@@ArmatageCandleCompanyke i understand mane thing is to heat wax to 85. But fo you can add even at 75 . Am i correct? I made 4 candles and i heted to 85 qnd 80. And i added fo at 85 at 80 at 76. No difference in cold throw. Just im still waiting to test them
“Please send me some lids…” lol I’ve always added at 185°-190° and have always had the best results. But like you said, it’s for safety (as well as hot throw.) Thank you for spreading some knowledge.
Hey Kevin!! I am the co-owner of Dulceria Creations, THANK YOU for making this video, it is longer over due!! Also, I would like to send you some lids!! Send me a message and we will hook you up! :)
@@ArmatageCandleCompany I’m here for it man!! Hands down I am a big fan of yours. I have learned so much from your content and website it’s crazy. Super amped for moonlite as well.
I know this instantly becomes a stupid question, but my Freedom soy wax calls for heating to 160 and immediately adding fragrance oil. So, should I disregard the instructions and heat it to 185? I'm really not trying to be a jackass. I'm honestly curious.
Hey no worries! Yes, I’d still do 185°F. What makes that wax interesting is how it’s usually a far less “structured” wax and doesn’t typically HAVE to require the higher temps. That being said, I’m still an advocate for 185.
Thank you for a very informative video. I use Coco Apricot wax and add the FO at the manufacturer recommended high temp and always stir for 2 minutes. It was confusing seeing these different flashpoint on my FO bottles and I was a little worried. You explained this well. Great job !
Thanks for this advice, I'm going to give it a try tomorrow. I'm in the UK so my choices of wax, wicks and everything else in-between is on a far smaller scale when it comes to variety. I'm using a Paraoy blend but on the box it states you shouldn't take the wax above 80 (176) as you risk damaging the wax (colour, performance) so I haven't gone past that point, I have tried adding the oil at a variety of temperatures but am getting no hot throw whatsoever, the scent I am using is cupcake and although it's quite a light fragrance they smell beautiful when it comes to hot throw bu nothing when lit.
Thank you so much for this helpful information. I just wanna make myself a candle -and not a business. Knew a couple things, but not this. Super glad to find you for other questions keep up the good work!
Thanks so much for this! I do have a question though, if I pour my fo in at 185 ish the temp drops pretty quickly to 175. I have been keeping the pitcher on the heat while stirring and tonight I let it get back up to 185 before removing from heat. Is this a good thing or will it be fine for the temp to drop that low with the adding of fo?
Welcome back, was wondering if you ever make wickless candles, if so is it safe to use 12 percent fragrance oil. Looking forward to more videos thank you for sharing.
With reference to lid for candle, eventually fragrance molecules do they ever move to surface if left open for a long time, or the molecules that get trapped stay trapped. I was thinking about it from wax tablet which made for wardrobe refreshers, in those case then molecules only from surface diffuse the one in centre must be stay trapped. Would love to hear your thoughts.
I wouldn't worry about them ever moving to the surface, but your tablet example is interesting. Like I mentioned in the video, there might be a tiny bit *from* the surface that evaporates, but I wouldn't expect there to be any real impact to the performance of the candle. And a lid certainly wouldn't stop that from happening even if it was a concern.
Hi there. I just wanted to know. Some suppliers say the pouring temp of fragrance oil for soy wax is always 85°C, regardless of the type of soy wax but some suppliers say that the pouring temp of fragrance oil depends on the type of house. What do you think of this? Additionally, what's your take on adding coconut oil to soy wax for a better hot throw?
I stand by 85°C from the perspective of a candle design. If a fragrance house creates something that volatile, it's unlikely it would perform under the scrutiny of the melt pool/flame temperatures the blend is exposed to when in use. Re: coconut oil - I'm all for experimentation, but I like to keep things simple if I can 😁
Yes, with a small caveat: not every essential oil will hold up under the heat, and they’re a lot less friendly for candle making (generally). But worth trying anyways! Still 185°F.
Retail prices range from $5 to $500. If you're talking about shelf life, vegetable-based waxes (soy, rapeseed, etc) are prime in the first 2-3 years usually. Paraffins and others are stable for a lot longer in theory, but I haven't really been to the outer limits of many of them so it's a bit of conjecture on my part!
