This Makes Magic Cards Impossible to Fake Well
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2023
- If you know where to look, it's almost impossible to pass a counterfeit Magic: The Gathering card under your nose. Here are 3 easy tests to run on any cardboard to know if it's a fake.
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You can rip it in half to check for a blue core!
might not wanna do this with 4th edition cards, as some of those have black core paper.
oh and it ruins the card.
Nope the fake one have this also. I riped a 100% fake card from a curios webside and id had this blue core in it.
Also older cards or "special versions" didnt have this on it. See the old boarder cards.
I was looking for a proxy card and get one. If i didnt had the original i cant tell the difference.
Why you wanna fake money if you can fake a peace of card near perfection.
Oh I better check if my one of a kind One Ring card is real or not!
@@midnogreen8405 if i had the rig to print my own cards i would be doing it for personal use only.
@@derpherpington3129 i use fake cards as aproxy and nobody can tell its real or not. for some people its kind of a "wakeup moment"
i mean why should i spend over $100 for 1 card in all my commander decks, when i can buy a near perfect playset of that card for less than 2 bugs.
Best way to test if it's fake is to see if it's starts curling after sitting on a desk for 10 minutes. If it doesn't curl you have a fake
Only applies to newer foils though XD
@@StefFaFaFa foils? Dude newer cards that aren't foils come out of the booster precurled
I pulled a master peice mana crypt and it was curled like a pringle lol
.. and we still buy these cards. In the end of the days WotC is right, we are walking wallets.
@@peterwalzer8163 I ain't bought cards in years. I got a few edh decks I built in 2014 and now I just proxy cards whenever my friends play or I play on cockatrice
You can also eat the card. Real magic cards have a bitter taste to them due to the paper/ink combo wotc uses.
Can confirm. This person knows what they're talking about.
if you eat foil cards they will taste like pringles if they are real :)
Eating the card explains the card.
@@everchosenlily 😆
It is very addicting though
Light test , green dot test, and looking at the pattern of rosettes against the black ink are usually the best 3 ways to spot a fake.
The green dot is what the bootlegmtg subreddit talks about so I’m inclined to think that’s the most accurate test.
How do you do rosettes test? Aren't they different between different sets?
@@aiwaiwou3556 you compare them to a known exemplar from that set.
Just do the green dot. I have seen plenty of good fakes that pass the light test, weight test, holo stamp, and rosettes. They can never pass the green dot test though
@@khub5660 old thread but I've heard from some youtuber that the japanese only test the green dot. Rest gets passed nowadays anyway.
Ironically, I'm probably more interested in buying fakes than real cards nowadays
There are high-quality, single-sided proxies for a dollar each or less, sometimes saving you tens of dollars. Not a bad deal.
@SimpleVisionVideos Tens of dollars? I've bought plenty of proxies, and I've saved hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. Nobody around the kitchen table cares if my black lotus is a fake. They all want one too.
@@SimpleVisionVideos Bruh I sold my collection almost 20 years ago and recently I wanted to remake a deck... looked at the price of a Lion's Eye Diamond (I used to have 4) and they're almost $400 each
no way I'm buying real cards LMAO
genuinely no one should ever care and im glad with proxies and the singles market that i never ever have to buy a product directly from wotc.
I got ‘proxies’ so good, you couldn’t tell and no one is going to dismantle your deck and card to test it :P, i remember playing at a star city games event and this dude in top 8 had many fake cards, you couldn’t tell
Not sure how accurate this is, newer fakes definitely have convincing stamps that are embedded in the card, complete with the little mana symbols or other safeguards. The best way to tell remains to be just checking the saturation on the back and doing the dot test.
Also double checked my mana symbols on some of my fakes and they seem to be of similar quality to those on reals. Besides, if you have a loupe, just do the green dot test.
This. Yeah I've already seen fakes that are almost *higher* quality than originals but they always fail the two tests you mentioned.
What two tests are these?
What's the dot test? Never heard of it
@@guilhermedomingosdosualdo1836 the color on the back is often much different on fakes and the dot test can be done with the naked eye but preferably a magnifying glass. The green marble on the back of the magic card (signifying green) will have pixels or dots of red in the shape of an L if it's real I believe.
I wouldn't go by the planeswalker sticker or weight. While it's more expensive to fake its still incredibly easy to do so. A lot of Chinese fakes pass both of those tests. We call them wish cards at my store because you often find them through wish. The mana symbol test, light test on non-foils, and red dots on the green symbol on back are more reliable and harder to fake. Also on most product you can feel the edges looking for raised edges from stamp cuts, issue with that test is the baldurs gate cards fail it and some newer secret lairs do as well.
