An integral part of my hunting strategy. For every deer I harvest, planting persimmons on a site helps one or two younglings survive the winter. I want the deer population where I am to thrive!
My great aunt was an incredible farmer. Her two acres in southern Indiana grew an amazing bounty, from her herb garden to her grapes, staple annuals and yes a huge persimmon tree. What I remember most are the persimmon cookies she used to make. We are blessed to have taken cuttings of her grapes and lilacs that still grow and give us delicious jelly and fragrance respectively. Sadly her persimmons are just a fond memory but they are on my list to start in my own one acre plot to go with the other perennial food bearing trees I've started from Sean's stock the past two years.
For folks that are interested, we hope to have some seedlings available this spring through our website. We renew our inventory on March 1st. Unfortunately we will be doing very limited shipping this spring (we need to get caught up on some key projects) but will always be growing more for fall! edibleacres.org/permaculture-nurseries - lists amazing nurseries we really believe in that may also have this great plant and others :)
I have tried to find research on American Persimmons as I want to plant a single tree that is able to be self fruiting. The Yates variety would be my preferred choice and many nurseries states that this one will be fruiting without a pollinator tree. When I ask them for research backing this claim there seems to be none available. Do you (or anybody else) have any knowledge or experience that Yates or any other AP cultivars actually will be able to produce quality fruits if planted with no other persimmons nearby?
There are seeds below us at the lake, there are wild persimmon trees can I grab a seed and plant one of those? The deer eat the persimmons.. I'm in Missouri
First, your voice and presentation is so pleasing. Second, I've got plans to plant a hundred or so this spring. I understand persimmon trees are strongly dioecious so only about half will produce fruit. But It's going to be awesome.
Love seeing US native fruits, thank you for this. Have planted several named cultivars of American Persimmon here in the UK, I'm setting up a 'fruit savannah' for my Emus.
Good morning all 😊 My old American persimmon drops early in fall (WV). I finally started a bunch from it's seeds last year. Now I'll have to try to get a few of yours if made available. Thanks!
IN my area, specifically my parent's property, we are loaded with American Persimmon. I went out a few months ago and picked some seeds out of the forest floor off of a tree that produces heavy. I got them in a bag along with some peat moss stratifying in the fridge. Can't wait to plant some. They are so good but don't eat one that isn't ripe haha. Old times take the seed and cut them in half long ways to predict the weather in the winter. You will see a spoon, knife, or fork. Spoon means you are going to be digging snow, Knife means the wind will cut like a knife. The Fork means it will be a mild winter. I have three on my property that are wild but no fruits yet. We have Paw Paw that grows wild here too. I have two that I dug up in November and have planted in my orchard.
thankyou for sharing, another treasure found :).. will have to go to the botanical garden and see if i can find some seeds. was already lucky with finding Paw Paw. fruit and seeds there :)
Your voice is so calming :) I wonder why the birds and squirrels don't pick the tree clean? Seems strange that there's still fruit on the tree this many months into winter.
I can remember growing up in my humble village in Zimbabwe and walking in the forest with my grandmother.. We would stop to eat wild berries and fruits and she would always encourage us to Walk on and we would complain that there was lots more fruit to be had.. She would remind us that there would be other people walking this way who would also like to eat some.. There are birds, animals, a host of insects also dependant on this tree for their food security and If we all ate a little then there will be enough for all... All creatures great n small were born with this knowledge and understanding i believe .. We humans too...maybe we have just forgoten.. We feed wild birds here and it takes a few minutes before its totally crowded because they fly off to tell the others there is food..
Mmmm...Persimmon Pudding. As a kid my job was to gather/pick persimmons. Clean them. Soak them in mik. Drain, then sieve the skins & seeds and then go about "secret" planting of seeds in the fields & ravines tops around my ruburbian neighborhood using my kid safe tiny, dull hatchet. Tresspassing encouraged. I never got to mix & bake any pudding untill I was a teenager.
@@edibleacres When I was a kid as a family we gathered & processed a lot of wild food & practiced bushcraft on extended outings up & down the Mississippi River. We lived close by, up on a bluff with creeks running through ravines which emptied into the river. They we packed with paw paw, persimmon & nut trees. Great place for any kid who liked the outdoors.
