From XR2 to Fiesta ST | Which is the greatest Ford hot hatch?
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- We couldn’t go forward without looking back, so we had a Ford Fiesta family get-together to compare the Mk VIII ST model with its classic predecessors. #gwfirst
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I reckon the story of fun Fiestas starts with the mk1 Supersport which was a 1.3 with the wheels and bodykit that later went on the 1.6 XR2.
Second that mate
I had 2 Supersports back in the day!
Absolutely! Always lusted after them 🤗🤗
ST150 with a few subtle changes to Ford's original restrictive stock parts makes it one of the most fun cars you will ever drive! And not to mention will stand up to all the other hatches of that era. A shame Ford restricted It so much otherwise maybe would have been up there with the Type R etc...
I love mine , owned it 6 years. Changed the down pipe and intake and it comes to life
What's the difference in the engine between the ST150 Fiesta and ST170 Focus ?
(OK, I know, I can Google this).
@@lewis72 definitely completely different engines. Don't know much about the ST170 but pretty sure it's not a duratec like the ST150 too
@@Hogan-sw1py
You're right.
From what I read, the ST170 is a Zetec engine
The mk6 stats are just wrong. It was 13500 not 20k and it was 147 not 143 hp
I tuned a MK2 XR2 to 135 HP in the 90's. Got it into a popular motoring magazine at the time. NOT Max Power! Mine looked completely stock bar a different exhaust. 135 HP is not a lot today, but with only 840 kg to pull along it was plenty fast at the time. No turbocharged either. It was a bored out 1600, with high lift cam, twin Weber's, etc. People moan about the CVH engine. But the tuned example in my car went very well, revved nicely and sounded utterly awesome. It was an utter riot to drive. Now re-living those lightweight hot hatch days in the latest turbo Swift Sport. With 975 kg to pull, and approx. 163 HP on tap using premium fuel. It is plenty quick enough. Supremely agile with such lightweight. Everyone should drive a lightweight car with a decent chassis. They would then realise just how lifeless heavy cars are to drive. No matter how powerful. Great video!
MrZekToR yeh my brother had a modded xr2 1750cc and other mods and it was pretty quick. Quicker than my other brothers xr4i, though not quicker than modded 170bhp 143 lb torque 205gti 1.9. My 205 was massively quicker than Audi TT 225bhp and could almost worry lotus Exige 111s.
I had a 1984 mk2 cvh with knackered valve seals. Polished ported uprated cam new valve seals went like stink disillusioned a lot of golf gti's .looked std kept the Pirelli's never had any problems with braking or steering. I think nowadays everyone is used to " power brakes " not " power assisted " as a mechanic I have seen servos get bigger and bigger requiring more and more vacuum to work and with a servo failure they are virtually unstoppable. Oh on the latest ecoboost crap coming through the workshop thick and fast now with head gaskets and water seals. If only slightly over heated the variable valve system seizes....DOH.. my little white C477JOK the XR2 was so much fun and so reliable back in the eighties wish I was young again.
Mine had Stage 2 head, 285 cam, DMTR carb.. went like stink. Probably nowhere near even 120bhp but the immediacy and driveability was amazing. The larger twin choke carb barked like a dog and it was a joy to drive. Fuel consumption was pitiful though given the performance. You could watch the needle dive :(
Of course in those days you did it all yourself on the roadside outside your house. No laptops, no sending it to the tuners with a blank cheque.
@@therealdunketh Totally agree, you didn't need tons of power to pull 840kg of car along. But yes, the feel of the car from behind the wheel is lost with modern cars. Same here, most mods / tuning was done outside my parents house, or in a friends garage. Only the final tuning of the timing / twin carbs was entrusted to a rolling road tuner. Great times.
@@mazdaman1286 Yes, I have such great memories from behind the wheel of my tuned XR2. I was in my early to mid 20's at that point. 135 HP in an 840kg car was a riot back then. So light and chuckable, and plenty fast enough. I've had many more powerful and heavier cars since that point. But none of those bigger, heavier more powerful cars have felt more 'alive' than my old XR2 did. So, 3 years ago I decided to abandon overweight, powerful cars and get back into something lightweight - but reasonably quick. Straight-line performance for me is secondary to the driving experience. So in 2016, bought a new NA Suzuki Swift Sport. 1040kg in weight - 136 HP. Here was a modern car that was as close to the concept of an XR2 as I could find... and it was bl**dy awesome fun. So much so, that 2 years later - I bought the new 2018 turbocharged Swift Sport. Even lighter at 975kg. Again, it is a total riot to drive. You can have fun anywhere in cars like these. Epic handling, supreme agility and chuckability… it's like an XR2 on steroids. I'm having more fun now behind the wheel than I've had with cars for a long time... right back to the XR2 days. Awesome.
