Firearms Facts Episode 18: Shotgun Shell Color codes
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That Winchester 14 gauge shell was for a handgun shotgun they where developing back in ww2 times for navy. Suppose to be a small close range weapon when people tried to take your ship. The reason it's fully encased in aluminum was the idea it wont get damaged by salt water so easy and at top is a wax seal where they folded it shut!
+Rich Morgenstein Thanks for the explanation. Makes perfect sense. Wish Barry were around to read this. RIP
+Rich Morgenstein The 14 Gauge was quite popular in India for some reason. I have a Martini-Henry in 14 Gauge.
I can't find ammo for it, so I'm going to re-barrel it soon.
While that may have been true for a different shell that was not the purpose of that one. During the 60's Winchester experimented with the model 59 in 14 gauge, the shells the gun used were made of aluminum and labeled Ranger on the side in red. A few of these shells made there way off the testing grounds as did a couple of the guns and they come up on the market from time to time. Here's an example of one of the guns www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/54/lid/1801
+Cynergy Man lol dude the gun is a handgun, with a fiberglass barrel that fires these. s5.postimage.org/z9rf3vvw7/photo_1.jpg Here is a photo of a whole box of the rounds. I know i own 2 of these guns............ It may be some kind of odd ball gun they made at one time but those rounds where intended for a gun for the navy. If it's called Modle 59 then it very well could be but never heard it called that before. And mine is not a full shoot gun there 12 inch long barreled handguns made 50% fiberglass and 40% aluminum and rest steel.
Interesting, maybe those pistols had some influence on the 59 because they are made the same way the 59 was. If they were made in ww2 they far predate it. What are those pistols called?
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Thank you for using the wooden pointer stick. I mean, without the stick its like, "Hey, which one was he talking about there?" But with the stick its more like, "Oh, he's talking about THAT one." It really make the video magic for me when you tapped each bullet with the stick. My friend asked, "Is he talking about the one in his hand that the camera is zoomed in on?" And I was like, "Hang on, I think he'll tap it with the stick in a second." But before I could finish the sentence, "tap tap". I was all, "See, told'ja! He IS talking about that one."
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Classic Craig
I'd like to see a universal colour-coding system adopted by manufacturers. An overall colour to indicate gauge/caliber, and then some kind of coloured stripe or marker to indicate fill.
Miss you Barry. This man always had so much knowledge to drop.
I am very grateful someone as knowledgeable as Barry, Eric and Chad take the trouble to share their knowledge. Your good works keep making a difference every day.
Gosh I miss Barry, I keep coming back to these old but still VERY informative videos.
RIP Barry.
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Its good to see somebody talk about a subject they love..rip ..mate
Barry is teaching a class like this in heaven
The use of a pointer makes this an official communication.
Be my grandpa, Barry.
I really injoys Barry he has a lot of knowledge and injoys teach ing it to others
I’m not big on federal ammo but I love that they color code shotgun shells most only color code 20 gauge and go hey wire but thankfully federal color coded
I have old Remington Paper shells and a TON of Winchester AA Low brass in 12ga. I LOVE the AA shells... you can reload them at least 5-6 times before they start to crack.
Rip Barry. He had a lot of knowledge to share with us you tubers watching.
The cleaner yellow cartridge is beautiful :-)
The FMJ requirement, which is actually a ban on projectiles that expand or do unnecessary damage, happened at the Hague Convention, NOT Geneva. Geneva was about how people were being treated mostly.
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Hope this helps with your mystery 14ga....
I've got a British Greener 14ga shotgun built on a Martini action. They were made for the British colonial police in places like India and North Africa. The in between gauge was meant to keep the natives from using captured guns. Once they figured out to wrap a 16ga shell in cardboard to shoot it out of a 14ga, they came out with a new rebated 14ga with a 12ga head that used a 3 pronged firing pin and used special ammo to accomidate the new pin.