Im expanding my seed collection and got some of these seeds recently. I didn't realize it took 6-8 years to get fruit from these trees.😯 Im sure they will be worth the wait though. Locally a package of 6 perssimons fruit goes for $9.99😱
@@edibleacres I have bought them at the grocery store and decided they are not for me. I have heard that some do not do that to the tongue. It’s great to have food for the animals. Even if you were not to eat any of it, the fact that it is feeding the animals is a beautiful thing. God bless you friend.
I found 2 fruiting persimmon trees on my property that have grown despite being covered by cedars. They were such a blessing to find, if nature can provide in rocky soil covered in cedars I picked the right place. I've taken care not to damage them while clearing the cedars.
Our neighbors have a huge tree that reaches over the fence but it must be a different type because likr another commenter said ours drop in November. This is the first year I ever tried one because the one I tried years ago must not have been properly ripe because I didn't enjoy the flavor. I thought the one I had in my storage bucket had gone bad but I tried a bite anyway and it was like delicious pudding. Now I have 5 cuttings now trying to start my own. I am part of the persimmon fan club now for sure and now I want that variety that holds fruit all winter too. 😂💚🌳
They start dropping in November, lots of variety there. If it's possible to save seed definiitely try growing from seed as you get great variation and health that way!
We're going to try a bit of a guild with some american chestnut and persimmon, and some mixed nitrogen fixing, fruiting and flowering shrubs. Also some small perennial flower beds. The shrubs and flowers eventually getting some shade from the maturing chestnut and persimmon once the system starts to really mature. Thanks, great video!
Really neat idea. Give a bit of space between the persimmon and chestnut, at least 4-6' feet... I'd think about the persimmon being to the north east ideally of the chestnut so it can grow tall and thin and be over the chestnut but not casting shade onto the chestnut.
@@edibleacres thats great, I am still playing with placement and cutting down some large eastern white pines to make room. Your perspective is very thoughtful and well taken, thank you!
Do you have any for seedlings for sale ? I need a later in year snack for myself and mostly critters we have been fortunate this season for sure in extended warmth season . Wild grapes are pretty much gobbled up this past weeks sunny days by cardinals and robins . Seen a Blue heron and Pair of mallards this week and I’m a hour north of you on lakeshore .Spring is around the corner .
Trying out your air prune boxes this year. So far they are GREAT!!! Except the seedling attrition rate is unexpectedly high. I was wandering if you have had an issue with persimmon seedlings dying from some kind of rot at the base of stems? Ive lost quite a few, they grow great then drop leaves and when pulled up show a black withered ring near soil line level. Seems like some fungal attack??? I did use aged wood chips in bottom of boxes, then home made compost then sawdust mulch on top. Ive not had this issue with any of the other seedlings, just persimmon, even the asian pear in same box are not affected. I dont want to use sterile soil, but it seems the persimmon are very sensitive, ANY IDEAS???!!! THANKS!
@@edibleacres Could be, not me but the earth has been overwatering lately! haha I did notice improvement when I removed the sawdust mulch layer around the seedlings.
My mastiff Lyonna forages for persimmons. Have a few mature trees as well as shagbark hickory, the black walnut produced well and the acorn drop was amazing this year. The deer 🦌 forage for the sprouted acorns (gets me thinking if the are any good) 7a north central NC
NJ viewer here, I have some persimmon trees in a field that have never fruited in the 20 or so years I've been here. My brother who identified them is an arborist so I'm sure there's no mistake. Could it be too wet or shaded? We do have a lot of ground water flowing down into a manmade pond.
Could very well be there are no male plants to pollinate. You may be seeing one persimmon that has suckered, that is possible. You may want to plant more trees there!
Zone 3 is most likely just a bit too cold. If you can get plants for free or from seed it's worth a shot but I don't think they would be reliably hardy.
Greetings.. Thank you for this information.. I wonder if your vour variety will grow here in Sweden in our Stockholm B zone erea I believe.. I wonder how I can buy some seeds..
EA, Hello, Must tell you a story about the pie my aunt made me one fall. S he was the type of cook that if she didn't have a exact ingredient she would use "something just like what it was supposed to be" so sometimes you have a mostly just missed it flavor.Well she made me a persimmon pie, she didn't have any brown sugar so she used molasses instead. The only problem with that pie was she used unripend fruit.It was like you dumped baby powder in your mouth!! She later said she used the harder ones because they looked better!!