Can please review CW3 wax? There are tons of hater there for this wax. The say has no CT or HT. It.has amazing CT and HT once you figure out how to work with it. Thanks
@@ArmatageCandleCompany the Cargrill's brand, thought it was CW3, but I've been up close to 36 hours and 24 hours ago I was in surgery. So I might be off a tad on the name. 😵💫🥴🤦♀️
Fireman and Hazmat Technician here: please know that flash point is the MINIMUM temperature the fragrance oil will start to off gas an ignitable vapor! Wether or not that ignitable vapor is concentrated enough to ignite depends on the LEL which can be found in the safety data sheet associated with that fragrance oil
Hi. Do the same principles apply for making wax melts? I've been researching how to make wax melts for a new hobby, maybe candles later on. Also have you ever used IGI 6006 blend with IGI 4625 wax for wax melts or have any recommendations for the best wax to use. Thanks
I'd still follow the advice. Although there's no chance of an open flame igniting a pool (the whole thing gets melted down at once when it's used) the same "safety" concerns don't apply. What matters more for melts is the consistency: if you don't have an even blend throughout the wax, then some melts may have an absurd amount of fragrance oil in them and others may be lacking. An even blend assures you the melts will be consistent.
Thank you, great video. This is probably a stupid question but here goes...I use a rapeseed and coconut wax that has a melt point of 104 F so would it damage the wax if I heat to high temps before I add the oil and affect the HT...thank you for helping my old brain!
Melt point is only tempt at which the wax will melt. Coconut wax needs heated heated to about 215° of I recall correctly. I never worked with rapeseed oil but I'm sure the company gives recommended temps. With all that being did, I'd hear it up in between the two temps if rapeseed couldn't be heated as high as high coconut.
Technically yes. The melted wax cools and cures again. That’s why I’d you bring a candle that recently been burned it usually forms a melt pool quicker (wax dependent, of course)
@@ArmatageCandleCompany thank you so much for the reply! I appreciate all the information shared here in your channel. All the blessings to you and all your endeavours. Kate from Vancouver 🇨🇦
Thanks for your videos ❤ i love them. Im trying to make pillar candles. Im using kerasoy. Can i still use all information you are giving , for my pillars? Ive done 3 candles to test sent throw. I heated up to 86. Then i added fo straight away. Another one i added at 80. Another one i added at 75. I poured to moulds around 68-72 They all has very low cold throw.and no hot throw at all. What would you suggest? My supplier told me to heat wax to 75-80. But not more then 90. All candle makers i see they heating up to 75. Supplier told me that i need to add fo at 65. They told me to find out myself when is best time to add fo( very helpful) And a lot of candle makers doing same. I have tried and hot and cold. But no big difference. Couldn't get good sent. Sorry for long story. I hope you can suggest me something 🤗🙏
What about stirring? I'm working with a coconut apricot/ paraffin blend which people and manufacturers suggest only stirring for 30 seconds and then pouring right away. Should I do 2 minutes instead?
Yeah. His advice stands apart from others; science based. I took his course …Excellent.
Love the support. Glad you appreciate the work!
@@ArmatageCandleCompanyke i understand mane thing is to heat wax to 85. But fo you can add even at 75 . Am i correct? I made 4 candles and i heted to 85 qnd 80.
And i added fo at 85 at 80 at 76. No difference in cold throw. Just im still waiting to test them
“Please send me some lids…” lol
I’ve always added at 185°-190° and have always had the best results. But like you said, it’s for safety (as well as hot throw.) Thank you for spreading some knowledge.
👊
Hey Kevin!! I am the co-owner of Dulceria Creations, THANK YOU for making this video, it is longer over due!! Also, I would like to send you some lids!! Send me a message and we will hook you up! :)
Appreciate you!
Glad to see you back!!!😊
So helpful! Thank you!
I’m sure the comment section is gonna blow up. So many ppl I see on forums and FB groups like to put FO around 160-150.
We’re in for a wild ride.
@@ArmatageCandleCompany I’m here for it man!! Hands down I am a big fan of yours. I have learned so much from your content and website it’s crazy. Super amped for moonlite as well.
@@vrdubb0221 💪
I know this instantly becomes a stupid question, but my Freedom soy wax calls for heating to 160 and immediately adding fragrance oil. So, should I disregard the instructions and heat it to 185? I'm really not trying to be a jackass. I'm honestly curious.
