HVAC Training - The Art Of Fixing Holes In Coils

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  • čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
  • ** PLEASE READ THE DESCRIPTION OF THE VIDEO BELOW **
    Putting a screw into a coil by accident. I'm sure that everyone in this industry has at least heard of someone doing just that on a condenser unit.
    As requested, In this video I show how to repair a screw hole in a coil for those of you that have or will come across this situation.
    *These sort of repairs (especially the fin pack repair) typically happens on condenser coils but it was easier to film this process with a small evaporator coil rather than a condenser. These sort or real world repairs are also far more likely to be performed on a commercial application where the coil may cost several thousands of dollars to replace.
    *
    *This is not a repair of a leak due to corrosion of any sort. It is for a repair of a physical crack or hole.*
    It is also great practice to get comfortable with controlling heat on very thin copper piping.
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  • @JLange642
    @JLange642 Před 6 lety +90

    As a 42 year veteran of refrigeration work I must applaud your video! Great work, great technique. I did A LOT of window a/c repairs such as these. Once in a while we would even have to bypass a severely damaged tube in the condenser coil just by tracing out the flow and un-soldering and re-routing a tubing loop on each end to salvage a large condenser. Keep up the good work.

    • @hunterfitzgerald5978
      @hunterfitzgerald5978 Před 6 lety +4

      good job not many people can do that

    • @immanuelbambang.s6479
      @immanuelbambang.s6479 Před 6 lety

      Boxing prediksen gig vs Carmelo wu winer 1000/0

    • @immanuelbambang.s6479
      @immanuelbambang.s6479 Před 6 lety

      JLange642

    • @immanuelbambang.s6479
      @immanuelbambang.s6479 Před 6 lety

      JLange642 buwang

    • @flybyairplane3528
      @flybyairplane3528 Před 5 lety +2

      JLange642 had to do that to 4 passes,,on a large air cooled condenser in a supermarket, ,about 30 years ago,,then a Carrier heat pump, the bracket for the outdoor fan motor BROKE,,cut up the coil,,had to make ‘jumpers for 5 tubes, had the blade & bracket delivered to me,,, all worked well, , my boss could not believe the damage..,,was a Bank, it’s only heat, an R22 system, about 20 years ago
      , now been retired some 17 years. from Maplewood NJ

  • @carlmccoy662
    @carlmccoy662 Před 6 lety +83

    A customer that has you do a repair, such as this, has no idea how fortunate they are

  • @vincentrogers8586
    @vincentrogers8586 Před 3 lety +9

    Great video. For someone who has never done a repair in the fin pack, this video was EXACTLY what I needed. Thank you! (many times over).

  • @gabrielvillanuevaiii3926
    @gabrielvillanuevaiii3926 Před 5 lety +3

    Years ago, i put a screw that was too long on a Goodman package unit when i was a pm tech. I learned that day first hand” the art” of coil repair. Great video

  • @ParabellumX
    @ParabellumX Před rokem

    I truly appreciate you showing us this video. It has definitely helped increase my brazing skill.
    Thank you so much.

  • @davidallegro3395
    @davidallegro3395 Před 5 lety

    Like the others have been in the field for almost 20 years just learned A couple of years ago that they make aluminum solder sticks which works excellent but you have a very nice technique you’re slow you take it easy and you do it right thank you for the video!

  • @achdiagnostic7773
    @achdiagnostic7773 Před 6 lety +18

    Great repairs. Done many myself the exact same way. Brazing is a skill that can make life easy or break you. The point of your video is lost on some. Not everything can get replaced. Sometimes you have to use the training you went to school for instead of just selling a new unit. I'd rather be a good technician than a good salesman.

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      +Michael Paddack I agree. Thanks for watching Michael.

    • @markbeiser
      @markbeiser Před 6 lety

      Exactly!
      Also, you need to have the skills and ingenuity to handle odd circumstances, like storm damage to a mission critical piece of equipment, etc..