I've had trouble propagating persimmon from seed. I've only tried the seed from one tree, could it be that specific tree? Do you have tips for persimmon propagation? Seems like they may be a late sprouter? Let me know, thank you!
Seed should be stored cool and moist over winter and sown in rich, deep soil in spring if you have a cold winter like we generally do. Moist sawdust in a fridge in a bag can be a nice approach to store them without drying or freezing...
@@edibleacres I tried to stratify in a moist paper towel in a zip lock bag, stored outside all winter in Northern Indiana. They never sprouted last spring.
They are growing wild in my woods. No extra fruit yet. The animals and birds seem to get them all. 😀. Do you know if they can be pruned to keep shorter? I’m trailing some to see. I pruned some young ones. Time will tell.
If you don't have fruit maybe it's a male tree. Also, persimmons will sucker and grow multiple trunks that look like multiple trees when it's only one.
I think that is a pretty tough ask but possible. Reach out to Buzz Ferver at perfectcircle.farm since he has Persimmons that may be appropriate for your region.
The problem I have heard about Persimmon in a cold zones like yours (mine is 5b too) is that they usually won't ripen. Will an astringent persimmon ripen by freezing or must they ripen before winter?
This is a very rare tree here in Central Ohio: in all my years of 'ethnobotany' I've only ever found 2 of them: they taste like orange creamsicles and caramel. This fall I collected up some seeds and and made a couple beds for them. I couldn't find a definitive answer as to whether or not the seeds should be scarified so I scarified half and left the rest as is.
No need to scarify... They need to not lose too much moisture and if you have a mild winter they can do beautifully being planted in the fall wiith nice deep mulch. We store ours in moist sawdust over winter in a root cellar and plant in spring and that works nicely. Good luck!
Longer story, but Dr. Meader who was an amazing plant breeder had a population in New Hampshire. I got seedlings from trees grown out from his research.
I guess in that case you have to plant a certain variety which does not grow so tall. Plants cannot be limited in height growth in general. If you cut them, they will just grow back to their original size. I know this from first hand experience, because my neighbour had cut his pine trees to keep them small, but they grow back to normal size, just with the difference that from the cut, they have a weak spot and in storm the trees were splitting in the middle (Y-shape) falling on our property...
You could prune but I'd suggest not... They are best when shaken out of the tree so why not let them grow how they want and just shake and harvest when you want fruit?
@@edibleacres I am a little concerned about the height these trees can attain and the potential for them to block sun light from other fruit trees as well as my veg garden. There are some constraining factors on my site (the trees in question are on the Southern end of my property as there was no other option for their planting...) and I am trying to work around these issues and still get as much of a yield a as possible across the entire year. That said a 15ft ish....maybe 20ft American persimmon looks like it would be fine but any higher would very likely effect plants/trees with earlier crops. I will likely prune/train as the trees mature. It seems others do prune these trees to adjust shape and attempt to increase yield.
I think the better survival plan would be to plant persimmons to attract deer, shoot the deer and have far better nutrition from the meat than the fruit provides.
How about this as a plan (which is what we do)... Plant a ton of these trees... Share the fruit with all the wildlife knowing that if we ever were hungrier we could hunt deer from an easy location! Right now our freezers are filled with road kill deer and there isn't room for more, so we'll eat that and share the persimmons :)
@@edibleacres I am just not as kind hearted an individual as you seem to be. The deer and rabbits here are out of control and do a lot of damage. Eating them is about the only way to get much of my garden produce.
An integral part of my hunting strategy. For every deer I harvest, planting persimmons on a site helps one or two younglings survive the winter. I want the deer population where I am to thrive!
We do too... I would like to see 100 or more trees in our landscape
My great aunt was an incredible farmer. Her two acres in southern Indiana grew an amazing bounty, from her herb garden to her grapes, staple annuals and yes a huge persimmon tree.
What I remember most are the persimmon cookies she used to make.
We are blessed to have taken cuttings of her grapes and lilacs that still grow and give us delicious jelly and fragrance respectively.