I got a kaladesh pack from target and pulled a mana crypt master piece. The guy at the card shop told me it was a fake because of the weight. I took it to another shop and the weight was exactly on point and found out it was just a scale difference. I really thought target was about to sell me a fake booster pack lol
You know im going to fake the 001/001 one ring with the foil treatment without regard for those safeguards.
I'm just gonna get it from a proxy maker to see how well they made it.
I'm going to create one that says 002/001 and see if I can convince any of my friends that it's real.
There are newer Cards that will fail the Mana Symbol test as they do not always have this sharp look on all cards (e.g. check your black/white style eternal wanderers).
With 1 ring being so expensive and packs being random its time we label magic for what it is...gambling
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These "random" masterpieces or whatever are extra gambling since adding "mythic" rares wasn't enough gambling for your average magic pack opener.
This is only possible to see with a jewellers loupe, but the foil stamps have 'WIZARDS" repeated in tiny writing. I think this came in around magic origins, so the first generation of foil stamps wont have them.
You can see it with a macro lens. My buddy sent me pictures of a real one and proxy and they were identical.
Unfortunately, sometimes you get a faulty print with no holographic stamp. I've had this happen in multiple products from official sellers. Things like duel decks and from the vault. Speaking of from the vault..
Apparently there are a lot in MOM
Don't forget that the green dot on the back of the card always has these little red dots in the white area that can be seen with a microscope.
Sadly doesnt work for DFCs
All three of these methods have been defeated for a few years. The light test, rosette comparison, and the red dot tests are still undefeated currently.
My buddy got sold a bunch of proxies without the seller knowing they were proxies. We knew they were proxies because it included things like a moat and a foil stronghold sliver queen. He took his macro lens taking pictures of them and they were flawless, even with the holographic thing at the bottom. The reason we could tell is theres a middle fibrous sheet that is often a blue color, the proxies used a black one.
At this point, they should've made their own currency.
Except the cops are less likely to get you for selling a fake card versus fake currency that will definitely get you busted
Thanks for the advice! Now I know which thinks to look out for that might give it away
I remember opening a definitely real pack of Commander Masters from our LGS and my rare was Staff of Domination. It was a crazy misprint, it literally had no sticker
The funny thing is, you can remove the motif from the cards with nail cleaner. Take a cheap Rar card and clean it, then you have a blank card with the right weight and original stamp. Now print the expensive picture on it and you only have the print as a sign of recognition.
This is actually really useful. Thank you
I feel like you pointing this stuff out will make counterfeiters better at what they do
I don't know if "unnecessarily expensive" is a concept that even exists with a preorder price of 100k.
Boy oh boy, did this age hilariously with Post Malone buying the One Ring for 2 mil
I like how two of the thing you say you end with "probably fake" but I agree it's nuts haha
I've had one of those stamps come off on an earlier rare from the first set they put them on, real as I pulled it from a pack from a booster box from an official distributor
If you have a decent quality magnifying lense, you can check the back of the card on one of the mana colours, there should be 4 red dots on in a specific order on a specific mana colour
The green mana orb on the back has a blue L too you can check it with a magnifying glass. It’s either the green orb or red.
This is exactly why I quit playing to many cards for too much money I won't even play virtual anymore
The light reflection is the thing that exposes most counterfeits
throw a card into a blender so you can tell which one is blending faster.
I actually have a copy of Sram, Senior Edificer misprinted without the holo stamp at the bottom
Real cards are centred well...
Real cards are better quality and dont just curve...
Real cards are...
Hol up... the fakes look more real.
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The weight isn’t a good indicator for recent cards
The green dots are the only true and valid check for newer card
Yugioh has been doing the holographic stamp for every card
Alright so don’t skimp on card stock, buy a holographic printer and print the mana symbols last, print red dots in the back circle. Great advice man thanks
For the holographic part It might be a fail printer. Expensive but if you produce enough you might turn a profit
Gotta save this short! Thnx
Ive seen some fakes that meet all the same criteria. Newer cards from proxy king have almost mastered proxies/fakes.
Welp… let me take out my uncle’s trusty ole scale 🤫
I’ll keep this in mind when buying… and when ordering proxies😂
Actually having a loupe in my house is useful for something now I suppose
I bent a new atraxa and ruined it in the process.