You can still purchase the 24 gauge and the 32 gauge From Ely in England. Also sielor Beloit from France. 24 gauge about $ 29.00 us. 32 gauge at 39.00 in us funds. I have purchased years ago a Winchester model 12 chambered in 24 gauge, custom manufactured for a aristocrat in Wales. Three firearms were made in this order, and only two purchased, buy the English sports group. This gun sat in inventory from when made 1954 till 1975, when I purchased it from Scheckler's. Fairfield, Iowa . The going price was $4,950.00 dollars. I have the serial #3, the other two are still owned by the National Wales Sporting conference, Cardiff, Wales. It is not for sale, nor will it be. We have offers that exceeded the original our purchase, 36 fold.
You are absolutely correct, it´s the Hague Convention of 1899 that regulates the use of expanding ammunition.
The guns were chambered for a special 14 gauge bottleneck shell with an annular groove in the base which provided clearance for the primer.
This groove design prevented bandits or ''terrorists'' from using guns captured or stolen from the police, as ordinary shells could not be fired from these guns.
the 14 gauge winchester was a round first and a gun second. They made those aluminum shelled rounds and then made a few guns to shoot them. Last time i remember seeing something about them, they only made about 5 and they go for 7-10k if you can find one for sale.
i think these days that most manufacturers just pick colours to make the cartridges look good. over here in the uk Eley make them in every different colour you can imagine though game cartridges tend to be more traditional plain colours, the only exception is yellow which is reserved for 20b for obvious safety reasons.
When I was 12 years old I had gotten a 12ga bolt action for my B-day. My Dad also bought me a box of shells and mine were the clear plastic like you have but they were red. I was out shooting one afternoon and on about the third shot I got a 3/8" long sliver of that plastic shell embedded in my eye. I had to make a trip to the doc to get it out and needless to say I hate those damn shells.
Here in the UK we also have many COLOURs being used.
Quite a number of 12 Bore Cartridges are also transparent but have metal bases.
Some time ago all plastic green cartridges were used by a German company in 12 Bore.20 Bore tend to be Yellow for obvious reasons.
Great videos 'Keep'em comin'
By the way a chap in my club bases his old Martini 1871 on modified 28 Bore brass cases using Pyrodex with a cardboard wad.
Looks like a newspaper has been fired instead of lead.
Accurate too.
With regards to the bass on shells. A number of years ago I picked up 30 or 40 of those no brass shells in 12ga 3". I loaded them as hot as I could and re-loaded them probably 15 times before the crimps got worn out and no problem with the shells. My old man always said the brass was for show and he was right.
The 14 Gauge shell was an experimental aluminum shell designed for the Winchester Model 59. Only a few of these shotguns exist so that's a nice find.
There's a world of novelty shotgun shells. They're all highly impractical and sold for just that -- novelty. There are "dragon's breath" shells that make your shotgun shoot gouts of flame, and "ball-and-chain" shells that have linked shot that spin through the air. There aren't any real explosive shells. There are, however, flare shells, which can be useful if you don't want to spend money on a flare gun.
This randomly popped up in my feed today. I remember watching this the day it was uploaded to YT. Miss Barry.
Just FYI, Hollow points are prohibited by the Hague Accords, and not the Geneva Conventions (which say nothing about expanding ammo). We actually never signed the Hague Accords, so we actually use FMJ just to "play nice" with everyone else.
I remember when I got my 10 gauge double. The only shells I could get fot it were high brass duck loads. When I went deer hunting I removed the bird shot from the shells, and replaced the shot with triple O buck shot. I didn't get a deer that year, but the shells worked well on deer stands in the trees that were on our private property. lol
Barry i found this for you "extremely rare experimental 14 gauge Winchester Model 59 shotgun with only 4 or 5 of this actual model ever produced. These 14 gauge shotguns were made for John Olin to test the experimental aluminum 14 gauge shotgun shells being made at Winchester-Western's Alton, Ill. Plant."
Activ Industries used to make a plastic red shot shell in the late 80's and 90's It was real popular at the local gun club and many of the members preferred them for shooting and reloading. I'm not sure why they are no longer produced but they were a good shell at a good price at the time.
yes there was a 14 ga shotgun
They were made by British Martini Henry of Zulu war fame. They were manufactured by W.W. Greener, one of the most legendary arms factories in Britain.The guns were chambered for a special 14 gauge bottleneck shell with an annular groove in the base which provided clearance for the primer.
These single-shot shotguns, built on the famous Military Martini rifle action, were made in England for Egyptian police and used in the early 20th century.
