think of the money saved by only having to cast and tool up for 1 cylinder head! Looks really cool tho!
This engine uses the cylinder head and cylinder block of a production motorcycle engine. The reason for having one cylinder head driving off the front of the engine, and the other driven from the rear, is to accommodate the driven end of the cylinder head - when you turn it around so that both heads have the exhausts facing outward, and the inlets are in the centre of the V, the cam drives will be at opposite ends of the motor. . The Hartley V8 likewise uses two Hayabusa cylinder heads and has cam drive from both ends of the motor. Synergy make V8 engines based on the BMW S1000rr and Kawasaki engines, using the same method
this is naturally aspirated 2,6L, it has stock cams and cylinders i suppose about 300 Nm. but i know that 3.0L with improved cams has 370 Nm and can have 532 hp with 11000 revs. there isnt problem with crankshaft but with crankcase. design durable crankcase is mastery and know how this engine.
You'd find solid works crashes and struggles with very large assemblies, hence CATIA or Pro|E being used by almost every engine designer. Solidworks is not as powerful as Pro|E or has as rich a command set.
+Paul Evans - I suspect they have all changed since I did my training! I did the full 'factory' Autocad courses, plus animation using 3-D Studio max. At the time, learning Pro-E was like driving a bowl of porridge. I was introduced to SW and found it a piece of cake to use, so I stayed with it, although I've not used the latest versions.
+nlo114 Pro|E and CATIA are far far more powerful than AutoCAD and Solidworks. They are high end, and can handle any design task. Solidworks and Inventor are simpler packages that are fine for simpler things. If you are designing Powertrain, which are very large assemblies with complex parts, and are designing parametrically, Pro|E (Creo now) or CATIA are the tools of choice. Although CATIA V5 is old now and feels old.
How do you expect to pick up 130 hp with bore and cams. These motors run into big problems with heat issues when bored out. There is a company that makes these engines. Neat project though.
man...YESSSSSSSSSSS, I just thought this up a while ago, and friend and I decided to see if, or how many people had the same idea ^^ let's hope 'Zuki gets the hint and slaps one of these bad boys into one of it's boring smaller cars, along with a sweet suspension, and make something on 4 wheels we'll buy up like a hungry diabetic fat man at Wal-Mart with a food card, and nothing to lose :P
Years ago I was involved in a flat 8 design project and it is certainly doable. The flat engine (boxer design) is by nature a much more balanced and faster reving engine. That is the reason that Porsche has stayed with that layout. I am most interested in the new Porsche aimed at the Ferraris
I'm currently training to be a machinist, feel free to send me the CAD files ;)
j0xa1 feel free to make one for me then after receiving cad files 😉
Deal, 2048of12@gmail.com set of cad files needed.
Can you also make block with heads that exit exhaust at top and intakes on the low side typical for exhaust. Turbo version etc.
alright, im gonna do so
I'm a Mech. Engineering student and I've been designing a 2L V8 based on the BMW 1000RR engine using the same idea on CAD inventor.. I think that a 1.5L V6 TT would make the perfect engine for an efficient lightweight setup, you should look into forced induction for your next project!
Belíssimo conserto musical .
Now make a flat 8 out of it, or a 180 degrees v-engine like a Testarossa. So it keeps the weight down for a better center of gravity
Don't know that a flat-8 would be all that much lighter. Nor would its center of gravity be that much lower because the engine has to be mounted higher in the vehicle in order to clear the exhaust pipes.
Neither would be able to rev nearly as high, plus you'd be moving the velocity stacks out of vertical making it a little harder to breathe, I'd imagine that thing needs a ton of air at wot.
So a 8 cly boxer I'm pretty sure 5ye6 have those
Inline 8's have the inherent disadvantage of crankshaft rigidity needing to be higher due to it being longer
The layout of the other components make that very difficult. It requires adding counterweight webs which makes it necessary to spread the bore positions, as crank and rod bearing areas need to be sufficient. Crank harmonics are an art form in addition. This is a beautifully executed concept, and my hats off to the creators.
The Radical SR8 uses a busa V8 I think. Nice work, man.
