5 Secrets For A Better Hot Throw in 2024
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Obviously, the “scented” part of scented candles plays a crucial role in successfully running a candle operation.
Or maybe you’re just making candles for friends and family.
Either way, every candle maker should understand how scent throw works in candles and how to increase it. That’s what this episode is about.
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This is the best video I have seen regarding HT yet! and I have watched a billion! LOL
This really helped me so much. I didn't get a hoot HT off of this specific FO and was wondering if it might just be the oil, and then wondered what other key parts might effect it. Thank you so much!
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Great video! So what temp would you say the melt pool should be at for an optimal hot throw? I would assume below the flash point of the fragrance oil right?
Great video
True! I was testing a candle in a room and was disappointed in the lack of throw until I walked into the room across from it!!! All the smell was in that room.! Is was so bizarre. Difference between the rooms is the room that had all the scent was much cooler in temperature.
Heat transfers from warm to cool - I wonder if it had anything to do with that?
@@ArmatageCandleCompany yes perfect example. Thanks for your video great information!
Oh dear, I was wasting a lot of oils... I thought this was the reason my candles didnt have a strong cool throw (and hot throw) I wasnt curing them either... (T_T) Thank you for this video. Great job you do!
Sometimes you can get a hot throw without curing, but if you're making soy wax, or vegetable wax, it can make an enormous difference!
@@ArmatageCandleCompany Yes, I'm using soy wax (low melting point) I hope I do things better from now on. Thanks :)
Thank you! What temperature should melt pool be?
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Hey thanks for all the tips:) what do you think an ideal melt pool temp is for soy wax?
thank you!
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Such great info as always! I see some people in the candle groups are adding a small coconut oil to their soy waxes and they are saying their HT is improved. Can you explain why this would be? Does the coconut oil increase the burning temp of the wax? Have you ever tried this?
Sometimes adding coconut oil adds more problems than it helps with, particularly since you risk overloading the wax if you ALSO plan on adding fragrance oil to it at a volume that exceeds the waxes capacity. Will it help hot throw? No idea. I'm not saying it doesn't, but it always feels like conjecture to me. I believe scent throw is a stronger function of wick size, fragrance characteristics, container, and room more than it is the wax. However, waxes that are less dense have the capability to throw further. I'm really not sure how the densities compare between coconut and soy, but that's the only conclusion I'd draw from it.
Ah - now I know why BBW candles can have that kerosene smell, sometimes they burn way too hot! Thanks for the excellent information!
I've had a few that smell that way too!
How do u decrease the temp of the melt pool ? Like if my candles burns really hot is there a way to make it burn in a lower temp?
Thoughts on stearic for hot throw in coconut apricot wax?
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Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! I am very new to candle making and just made my first test candle with a fragrance oil from candle science that I have verified through their site works well with 464 soy. This might be a dumb question but will ask because I know I will be critical of my candle scent. Since I like my candles to have a strong scent so what is the easiest way to determine if the HT is a good/strong? I am having a hard time determine how I am going to test this since I am not sure what is a good HT. Thanks in advance
Good information!
Hi there! I 've made a candle that smells amazing but I can't smell the last part of the candle while I'm burning it. Why's that? Thanks for sharing =)
Hey thank you for this video. Question if I add little 92 degree coconut oil in my soy wax is that good? For a hot throw?
I'm a beginner, I'm so confused but I get it lol
same
i know i'm a total nerd, but have you figured out a formula/algorithm for the best temp to add FO or melt-pool temp relative to a FO's flash point? thanks a ton!
Hi Kevin, thanks for your videos, all things explained fast and easy. A question on fragrances: Is it always necessary to use a carrier/solvent (DEP/DOA) or the fragrance can be mixed directly into the wax? My latest attempt was Bornafix fragrance (10%) DOA solvent (15%) and paraffin wax (75%) but there is no smell at all.
You're far too smart for me, Alexis. Wish I could help but it's an area I haven't dabbled in yet. Try basenotes.net - lot of good stuff there.
Try using that oil in other non-candle applications too. Check what I wrote here about easy ways to test if your fragrance is even a good candidate: armatagecandlecompany.com/blog/fragrance-oil-blending/#testing
You are the best teachers. So glad I found your channel. Thank you for all the info.
Love watching your videos! My only problem when making candles is after a few days my candles start sweating oil idk why I always measure my oils to the amount of wax which is soy wax 646! If you have any thoughts on why this happens
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so for someone just starting what is the easiest way without spending a ton to develope a good candle? seems like i could make hundreds of candles in all sorts of scents wax and wicks and get different results.
I know i want to use soy or soycoconut blend in a rustic looking tin around 8oz in size, how do i narrow in on my wick size to make sure that im burning the right temp melt pool and still pass the standard industry saftey testing?