So I had to look up "line launching load"... I never knew such thing existed. It doesn't matter what the topic is, I ALWAYS learn something from your vids! You guys are fantastic, thanks for sharing the knowledge week in and week out.
His story is basically explaining how shells designated for a different gauge shotgun can some times be fired out of shot guns of a different gauge. in his case, he shot a 20 gauge (yellow) shell out of a 16 gauge Browning gun.
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I inherited some old 12 ga. ammunition, before even daring to test fire the rounds I found this very helpful in identifying them as the labels wore off.
With respect, it was the Hague Convention of 1899 that prohibited "the use of bullets
which expand or flatten easily in the human body". It was not the Geneva Convention as was indicated at approx. 2:40.
The 14 gauge was for a special variant of the Winchester Model 59.
I remember back in the late 1960’s I had a box of all plastic shells. #6 shot I think. I remember shooting crows with them and still remember the plastic splitting up after firing them.
From Aussie we say good on you blokes. I have just come into possession of some 1960s 12 gauge Aussie loaded shells and they are wax paper. We dont do this here anymore sadly.
Barry that 14 gauge shell could be for a Greener Mark 3 Police gun. It's an interesting shotgun based on the Martini Henry action. The 14 gauge shell was so that "opposition" or "rebel" forces couldn't use the gun without that specialized ammunition. The Greener shells were 12 necked down to 14 gauge full brass shells. The firing pin in that gun is a "3 pronged" in a way. There is a groove around the primer that will prevent you from using anything in that gun other than the special ammo.
I'll admit, even though I miss Barry, I really do, it's still nice to see how Eric's gone to the front since then. Here he was just kinda being the silent side-act, and these days he runs the show.
I just wish it was because of Barry taking a break and popping in as a guest like Ray does rather than dying like he did.
How selfish of him
the 14 ga is for a greener shotgun built on a martini henry action. it was given to british colonial forces. the reason for it being 14 ga is so that it was a proprietary shell and the gun could not be used if it fell into the wrong hands
Ha ha, when Eric and Barry say they're going to shoot something I just can't imagine it being a paintball :D
They are essentially the same, however, if your weapon is barrel stamped .223 DO NOT USE 5.56 in it. But if your barrel is stamped .5.56 you can use .223 thru it with no problem. The difference in the rounds is the length of the throat and 5.56 is loaded a bit hotter than .223. The weights are different as well.
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Yep! I actually have an old Martini Henry that's been smoothbored for the 14, possibly as a Zulu-era hunting shotgun. Very neat stuff.
I saw a report from Winchester on 14gauge shotgun shells was a gauge they tried to make popular to start a new line of shotguns .
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The gauge means the barrel's diameter is the same as 1/x pound of lead. A 12 gauge shotgun's barrel is the same size as a 1/12 lb ball of lead, for example.
love the clips guys I'm in northern mi. we love our guns up here I grew up hunting and fishing but still like watching and turning
I feel like if you mix up a 12 gauge and a 410 gauge shell cause they're both red, you probably need to be sent back to pre school and be given one of those wooden boards with the shape cut outs on them and see if you try to insert a square into the circle hole.
The 14 gauge shell was for an experimental 14-gauge Winchester Model 59. Only 4 or 5 were made.
It launches a small string to shore, that string is tied to a massive rope that is used to tie ships to shore when docking.
Your 14g shotgun shell is for a Greener Police Shotgun. Its a Police issue Greener based on Martini dropping block single shot.
The 14-gauge was used by the British colonial police in the years after WWI. The unusual caliber was to prevent the use of stolen shotguns by civilians. Look up the Greener Police Shotgun for more information.
This helped me out a bit, i just purchased my first shotgun and realized i didnt know anything when i went to buy ammo for it. Bass pro must have had 80 different types of it. I ended up buying some that were too long. If you guys could do a series on ammo that would be awesome, like different brands, grains, etc. It seems like each class of weapon has its own world of ammo. Im getting into long range shooting too and thats a completely different world too.
That see through plastic shell is cool never seen one of those before, thanks for the quick lesson barry.
