Speed Buffs Don't Stack! | FFXIV Mythbusters
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- Can Dancers buff their partners through a wall, can you use a barrier both to block and Pepsis at the same time? These and multiple other myths demonstrated on this episode of FFXIV Mythbusters!
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:35 (1) Pepsis can heal with an expired shield (TRUE)
01:55 (2) Nascent Glint only heals 3 times (Depends)
03:45 (3) Some Gauge elements unexpectedly have Infinite Duration
05:39 (4) Some Gauge elements unexpectedly have Finite Duration
07:38 (5) "Can Dancers apply their partner buffs through walls?" (No)
08:56 (6) "Do Speed Buffs Stack?" (No)
11:41 Outro
12:47 Fun Fact - Hry
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I could just straight up lie about how abilities work in dawntrail if you want.
Hahaha 😂😂😂
"that's some weirdly absurd myths you got recently? How many sources do you have for those?"
ONE!
Did you know if you have a Fire Res up buff Phoenix heals you for less?
Trust me, I read it in the Balance discord last night
I don't reccomend doing that if you are a mentor, because you could actually get in trouble for doing so, but if you're not a burger king, you should be fine.
Funny thing about speed modifiers, some penalties also don't stack with bonuses. In the Gaiaochos sections of P12Sp2, where players are shrunk down and given movement speed penalties to create the illusion of a very zoomed-out view of a huge arena, Sprint or Expedient will cause the speed penalty to be overwritten altogether on top of the effect of the buff, letting you zoom all the way across in about a second. This isn't universal though; having recently replayed the SHB quest where you get a long-lasting Heavy, it seems to multiply with Sprint normally.
That is a hilarious interaction! 😂
And yeah it does seem like usually if you have both a slow and a boost, they sort of combine in a way? 🤔😅
The Heavy debuff is usually the exception, though. As far as I've found just playing casually, most Heavy debuffs do stack with Sprint and other speed boosts. I've noticed all Esuna-able Heavies that I've encountered act like this.
For Dancer buffs, in my experience it does apply out of line of sight. The example of the boss arena doesn't work due to a mechanic called "Aetherial Interference," that specifically doesn't let players outside an arena affect players in one.
I first encountered the mechanic while I was a sprout in the weeping city of Mhach, where i died and returned (due to being a sprout) and tried to heal my party members through the purple boss gate. The same applies to CEs in Bozja, which is why for the flare star cheese strat on solo engagements the party needs to buff the caster *before* they commence the fight (though that will probably change in DT, there is a patch note about buffs being removed when entering duties or changing areas).
In my admittedly limited testing so long as a player is within a reasonable range, meaning their name in the party list is lit up, the buffs will apply. It's not limited to the usual 30y like healer spells, they just need to have dance partner and be within targeting range.
It is possible it is aetherial interference as you suggest. That also makes sense.
I just won't assume necessarily that it is, given how I've noticed randomly aoe actions happen to not hit targets that aren't in line of sight, things like that. But in the case of the demonstration, it probably isn't due to line of sight (at least not only line of sight if it is!)
Most buffs are already removed on changing areas. It's when you enter a duty with some buffs that they stay. An example is the SCH's and SGE's shields, but I believe that other classes' shields also stay. You can place a level 90 shield on yourself, enter Sastasha synced, and have a 40k hp shield in ARR content. The only problem is that since it only lasts for 30 seconds, this really changes nothing except maybe stopping a bit of damage during the first pull. No other combat related buffs aside from food buffs last long enough to matter, and those scale with your stats.
Maybe there's something where DRK's can kill themselves in the cutscene waiting room by using Living Dead and it turning to Walking Dead right before you enter the dungeon, but I haven't looked to see if that buff can even enter dungeons because of syncing. Seems like something interesting to check out if it's still possible in Dawntrail.
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I just assume that every Boss Arena is an Instance in an Instance. Nothing from outside the Arena can interfere and nothing from Inside could hit anything outside (even if you stand in some AOE that would clearly hit you when stand next to the Arena, they wont even consider you as possible target.)