  • @harryhathaway1086
    @harryhathaway1086 Před 5 lety +9

    I usually put a indentation around the hole with an awl to create a funnel shape before brazing.The brazing rod will puddle with more strength.

  • @ingfarauz
    @ingfarauz Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks for the video. Now i have more confidence fixing mine.

  • @technician9722
    @technician9722 Před 5 lety +1

    Thank you for taking the time to post this video.

  • @skiesburngrey
    @skiesburngrey Před 5 lety +1

    Great job this actually happens to be my specialty lol every time it’s needed (frozen heating coil,Chilled water coil, or condensate rot (steam) or as you mentioned screw punctures I get the call. Awesome to see a video about it this does take quite a bit of skill to do

    • @justicebruno5249
      @justicebruno5249 Před rokem

      Question.. are you have to remove the coil 100% of time. Hopefully I'll get lucky and can reach the leak

  • @polarblairhvac9749
    @polarblairhvac9749 Před 5 lety +8

    Great video my friend. I used to never fix coils by the fins... I was always worried the pipe would be too thin to braze without melting, until my cousin who is a roofer dropped a nail off the roof and it fell into the condenser fan and the fan hit the nail into the coil... so trying to save him money I brazed it and it worked fine. Since then I always give the customer the option to try the repair first. Keep em coming friend.

    • @matttzzz2
      @matttzzz2 Před 10 měsíci

      Something similar happened to me a few days ago. My box cutter knife fell out of my pocket and sliced into the condenser coil, gas flew out until empty

    • @richardworden9747
      @richardworden9747 Před měsícem

      If I fix a hole in a coil pack . Do I need to vacuum out the line before I install free on it

    • @ronmtz2531
      @ronmtz2531 Před 29 dny

      ​@richardworden9747
      Yes, you have opened system to ambient...

  • @drifter436
    @drifter436 Před 6 lety +1

    Thanks so much. Learned alot from you're video's. Keep them coming.

  • @michaelcostello6991
    @michaelcostello6991 Před 6 lety +3

    Thank you. very interesting to see this job completed.

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      Michael Costello Thanks for watching

  • @LexVance
    @LexVance Před 6 lety +7

    Wow lots of value on your channel. Great video man!

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      Lex Vance Thanks Lex! I appreciate that man. I really enjoy your channel too!

    • @LexVance
      @LexVance Před 6 lety +1

      HVAC in SC Wow really! Right on man! I've been binge watching your vids. 👍😂👍

  • @grayfurnaceman
    @grayfurnaceman Před 5 lety +5

    A bit of semantics here. Don't demote your work by calling it an art. Its a skill and you did it well.
    GFM

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 5 lety +4

      Art is a skill that not everyone can perform. This is no different in my eyes. Thanks

  • @tommyboy.357
    @tommyboy.357 Před 5 lety +1

    Excellent training video!

  • @tonykeith1244
    @tonykeith1244 Před 6 lety +27

    Good job brazing that up. You can also take some copper wire and wrap around the hole and Braze the copper wire to the pipe. Helps keep solder from getting into pipe.

    • @disguy2003
      @disguy2003 Před 5 lety +1

      Never thought of that some t-stat cable would be great for a brace.

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 5 lety +13

      Any copper wire will work fairly well. When I've had to make a quick patch I prefer to use some snips and cut a patch out of a piece of copper pipe. Much cleaner than the wrapped wire.

    • @shawnd567
      @shawnd567 Před 5 lety +1

      Awesome idea!

    • @shanebehm8251
      @shanebehm8251 Před 4 lety +1

      Good tip bro.

    • @shanebehm8251
      @shanebehm8251 Před 4 lety +5

      Or try cutting a coupler hotdog style and lay the half over the hole and braze away...

  • @davidl2281
    @davidl2281 Před 3 lety

    Job well done, can tell you take pride in your work.