Sadly her persimmons are just a fond memory but they are on my list to start in my own one acre plot to go with the other perennial food bearing trees I've started from Sean's stock the past two years.
You can order canned persimmon pulp from persimmon farms in Indiana. Just do a web search.
For folks that are interested, we hope to have some seedlings available this spring through our website. We renew our inventory on March 1st. Unfortunately we will be doing very limited shipping this spring (we need to get caught up on some key projects) but will always be growing more for fall!
edibleacres.org/permaculture-nurseries - lists amazing nurseries we really believe in that may also have this great plant and others :)
I have tried to find research on American Persimmons as I want to plant a single tree that is able to be self fruiting. The Yates variety would be my preferred choice and many nurseries states that this one will be fruiting without a pollinator tree. When I ask them for research backing this claim there seems to be none available. Do you (or anybody else) have any knowledge or experience that Yates or any other AP cultivars actually will be able to produce quality fruits if planted with no other persimmons nearby?
There are seeds below us at the lake, there are wild persimmon trees can I grab a seed and plant one of those? The deer eat the persimmons.. I'm in Missouri
@@mandersson6754 I wonder if you can graft other varities onto a single tree just in case.
First, your voice and presentation is so pleasing. Second, I've got plans to plant a hundred or so this spring. I understand persimmon trees are strongly dioecious so only about half will produce fruit. But It's going to be awesome.
Love seeing US native fruits, thank you for this. Have planted several named cultivars of American Persimmon here in the UK, I'm setting up a 'fruit savannah' for my Emus.
“I generally like to pack my mouth with six or seven of them and get back to work.” 😂😂
I tried to hold back for this video so my voice wasn't pure mush :)
Good morning all 😊
My old American persimmon drops early in fall (WV). I finally started a bunch from it's seeds last year. Now I'll have to try to get a few of yours if made available. Thanks!
!Buenos dias!
My Yates persimmon holds fruit into the middle of winter here in Missouri.
@@alexriddles492 are they edible before rasin form
IN my area, specifically my parent's property, we are loaded with American Persimmon. I went out a few months ago and picked some seeds out of the forest floor off of a tree that produces heavy. I got them in a bag along with some peat moss stratifying in the fridge. Can't wait to plant some. They are so good but don't eat one that isn't ripe haha. Old times take the seed and cut them in half long ways to predict the weather in the winter. You will see a spoon, knife, or fork. Spoon means you are going to be digging snow, Knife means the wind will cut like a knife. The Fork means it will be a mild winter.
I have three on my property that are wild but no fruits yet. We have Paw Paw that grows wild here too. I have two that I dug up in November and have planted in my orchard.
Neat notes here, I have to cut into some seeds to see what that's all about!
@@edibleacres Try it out and see what you get. You cut them in half long ways. So it on the skinny side length wise.
Great information, thank you! I'm planting 4 Persimmons this fall, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that at least 1 will be female.
thankyou for sharing, another treasure found :).. will have to go to the botanical garden and see if i can find some seeds. was already lucky with finding Paw Paw. fruit and seeds there :)
What a treat! Thank you for sharing!
Persimmon and rosehip jam is absolutely delicious 😋!!!!
Wow, that sounds lovely
@@edibleacres it truly is. Before our fire we had so many blessings with homegrown and wild sourced foods
Your voice is so calming :)
I wonder why the birds and squirrels don't pick the tree clean? Seems strange that there's still fruit on the tree this many months into winter.
They may not know about them yet. I suspect a few more years and the wild life will learn about the fruit.
I can remember growing up in my humble village in Zimbabwe and walking in the forest with my grandmother.. We would stop to eat wild berries and fruits and she would always encourage us to Walk on and we would complain that there was lots more fruit to be had.. She would remind us that there would be other people walking this way who would also like to eat some.. There are birds, animals, a host of insects also dependant on this tree for their food security and If we all ate a little then there will be enough for all... All creatures great n small were born with this knowledge and understanding i believe .. We humans too...maybe we have just forgoten.. We feed wild birds here and it takes a few minutes before its totally crowded because they fly off to tell the others there is food..
Mmmm...Persimmon Pudding.