No love for the third gen Fester? You missed the XR2i, RS Turbo, RS1800!
Their bad
No mk1 supersport and the mk1 xr2 had the more tunable crossflow engine .
yep thought that as well..
I had a xr2i ,. Mechanically similar to the RS TURBO 130 BHP in a 8 valve ....
Yeah, the turbo was the same CVH block.
Great video and now loving my ST150, such a historic car to own and love the touches I am giving to mine to make it my own and also give it a fresh new lease of life. It's a forever car to own and documenting it all on my channel and already made so many videos 👍
Andy
It really annoyed me that Ford limited them on power so much because if they didn't it'll be hands down the best hot hatch ever made imo. Nothing a supercharger can't fix though 😂
I personally prefer the old school fiesta st mk6 2 litre 148 bhp some times newer and upgraded models are better but some times the older models are better and in this case the older model verson is more favorable for me plus I'd say its better looking car. Just my opinion.
Mk 6 st Looks old school for me which is what i like
Had a blue Mk1 XR2 and a white Mk2 XR2... the Mk1 made the biggest impression, loved it..
I had my ST MK7 for 5 years. Now I own the ST MK8 for almost a year now. Lovely and fun cars.
I know im a bit late but can you tell some pros and cons of each model? Which one is overall just more fun to drive?
I now own a MK 8 st2 with the performance pack. I owned a Mk7 ST Mountune MP215. Both cars are fabulous. But the Mk8 feels more refined and has more low down torque, it also handles better and sounds sensational even as stock. I don’t think I’ll tune this new ST because honestly, power wise, it’s perfect for B roads !
@@chirpywiggins5796 Everyone says the stock mk8 has more low down torque than the mp215 but how is that possible when the mp215 is suposed to have 320nm (30 nm more than the stock mk8)? I trust what you all say im just a bit confused and hoping someone can explain this.
@@revento5544 The torque number (that 320) is not available very early in the MP215. Mk8 is more awake at lower rpm but has less torque overall but has it better aligned for the whole rev range.
I have a 2014 US ST, I currently have 95,000+ miles on it and I’m in a Cobb stage two tune, short shift kit, 3” MBPR exhaust, Cobb Motor mounts and many Visual mods, I’m on my 6th set of tires that’s how hard I drive it, my friends can’t believe that I still have the stock clutch, I’m on sticky Mitchlen tires, I embarrass a lot of people in this car especially on a Mountain Road where it Shines, I’m 73 years young and have had 14 cars & 9 motorcycles and by far this is the most fun I have ever had Driving, the best part is I do a lot road trips and at 80 mph it gets a steady 31.5 mpg, it’s a hard comb to beat for the money. The Fiesta Flash. 🤙🏼🍺🍺
Way to go Mike 👍😄
I love the Fiesta ST
No XR2i or RS Turbo?
They are Escorts not Fiestas.
@@mcstaal
No the XR2i was a Fiesta and the RS Turbo was also a Fiesta too as well as an Escort. The RS Turbo looked very similar to the XR2i. The Escort was the XR3 and the XR3i
@@mcstaal lol fail
Back in 1988, I worked for a Ford Dealer. 1/5 Fiestas we sold were XR2’s. Absolutely brilliant fun! So rare now. I love my 2014 ST3. It’s so much more fun than my Hawkeye STi!
I was that Teenager,seeing one for the first time,XR2 Is an Icon.
Very much wanted a mk. 2 XR2, but could not afford one. Bought an almost-new 205GTI a few years later and that remains one of the most fun cars I've ever owned.
Although not a Fiesta, the precursor to the ST in spirit was the Ford Racing Puma in 2000. That would be a welcome comparison.
This felt like a poor effort. The presenter waffled on talking rubbish and got facts wrong, and there are several key cars missing from the video completely. Disappointing!
You should do a video, would love to see your amendments.
Pish
I currently own a mk7 ST but I had the mk1 XR2 and the mk2 back in the 80s I never loved the mk2 in the same way as I did my mk1. The early mk2s up to a C plate were quicker than the later D plate on versions due a change in carburettor. Later on I worked at a Ford dealership and having owned other fiestas like the Si and ST 150, I was able to drive the RS 1800 and RS turbo versions and they were epic ✅
It's not about how fast they are it's about just how fookin cool they look now.
