Ripped Off by an Ex

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  • čas přidán 2. 09. 2022
  • The plaintiff says she knew the defendant when they were young, and they started dating when they later reconnected. She alleges she discovered he was selling heroin even though he’s a recovering addict. She’s suing him and his sister for stolen money. The defendant insists he’s clean. He and his sister are countersuing for defamation and harassment.
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Komentáře • 689

  • @charleneb.6937
    @charleneb.6937 Před rokem +1027

    He WAS using my Mother. She knew him since they were children. She hadn't seen him in years. He popped back in her life at her Mother's funeral. It broke our hearts and we understood she was going through and looking for something that we told her he didn't have for her. They BOTH took advantage of my Moms broken heart and broke it even more. She only went to the show cause she knew she would win and it meant so much to her to hear Judge Mathis call this man a crackhead. RIP Mommy I love and miss you. #LLDB

  • @aarondaniels8428
    @aarondaniels8428 Před rokem +330

    That dudes brain went into airplane mode after judge asked him what happened to the money.

  • @NubianP6
    @NubianP6 Před rokem +521

    They hustled that woman. Plain and simple.

    • @kayshawnsimmons5585
      @kayshawnsimmons5585 Před rokem +8

      Yes

    • @MsRayBay
      @MsRayBay Před rokem +5

      💯💯💯💯

    • @m.waymire
      @m.waymire Před rokem +10

      Its a shame to knowing that women has a disability and she trusted them to do the right thing with the money and they dogged her. Sad

    • @fhenlizhao5406
      @fhenlizhao5406 Před rokem +2

      😔 really disgusting to know she cared so much for him only for them to use her and disrespect her like that. His sister should have stayed out of their business her brother is WRONG!

    • @yourkeysre
      @yourkeysre Před rokem

      To add insult to injury, called the woman trash. They know, they shot a dope fiend move on her.

  • @mielissa100ify
    @mielissa100ify Před rokem +533

    They took advantage of her and I’m glad the judge saw through it.

    • @gailjames7532
      @gailjames7532 Před rokem +1

      Pl

    • @laquitagiles3706
      @laquitagiles3706 Před rokem +1

      ​@@gailjames7532

    • @laquitagiles3706
      @laquitagiles3706 Před rokem

      ​@@gailjames7532 ppp0111Zhentmt

    • @starrrose9924
      @starrrose9924 Před rokem

      @@gailjames7532 😅😅😊😊😊😮😅😅😊😢😮😊😅 😅😊😊😅😊😅 I 😊

    • @starrrose9924
      @starrrose9924 Před rokem +1

      @@laquitagiles3706 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😅😅😅😅😊😊😊😊😊

  • @tashaterrell7249
    @tashaterrell7249 Před rokem +155

    Him and his sister are lying thieves!! And crack or not, they used that lady for her money. Take him BACK to court for the other 5k

  • @karendorsey4780
    @karendorsey4780 Před rokem +109

    The defendants are scammers! Glad the plaintiff won her case!

  • @mikeaddison5697
    @mikeaddison5697 Před rokem +86

    The sister was in on it also..

  • @WarGrowlmon18
    @WarGrowlmon18 Před rokem +185

    The brother had no defense when she showed proof that he had "lost" her money and promised to pay it back.

    • @stellamiller4746
      @stellamiller4746 Před rokem +2

      And sister didn't either talking that bs.i have several accounts well they need 2 investigate. 4sure

  • @MelsRedPhone
    @MelsRedPhone Před rokem +54

    She thought he loved her and she believed him because of their long family history. He was hustling her the ENTIRE time!

  • @BlkMagickGaia3
    @BlkMagickGaia3 Před rokem +244

    The fact that YOU have to fly YOURSELF to a male, likely paying for the trip and lodging, you know he is not that in to you.

    • @neisci
      @neisci Před rokem +15

      Isn't that safer when you don't know the person?

    • @pamelaarmstrong9640
      @pamelaarmstrong9640 Před rokem +5

      Exactly

    • @LanishiaDiane
      @LanishiaDiane Před rokem +25

      RIGHT , ONE THING ABOUT IT WHEN A MAN REALLY WANT YOU ITS ALOT OF THINGS YOU AINT GONE DO BY YOURSELF

    • @BlkMagickGaia3
      @BlkMagickGaia3 Před rokem +11

      @@neisci if you feel that you don't know the person, why fly to him in the 1st place?