Hey no worries! Yes, I’d still do 185°F. What makes that wax interesting is how it’s usually a far less “structured” wax and doesn’t typically HAVE to require the higher temps. That being said, I’m still an advocate for 185.
Thank you for a very informative video. I use Coco Apricot wax and add the FO at the manufacturer recommended high temp and always stir for 2 minutes. It was confusing seeing these different flashpoint on my FO bottles and I was a little worried. You explained this well. Great job !
Thanks for these useful information 🙏
Excellent! Thank You
Thanks for this advice, I'm going to give it a try tomorrow. I'm in the UK so my choices of wax, wicks and everything else in-between is on a far smaller scale when it comes to variety. I'm using a Paraoy blend but on the box it states you shouldn't take the wax above 80 (176) as you risk damaging the wax (colour, performance) so I haven't gone past that point, I have tried adding the oil at a variety of temperatures but am getting no hot throw whatsoever, the scent I am using is cupcake and although it's quite a light fragrance they smell beautiful when it comes to hot throw bu nothing when lit.
Thank you so much for this helpful information. I just wanna make myself a candle -and not a business. Knew a couple things, but not this. Super glad to find you for other questions keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for your insightful video and for sharing your experience!
I’m going on a hunt right now to find more from you.
I hope the content doesn't let you down, Susan!
Thank you so much for your knowledge ❤ It’s really helping me to understand the science of candle making!
Thanks so much for this! I do have a question though, if I pour my fo in at 185 ish the temp drops pretty quickly to 175. I have been keeping the pitcher on the heat while stirring and tonight I let it get back up to 185 before removing from heat. Is this a good thing or will it be fine for the temp to drop that low with the adding of fo?
Totally fine in fact, I do this all the time to give myself more time to blend everything together, especially when I want to pour hot.
I always enjoy your videos; keep them coming. Love to learn about the science behind candle making 🙂
Welcome back, was wondering if you ever make wickless candles, if so is it safe to use 12 percent fragrance oil. Looking forward to more videos thank you for sharing.
I'd probably keep the percent lower than that - most wax can't hold it. The risk becomes a pooled fragrance due to a lack of realistic capacity.
With reference to lid for candle, eventually fragrance molecules do they ever move to surface if left open for a long time, or the molecules that get trapped stay trapped. I was thinking about it from wax tablet which made for wardrobe refreshers, in those case then molecules only from surface diffuse the one in centre must be stay trapped. Would love to hear your thoughts.
I wouldn't worry about them ever moving to the surface, but your tablet example is interesting. Like I mentioned in the video, there might be a tiny bit *from* the surface that evaporates, but I wouldn't expect there to be any real impact to the performance of the candle. And a lid certainly wouldn't stop that from happening even if it was a concern.
Thank you for sharing Kevin 😊
You got it, steweythecatdog!
Hi there. I just wanted to know. Some suppliers say the pouring temp of fragrance oil for soy wax is always 85°C, regardless of the type of soy wax but some suppliers say that the pouring temp of fragrance oil depends on the type of house. What do you think of this?
Additionally, what's your take on adding coconut oil to soy wax for a better hot throw?
I stand by 85°C from the perspective of a candle design. If a fragrance house creates something that volatile, it's unlikely it would perform under the scrutiny of the melt pool/flame temperatures the blend is exposed to when in use.
Re: coconut oil - I'm all for experimentation, but I like to keep things simple if I can 😁
Very informative, thank you for sharing. How about if I making candles with essential oils, will this rule apply for then as well.
Yes, with a small caveat: not every essential oil will hold up under the heat, and they’re a lot less friendly for candle making (generally). But worth trying anyways! Still 185°F.
@@ArmatageCandleCompany Thank you so much for responding.
Thank you for the detailed explanation.
You got it! I appreciate your comment.
Can you tell me what is the shelf value of a scented candle?
Retail prices range from $5 to $500. If you're talking about shelf life, vegetable-based waxes (soy, rapeseed, etc) are prime in the first 2-3 years usually. Paraffins and others are stable for a lot longer in theory, but I haven't really been to the outer limits of many of them so it's a bit of conjecture on my part!
