I know the bare BASICS when it comes to different types of voices so I'm just gonna agree when I see people arguing over mariah being a soprano or a contraulta(or whatev) I just shake my head ngl😅
You can listen to Callas's 1952 Armida by the following link czcams.com/video/okWyIUHTDHQ/video.html She is truly the hallmark of bel canto mastering all convoluted passages of coloratura
Well, the terms and concepts of clasical music don't really apply to popular music,.because the technique and stylings are vastly different. Mariah is called a coloratura for her agility, not because she sounds like a classical coloratura singer. Aside of this Mariah voice is hard to classify, because she has a natural low speaking voice, girly tone in her higher range, but the nodules, the whistle register kinda mess up everything.
She’s also called coloratura because in her prime her voice lacked depth and fullness, it was light and bright but the depth and richness present in for example Whitney’s or Celine’s voice wasn’t here :)
@@bestvocalsbyvocalists849 she’s not a coloratura. She doesn’t sing using her head nor like this. Her head voice is far underdeveloped to be a coloratura.
@@KajiVocals yeah I know, I was trained similarly. Also I did some digging, she was aspired to be a contralto since her voice was deep, but the conservatoire encourage her to be a dramatic soprano. So lemme change my statement
@@yuh8946 I’m currently working on a massive video on her voice (3 hours+ in length), and honestly while her voice is certainly quite rich and brassy, I find that her neutral, natural timbre is still overall quite bright and youthful, and tessitura very high. Her tessitura is so high in fact that it worked against her in some of the heavier repertoire. Particularly the repertoire she tried in 1955-1960. She would struggle to keep the forte and fortissimo in the middle part of the voice in some of these roles. I believe this partly was due to her tessitura and also due to her training as a coloratura. I was quite surprised when I heard how her timbre without any darkening sounds like. Zinka Milanov went on record saying Callas should have always sang lyric and coloratura Bel canto roles because that’s what her voice was.
If this is what a coloratura soprano sounds like, then heaven help us. Apart from the strained ornaments, the tonal color of Callas' voice is too dark and husky to be a coloratura. She is more like a dramatic soprano d'agilita, if that. Callas excelled in Verdi, Puccini, verismo operas, and Bellini's Norma. Sonnambula and Puritani were not for her voice or musical genius. Sutherland, with her extraordinary agility, could manage them and then some. But even she was not really a coloratura soprano in the tradition of Jenny Lind, Henriette Sontag, Adelina Patti, Marcella Sembrich, Luisa Tetrazzini, Amelita Galli-Curci, and Lily Pons.
Have you heard Callas’ 1952 ‘Armida’? I doubt you have if you are calling Callas’ coloratura abilities into question. No other singer, not even Sutherland, could sing dramatic coloratura with such dazzling accuracy and ferocity. Case in point: czcams.com/video/JwVBr7OGyJc/video.htmlsi=RFPbVTnyn-F-yY0I
No,a coloratura sounds like Hills, Moser or Gruberova. These are ugly, strained and forced coloraturas compared to those women. But Callas worshippers are totally blinded.
What i love about coloraturas is their agility is like vibrato they're all so connected and smooth
Years and years of training ❤
Now this mc is the real coloratura
MariaH CallasREY
1:09 those high notes
This is the Diva with the capital D, Mariah Carey who ?
Diaphragm support 💯
which is also simply called 'support'
@@ce3540 true
I know the bare BASICS when it comes to different types of voices so I'm just gonna agree when I see people arguing over mariah being a soprano or a contraulta(or whatev) I just shake my head ngl😅
Mariah carey is so awesome!!!
Oh thay high note was very high!!
You can listen to Callas's 1952 Armida by the following link
czcams.com/video/okWyIUHTDHQ/video.html
She is truly the hallmark of bel canto mastering all convoluted passages of coloratura
Could you one for contralto, so that the people in the back know what that actually sounds like
PLS 😉 alright I’ll try
@@rosemont2283 I sent you a clip of a real contralto.
I need to learn these terms
That makes two of us💀
@@NevahBeMc three bestie 💀💀💀💀
@@r.uwamhenye8282 yayyyyy lambs turning into the light side
@@rosemont2283 ofccccc
Ate idc
Well, the terms and concepts of clasical music don't really apply to popular music,.because the technique and stylings are vastly different. Mariah is called a coloratura for her agility, not because she sounds like a classical coloratura singer. Aside of this Mariah voice is hard to classify, because she has a natural low speaking voice, girly tone in her higher range, but the nodules, the whistle register kinda mess up everything.
She’s also called coloratura because in her prime her voice lacked depth and fullness, it was light and bright but the depth and richness present in for example Whitney’s or Celine’s voice wasn’t here :)
you can’t just apply operatic terms for pop singers like this disregarding what they actually mean.