    • @neisci
      @neisci Před rokem +5

      @@BlkMagickGaia3 two in one. Tourism and get to know the person?

  • @unaitithomas1259
    @unaitithomas1259 Před rokem +318

    If I was her I would’ve came at them the same way..... he clearly just wanted to take her money
    So glad that the judge ruled in her favor

  • @Sheherhis
    @Sheherhis Před rokem +207

    JM Is a master at asking questions. He can ask someone a question in the beginning that later on hes going to use to determine who wins the case.

    • @misterbee66
      @misterbee66 Před rokem +20

      A craft.

    • @Sheherhis
      @Sheherhis Před rokem +8

      @@misterbee66 Yes, good word! it is a craft.

    • @misterbee66
      @misterbee66 Před rokem +4

      @@Sheherhis 👍

    • @leeleentony
      @leeleentony Před rokem +13

      This is why i love watching him because unlike judge Judy she jus screams at ppl n doesn't let them speak at all judge Mathis let's them tell everything n he uses his common sense n logic to catch ppl up.
      🙏🙏💯💯🤗🤗

    • @gospel4303
      @gospel4303 Před rokem +3

      @@leeleentony Right! I don’t like Judy judge, she’s ignorant and disrespectful to others. Loud and condescending

  • @unaitithomas1259
    @unaitithomas1259 Před rokem +159

    The sad part is he probably never was even attracted to her smh

  • @dezzydivine25
    @dezzydivine25 Před rokem +35

    They assumed that woman was slow and that they can get over on her and it back fired
    I’m glad she stood up for for herself
    Ain’t nothing slow or stupid about sis

  • @organic4050
    @organic4050 Před rokem +200

    This breaks my heart. That lady was looking for love and they used her. Loneliness is not fun. I suffer from loneliness and it will make you do desperate things. I pray her health and wealth is back and that she finds a man who will truly love her.

    • @diamondbarnes7506
      @diamondbarnes7506 Před rokem +9

      She passed away 🙏🏾

    • @danetspeaks8708
      @danetspeaks8708 Před rokem +5

      @@diamondbarnes7506 oh no I’m so sorry how did she pass away ?

    • @map2930
      @map2930 Před rokem +8

      Loneliness is when you isolate yourself from people and feel sorry for yourself and have no goals or fun in your life. You can have a great life without being in a relationship. Use your brain and be creative instead of sitting down staring at the four walls feeling sorry for yourself. Better to be by yourself than being mixed up with the wrong person. That goes for men as well as women. Make the most of life and enjoy it while you can.

    • @stellamiller4746
      @stellamiller4746 Před rokem

      When she reach out 2 the lord. And only him her eyes will open 2 bigger and brighter things in life.

    • @bludiva27
      @bludiva27 Před rokem +4

      @@danetspeaks8708 This is such a rude question to ask when people pass away. Especially when we don't know them personally.

  • @BestLifeBagLady
    @BestLifeBagLady Před rokem +226

    If he wasn’t an addict he could have flipped that, gave her back her $$$$ and still been good 😩😩😩

  • @UnFamess
    @UnFamess Před rokem +32

    “I’m getting my health back so b!tch I’m coming straight for you!!” I KNOW THATS RIGHT 🤣😂🤣

  • @padussia
    @padussia Před rokem +49

    I can't stand people who take advantage of others. I have no pity for them.

  • @callmemea5844
    @callmemea5844 Před rokem +40

    The sister said “ say something “ 😭😭

  • @dayanalalaandleeah9964
    @dayanalalaandleeah9964 Před rokem +93

    There are some con artists and they got caught doing that woman like that I’m glad she won her case

  • @BreeJaxxs
    @BreeJaxxs Před rokem +49

    The sister got the nerve to tell him to “say something “ baby he’s trifling and caught and that’s why he’s not saying nothing. 🙄

  • @andrewhinds6302
    @andrewhinds6302 Před rokem +30

    He's body language says it all.

  • @monicacurenton196
    @monicacurenton196 Před rokem +148

    Be careful to whom you trust...Amen!🙏🏼

  • @azhairving
    @azhairving Před rokem +111

    I am so tired of people using their recovery program attendance story as some kind of invisibility cloak of innocence. It's a disgusting practice.