I remember watching forgotten weapons episode on the liberator shotgun and he couldn't quite figure out what bore it was if he kept saying it was something like 14 gauge I wonder if that 14 gauge Winchester was one of the rounds proposed for use in that shotgun
Ya that was for the wounded warrior project. They also did a pink one for breast cancer.
Guns chambered in either will fire both rounds; however I think it is Smith that says you aren't supposed to shoot a 5.56 out of a .223 but you can shoot .223 out of a 5.56 all day with no problems. The 5.56 is a bit heavier and I think the case is shaped different at the top.
Gauge is is the same as bore. I know a few British friends who refer to a 12G as a 12B. Its just a matter of measurement for the barrel of the gun.
9x19 Parabellum is the now-ubiquitous pistol round designed by Georg Luger.
9x18 Makarov was designed by the Russians for their popular pistol by the same name.
You can think of it as analogous to 7.62(x51mm) NATO versus 7.62(x39mm) Soviet.
I used to hunt with an over-under 20 guage/22 hornet. I loved that 22 hornet round.
I remember seeing that all plastic shell years ago. Had forgotten all about them.
yes, they have that because Federal ammunition made a box for the wounded warriors.... and that's why your box has red, white, and blue shells in it representing our colors...
That clear shell is really interesting. I've only seen one like it. It was handmade.
Some were also issued to British Police who are not one unit but based on the English Counties so each force will have it's own regulations that today follow 'Home Office/ Government' guidance.
Here in the UK they tend to be 12 bore which is our most popular bore size for Game and Clays.
I have heard that sometimes they issued expanding ammo for hunting ammo for the the M6 although they came with a warning on the box that it wasn't to be used on enemy personal
Eley-Kynoch in the UK used to have a very similar colour coding to Federal.
Very informative and logical approach to shell ID. Too bad the other manufacturers didn't follow the same type of plan.
Thanks for sharing.
Dang, what a shame this videois so short. Such a cool topic. I could listen Barry going over different shotty loads all day. He really knows his stuff. Also, really cool to see the older specialty loads. You guys should do a vid with the same format on specialty loads.
i fond an all brass 10ga shell in the desert when i was 10 all of 14 years ago . wish i still had all of those shells love bullet collections
No color code for 28 gauge?
This channel needs to bring back Barry ☹️ RIP man ☹️
From my understanding, it's called a caliber so you can legally shoot it from a pistol without it being considered a Short Barreled Shotgun. Pretty much why you need a class 3 license for a sawed off 12 gauge, but not a S&W Governor or a Taurus Judge.
I've seen red, green and blue for 12 gauge and had them all in my hands before. Also seen some silver's for sale in stores.
Really love your shotgun videos as they are the only firearm that is practical for me to shoot for fun here in the U.K. (Without having to do back flips in order to prove that I can be trusted with a pistol or rifle). It's frustrating to see you folks having all that fun with all the different loads and being allowed to have more than two rounds, But I still enjoy clay shooting with a trusty under over Rizzini 12 gauge. :)
That's interesting, I didn't realize that Federal was the only one going by the color code.
Great video!
14 gauge was a test by Winchester to introduce a new gauge but it had little interest from the public .
How I know I don't trust store bought loads; when you tapped the rim section of that clear shell I flinched a little.
Very cool! Didn't know there was a color code!
Miss u berry. I like listening to you way more then these other two clowns.
I have federal 12 gauges in red, white, pink and blue and federal turkey loads in red.
The 14 gauge was a round Winchester tried to get in the market to fora new range over twenty gauge but less recoil than 16 gauge!
I didn't learn jack about color schemes, but I learned a ton about types of loads! Thanks guys!
I just spent ALL day yesterday re watching every gun fact and every gun gripe video, love u guys!
That clear plastic shell is pretty cool. I've seen clear magazines, but never a clear shell.
I remember the all plastic shells! My folks still have some.
On the shell that was called a possible line launching load, I've read about some shotgun ammo that was used by Special Forces in Viet Nam that was designed to be almost silent and they say it kind of turned itself inside out. Not sure if that is one of them, but it just made me think of it.
wasn't paying attention at that point--had to go back and actually listen---you were right---sounds like fun to me--LOL
Here you go Barry, that's an invite if I ever heard one !!!