  • @Zerofukstogive
    @Zerofukstogive Před rokem

    Wow a real surgeon when it comes to HVAC. Very impressive

  • @jeffreykreft5442
    @jeffreykreft5442 Před 5 lety +1

    You make this look easy, but if you've never done this befor it is challenging. Thanks for the video

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 5 lety +1

      +JEFFREY KREFT Absolutely! Trust me, I butchered many braze joints over the years. 😆 Practice makes perfect.
      Thank you for watching!

    • @robertbell525
      @robertbell525 Před 5 lety

      Experts always make it look easy. What we don't see is all the practice it took to become an expert.

  • @nickledimez4012
    @nickledimez4012 Před 5 lety

    Nice job and video clarity! Thank You!

  • @stevengao8345
    @stevengao8345 Před 4 lety

    thanks for this wonderful video, learn a lot, i am really a beginner here, may i ask what kind of torch or gas the host was using to soldering the hole ? thanks

  • @shawnd567
    @shawnd567 Před 5 lety +2

    Wow that braze job was near perfection. Way better than anything I've ever seen. Could you also build up a hole like that with Stay Brite 8?

  • @jimc6481
    @jimc6481 Před 6 lety +2

    Excellent video sir....very nicely done. Thanks!!

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      Jim C Thanks for watching Jim!

  • @FacetsOfTruth
    @FacetsOfTruth Před 5 lety

    Great teacher! Thanks for sharing.

  • @nothankyou5524
    @nothankyou5524 Před 5 lety +1

    Nicely done.

  • @matthewoglesby1007
    @matthewoglesby1007 Před 5 lety

    Thank you for this video. Do you have any pro tips for running duct work?

  • @jaigobinbhi9804
    @jaigobinbhi9804 Před 6 lety +2

    Excellent vid.. like how u explained it👍

  • @jameswasher3938
    @jameswasher3938 Před 5 lety

    Nice work. Thanks for the video.

  • @uwugaloo
    @uwugaloo Před 6 lety +2

    Very cool! Thanks for sharing!

  • @KungFuMaintenance
    @KungFuMaintenance Před 6 lety +12

    Often these are tricky to locate in the fins! ~ Excellent vid tips!!

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety +2

      KungFuMaintenance They certainly an be. Thanks for watching man!

  • @lebronjordan802
    @lebronjordan802 Před 5 lety

    First time seen your channel/video I'm impressed, thanks for sharing 😁!

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 5 lety

      +Lebron Jordan Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!!

  • @lionanddoveprojectmanageme8523

    Great video. Very clear instructions!

  • @WhiteGS
    @WhiteGS Před 6 lety +1

    Awesome vid. Thanks for the tutorial.

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      WhiteGS Thank you and thanks for watching!

  • @JeaHSaren
    @JeaHSaren Před rokem

    If you have a hole like the one at the end of the video in the condenser fins, is that not a problem? How would I repair the fins in that state?

  • @fespinoza287
    @fespinoza287 Před 6 lety +3

    Thanks for this video brother. I watched it this past weekend. In class tonight a guy in my group burnt 2 holes into the suction line when trying to braze. They were going to cut it out and fix it that way. I said let me try something and I patched them both, no leaks. Great videos bro, keep it up!

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      fespinoza287 Awesome! Thanks for your comment brotha!

  • @MrMultitool
    @MrMultitool Před 6 lety +1

    Great looking repair.

  • @mariobryant8803
    @mariobryant8803 Před 4 lety

    Absolutely amazing

  • @jonmitchell6722
    @jonmitchell6722 Před 26 dny

    I am relieved to see that this happens sometimes because I just put a screw into my condenser coil and I am still cussing . Thanks so much for this video 👍

  • @edgar20109
    @edgar20109 Před 2 lety

    Great video!!! Thanks for sharing

  • @danieltapias9116
    @danieltapias9116 Před 2 měsíci

    Well explained, thanks!

  • @jdjohn2072
    @jdjohn2072 Před 6 lety +1

    Great job

  • @brandonhvacants2217
    @brandonhvacants2217 Před 5 lety +1

    Nice work. I always feel good after saving my customer some money on a mistake made by one of my fellow HVAC techs or myself. Sometimes the customer is not grateful even with a solid repair line these.