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I was also assuming 'boss arena' is something different - probably worth trying with the stone vigil first pull where healers get angry when the tank runs around walls!
Ive always hated paradox remaining even if you drop the buff because it doesnt grant astral fire without already being in fire, most common way I drop the buff is by casting paradox BARELY too late
Potential mythbuster: Do you retain your speed during the jump animation? For example, if you jump right as sprint expires, do you carry the sprint momentum until the jump finishes and you hit the floor, since you can't move during the jump? Or do you slow down to normal speed in mid-air?
That is a very difficult one to test, since you'd have to jump at a super specific time! Although, my personal experience suggests that it feels like sprint takes like a moment longer to expire if you are mid-air
1:00 that explains why some of my panic heals have been more effective than expected lmao
4:48 the only time I recommend doing that is about to disappear: when you start an AOE combo at less than 60 mana. Thankfully not going to be a problem soon!
I have one thing I've been wondering about ever since doing Eureka - does healing generate more enmity if the healer has an increased enmity generation buff? Angles to consider would be tanks that have healing in their kits, blue mage, and Incense in Eureka, for example. If it did, it would be an easier way to pull mob aggro, since healing, unlike attacks, doesn't have to hit an enemy to generate enmity.
Yes, healing generates more enmity if you have an enmity multiplier. Blue mage tanks sometimes use this fact to hold aggro mainly with white wind (which heals A LOT)
Paladins can also generate enmity with clemency for what its worth 😂
I use that trick on Warrior during mob pulls all the time with Equilibrium. It's also the reason I wish Gunbreaker's Aurora had a base heal amount, since Regen effects don't generate enmity themselves since 6.2 (because of Kardia as I understand)
@@nighttiger314 It wasn't just Kardia that was the issue, it's just that Kardia can heal while you're chasing and spamming Dyskrasia, so the healing and damage threat can generate a lot of aggro if the tank isn't keeping on top of it. Any other healer who has placed a regen before pulling and the tank just LOS pulls or hits once will know the annoyance. Now it's SUMs that use Bahamut or Phoenix during the run that feel the pain, since those have increased threat generation.
I'd like to say in addition to RDM's Verflare/Verholy, BLM's Paradox, and BLM's polyglot spells, we will also get PCT's Subtractive Palette for Cyan/Yellow/Magenta spells, as well as Comet in Black, not going away until used.
Based on the tooltip of subtractive palette, it is actually a possibility that the black paint turns white again if not used within 30 seconds. But I would need to test this to know! 🤔😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh We'll find out soon enough, but copy-pasting the tooltip from the updated Job Actions Guide page, "Grants 3 stacks of Subtractive Palette.
Additional Effect: Grants Monochrome Tones
Monochrome Tones Effect: Converts one stack of White Paint into Black Paint
Cannot be cast while under the effect of Subtractive Palette.
Palette Gauge Cost: 50 "
(no mention of finite duration)
@iPlayOnSpica ah you are right!
On number 5, I actually think you’re prevented from any interaction in the fight if you die and run back. I did a run where we had a white mage die and then cast asylum into the arena somehow, but it did not grant any buff or healing even if stood in. That was my experience, anyway.
Something like that sounds right I suppose!
It's kind of hilarious after all of the weird and wonderful Cover testing that Castsu has done to see this show up in the "Resolved Issues" section of the 7.0 patch notes:
"An issue during the third boss battle in the criterion dungeon Another Aloalo Island wherein certain status effects applied by the boss could be transferred to a paladin using the Cover action."
Hahaha not even the development team is entirely sure what cover should or should not do I guess! 🤣
to add to the discussion of speed buffs, speed buff from Breathtaker in Eureka does not affect your sprint speed and while sprinting you are moving at the same speed as other people without it, making sprint and similar buffs the highest speed buff in the game outside of a few special cases
I want the Manderville Sprint for my WoL
I cant wait for black mages to claim that you need to cast an additional fire 2 for the enhanced flare bonus in dt
That is going to be great fun if they don't add that back in 😂
...I've been playing DRK for pretty much 2 years and I never thought to check how long Dark Arts lasted, I just assumed it was somewhere between 15s and 30s. This, uh, changes things a bit. 😅
Yeah it is quite funny! 🤣 Holding it for too long of course leads to full mp, darkside running out and such, but knowing you don't need to hurry is nice!