  • @marieblyden7512
    @marieblyden7512 Před rokem +106

    Judge Mathis knows when people have crackish ways. The brother and sister duo thought they had an easy target and jumped on her. The sister couldn't even stick to one account he asked her about. So glad the Judge saw right through their lies. You go, Judge Mathis!

    • @ramonagoodman3811
      @ramonagoodman3811 Před rokem

      I love it Crackist ways can tell your a fan bless your heart

  • @kgames1748
    @kgames1748 Před rokem +30

    When that man started testifying you could tell he was lying by his sister's face

  • @jays.5978
    @jays.5978 Před rokem +34

    I didn’t get sibling energy from the defendants… 👀

  • @katherinebarnett3279
    @katherinebarnett3279 Před rokem +47

    Judge Mathis: "You wanna respond to that"
    His sister: *whisper* come on say something
    10:10 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭 he speechless😳😅

  • @treshasmall9441
    @treshasmall9441 Před rokem +18

    That sister collected the money and ripped her off wicked

  • @biggchill8176
    @biggchill8176 Před rokem +31

    But she is stupid for putting money in an account she had no control of. Where they do that?

  • @anthonysturgis3198
    @anthonysturgis3198 Před rokem +18

    There needs to be an uncensored judge Mathis show

  • @indigorose1270
    @indigorose1270 Před rokem +40

    Love that she game prepared for every lie they told!

  • @kayshawnsimmons5585
    @kayshawnsimmons5585 Před rokem +16

    He knows he owes that woman that money

  • @lareece2549
    @lareece2549 Před rokem +8

    The sister seems shady too! They need to look into her finances.

  • @aw5003
    @aw5003 Před rokem +8

    The plaintiff did say she had gotten sick may she RIP, glad she got her money that man was a waste of her time

  • @OneNationUniversal12
    @OneNationUniversal12 Před rokem +32

    They thought cause she has a disability, they could take advantage of her, but they found out, no matter how disabled you are, They will be about they coins 🤣Glad she won, WHAT REALLY GAVE IT AWAY WAS THEY PUT THE MONEY IN HIS SISTERS ACCOUNT, thinking they was gone be slick

  • @blessedgal6901
    @blessedgal6901 Před rokem +15

    So glad Judge Mathis saw through this mess. I hate when people are taken advantage of.

  • @vilmasvacation8599
    @vilmasvacation8599 Před rokem +25

    Brother and Sister thief and con artist

  • @crystalturner152
    @crystalturner152 Před rokem +14

    USERS & LIARS!!! 😡

  • @midwestslotdiva
    @midwestslotdiva Před rokem +29

    Wow!! They clearly took advantage of her. She was too trusting.

  • @briannasmith4549
    @briannasmith4549 Před rokem +6

    Just a terrible excuse for a individual...Sorry to hear the plaintiff passed away 😢 glad she won her case though

  • @shelocsher2396
    @shelocsher2396 Před rokem +19

    Ppl, stop letting other folks into ur finances by telling them what u have, what’s coming ur way, or giving them any kind of control. Money brings out the absolute worse in some ppl. Ur finances = non of their business !

  • @kgames1748
    @kgames1748 Před rokem +16

    I'm never dating anyone from high school lmao

  • @rpcrealpeopleconsulting6324

    Plantiff "I got proof" BOOM!!!!

  • @peacheskong2245
    @peacheskong2245 Před rokem +15

    Ohhh the defendants got caught caught! LMAO not him saying ''HUH'' and having blank stares when the JUDGE is asking him what happened to the money!?? They didn't even prepare a coherent lie smh.

  • @carlawilkinson5831
    @carlawilkinson5831 Před rokem +8

    I would never ever put my money in any account under someone elses' name. No way.

  • @altovisemiller9900
    @altovisemiller9900 Před rokem +19

    They used that woman plain and simple! She trusted him 100% because i wouldnt have gave a recovering addict a dime of my money aint that much love in the world but im glad she won her clearly played her and his sister was in on it.

  • @TexasBorn_TexasRaised
    @TexasBorn_TexasRaised Před rokem +7

    Poor woman so desperate for a man. She's willing to stoop soo low!