    • @richardberends7792
      @richardberends7792 Před rokem

      Why would you charge to fix a mistake you made? And then they have something that has already gone through a break and repair process without having ever used it.

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před rokem

      Richard, it's called a TEMPORARY fix. Unless you like your tech to just let you melt while your parts get ordered. And who said anything about charging anyone? 🙄 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

  • @ryanbabin8011
    @ryanbabin8011 Před 2 lety

    You made that look to easy nice job👍

  • @vinnymac8127
    @vinnymac8127 Před 6 lety +1

    Great video! Very informative.

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      Vinny Mac Thanks for watching Vinny!

  • @nevermind6049
    @nevermind6049 Před 5 lety +4

    For coils I’d go with a turbo torch or map blowtorch just saves u from blowing out the copper they make it so thin nowadays also ur practice is better spent on the tube sheet seeing leaks form there regularly and it’s a more challenging process

  • @oldskipper1394
    @oldskipper1394 Před 6 lety +4

    I've done many of these repairs, relatively easy. The tough ones are the ones where the leak is in the tubing coming through the fin pack wall. You should do a vid on that!

    • @actechformallyyomama746
      @actechformallyyomama746 Před 5 lety

      Oldskipper 1 that is called the tube sheet. I’ve repaired many of these leaks. I use 15% solder and flux. Weld the tube and tube sheet together. This is a last ditch effort. No warranty hope for the best. Once the coil starts leaking your just chasing leaks.

    • @akhermit5213
      @akhermit5213 Před 5 lety

      I will sometimes bypass the tube, especially on large condenser coils.

  • @technicaintrainer7010
    @technicaintrainer7010 Před 10 měsíci

    Nice technique and instruction

  • @jamesreyna4252
    @jamesreyna4252 Před 5 lety

    Good video ! Keep em coming

  • @charleslambertjr3842
    @charleslambertjr3842 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for your video, I am about to try this repair for my first time,
    this video gives me confidence..:-)
    We have a Reem HeatPumps
    Allot of our units have a problem where a small crack happens at the joint where the small low pressure switch pipe connects to the larger tube - the soldered seal at the joint cracks- it’s not an easy spot to get at ,
    And our units are on the rooftops sitting on sketchy platforms....;-)
    Thanks for the help..:-)

  • @jonhvac
    @jonhvac Před 6 lety +4

    Very good vid Bradley my boy👍 I've never put a hole in a coil 😂

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety +4

      Jon HVAC I've only done it for training purposes but I've had to perform this repair 3 times for apprentices that have "screwed" condenser coils. 🤣

  • @gilgonzalez9530
    @gilgonzalez9530 Před 6 lety +2

    Nice job

  • @MrsTashaG
    @MrsTashaG Před 4 lety

    Thank you very much for the video!

  • @khalidsr1
    @khalidsr1 Před 5 lety

    Great work. Thanks

  • @jpenn727
    @jpenn727 Před rokem +1

    Damn that is so great work.

  • @pinotte23
    @pinotte23 Před 5 lety

    I have a Surefire T757 and an "ordinary" 14.1 oz propane tank. What kind of brazing rod (silver brazing?) was used? The hole is about 1/16 " and was made by a nail. Would soldering (lower heat and I don't have nitrogen) with plumbing soldering would be good since the hole is so small?

  • @Manteego25
    @Manteego25 Před 5 lety +1

    Great work!

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 5 lety

      +Terry Stringer Thank you!

  • @honolulu1476
    @honolulu1476 Před 5 lety

    Thanks for the video

  • @basarchaakum1444
    @basarchaakum1444 Před 3 lety

    Nice video! Will that coil still work properly with that big hole in the fins?

  • @yungchan8914
    @yungchan8914 Před 5 lety

    what if its a tiny pinhole leak, do you need to remove freon from the whole system before braze? and does propane gas bottle work instead of oxyact gas?

  • @acesarghhh
    @acesarghhh Před 5 lety

    I have one that blew a big hole in the curved end. Can the entire curved end be replaced or fixed?