I'm fairly sure that movement *debuffs* stack additively. If you use NIN Hide (-50% movement speed) and open a Shisui box to transform into an old hag (-50% movement speed) you will have -100% movement speed and be unable to move at all.
Huh! That is interesting! I have not tested this but if it does actually stop you completely it sounds promising!
that would have been amazing if dead dancers could become actual cheerleaders on the sidelines
It absolutely would! 😂
there is a funny thing. you can place at some dungeon boss arenas you can place your aoe skills inside the arena like schollar's sacred soil.
It is not something you can do by all arenas but by some. like by one of the lvl 90 expert dungeons. because you still have line of sight sometimes or bearly to place something
You can place them, they wont do anything useful. But i know what you mean.
I still say there are some interesting myths here since I hadn’t heard of some!
I think I would be too scared to try the pepsis thing. I think I saw a clip of a party wipe that happened because the sage pepsised early lol.
Side note: I recently had a personal myth disproven which was “Brilliant Conviction is a permanent buff.” I saw my relative accidentally turn it off during the revamped solo fight in ARR and they got demolished lol. Now I wonder jobs could do that fight without BC. Warrior?
Possibly, and yet, if it is in arr warrior is missing raw intuition so maybe not! 😅
Warrior's Nascent Chaos came up a lot for me while l was leveling. You don't get the single target upgrade until 80, so in the level 72-79 range I'd walk out of boss fights with a nice juicy chaotic cyclone
As I was doing Shadowbringers FATEs to finish up my Shared FATE grinding before DT I actually did quite a bit of napkin math to more efficiently grind it.
Chaotic Cyclone is a gain on 2 targets over Fell Cleave (300 potency * 2 that is a guaranteed direct crit vs 580 potency that isn't) so from 72-79 ALWAYS Cyclone on 2 or more. I don't know the exact multiplier for Direct Crits since it depends on stat/level tier but I doubt it's a full x2 and so Fell Cleaving is still better on bosses despite wasting that funny glowing buff.
Before gaining Melee Mastery at level 84 your single target combos are equal on 2 targets to your AoE combo. Since your Surging Tempest combo takes 3 GCDs to set up your buff and gains you 20 Beast Gauge, if you are over level 74 you should use your AoE instead since Mythril Tempest takes only 2 GCDs to achieve the same effect. Basically - if you need your buff and are fighting 2 enemies pre 84, use AoE, then use your Storm's Path combo for better Beast Gauge.
Also I was 2 days ago years old when I learned that they changed Nascent Flash to not NEED a target - you can just apply specifically the Nascent Flash to yourself without a target, similar to current Dragon Sight giving only you the Eye buff if you have no target. I dunno when they changed it, but if it was the same patch they changed Raw Intuition then it just makes me confused why they didn't just merge the buttons since they're just the same? Maybe some programming thing.
@ArceusShaymin i am pretty sure you need a friendly target for nascent flash nowadays, but I haven't tried.
They made the change to allow you to use nascent flash without a target in shadowbringers back when nascent flash was more like a life steal %, and raw intuition just reduced damage taken by like 20%. That way you could still use nascent flash for healing alone! 😊
Wait re:5 and LOS requirements, now I need to test if LOS breaking in POTD breaks standard finish's buff, because that's really interesting if so. If that isn't the case, then it's special code just for the boss lockout wall.
Yeah that would be an excellent test case. Others also suggested the boss wall is a special wall that causes this 🤔😊
Probably a bit late, but this question just popped up into my head...
What is the range of your Kardion healing?
That is an excellent question! I dont actually know, but I imagine a way to test it is to use kardia on a friend, and then have them move further and further and further away while attacking something to see when they stop healing! My best guess would be either 30 yalms (the actual range of Kardia) or 50 yalms (the range of the few "aura" type effects in the game like Bard songs and White Mage Temperance!)