  • @bakeembakeem
    @bakeembakeem Před rokem +17

    Loneliness makes individuals do things they would normally never do

  • @kgames1748
    @kgames1748 Před rokem +9

    When u hear "mmh hmm" you know u in trouble 😳🤣

  • @janedougherty3327
    @janedougherty3327 Před rokem +15

    I believe everything the plaintiff is saying. She seems like a very caring person with a good heart. They took advantage of her kindness. People like the defendants will use people. They lied to her face and stole her money. So happy that she won. God bless all of you ❤️

  • @Sunshine134chick
    @Sunshine134chick Před rokem +21

    The defendant is not even a good liar 🤥 not sure 🤔 how she fell for his tricks he’s not all that 😂 I just know judge 👨‍⚖️ Mathis was gonna call him a crackhead

  • @victoriajohnson4760
    @victoriajohnson4760 Před rokem +10

    They took her money smh I’m glad she’s getting her money back

  • @farahsa7127
    @farahsa7127 Před rokem +16

    Wow, he's someone that never grew up, acting and talking like he's still in his 20s

  • @jadaie
    @jadaie Před rokem +19

    YESSS get them together Greg!!! I read right through they BS

  • @neffybaby2273
    @neffybaby2273 Před rokem +27

    First of all sis why are you leaving your money with a Crack head? Secondly sister you should feel embarrassed to stand there and defend your brother who is clearly in the wrong, do better!

  • @kevinharris6458
    @kevinharris6458 Před rokem +6

    His hands 🙌🏾 swollen judge 👨🏾‍⚖️ 😂😂😂

  • @sweetsweet81
    @sweetsweet81 Před rokem +6

    Wow....he straight took advantage of her. I'm glad she got part of her money back.

  • @user-zo5rq4gc9s
    @user-zo5rq4gc9s Před rokem +6

    BE Careful Who YOU Trust... Smh..You Reap What You Sow!!

  • @justmedoingme
    @justmedoingme Před rokem +10

    No way would I have ever did that

  • @Lanie-sl9ne
    @Lanie-sl9ne Před rokem +5

    It must have been one of the last promises she made to herself before passing to paradise period I'm gonna get you if it's the last thing I do! And she did! Good for you JM

  • @mariag5756
    @mariag5756 Před rokem +22

    The sister is just like the brother. How da hell is she going to come and say that she put almost $4,000 in an account that the brother had the card and pin known what he’s up to🤔

  • @tranquilrabies
    @tranquilrabies Před rokem +19

    He's definitely seeming crackish.

  • @karenk3458
    @karenk3458 Před rokem +6

    The sister has the nerves to be mad with the plaintiff she should be mad with her brother.

  • @MsRayBay
    @MsRayBay Před rokem +34

    The thing people fail to understand is that Mathis is a lawyer as well as a judge. Y’all do know that he can immediately spot a scammer or fake person. He’s also from the streets so he can spot that too.
    Just say you scammed and call it a day.

    • @beb5407
      @beb5407 Před rokem +2

      Straight FACTS 🗣️🗣️

    • @YoungRheubottom
      @YoungRheubottom Před rokem +4

      Ma'am...every judge is also a lawyer and a judge.

    • @MsRayBay
      @MsRayBay Před rokem

      @@YoungRheubottom sir, ma’am or IT I understand that but I’m saying folks forget that he has skills to know when they’re running game. That was my point SMART ASS.

    • @elvickRULES
      @elvickRULES Před rokem +3

      Yeah every judge is a lawyer, because you have to be a lawyer to become a judge… a judge is to lawyers what a thumb is to fingers.

    • @MsRayBay
      @MsRayBay Před rokem +1

      @@elvickRULES I know that but I’m saying I think folks overlook that when they go in his court room. They should know this man has skills to spot a scammer.