My very first car was an XR2 Mk2, bought it in '97 for £800 while at college. It was already an oldie back then, over 20 years ago! Still remember the reg to this day, D457 EYX. Sold it to my mate for £20 4 years later who stripped it and used it for stock car racing. It lasted 2 whole laps before the engine final blew 😂. The funnest car I've ever owned.
Lovely memories for me when I had a mark 2 xr2 B plate. It sure looked way better than it drove in my experience, I had untold problems with starter motors having 4 in 2 years. But just loved looking at it parked on up at home, got mine in 93 when insurance rocketed to out the boy racers and the car were cheap, mine cost 1600 for a 7 ye old model.
My favourite fast ford is the fantastic MK2 focus RS🤤
I own a mk3 focus st in tangerine scream and it’s a mental car, also got a mk8 fiesta st on order and can not wait to get it, love fast fords. Great video mate
I'll always have a soft spot for the ST150
Never been made to feel so old watching a car video :D
Agree completely re mark 2 Fiesta. I bought one in 1989. Fantastic. Now bought Fiesta ST200 another fab Ford.
I loved the way Ford carried forward the Supersport pepperpot wheels on to the next 2 XR2s something unheard of today.
Supersport had 4 spoke RS alloys, not Pepperpots.
Owned 3 of these Fiesta's and currently own the ST200.
We have a mk6 Ford fiesta zetec blue. And we love it.
I was a teenager in 80s Britain, Essex to be precise. Both my grandads worked for Ford, but I never remember many lads wanting or getting a XR2, everyone aspired to the XR3 and RS1600i / RS Turbo.
I have a Black MK7 ST3 Stage 1 tuned. It flys. Gets alot of attention. It's basically a black ST200, same suspension setup and power. Only got 18k on the clock and it's 2 years old.
How are the new 3 cyl st’s holding up reliability wise?
small fords are the king of the world IMO. Enough said.
The Mk7 Fiesta ST is by far the best looking IMO.
Well, in America we only got the mk7 fiesta ST, and it was only available in the equivalent ST3 trim from Europe. I have one, and don't plan on selling it anytime soon. S280 turbo and a lsd is going in this week. Absolutely stoked. Fantastic little cars.
@@Roundholesinsquarepegs Just got it back from the shop a couple days ago, so have the base tune on it now running low boost, significantly less than stock. Working on tune revisions over the next week or so. I'll post up on the FIST forum once I get it dialed. I'm very happy with the setup so far even on low boost. I think it's definitely the right turbo for that engine, but will confirm once the tune is finalized.
My first car mk2 XR2..bloody loved that thing..
Escort RS Cosworth is the very best of any hot hatch Ford ever made. Mind you at £30k for a quality one these days there are plenty of fantastic cheap alternatives. The best dirt cheap one is the Puma with the Yamaha 1.7 engine of course! 1000 of your British pounds buys a decent one in need of a little love but perfectly serviceable otherwise. Generally the rear arches get bubbled up but it's not a disaster, and not too expensive to have tidied up professionally. Besides this the mk5 Fiesta ST where £2500 gets a good un, and my personal favourite pick the mk2 Focus ST with the muscular Volvo 2.5 five cylinder turbo. A decent example can be had these days for a mere £4k, £5k gets a mint low mileage early one.
Fiesta XR2 was my 1st ever car. I was warned not to get one by my parents, friends and work colleagues but opted not to take their advice as a 17-year old that knew everything. My insurance quote was £1300 back in 1999. I sold it before driving it for £300....shame really.
What about the fiesta xr2i and fiesta RS turbo, you left this out
Also the mk4 gt and facelift fiesta s where bottlerockets
Had a nearly new Mk2 back in the day in the very rare Nimbus grey metallic with factory roof.I was 21 and couldn’t afford fully comp so took the risk and fortunately I didn’t crash it! Best car I’ve ever owned. Btw those are not fog lights but driving lamps.😊
Had the same, 1987 plate, traded in with 160,000 miles with original complete exhaust underneth. Never missed a beat.
With out the XR2 they’d not be a ST today perhaps !!
So you have to admire progress 3cylinder 1.5 turbo with 200bhp the Fancy Banana shape shocks , and a Limited Slip Diff.
You have to respect you could still have fun in an XR2 if not as fast but still good fun . And respect your elders 👍
Had a mk1 xr2 in white and a mk2 xr2 in blue, both great cars, The Engine tuner, Mario Decapite modified these engines with twin 40 carbs , awesome !