  • @SuperJeremi10
    @SuperJeremi10 Před 5 lety +6

    I had this done on a rooftop unit of ours it started leaking it is an older unit but didn't want to pay to have a crain lift it off the roof so. Had it patched unit is a late 80s early 90s unit it has been holding for bout 4 years now.

  • @leonardmedina5260
    @leonardmedina5260 Před 4 lety

    watch video very well explained and very well helpful and presented and its what i need to see Thank u much

  • @kimoarmstrong3519
    @kimoarmstrong3519 Před 6 lety +2

    I was wondering if you used any flux. I didn't see any. I always find it helps bond the silver braze. Also I use a razor knife to cut away fins by the repair to be done and push them out of the way. Sometimes it leaves more fin for heat exchange later.

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety +1

      Kimo Armstrong No flux used. If I was using silver solder I would but just 15% rods I just clean and braze.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @BAT-man...
    @BAT-man... Před rokem

    Hi HVAC in SC, first off - thank you for a really great video!
    Quick question - If the hole in the finned tubing was large, say a half inch longitudinal one, and almost as wide as the tube itself, would you cut out the hole portion, clean off the fins left/right, swage a piece of 1/4" tube on both ends, and try to insert it as a fitting onto the coil tube and then braze/solder that?

  • @curntischavis7788
    @curntischavis7788 Před 2 lety

    Great work man

  • @jddr.jkindle9708
    @jddr.jkindle9708 Před 6 lety +2

    Good job - thanks for the share

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      jd dr.jkindle Thanks for watching

  • @quitle58
    @quitle58 Před 6 lety +2

    Awesome!

  • @raviyadav8743
    @raviyadav8743 Před 5 lety

    Great job and nice information

  • @marcegzlz
    @marcegzlz Před 3 lety

    Great Job!

  • @usshepburn1
    @usshepburn1 Před 6 lety +1

    very good video ! Thank you for well done video .

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      Thank you and thanks for watching!

  • @nukebot11
    @nukebot11 Před 4 lety

    can you do the same thing with an evaporator, if the pipe has leaked, underneath the fins?

  • @sethdriv
    @sethdriv Před 6 lety +1

    Awesome job

  • @ekokostra7800
    @ekokostra7800 Před 5 lety

    Thanks for sharing

  • @vacate81
    @vacate81 Před 5 lety +2

    Does this work for aluminum coil as well

  • @jbejyz
    @jbejyz Před 5 lety

    Nice video, for the second brazing,How do u fix the removed aluminum fin?

    • @pauleohl
      @pauleohl Před 5 lety

      The fins don't get fixed. Maybe you are making a joke.

  • @appliancerepairshorts
    @appliancerepairshorts Před 6 lety

    Great work bro

  • @godsstepson1495
    @godsstepson1495 Před 5 lety

    Do you cool the off with a wet towel as soon as the braze is finished ? Or do you let it naturally air cool? Sorry if this question is silly im just getting into the field and want to minimize any bad practice i may of learned!

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 5 lety +1

      +godsstep son Usually I give it a out 30 seconds just so there is no chance of potentially cracking the joint.
      Thanks for watching.

  • @justicebruno5249
    @justicebruno5249 Před rokem

    Is there a interior sealant for small leaks? Some said something about using it. But great video. We learned to braze with oxygen acetylene.. two thin pieces of steal... Remind me of filling a hole in a car body. My coil froze and tech said it was cracked.. was just gonna replace air handler. But heck.. why not try

  • @deanmartin1966
    @deanmartin1966 Před 6 lety +2

    Good video

  • @hegerwalter
    @hegerwalter Před 5 lety

    Do have any videos of a leak on the side of the evaporator coils, where the coils meet?

  • @airmechanical7163
    @airmechanical7163 Před 6 lety +1

    Great video.

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      Air Mechanical Thanks for watching!