WOW WOW WOW ON ALL THAT!!! I build custom motorcycle powered car concepts and this just kicked off a whole new world of discovery on the next build, though I don't think I'd be able to afford The engine yet...I'm truly impressed as this brings a bit more excitement to my list of design power plants...thank you so much for this, if theres anyway I can get information on purchasing One of these or working this build, I'd appreciate the help...please message me any guidance and directions to make this possible
Nice work! Sadly however, Hartley over at H1V8 has been making these for year as well as Powertec. The other sad part is they cost $30,000+ But the power to weight is amazing!! 3.2L = 500hp/320ft-lbs for less than 200lbs and not to mention the 11,000 RPM red line.
It's a beautiful thing.
if you'd turbo it with a pair off small borgwarner or garrett turbo's this will easy eat an f1 engine if put in the same chassis
+Maximus “V” gameplay F1 engines are limited to 1.6L, this engine is nearly twice that.
i've always wanted to do a 4 liter V8 based on the Honda K20 heads :)
Also, this needs a supercharger and two turbos, it's pretty damn epic.
David Hays Hartley engineering does something similar twin turbo puts out up to 1000 hp
Amazing work. How did you find the exact meassurments for modelling all parts?
Quando esse motor girar não vai funcionar.
Os cabeçotes das bancadas foram invertidos para coincidirem os DUTOS DE ADMIÇÃO no centro do V.
Mas enquanto a corrente de comando de um dos cabeçotes vai girar sentido horário a outra vai girar anti-horário. Por causa disso só uma bancada terá sucesso. A outra não.
A solução é fundir um novo cabeçote para apenas uma bancada onde os dutos de admissão e escape tenham permanência contrária ao original
Is your thesis presentation available online .. I would love to go through it .. (really interested in calculations and theory)
Work of art
Did I understand correctly, that there is a timing chain in the front of the engine for one bank of cylinders, and one at the rear for the other?
Hello! Did you use 3D scanning to model the engine block head?
nice modeling skills and analysis!!!
Well if you got a block of billet and the machine time why not? But could you cook up a supercharger intake design now before any machining to root out any weakness?
Work of art.
wonderful
Cranks twist all about, to varying degrees all throughout the rpm range, You were stumped by having to design a mirror copy of the cylinder head and instead chose to drive the cams of 1 cylinder heads by way of the rear of the crankshaft. The timing would be all over the place depending on rpm and load. It would be a ruff running engine even if compensation was ground into the cams or off set rod journals. Lot easier to get control of when driving the cams from same location, that could be front or the back, just not 1 of each. Thats why it wasnt done by any big manufactures. Think of the money saved by only having to cast and tool up for 1 cylinder head! Looks really cool tho!
This engine uses the cylinder head and cylinder block of a production motorcycle engine. The reason for having one cylinder head driving off the front of the engine, and the other driven from the rear, is to accommodate the driven end of the cylinder head - when you turn it around so that both heads have the exhausts facing outward, and the inlets are in the centre of the V, the cam drives will be at opposite ends of the motor.
. The Hartley V8 likewise uses two Hayabusa cylinder heads and has cam drive from both ends of the motor. Synergy make V8 engines based on the BMW S1000rr and Kawasaki engines, using the same method
Niceee
Wow, really great music - what is it please??
Superb work!
Amazing work! That's art and wish someone will finance the proto...
Now redesign the heads for cam phasing and add two twin scroll turbos, make into production engine. 😁
perfektní práce, jste stále u simulací, nebo motor už skládáte? Zdraví absolvent FSI Lukáš. (další videa, určitě nejen já, ocením ;-))
Nice work. Do you have a plans for the crankcase and crank? It would be nice to be able to buy only those.
Very impressive. Is it mounted in in vehicle?
The Hartley V8 is very similar to this engine. There are hundreds of Hartley V8s powering race and road cars,
this is naturally aspirated 2,6L, it has stock cams and cylinders i suppose about 300 Nm. but i know that 3.0L with improved cams has 370 Nm and can have 532 hp with 11000 revs. there isnt problem with crankshaft but with crankcase. design durable crankcase is mastery and know how this engine.
cheers mate awesome job i was wondering if you wouldn't mind passing me the cad files of the engine?
Machining the block would be simple enough but I wouldn't know where to start with the crank
Show us the crankshaft difference and radial loads
Hey! Is it possible to buy those v8 Haybusa plans? It's a dream to build an engine like that
I thought the Ariel Atom v8 uses two hyabusa's, maybe im wrong, i was certain its two four cylinder bike engines put together
So basically an Ariel Atom Engine. Whatever, insane work !
wow sweet engine can you tell me if the crankshaft is strong enough and what the torque will be? tanks i'm really curious, michael
Reminds me of the Ford Cosworth formula one engine.