  • @Janettoi
    @Janettoi Před rokem +4

    Brother and sister both have crackish ways 😂😂 go ahead and break her jaw outside the courtroom lol I'm glad she won

  • @Sunshine134chick
    @Sunshine134chick Před rokem +15

    7:47 He was tryna come up ⬆️ with a good enough Lie 🤥 Skinning and Grinning 😁 knowing he smoked 💨 all this ladies money up 😂😩😩😩

  • @aleshapowell7753
    @aleshapowell7753 Před rokem +9

    I love that lady 🤣🤣🤣🥴 rip beloved may your wonderful soul Rest In Peace 🌹

    • @bluecollarscholarmelrosepa5673
      @bluecollarscholarmelrosepa5673 Před rokem

      Hello Alesha 👁️ did the plantiff pass away recently... saying hello from Melrose Park City Illinois..Sunday October 23rd 2022👁️

  • @Sunshine134chick
    @Sunshine134chick Před rokem +33

    4:20 When Judge 👨‍⚖️ Mathis said got it sex I hollered 😂😂😂😂😩 I hate when men try to downplay the situation but you kept going back for that 😼 so it was something you liked 🙄

    • @amaliomar
      @amaliomar Před rokem +2

      No, that cat kept showing up on his doorstep. Just cause we smash you, doesn't mean we like u or your cat.

    • @moniqueharris5809
      @moniqueharris5809 Před rokem +5

      @@amaliomar then why smash,..and waste time....people need to be honest and straightforward....stop damaging people

    • @amaliomar
      @amaliomar Před rokem +3

      @@moniqueharris5809 predators exist everywhere all the time, why would they tell u the truth. Understand that u r prey and it's your responsibility to decyfer truth from lie. I have to believe some man told u this truth and u refused to believe it.
      Women and truth, oil n water, they just won't embrace each other.

  • @dishawnmoss
    @dishawnmoss Před rokem +4

    This sister said say something 😂😂😂

  • @blasianluvschocolate397
    @blasianluvschocolate397 Před rokem +9

    That wasn't no bad batch. He just told her that..he kept everything 🤣😆😅

  • @justmedoingme
    @justmedoingme Před rokem +20

    I understand this lady anger the way this dude talking you can tell he’s up to know good

  • @funteck_etv
    @funteck_etv Před rokem +7

    The sister wispers like come on say something, hell of a Con artist

  • @generationalcursebreaker5397

    His sister, “ say something “ lol

  • @bbygrlshae8105
    @bbygrlshae8105 Před rokem +8

    The lady in the pink behind the plaintiff(with the bob) had me laughing the whole episode with her face expressions 😭🤣🤣🤣

  • @dominiquejenkins5495
    @dominiquejenkins5495 Před rokem +4

    Yooooooooo judge read tf outta him ......😂☺️

  • @jackharris9835
    @jackharris9835 Před rokem +5

    This woman needs help, she's too old to be moving like this. I hope she's in therapy but I doubt it.

    • @Proverbspsalms
      @Proverbspsalms Před rokem +3

      Her daughter said she’s dead. Somewhere in the comments

  • @Wudahman
    @Wudahman Před rokem +8

    I will always miss your presence grandma u was my favorite person in the world and me seeing this now and seeing how these people did this too you is wrong and im happy that you always stood up for yourself because you wasnt scared i wished that last goodbye wasnt the last one but life goes on as how it is and i know you in a better place i love you grandma and always will even when i die and come see you i will always thank you for what you did and all the love you brought to me #LLDB❤❤

  • @BVaxter
    @BVaxter Před rokem +5

    That's how these old drug dealers keep customers coming to meetings. Oh they clean alright but they will sell that the poison to their brothers. SICKENING

  • @King-Killa-Ca
    @King-Killa-Ca Před rokem +20

    People, Stop trying to BUY LOVE and just Say No to Drugs #Brooklyn

  • @sonhg7951
    @sonhg7951 Před rokem +13

    That happened to me once. But, ask me where that liar is at today? YAH is good!

  • @biggchill8176
    @biggchill8176 Před rokem +6

    Why didn’t she file felony charges

    • @rmd4138
      @rmd4138 Před rokem +3

      Collect that money first!
      Then go after him like a pitbull. 😁

  • @K_Cole0128
    @K_Cole0128 Před rokem +5

    He sounds like a get over and his sister does too. They stole from that lady. They took her for 5K.

  • @dottydizzot5896
    @dottydizzot5896 Před rokem +5

    10:10 (Sis told him to "SAY SOMETHING!) 😆

  • @gemz5692
    @gemz5692 Před rokem +5

    HIM and his SISTER took Advantage of her! So he was PRETENDING to love her but from his admissions in court he wasn't in a relationship with her! He was just USING her! His sister the SCAMMER was just as bad. She knew what her brother was doing and I believe she spent her money also. SAD to hear she passed 😢 but their judgement will come to them.