When you can sell it for possibly 100Gs, those safeguards are worth the cost of impersonating. It only takes 1 sucker.
It also has a Blue layer in the middle of the card , between the front and back of the card you can see by ripping the card (only check these on like, basic lands and cards you’re 110% certain are fake
How can a card that’s not in circulation already have a price tag?
100,000 dollars is quite optimistic.
Currently THE one of a kind Yugioh card is auctioned off and last I checked bidding is already at a million
That was just one guys baseline offer. So at very minimum if you follow his instructions he will do 100k.
You look like Ted Mosby. Other than that... Great content!!
You are unfortunately correct 😅
I find it hard to believe that counterfeiting isn't profitable in a game where your basically printing 20+ dollar bills.
Its easier to fake the old stuff, put it in a fake grading slab with the numbers off of a real graded card and sell for $500-1000 a pop rather than trying to mass produce $20 cards people will actually touch. Odds are the slabbed cards will not be touched by human hands for years since people who have bought $500+ cards are highly incentivized towards not thinking what they paid a lot of money for is fake because if the card is fake, they are stupid and no one wants to be stupid. Also people are massively hype the difficulty of reproducing magic cards when there are hundreds of factories in the world with exactly that capability who print other similar material for entities other than WotC. All it takes is a few unscrupulous employees with some initiative and know-how and you have pallets of fake cards printed to perfection. Lesser power nine cards and some reserve list cards would be the ideal targets for duplication. Now all you need is to play a few games with them to give them that light play feel and you can ride that cash cow into retirement if you dont get greedy.
Foiling process in print is getting cheaper. If you do it on a large enough scale like wotc do you can get it down to pence per card.
Also the specific paper they use is available from a few suppliers so not impossible to get ahold of.
The double pass is just a process and easily set up when printing in sheets.
So difficult but not impossible 😅
I've seen a couple of REALLY convincing stamps. WOTC quality control doesn't help matters when it comes to determining fakes either though...
I tend to agree with this, but for the one ring, the price is right and counterfeiters will find a way at a much higher expense than normal to make it
There is something that does not finish convincing me about the hologram. Since the release of mh2 there are "old frame" versions of some cards, especially rare and mythic cards, but they don't have the hologram, so they would be easier to fake?
If you have a good flashlight, the light should glow blue if you put it through if it is real
i have a couple of fakes that aaaaalmost pass all the tests. perfect weight, proper print layering, the hologrpahic stamp looks aaaallllmost right. the big thing that gives them away though: no blue core. (also i scratched the word "FAKE" into their backs lol)
Proxies are ironically usually higher quality and, well, no game piece should cost more than like 4 dollars.
Also if they are foils and you leave them on the desk and go get yours a drink, real MTG cards will be curved like Hotdogs buns.
Or here a real 3 step way of determining fakes, the Green Dot, if the Green dot is off, which you can Google this to determine if you don't know, it's a fake, light test and the front mana and set symbol to determine how the black ink is sitting (black ink is the last ink to go down and be "on top" of rest of the inks). Now for older cards such Power 9, Lejend set, etc their is a more complex way of determining due to Wizards having variations of printings back then. Some side notes, the blue core is no longer a way to determine as Wizards uses several printing shops such as one in Japan and they have a purple core. 4th Edition Atl, Alliances, Exodus, Summer Magic all have printings that would make you think they are fake but are legit card such as 4th Edition Atl, is missing the rosettes, Alliances and Exodus both had A and B printings of the same cards, you can get two styles of printings such as how the rosettes line up on the back of the card, color differences, etc. Summer magic was a epic screw up and the cards are extremely dark. My favorite is Russian Cards look and feel like poker playing cards, seen entire box of HOD look like that.
You can tell they're fake if someone has written another name on the card with a sharpie or other type of marker/ink and trying to play with it like it's actually that card.
You forgot the light test
The first and third one i can get behind, but how the hell is anyone supposed to guess that it has a distinct weight with very little margin?
The One Ring that is worth that is just a Serialized Card. For just cards to play with, there are nearly perfect fakes out there. Most the player base just plays Casual Commander.
You can also post pics or vids of the card online!
If its real the pinkertons will come after you!
“Hard to fake” tell that to the printers they USED to use that are now printing “proxies” that are literally the same cards
Weight is an OLD metric that isn't good to use much anymore with modern cards. The stamps have been cracked by the talented counterfeiters.
Green Dot, Rosette/print test (like the mana symbol) and black light.