  • @gregmiracle9560
    @gregmiracle9560 Před 6 lety +2

    Nice!! 👍👍

  • @Hextech25
    @Hextech25 Před 6 lety +1

    Good job

  • @HowToDoitright
    @HowToDoitright Před 5 lety

    What type of brazing material should I use for copper to copper?. I have to install a filter dryer on the liquid line

    • @nevermind6049
      @nevermind6049 Před 5 lety

      Anything will work anything. But most people like 15% silver I’m pretty sure anything that calls it’s self solder will hold in a tight joint so long as u don’t mix soldiers

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 5 lety

      Solder will not work. Must be braze if it is used on 410a with the exception of Staybright8. I prefer 15% SulFos rods for copper to copper but other types of brazing rods are required for different jobs and metals.

  • @tomcam77
    @tomcam77 Před rokem

    Awesome 👏🏻

  • @waynemiles7027
    @waynemiles7027 Před 6 lety +1

    Great vid.

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      Wayne Miles Thanks Wayne!

  • @officialmultie
    @officialmultie Před 3 lety

    Good stuff! Thank you

  • @Stevehevessy
    @Stevehevessy Před 6 lety +3

    Nice repair,iv also seen guys wrap copper wire over the hole before they braze

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      steve hevessy About 20 years ago I knew a guy that used pennies. lol
      Although it seemed to work, I prefer the method I used in the video.
      Thanks for watching!

    • @davejohnsonnola2758
      @davejohnsonnola2758 Před 6 lety +3

      That sounds like an old school way to avoid what was the first thought on my mind... which was if I am filling the tube with sil-phos and blocking the flow of refrigerant. Think I'll set up a test rig with a series of holes in a pipe, do the repair and then cut the tube longitudinally to see what's happening inside.
      HVAC in SC, thanks for taking the time to video, edit and share.

  • @cariodelgado742
    @cariodelgado742 Před rokem

    Nice job and nice video

  • @xtremecomfort7799
    @xtremecomfort7799 Před 6 lety +1

    EXCELLENT!!!!!

  • @kseries1982
    @kseries1982 Před 2 lety

    Do you patch that hole now on the fins or just leave as is?

  • @davidharmon8073
    @davidharmon8073 Před 6 lety

    Good job.looks good

  • @keithhoward8651
    @keithhoward8651 Před 6 lety +1

    Thanks for the info

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      Keith Howard Thanks for watching Keith

  • @nathancarney3373
    @nathancarney3373 Před 5 lety

    Nice repair

  • @Bolsenju
    @Bolsenju Před 5 lety

    li saw the compressor oil in those pipe can we solder?(sorry my bad english)

  • @nicholecrouch311
    @nicholecrouch311 Před 4 lety

    So I have a question about the fixing of the tubes curly coils types whatever the hell you want to call them is it possible to fix 1 that's in the fins using a brazing rod because my window unit I just discovered earlier this morning the fins started separating Orwell I don't want to say started they have separated sometime during of being stored I guess it got hit with something and I noticed that there isn't a axle tube in the middle of it it's just a bunch of the fins and there flared out one into the other on the intake side of my window unit I can't afford to put replace my window unit but I do have brazing stuff around is it possible to fix that stuff or will I just be melting aluminum as soon as I touch my torch to it

  • @UnTamedMustang
    @UnTamedMustang Před 6 lety

    Thanks guy! I got a new job building/brazing starting monday and now i have an idea how to braze a hole.
    Hopefully they don't work me like a robot at a sweatshop/assembly line.

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety

      +UnTamed Mustang No problem guy. Thanks for watching.

  • @mychoclabwinston
    @mychoclabwinston Před 6 lety +2

    Great vid, but with today's coils, all aluminum, , customer needs a new coil, your techniques are wicked awesome, learned a lot, keep up the great work

    • @HVACinSC
      @HVACinSC  Před 6 lety +1

      +mychoclabwinston Thanks

    • @marksteven3534
      @marksteven3534 Před 5 lety

      Mot necessarily as you can use Lucas Milhaupt Flux Cored Aluminum Braze Al822 to do an Al repair.