Make this a reality!!! YESS!! That's awesome!!😃
sakalik86 interesting... radical has this engine in their radical rxc V8 option.
El motor qué se usaban en el super tc 2000 de Argentina
Hartley Enterprises. They did this 5 years ago.
Great Work!
I wish someone would do a flat 8 with these engines.
Current ariel atom v8 uses this engine
Will this work in real world? Can I buy your design and CNC'em out make a real engine based on 1340cc hayabusa?
Beautiful
Fantastic!
incredible...
Thank you!
Anyway we can get a model of this for evaluation and testing?
I wonder how well a turbo would run on this motor
It's beautiful....
Did you propose using the stock camshafts?
is the crank off the shelve or custom made?
argentina usa ese motor en la categoría automovilística TC2000
If you can do this in Pro-e, you'd find Solid Works easier and twice as user-friendly for the same result, including the FEA stuff. (Cosmos)
You'd find solid works crashes and struggles with very large assemblies, hence CATIA or Pro|E being used by almost every engine designer. Solidworks is not as powerful as Pro|E or has as rich a command set.
+Paul Evans - I suspect they have all changed since I did my training! I did the full 'factory' Autocad courses, plus animation using 3-D Studio max. At the time, learning Pro-E was like driving a bowl of porridge. I was introduced to SW and found it a piece of cake to use, so I stayed with it, although I've not used the latest versions.
+nlo114 Pro|E and CATIA are far far more powerful than AutoCAD and Solidworks. They are high end, and can handle any design task. Solidworks and Inventor are simpler packages that are fine for simpler things. If you are designing Powertrain, which are very large assemblies with complex parts, and are designing parametrically, Pro|E (Creo now) or CATIA are the tools of choice. Although CATIA V5 is old now and feels old.
How do you expect to pick up 130 hp with bore and cams. These motors run into big problems with heat issues when bored out. There is a company that makes these engines. Neat project though.
Is the V angle set to the hyabusa's normal lean angle?
well done
Zdravim zkoušeli jste blok vyrobit a posadit někam nebo jen virutální zatížení?
Song?
great BMW power! do you have some pictures, share the link please ;)
I didn't know they made anything cool in pro e
I'm thinking about the real project! Let's gonna make it?
flat crankshaft. it will rev very fast.
thanks!
Ariël atom use this engine.
2 engine hayabusa to make 1 engine 3.0 V8 and 500hp
nice work? any chance you can email the files to me or host them somewhere to share?
i stoped watching when the numbers come out
Would not a crate SBC be a lot less expensive?
+Hopelessand Forlorn Yes a SBC would be cheaper, but this engine in theory would make a lot more power per liter and be much higher revving.
How much this engine
Clean, but if you don't add a compressor or turbo then you are not utilizing that engine to the max.
preparing more powerful durable revolutionary
Put the exhaust in the middle with turbos!!!
Is it possible to buy your Pro E models from you?
Looks like a Ferrari V8.
Wtf ? Dude don’t know shit lol
Brian Lingden those aren’t water coolers on top of the carbs dumbass
Is that program free?
Then JFC made it a reality
Is it possible to make one of these now.
Someone already has, it's called the Hartley v8
I second that!
John Hartley made it
Install this. In a 914
I had the same idea several weeks ago know take 2 turbocharger to complet it :)
NA v8 would sound so juicy with 11K rpm
I want v16
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Maybe, I know the Radical SR8 does :)
Cad plans for sale
Build it ! :O
how can i contact you?
creators..? this was made but one man.... me ;)
man...YESSSSSSSSSSS, I just thought this up a while ago, and friend and I decided to see if, or how many people had the same idea ^^ let's hope 'Zuki gets the hint and slaps one of these bad boys into one of it's boring smaller cars, along with a sweet suspension, and make something on 4 wheels we'll buy up like a hungry diabetic fat man at Wal-Mart with a food card, and nothing to lose :P
А почему "ШАКАЛ"?
for what??
3,2L with hayabusa heads is impossible,,.maybe just only for drags...
Radical Sportscars has it now at 3.2
now just come up with a drivetrain and build a unique F1 car
Damn that's alot of math...