As a kid my job was to gather/pick persimmons. Clean them. Soak them in mik. Drain, then sieve the skins & seeds and then go about "secret" planting of seeds in the fields & ravines tops around my ruburbian neighborhood using my kid safe tiny, dull hatchet. Tresspassing encouraged.
I never got to mix & bake any pudding untill I was a teenager.
Awesome little story there!
@@edibleacres When I was a kid as a family we gathered & processed a lot of wild food & practiced bushcraft on extended outings up & down the Mississippi River. We lived close by, up on a bluff with creeks running through ravines which emptied into the river. They we packed with paw paw, persimmon & nut trees. Great place for any kid who liked the outdoors.
I've got a bunch planted in my back yard, can't wait till I get fruit!
Im expanding my seed collection and got some of these seeds recently. I didn't realize it took 6-8 years to get fruit from these trees.😯 Im sure they will be worth the wait though. Locally a package of 6 perssimons fruit goes for $9.99😱
Those things make my tongue tingle.
I think if they are undderripe at all they can be super tough to eat.
@@edibleacres I have bought them at the grocery store and decided they are not for me. I have heard that some do not do that to the tongue. It’s great to have food for the animals. Even if you were not to eat any of it, the fact that it is feeding the animals is a beautiful thing. God bless you friend.
They don’t look like a Disney movie apple and still taste good? Thanks for sharing! Persimmon snack 😁👍
I found 2 fruiting persimmon trees on my property that have grown despite being covered by cedars. They were such a blessing to find, if nature can provide in rocky soil covered in cedars I picked the right place. I've taken care not to damage them while clearing the cedars.
Persimmon can grow in such insanely challenging conditions, they are powerful powerful trees..
Adding persimmon to my must plant list.
Our neighbors have a huge tree that reaches over the fence but it must be a different type because likr another commenter said ours drop in November. This is the first year I ever tried one because the one I tried years ago must not have been properly ripe because I didn't enjoy the flavor. I thought the one I had in my storage bucket had gone bad but I tried a bite anyway and it was like delicious pudding. Now I have 5 cuttings now trying to start my own. I am part of the persimmon fan club now for sure and now I want that variety that holds fruit all winter too. 😂💚🌳
They start dropping in November, lots of variety there. If it's possible to save seed definiitely try growing from seed as you get great variation and health that way!
Wow they sound amazing, will need to look up to see what they're called here in northern Europe.
Diospyros Virginiana is their latin name
We're going to try a bit of a guild with some american chestnut and persimmon, and some mixed nitrogen fixing, fruiting and flowering shrubs. Also some small perennial flower beds. The shrubs and flowers eventually getting some shade from the maturing chestnut and persimmon once the system starts to really mature.
Thanks, great video!
Really neat idea. Give a bit of space between the persimmon and chestnut, at least 4-6' feet... I'd think about the persimmon being to the north east ideally of the chestnut so it can grow tall and thin and be over the chestnut but not casting shade onto the chestnut.
@@edibleacres thats great, I am still playing with placement and cutting down some large eastern white pines to make room. Your perspective is very thoughtful and well taken, thank you!
Do you have any for seedlings for sale ?
I need a later in year snack for myself and mostly critters we have been fortunate this season for sure in extended warmth season .
Wild grapes are pretty much gobbled up this past weeks sunny days by cardinals and robins . Seen a Blue heron and Pair of mallards this week and I’m a hour north of you on lakeshore .Spring is around the corner .
We hope to offer a few March 1st when we update inventory.
@@edibleacres ok great. Road trip to pick them up if available. And other of your species of trees. Planting for the future generations I won’t see .
@@BigDan7114 honorable work Mongo!
It’s basically magic.
I agree; cool tree and cold fruit go together. lol lol Also can't forget kool vid lol
Trying out your air prune boxes this year. So far they are GREAT!!! Except the seedling attrition rate is unexpectedly high. I was wandering if you have had an issue with persimmon seedlings dying from some kind of rot at the base of stems? Ive lost quite a few, they grow great then drop leaves and when pulled up show a black withered ring near soil line level. Seems like some fungal attack??? I did use aged wood chips in bottom of boxes, then home made compost then sawdust mulch on top. Ive not had this issue with any of the other seedlings, just persimmon, even the asian pear in same box are not affected. I dont want to use sterile soil, but it seems the persimmon are very sensitive, ANY IDEAS???!!! THANKS!