  • @TimeisNeutral
    @TimeisNeutral Před rokem +25

    The plaintiff I think was on her P's & Q's, she had all her evident with the deposits slips, and text messages she sat back with confident when the defendant came with the harassment charges. She may not have got all her money back. Its hard to trust people, some friends we grow up with, and lose contact with may not be the same person we knew in the past be care people.

  • @noellemartin6332
    @noellemartin6332 Před rokem +13

    it really breaks my heart how the brothas are using women today. have sex with a women in the morning, and have sex with another woman that same night; them u$e them. no value system, straight greed, vanity, and spiritual corruption. even the recovery community done went to crap.

    • @donna1460
      @donna1460 Před rokem

      Very well said I agree😢

  • @adrianprince7266
    @adrianprince7266 Před rokem +89

    I really wanted to defend the defendant but in this circumstance in the particular case I can't. He's a liar and clearly took advantage of the plantiff. The tape recording presented by the plantiff spoke volumes.

    • @wadilotus
      @wadilotus Před rokem +33

      From the intro alone, why would anyone support the defendant?

    • @adrianprince7266
      @adrianprince7266 Před rokem +6

      The defendant should be given the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise which the plantiff did by proving her case against him.

    • @wadilotus
      @wadilotus Před rokem +28

      @@adrianprince7266that would be taking a neutral stance. You wrote you wanted to "defend the defendant" clearly something less partial. Words matter.

    • @adrianprince7266
      @adrianprince7266 Před rokem +4

      Words matter to you but I've made myself pretty clear. My personal feelings are outweighed by the evidence presented. Simple as I can be for you bro

    • @pikachu3763
      @pikachu3763 Před rokem +12

      Bet you did!!

  • @righttoouropinionthanks4710

    Wow! The Defendant & his sister took major advantage of this poor woman, who seems to have an impairment of some kind! They saw this & took advantage! Shame on them both! The man obviously had no intention whatsoever in getting an apartment with her & was just using her for her $!! I would have been mad too! SMH!!

  • @kay22100
    @kay22100 Před rokem +8

    She’s so believable! I 100% believe her ! LOL

  • @mannygetpaid8853
    @mannygetpaid8853 Před rokem +7

    She got the own the part she played in it too. She was Desperate and Desperations always turns out bad.

    • @anndeecosita3586
      @anndeecosita3586 Před rokem +2

      Her mother has just died. When a person is grieving and depressed it can make them vulnerable and make decisions they wouldn’t otherwise.

    • @mannygetpaid8853
      @mannygetpaid8853 Před rokem +3

      @@anndeecosita3586 I heard in this post she also past away in 2017. I still understand what she was going thru at the time and that is when u can't allow No good Men around u when u are vunerable.

  • @janicelowe4530
    @janicelowe4530 Před rokem +3

    Why would you put your money into a bank account with someone who you think is a drug addict. Make it make sense

    • @ronnieking3848
      @ronnieking3848 Před rokem +1

      The sister was supposed to be trustworthy but she gave her crackhead brother the bank card with the pin#. If the plaintiff wanted him to have the money, she would have given it to him directly.

  • @mztara7939
    @mztara7939 Před rokem +11

    Judge Mathis said crackish I am laughing so hard 😂😂😂

  • @BREEZYM6015
    @BREEZYM6015 Před rokem +5

    I've got multiple accounts too. They all have a zero balance. 😄

  • @Ms-jf1bg
    @Ms-jf1bg Před rokem +2

    Lowdown crooks thinking they're sooo smart....

  • @deetheefoodie
    @deetheefoodie Před rokem +3

    I never heard of anyone “making meetings” 🤣

  • @kgames1748
    @kgames1748 Před rokem +8

    Stop telling the verdicts in the comments...
    Jeez can't take yall no where

  • @LibertBelle-dl6xp
    @LibertBelle-dl6xp Před rokem +6

    You gave him your life savings girl?? He didn’t like you like that and then he used you for your money. How sad.

  • @akimat418
    @akimat418 Před rokem +18

    I believe he’s on heroin. He didn’t take his hands out of his pockets.

  • @niajones992
    @niajones992 Před rokem +4

    Judge Mathis saw the defendants for who they were from the very start.