I'm assuming the same speed overwriting happens with lost sprint in bozja? Really interesting to see that it just takes the highest, though. I knew that sprint overrode other speed buffs but didnt know that only one buff could be "active" at a time.
I BELIEVE it works the same in bozja yes. There's also the essence that makes your movement speed faster that also notes that mount speed is also boosted. I am reasonably confident they work the same way, but I will admit I have not tested these! 😅 As in, I haven't checked closely if sprint plus such an essence is even faster!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh It does. In most DRN runs I've done recently, there's usually someone who uses Lost Sprint between pulls to speed things up and I always press Sprint anyway. We all stay together. As for Sprint plus a movement speed essence, I don't know.
Lost sprint is DRASTICALLY faster than regular sprint (though you shouldn't use it in DRN cause you should be using damage actions instead). As for stacking: no, it just takes the fastest of any actions you have applied.
I do a lot of star farming and use sprint or imp (group sprint) is useful on 2 of the mobs or if you sleep too soon and the diminishing returns didn't reset.
And with Infuriate only giving chaos for 30 seconds, Scholar's Excogitation's duration is 45 seconds, and its cooldown is 45 seconds. I rarely ever have the buff end up expiring so it doesnt come up too often.
That feels different to me bc the buff expiring also gives the heal like it's kinda part of the mechanic
What happens if you kill the Ahriman in Dzemael Darkhold unsync before it can even reach the boss room? Occasionally, I'd think to try it, then I'd get distracted doing something else and forget to test it myself 😅
It cannot die before reaching the boss room 😊
Same. I have also thought this, just haven't tried because the only reason to unsync Darkhold is the shades. But one thing that is interesting is that the Ahriman that you chase and the boss are different entities. I believe this to be the case because he despawns then respawns while in the boss arena. I think this is done to reset his health. Otherwise, you can get some chip damage before the battle even starts.
@@Dw7freak felt more like the warden in Haukke. That guy is untargetable if his HP falls to 50% and he just disappears through the door.
In the Leap of Faith Sylphstep, when I use the Sprint ability with the movement speed buff from the blue mushrooms it feels like my speed increases considerably. Is that an exception or just placebo?
I think that is placebo 😊 however I will admit I've not tried to add sprint to that myself 🤣
Keep it up dude
Thank you so much!
Just learned of an interesting myth that I don't think was mentioned in your channel, if so then feel free to link me the video but an old video I found that explains some of the telegraphs has a comment claiming that when you deal with a chain mechanic that you don't actually have to move away from your partner and that it simply records steps taken instead for the chain to break. The myth seems to claim it's for most fights but not all.
Thats a very strange one, and very easy to disprove. It might also just be a misunderstanding. For most chains mechanics you have to move a certain distance *further* away from the distance you were away from your chain partner when you were chained.
If they suggest it is just about taking steps, then you could run side by side with the chain partner and find that it doesn't break! ^^'
@@CaetsuChaijiCh but could you run towards your partner to reset the distance for example and then run away?
@raventhorX i dont believe so no. That's why it can have terrible consequences if you run too early 😅
But I never did rigorously test this!
11:45 Your test is incorrect. NIN is faster in Leap of Faith. I use it all the time and I swap inside too. As there's some jumps that are a bit tight I just use NIN so I don't have to worry about it. But I swap back to a normal job for the shorter jumps so I don't accidentally overshoot. And I will. The MS change is extremely apparent.
Fair enough. I guess I saw wrong when I was in there last, and I saw me running (without sprint) right next to everyone else without outpacing them.
The reason I added this is because I've intentionally done all you said there for years, and recently noticed it seems like it doesn't matter, so I assumed the reason I thought it was faster was due to placebo. If you are absolutely 100% confident and you tested against someone not Ninja in leap of faith and noticed you run faster, then fair enough.
quick question, i know you've brough up tank mastery when doing damage calculation in other videos, but does tank mastery still give 20% less damage? i cant find ANYTHING saying it does
The problem is that it never said it did. It just... Quietly did!
I can't imagine it has been changed since dawntrail! 😅
@@CaetsuChaijiCh ahh okok, ty for the help
Oh, so i should really stop using Sprint when the Ranged Phys uses Peloton. No wonder i always end up so far behind in Alliamce Raids.