Not sure what is happening there. Maybe you are over watering?
@@edibleacres Could be, not me but the earth has been overwatering lately! haha I did notice improvement when I removed the sawdust mulch layer around the seedlings.
My mastiff Lyonna forages for persimmons. Have a few mature trees as well as shagbark hickory, the black walnut produced well and the acorn drop was amazing this year. The deer 🦌 forage for the sprouted acorns (gets me thinking if the are any good) 7a north central NC
Looks like an awesome snack to me !!!!
Fantastic!
I'm getting a Meader persimmon this year and I'm very excited. The only thing it'll be missing is the seeds :)
Enjoy!
The deer 🦌 are watching you. When you leave there will be a food rush of animals. Persimmons offers dense calories to hungry winter critters.
I can only imagine how much pleasure they derive from this fruit.
NJ viewer here, I have some persimmon trees in a field that have never fruited in the 20 or so years I've been here. My brother who identified them is an arborist so I'm sure there's no mistake.
Could it be too wet or shaded? We do have a lot of ground water flowing down into a manmade pond.
Could very well be there are no male plants to pollinate. You may be seeing one persimmon that has suckered, that is possible. You may want to plant more trees there!
Zone 3 in the Enchanted Mountains would be planting on a East Slope. Opinion ?
Zone 3 is most likely just a bit too cold. If you can get plants for free or from seed it's worth a shot but I don't think they would be reliably hardy.
Greetings.. Thank you for this information.. I wonder if your vour variety will grow here in Sweden in our Stockholm B zone erea I believe.. I wonder how I can buy some seeds..
THey are very hardy and adaptable, I suspect they'd thrive there.
I want a persimmon tree!
I'm on Long Islad.
I had no idea they held their fruit like that.
They would grow just fine for you there... You'd want a few to have the best chance of good fruit set (need male and female)
Thanks for sharing, are they self Pollinating or do you have male and female trees near by? 👍🏻
There are males in the midst :)
EA, Hello, Must tell you a story about the pie my aunt made me one fall. S he was the type of cook that if she didn't have a exact ingredient she would use "something just like what it was supposed to be" so sometimes you have a mostly just missed it flavor.Well she made me a persimmon pie, she didn't have any brown sugar so she used molasses instead. The only problem with that pie was she used unripend fruit.It was like you dumped baby powder in your mouth!! She later said she used the harder ones because they looked better!!
Ha!
Baby powder pie, just like auntie used to make!
Wow your trees are really tall. How old are they? I’m going to be planting the Asian Persimmons this spring.
These are 11 year old trees. The one we collect from here is particularly happy.
Im in zone 4b canada im trialing these suckers. Im hoping they will ripen in time
I tried 2. The first tasted like an apricot and orange, the second tasted like kerosene. The "every flavor beans" of fruit.
There is a feel for it you need to develop, underripe they are brutal. Perfectly ripe there are few things that taste better in the universe
Hopefully you will have a few persimmon seedlings for sale this spring
Fingers crossed. We'll update inventory March 1st
How old is that tree? Thanks how big was it when you planted
Maybe about 14 years old now, 11 or so when this was filmed. Planted as a tiny 1st year seedling, maybe 6" tall
do you sell persimmon, hazelnut and chestnut rootstock? I'm from Quebec Canada.
I'm afraid we don't offer them to Canada.
You think these are meader or another variety?
I believe they are seedlings from some of Meaders breeding work from way back when
I've had trouble propagating persimmon from seed. I've only tried the seed from one tree, could it be that specific tree? Do you have tips for persimmon propagation? Seems like they may be a late sprouter?
Let me know, thank you!
Seed should be stored cool and moist over winter and sown in rich, deep soil in spring if you have a cold winter like we generally do. Moist sawdust in a fridge in a bag can be a nice approach to store them without drying or freezing...
@@edibleacres I tried to stratify in a moist paper towel in a zip lock bag, stored outside all winter in Northern Indiana. They never sprouted last spring.
They are growing wild in my woods. No extra fruit yet. The animals and birds seem to get them all. 😀. Do you know if they can be pruned to keep shorter? I’m trailing some to see. I pruned some young ones. Time will tell.