Proxy the card just to play it. Keep the original one in plastic case to show off
The holo stamps started in core set 2015 which was released in 2014
The one ring being nevys disk and not sol ring bothers me idk why both work but
I know this is for when buying a copy of a card but does having the actual cards matter at tournaments? I play YGO and I've never been penalized for having a printed out card so i can make up a deck.
You can also tell if they're real if the Pinkertons show up
Hmm gonna have to look at my proxies for this cause mine are legit lol
The real ones bend like Pringles
I noticed that some cards are heavier or lighter than others and they aren't fake
Just green dot test it it so easy to fake cards but it’s hard to do a real back and still look real on the front
Making a magic card perfectly is impossible but that being said, I make a really mean proxy. I’ve done them in foil and non foil with real card backs and you can’t tell they’re fake across the table. All for personal use of course.
at 100 bucks a card, I'd wager making fakes would be profitable.
What about for old cards like duals?
I was duped not too long ago. The newer fakes are too good...
My daughter spilled some juice over a couple of my cards and soaked them. They sort of survived but look super fake now even though they're genuine.
Unfortunately rare stamps are getting better and better in fakes and 80% of the fakes I encounter can not be confirmed with the rare stamp so recently we just tend to ignore them tbh. I suggest most do the same or at least make it one of the last things you check.
With the decline of print quality of wotc, their color awefulness, difference in print runs and overall printing seven thousand milion different variants and people in China getting better printers and getting better technique, this is no longer true. Holo is easily faked, weight is literally undistinguishable and the text on top is a standard in high quality proxies.
One thing to keep in mind, wotc is reducing their quality/qc but trying to get more and more money, this makes the proxy/fake business more and more profitable as they get huge savings from high volume printing and people are willing to pay 1-2 bucks per card that is sometimes even better quality than some of wotc bad ones.
True. Holo stamps got so bad that counterfeit stamps usually end up looking better
Did my man just say $100,000
Imagine caring if a paper card for a GAME is "real" or not.
You don't need original cards to play the game...
If it’s foil, check for a bend in the middle that runs vertically up the card, or that the image is significantly darker than any image you can find online - if what you’re looking at has both, that’s a real card.
The fake foils are probably better quality right now lol
Point Number 3: No, it's called CMYK printing. The blacks of the text and mana symbols are printed C: 0%, Y: 0%, M: 0% BUT K:100%
Light test and of course rip test are the two best. Light test is easiest to do. German black core will pass but the light will be dimmer
If you do that in a gaming store with their average lighting, you will have really hard time with the result, there is so many variables and that is where it will matter for most people. But if you are lets say buying more expensive cards somewhere then yes, take your time and do the light test properly.
The one ring will curl into a ring in less than 24h
friendly reminder that the overewhelming majority of fake cards arent created with the intention of looking genuine on a sale to scam a savvy buyer, but to not look suspicious at a quick glance, when doublesleeved and played across a table in a game vs an average joe
And at that, the current level of fakes is exceedingly successful, virtually undistingishable
Proxy away, my dudes!!!
It was 2014 actually, in the set M15
Convenient that Star City games opened up, the one printing of the one ring
No one has opened the One Ring, the product has not been released yet ;)
Ive just got three fakes that had the mana symbol correct
You forgot the red L test in the green mana symbol.
I'd buy the weight stuff if WOTC was at all consistent with their print quality lately.
Brothers war and new capenna felt like Walmart card stock.
1- It would cost too much to fake the bottom shiny thing properly
2- It would cost too much to use the real paper
3- It would cost too much to print the card once and then a second time for mana
That's true for your average card, but the One Ring already has people putting up offers in the 500k range, it's more than worth it to invest the effort and put tens of dollars into a fake, even hundreds.
The one ring will be impossible to fake ;) there is only one. No one can produce a convincing counterfeit unless they see it, and as soon as it is opened there will be a documented trail of ownership
You also have the light test, as well as the dots on the back of the card. In combination with the things you mentioned you can make sure you don't have a fake. The fakers out there are getting good on their "high-end proxies "
Also the blue strip and green dot
Is the twice printed thing true for old cards, like things from the Reserve List?
The rosettes are completly under the black ink. So if the pattern bleeds into the black, it almost always screams fake
I heard your allowed to print out magic cards for use in competitions. Is that true?
Some game stores allow this for unofficial casual tournaments, but in most cases this is not allowed
The best way to tell is the red dot test on the back.
Also the one ring is a one of one hence the price. Seems like that's hard to fake
You also run the risk of being the victim of home invasion and robbery