@@KajiVocals is that not what they said right before your eyes 😭😭😭
@@joshufart9120 No. i was referencing the misusage of the terminology in the latter part.
that's dumb. that application shouldn't exist. it's stupid and illiterate.
I neither know nor do I understand most vocal type terms🧍🏾♂️
What fanbase u from
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@@imNotZack_ 💀💀
What uneducated kids from this generation think Mariah’s music is and when her prime was:
😭
@@rosemont2283 finally you replied you’ve been just Hearting my comments
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@@lanaandthediamonds3651 sorry it’s just that you’ve been writing confusing comments lately
IKR like half of the fandom believes that 😭😭
Grandmausyy
Maria not Mariah
Its super obvious that she's a colatura..Its kinda weird even without telling,I could identify if its a colatura.
some people like some MARIAH FANS I see call a belter like Mariah a coloratura. please 😒
@R.E.MxMimi it’s alright it’s alright
@@rosemont2283 She's a light-Lyric Soprano or Light-Lyric Colatura.But i still think she's a Light-Lyric only
@R.E.MxMimi SAME😭😭
@@bestvocalsbyvocalists849 she’s not a coloratura. She doesn’t sing using her head nor like this. Her head voice is far underdeveloped to be a coloratura.
I wouldn't call Callas a coloratura soprano, more like a lirico-spinto soprano with an upper extension.
Both MCs are New Yorkers, both have powerful, resonant voicee, both are the faces of their respective genres.
…contraltos? Maria Callas’ first role was in Mikado as a lyric soprano, in 1936.
@@KajiVocals according to a documentary (it was years ago idk the title anymore lol) she was trained first as a contralto
@@yuh8946 Most opera students start by training with low tessitura material to not overtax the voice.
@@KajiVocals yeah I know, I was trained similarly.
Also I did some digging, she was aspired to be a contralto since her voice was deep, but the conservatoire encourage her to be a dramatic soprano. So lemme change my statement
@@yuh8946 I’m currently working on a massive video on her voice (3 hours+ in length), and honestly while her voice is certainly quite rich and brassy, I find that her neutral, natural timbre is still overall quite bright and youthful, and tessitura very high. Her tessitura is so high in fact that it worked against her in some of the heavier repertoire. Particularly the repertoire she tried in 1955-1960. She would struggle to keep the forte and fortissimo in the middle part of the voice in some of these roles. I believe this partly was due to her tessitura and also due to her training as a coloratura. I was quite surprised when I heard how her timbre without any darkening sounds like. Zinka Milanov went on record saying Callas should have always sang lyric and coloratura Bel canto roles because that’s what her voice was.
If this is what a coloratura soprano sounds like, then heaven help us. Apart from the strained ornaments, the tonal color of Callas' voice is too dark and husky to be a coloratura. She is more like a dramatic soprano d'agilita, if that. Callas excelled in Verdi, Puccini, verismo operas, and Bellini's Norma. Sonnambula and Puritani were not for her voice or musical genius. Sutherland, with her extraordinary agility, could manage them and then some. But even she was not really a coloratura soprano in the tradition of Jenny Lind, Henriette Sontag, Adelina Patti, Marcella Sembrich, Luisa Tetrazzini, Amelita Galli-Curci, and Lily Pons.
Have you heard Callas’ 1952 ‘Armida’? I doubt you have if you are calling Callas’ coloratura abilities into question. No other singer, not even Sutherland, could sing dramatic coloratura with such dazzling accuracy and ferocity.
Case in point: czcams.com/video/JwVBr7OGyJc/video.htmlsi=RFPbVTnyn-F-yY0I
Sutherland was actually a spinto but transformed into coloratura singing.
But without diction and chestvoice.
Lily Pons...oh dear
are you at the Vocal Gang???
yeah who are you
why
@@rosemont2283 my name is a Mariah’s song
@@flyingbaloon6358 oh? wait can you @ me on the server so I know which one is you. cus rn im not seeing you
@@rosemont2283 i’ve sent a message on Instagram cus Kaji told me who u are
No,a coloratura sounds like Hills, Moser or Gruberova. These are ugly, strained and forced coloraturas compared to those women. But Callas worshippers are totally blinded.
Nope. You’re just a hater. It’s okay! Sounds as if you could be blinded. Can you even sing? 👀
Stop insulting the fans who hail Mariah as coloratura. How cruel
Maria Callas was not a coloratura.
Maybe more a dramatic soprano with agility.
She also sang dramatic roles.
I would say she was dramatic coloratura soprano or soprano sfogato
Her mother is an Opera singer…