If you don't have fruit maybe it's a male tree. Also, persimmons will sucker and grow multiple trunks that look like multiple trees when it's only one.
You could prune them but I wouldn't... Let them grow and they can be shaken out. You'd want to add more seedlings to have better pollination.
Honey and fruit is what the jam kind of tastes like.
I could imagine!
A picture it tasting like a date with a citrus twist
That is a fair descriptor.
Do you think I could get away with growing these in 4a?
I think that is a pretty tough ask but possible. Reach out to Buzz Ferver at perfectcircle.farm since he has Persimmons that may be appropriate for your region.
The problem I have heard about Persimmon in a cold zones like yours (mine is 5b too) is that they usually won't ripen. Will an astringent persimmon ripen by freezing or must they ripen before winter?
So much variation, but we are only growing out persimmons from parent stock that ripen reliably in our cllimate. That is critical.
This is a very rare tree here in Central Ohio: in all my years of 'ethnobotany' I've only ever found 2 of them: they taste like orange creamsicles and caramel. This fall I collected up some seeds and and made a couple beds for them. I couldn't find a definitive answer as to whether or not the seeds should be scarified so I scarified half and left the rest as is.
No need to scarify... They need to not lose too much moisture and if you have a mild winter they can do beautifully being planted in the fall wiith nice deep mulch. We store ours in moist sawdust over winter in a root cellar and plant in spring and that works nicely. Good luck!
incredible that this fruit isnt good until its frozen! in California they are the size of a tomatoes boy are they delicious.
Those are Asian Persimmons. Lovely, but a whole different animal.
dont you have any boars around?
We don't up here.
I’m in 5b. Do you sell them? Any tips on propagation?
We do. March 1st we open for liimited spring sales. Best bet is to save seed in fall, keep moiiist and unfrozen and grow in spring.
Where did you get them from New Hampshire?
Longer story, but Dr. Meader who was an amazing plant breeder had a population in New Hampshire. I got seedlings from trees grown out from his research.
Can these trees be pruned to keep them smaller and still get a good yield?
I guess in that case you have to plant a certain variety which does not grow so tall.
Plants cannot be limited in height growth in general.
If you cut them, they will just grow back to their original size.
I know this from first hand experience, because my neighbour had cut his pine trees to keep them small, but they grow back to normal size, just with the difference that from the cut, they have a weak spot and in storm the trees were splitting in the middle (Y-shape) falling on our property...
I have seen a bonsai persimmon, with fruit.
You could prune but I'd suggest not... They are best when shaken out of the tree so why not let them grow how they want and just shake and harvest when you want fruit?
@@edibleacres I am a little concerned about the height these trees can attain and the potential for them to block sun light from other fruit trees as well as my veg garden. There are some constraining factors on my site (the trees in question are on the Southern end of my property as there was no other option for their planting...) and I am trying to work around these issues and still get as much of a yield a as possible across the entire year. That said a 15ft ish....maybe 20ft American persimmon looks like it would be fine but any higher would very likely effect plants/trees with earlier crops. I will likely prune/train as the trees mature. It seems others do prune these trees to adjust shape and attempt to increase yield.
WOULD YOU SELL ME 5 OF THOSE PERSIMMON SEEDS ?
I'm afraid we don't sell seeds at this point, but may explore it in the future...
@@edibleacres okay, thank you.
Everything says sold out. 😔 Hello from just south of Albany. 🙋♂️
We plan to update inventory March 1st
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Deers are my worst nightmare. They stopped all the tree growth!
Yikes, they have been pretty easy on our trees
I ate a ton of these once and got a horrible stomach ache. Don't eat more than a dozen!
They are very dense with sugar and minerals, I could imagine overdoing it.
I think the better survival plan would be to plant persimmons to attract deer, shoot the deer and have far better nutrition from the meat than the fruit provides.
How about this as a plan (which is what we do)...
Plant a ton of these trees... Share the fruit with all the wildlife knowing that if we ever were hungrier we could hunt deer from an easy location! Right now our freezers are filled with road kill deer and there isn't room for more, so we'll eat that and share the persimmons :)
@@edibleacres I am just not as kind hearted an individual as you seem to be. The deer and rabbits here are out of control and do a lot of damage. Eating them is about the only way to get much of my garden produce.