My first car was a mk2 Fiesta 1.4 ghia. It was great but I always regret not getting an xr2
Why review and bang on about the ST200? They were a limited run at the end of the life of the MK7. You should have focused on the standard MK7 ST without the extra bits.
Had a C reg XR2 as my first car. Awesome
3 years later, that mk8 is not £20k but £28k due to only the ST3 being available as Ford start slow production. As much as I like Fords, £28k for a Fiesta is just a joke.
oh beautiful! What a video to go into the evening with 👌🏻
I was that teanager in the 80s miss you MK2 xr2 B300REX
Definitely missed out not showing any of the MK3 fiestas .. should off called me to borrow my 2i ..
that Red XR2 still looks naughty .. enjoyed video
Ma first car mk2 xr2 in white. I were 19 it was 18, even then they were rare!
Being 55, and growing up in the 80s I drove or owned most of these ,the wife had 2 st fiestas with the 2 ltr engine and they weren’t that good or fast, and had a fuelling problem when you came off tickover went to die then picked up, and on a wet road would wheel spin , the vv golf was a better car, ,, none of the Fords were impressive to me until I bought the Sierra xr4i , that was a surprise , me and my brother both had one ,,, compared to the competition ford were were at the bottom of the pole 205gti, Renault r5 turbo , maestro turbo or mg ,,, only my opinion and I drove them all and owned a lot cheers shane uk 🇬🇧
The mk 1 was the prettiest. with its straight lines and throaty exhaust. The stuff of schoolboy dreams. Before things started to get bland.
It's sad Ford didn't release MK6 RS Fiesta 200-220bhp
Did we forget about the fiesta rs?
Old cars are rubbish. Makes me laugh people paying daft money for xr3's that used to go for under a grand. I owned hot hatches back in the 80's and 90's and something like a new ST is better in every way.
1600 supersport with wheels same as the escort rd 2000,
That was the start
mk7 is better than mk8...
no
Dom L. Yes 😜
nope. The MK8 looks better and is faster.
@@dom3827 maybe can be faster, but definitely uglyer
Dom L. It’s not actually, it’s only faster off the line, the 60-100 on the mk8 is slower and higher speeds are slower
The MK2 XR2 is not where it all began as you pointed out the fiesta supersport is where it began. You also missed the MK3 XR2i and RS turbo
The xr2i was a heap of rubbish like the xr2
@@stephenpeacock2627 As the owner of a 2i I'd disagree with that but it's each to their own I guess. Would've been nice to just see all of the 'hot' Fiesta models in one video
Mitchell Taylor the 2i was so slow even then.
@@stephenpeacock2627 It was about midfield, similar pace to the 1.6 205 GTi and other competitors
Great vid.... but no XR2i CVH to demo?? Was a cool car....may not have looked as good as the MK2.... but was EFi injection and was a nice drive...and was sporty looking with the blue strip and XR2i badging on the carpets.
Mk1 xr2 👌🏻
it is so disappointing that here in australia they sell the mustang and big SUVs -_-
Xr2's will ALWAYS be iconic, ST's just slightly better than the many alternatives.
They really should’ve included the Mk4 Zetec S
You forgot to say that back in the 80’s the XR2 was a joke compared to a 205 GTi for example. A rubbish cvh engine, carb fed, interior from the 70’s, drums at the back too I think. An absolutely hopeless car but with a dose of nostalgia I guess it must seem fun. But really, they were rubbish.😂
I miss my mk6 st. Could chuck it everywhere all day long. Embarrassed faster cars in the corners, it just needed more powa babeh.
More POWAH bebeh!
This is me! Hehehe! Big monster saloons/coupes and even most hatches slowing right down at corners and me flying through them leaving them In my little Fez 😆
Almost bought a mk7 ST but was just never sure how reliable that ecoboost engine was so ended up getting a civic type r instead
didnt begin with the mk2 xr2 it began with the mk1 xr2
Began with the 1.3 Fiesta Supersport.
My brother bought an Ereg XR2 in 1995 for £30. Hammered it and scrapped it not long after. Loads of them ended up like that, such a shame. Why didn't you mention the MK3??