@@ArmatageCandleCompany ty so much. I mixed up my words 🤭 I was asking about shelf life. And ty for replying immediately.
You got it! Glad to have been of help!
What temp should it be poured once you add between 185-200?
Sir what is the suitable temperature for pouring paraffin wax in plastic mould so that we can get shinny candle. Please reply sir
Thank you 🙏
You’re welcome 😊
Can please review CW3 wax? There are tons of hater there for this wax. The say has no CT or HT. It.has amazing CT and HT once you figure out how to work with it. Thanks
C-3? Love it. It's definitely fickle, but with a ton of upside.
@@ArmatageCandleCompany the Cargrill's brand, thought it was CW3, but I've been up close to 36 hours and 24 hours ago I was in surgery. So I might be off a tad on the name. 😵💫🥴🤦♀️
Im from the uk and we dont heat up to 85c its all different for different waxs, why is that? Im confused
Fireman and Hazmat Technician here: please know that flash point is the MINIMUM temperature the fragrance oil will start to off gas an ignitable vapor! Wether or not that ignitable vapor is concentrated enough to ignite depends on the LEL which can be found in the safety data sheet associated with that fragrance oil
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Hi. Do the same principles apply for making wax melts? I've been researching how to make wax melts for a new hobby, maybe candles later on. Also have you ever used IGI 6006 blend with IGI 4625 wax for wax melts or have any recommendations for the best wax to use. Thanks
I'd still follow the advice. Although there's no chance of an open flame igniting a pool (the whole thing gets melted down at once when it's used) the same "safety" concerns don't apply.
What matters more for melts is the consistency: if you don't have an even blend throughout the wax, then some melts may have an absurd amount of fragrance oil in them and others may be lacking. An even blend assures you the melts will be consistent.
Thank you, great video. This is probably a stupid question but here goes...I use a rapeseed and coconut wax that has a melt point of 104 F so would it damage the wax if I heat to high temps before I add the oil and affect the HT...thank you for helping my old brain!
Melt point is only tempt at which the wax will melt.
Coconut wax needs heated heated to about 215° of I recall correctly. I never worked with rapeseed oil but I'm sure the company gives recommended temps.
With all that being did, I'd hear it up in between the two temps if rapeseed couldn't be heated as high as high coconut.
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Agreeing with Melissa here. I stand by 185°F, maybe even 200°F for that blend, but start at 185°F and increase if it isn't blending right.
@@IrishQ76 thank you
@@ArmatageCandleCompany thank you...I'll give it a try at the higher temp, I have a wax melter so didn't want to waste a load of wax
What about Coconut Wax? I have heard all over the place that it requires higher temps, really between 200 - 225f. Is this true?
Yes, it still applies! Especially since you’ll be pouring those hot anyways. The biggest dangers occur when you’re below 185°F.
If its true that wax should never be melted beyond 185 F, then how is it ok to add FO at 185F?
Does a candle continue curing after you light it for 3-4 hours?
Technically yes. The melted wax cools and cures again. That’s why I’d you bring a candle that recently been burned it usually forms a melt pool quicker (wax dependent, of course)
@@ArmatageCandleCompany thank you so much for the reply! I appreciate all the information shared here in your channel. All the blessings to you and all your endeavours. Kate from Vancouver 🇨🇦
Does the 185 f apply to coconut and rapeseed blend wax? 🤔
Thanks for your videos ❤ i love them. Im trying to make pillar candles. Im using kerasoy. Can i still use all information you are giving , for my pillars?
Ive done 3 candles to test sent throw. I heated up to 86. Then i added fo straight away. Another one i added at 80. Another one i added at 75. I poured to moulds around 68-72
They all has very low cold throw.and no hot throw at all. What would you suggest?
My supplier told me to heat wax to 75-80. But not more then 90.
All candle makers i see they heating up to 75.
Supplier told me that i need to add fo at 65. They told me to find out myself when is best time to add fo( very helpful) And a lot of candle makers doing same.
I have tried and hot and cold. But no big difference. Couldn't get good sent.
Sorry for long story. I hope you can suggest me something 🤗🙏
What about stirring? I'm working with a coconut apricot/ paraffin blend which people and manufacturers suggest only stirring for 30 seconds and then pouring right away. Should I do 2 minutes instead?
I’d always stir for at least 2 minutes for certainty and safety.