It is certainly a way to make sure your sprint is up for the part that matters! To get max value, sprint just before you enter combat so you get 20 seconds! 😁
You should NOT, using sprint does make you faster by a little bit and I noticed when a peloton+sprint Sage (idc if it stacks or not) was faster than me on my ninja with peloton. The reason youre behind is either loading times (hardware gap) or you're just slow at moving your character.
@@Riokv Yeah I was under the impression sprint *did* make you faster when combined with peloton, as there's been many an instance where I've had peloton and not sprinting and been exceptionally slower than someone who had both sprint and peloton (Latency be damned, they overtook me in the alliance raid when buffs were active on the both of us!)
@OnyxShard1 ah indeed. As demonstrated in the video, whichever is stronger always takes priority so sprinting would get you ahead, but if you fall behind once fighting starts because others saved their sprint for that, then yeah, that would explain that bit at least! 😅
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I would really like to know if Peloton is still really in effect when you Sprint beforehand. Sometimes it feels like you get reduced to normal speed when Sprint wears off, despite being under the influence of Peloton.
I'm concerned about your speed testing only being against the Ninja passive + Peloton vs Sprint. The logic is sound, and the math checks out, but the passive may be a unique case.
The big one I always wonder about but do not have the means to test (no friends) is Peloton + Sprint vs just Sprint. It _seems_ like it does make a difference whenever I see it in the endless alliance raid hallways, but that could be latency or whatever else.
I decided to only showcase this one test because I assumed the peloton sprint method would be very easy to test at home 😊
Find a straight path to run down. Set a stopwatch. Take the time it takes to sprint down the length of it (for at most 20 seconds).
Then do it again with peloton and sprint.
For extra control you can even include one where you just peloton 😊
I want to be clear that I do more tests off camera to make sure it is right before I just go and say something is true 😅
I did test the Pele sprint thing, and it seemed like pele and sprint stacked, but I can't certify those results.
They can both be present on you. But sprint will be the only effect you will benefit from, because you only benefit from the greater effect 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh yeah I get that but when I tested it, it seemed to stack, but like I said I can't certify those results. It makes sense that pele wouldn't stack with sprint given _how_ I tested it. We could also test sprint only and sprint + pele, and see if there is a difference, but testing every iteration of everything gets very repetitive.
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks i know personally that I thought ninjas passive bonus worked in leap of faith for YEARS, but that was all placebo. It is very possible it is the same for you in this case 🤔
@@CaetsuChaijiCh nah like I said, I tested it but I tested it poorly. Pele, then adding sprint increased movement speed... Don't think I tired sprint then pele. I also never noticed nin's speed passive and still don't. Pele, seems just as fast as sprint and with that test I would have never realized that sprint was faster.
Also it should be noted in bozja, lost swift doesn't stack with any other movement speed increases, and it explicitly states that. So... That draws more questions as to why the devs needed to state that if it applies universally.
Can a Machinist use a limit break in conjunction with wildfire to make wildfire hit even harder?
No, wildfire does a fixed potency per gcd used during it, and it caps at a set number that can already be reached easily 😅
In pvp you could make a bigger burst by making sure whatever attack adds the last stack to wildfire happens to do a lot of damage. This does not make wildfire do more damage, but it will make the total damage bigger in the moment as a burst 😊
Moon flute also gives movement speed iirc
Oh yes very true!
Watching your content to pass the time since FFXIV on Xbox is unplayable 😅
Hopefully it resolves soon!
Viper guide? 🙏🙏
Dont you worry! I will get through the MSQ, and then my powerleveling journey to level and learn all the jobs will begin, and Viper is very high on that list! So soon!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh You're a massive legend, mate. Cheers!
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Quick snake! Hide in a box! 😂😁
WHY DONT THEY STACK!!!!
WHYYYYYYY
PELATON ONLY WORKS OUTSIDE OF COMBAT WHY CANT THEY STACK
Don't know! Maybe they want you to save sprint for when you engage? 😅