Great video and i will subscribe. However i have to echo the comments below no 2i no rs??? Would love to see a video with those in, im the right generation were those were some of the must haves. I own a st150 08 plate and i love it holds any corner i throw it into without the aftermarket suspension tweaks. Fair play it love a visit to the petrol station but i didn't buy it for fuel economy i bought it for the the fun factor. Probably look at at mk3 focus st next or maybe the mk7 st200. I love evrything behind that badge
Barry horton, what vehicle is gonna handle or be as quick as a fiesta st for the price? And yes I have plenty of fords so yes I am a fan. I mean i do have videos on CZcams of my truck....
Mk 6 st 150 last real one end of era real hothatch
I own a normal Mk2 in Champagne Gold My Granddad bought it new in 84
My next car will be a Mk2 XR2 (if possible ´84)
St200 ❤💪👑😤
Yeh right the rs fiesta was and still is an animal of a pocket rocket
Ford's stonking Sierra XR4x4i, it was the best of both worlds, grippy 4x4 capability matched to a stonking 'bite-your-head-off' peerformance of an engine, this thing could rock'n'roll and could easily bite the pants off many an Audi Quattro, Escort RS Turbo, Escort XR3i, Fiesta XR2, VW Golf GTi and many other high performance cars of the day, and pick a fight with lesser mortals, eating them up for dinner as it went..............
St150 powerrr i have one original 150 86500km on clock
& here i am in a crapped out mk4 really wanting an original mk1 or even mk2
Gr8 vid by the way
My first car was a mk2 XR2 !
No rs turbo.?
The mk7 had sat nav and heated seats on some of the variants
My 1987 CTX mk2 1.1 matches my mum's 2015 Mk6 facelift 1 litre beutifully same engine note, same fun quirky go cart feel same underneath same wheelbase, same overall length. Even same comfort levels
Rs1800 was properly quick and easy to tune
XR2i was the one!
You don't know why anyone would fiddle with their car?
Before I have purchased my cars I want to change it so it isn't the same as all the others.
My drive to work this morning had me noticing the fiesta. In front of me was a black one and in front of that was another black one 6 months younger. Got to an island and wow there was yet another black fiesta going around it. Before this black fiesta invasion dispersed and there was just 1 left I passed another parked in a driveway.
Change the car in some way? Damn right I would.
Let's all live in BlackFiestaville.
Love my fezzy mk7
Where is the mk3 xr2i or rs turbo?
Yay i have blue st just like that.
😆mine has been molested tho.
What about the Mk5 Zetec S, Rs1800?
New fiesta's go BOOOOM
I ❤ fiesta 🔝💪
What about the rs turbo
Sorry, I had a mk2 xr2 about 30 years ago and it was such a heap of crap I got rid of it after a week. Very slow, crap handling, crap brakes. Got a golf gti mk2 instead which was massively better in all areas.
you're forgiven for being a moron
Mk7. The illest.
U missed the entier mk3 gen which is xr2i and rs turbo also the mk5 zetec se uggh
The mk7 200 ist the best I think. Mk8 any 8.5 look so round and nothing near as aggressive as the mk7
Fiesta ST Mk6 Wins
I had an 89 xr2 convertible!, even got a write up in fast ford mag, went away on holiday and my crazy ass mum sold it!🤮. Never got it back!, wounded!
Not the first ST. They made a mk5 ST ;)
Also why no mk3? Surely the RS Turbo or 1800 (although a waddly mk3) was well received? Granted the 1600 CVH XR2i was long in the tooth.
Are you sure? Depending on counting the Mk6 is sometimes the Mk5. Couldn't find any mention about a ST on Mk5, only XR2i 8/16V or RS Turbo. Or was it just a concept?
@@K-oZ blast from the past but yeah. Dunno what I was smoking. Mk5 hot version was the ‘Zetec S’ of course.
Well caught!
The fiesta RS Turbo was the best fiesta but I guess you couldn't find one.
Not even mk5 or 4 got a mention for the quick 1.25 engine
Greatest Ford hot hatch is the Focus RS (mk3), if the Cosworth doesn't count.
We didnt get mk2 rs in the states, and the mk3 rs is still selling for 35-40k dollars used.
@@jordan3522 the mk2 has a great engine but the mk3 is a far, far better car to drive in every way possible. Also resale prices? The mk3 has held just as well and will continue to. Only the accident damaged ones are dipping as low as £22k, it's just a much better car.
The delusional one is someone that thinks he will get that price even for a car that he has obviously pissed several thousands of pounds on. Mk2s are changing hands for £16k.
Let me guess, you are selling so you can buy something RWD or AWD having pissed a load of money of a FWD car before realising its very obvious handling limits......