I've been struggling with hot throw in some of my melts. I was wondering if increasing the FO load would be the most practical way to try to get a better throw? I already cure for more than 2 weeks ( I use soy) and my formula seems to work well with most FO's. Thanks!
It's worth a shot. Wax melters vary SO much with their amperage, so if you can't get a winner in your current melter see if you can find another one to test in. Also move it to a different part of the room and see if that changes anything. I've been surprised before!
I know this video is 2 years old. But I have to talk about how I get a good HT. The average time to cure a candle is 2 weeks. However, I let my candles cure 4 weeks minimum and the HT and CT are amazing.
So when exactly should one start adding FO? What temp? At what temp is a good temp to get a good hot and cold throw?
The temp you add FO is only one of many factors, and I haven't found it to be one of the main reasons a candle throws better or worse. However, I recommend you start by adding FO around 185°F (85°C) unless your wax has special circumstances or you're experimenting with different temps.
How long should you cure a wax melt?
Do you think it makes sense to have a wick for summer and a wick for winter if your niche is placed somewhere where temperature changes drastically between seasons?
That’s not a horrible idea but it is a lot of accommodations. I think most assume a reasonable room temp between 68°F and 80°F, but that’s not always going to happen either.
thank you, so informative! I'm wondering, for a soy candle (5oz travel tin) how long would you recommend curing? and also, how do I check my wax pool temperature and what do I do with that number once I know it (ha)? Thanks in advance for your help and best to you in 2021!
ps. I'm using a 6inch wick....? candle is about 2.2 inch in diameter
Soy: 2 weeks works absolutely best if you have it to ensure the fragrance is substantially distributed and the medium is hardened throughout. When you know that number, you can triage issues that happen with LATER candles by comparing it. Just one of many other factors. For instance, if you have a design that works well but later builds start to lose their scent (or more likely, a customer notifies you) - you can perform a standard test of the design and compare the melt pool temp to whatever you previously recorded. Too hot? Too cool? Just another signal - but it can sway a lot of things and open your eyes to more intelligent adjustments in some cases.
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Hello! :)
I've been trying to make paraffin-soy blend wax melts. I've been doing about 10% FO. It smells strong while I'm making it, but my CT and HT are both weak in the end. It seems worse when I try adding FO at 185 degrees and it seems a bit better at 170, but it's still not ideal.
I melt the wax in a double boiler, get the temp back down a bit to where I need, then mix the FO oil in and let it cool a bit before pouring. Any clue what I could be doing wrong to have such weak HT and CT? I've used this warmer for other melts from other people and have had no problem with paraffin or soy, and I haven't moved it to another room, so it should be consistent. So bummed my melts are always weak lol
Some fragrance oils just don't perform :( If you can't get a melt to work, it's probably the fragrance oil, unless your melter is too hot or cold for the wax, which happens.
@@ArmatageCandleCompany perhaps! I think my warmer should be fine. It doesn't have an issue with wax melts I e bought from other people, so it must just be my FOs. Good to know! Thank you! :)
I’m confused about the melt pool temperature. What’s the typical temperature to achieve a good HT?
Depends on your specific blend. I've had awesome throw in the 130-140 range, but I've seen candles do well around 150 as well. Sooo many factors, and the best way to learn which MP temp is right is to identify it in an already successful candle design. As in, if you find a design that checks all the boxes, note down the MP temp an hour into the burn to see where it ends up. Mostly extra information, as you can't really "make" a candle burn a certain temperature as a input, but sometimes helpful!
Hey! I just found your video and it was so helpful! Question for you- do you have an average temp you recommend for the wax to be at for a good hot throw? I use 10% fragrance with soy 464 and CD7 wick in 8oz amber glass jars and I cure them for 2 weeks. I still can’t get a hot throw! I don’t get it. I just temped my wax it’s sitting around 125-130F, do you think that it’s not hot enough?
That's so hard to answer given the tremendous variety of factors: wick type/size, fragrance oil type and amount, container shape, wax quality, and room conditions. For me, it's a LOT of iterations then finally measuring that MP temp after I find a winner to dial in that metric for later designs (if something goes wrong).
Maybe the wick is too small, I think for the 8oz amber jars they are using CD wick
@thechelsealeung Hello, did you figure out the temp? I am stuck on same problem. My pool is at 125 - 133 and no hot throw at all. Did you change wick size? I am only using essential oil and soy wax 415.
Can you elaborate on container design?
Generally speaking, it's easier to promote healthy convection with a container that doesn't suffocate the flames (doesn't taper too much at the top). Containers that are very wide can be trickier too if the walls can't heat up as much - more heat escapes directly to the atmosphere in some cases. But it's one of many factors, so worrying too much about the container shape when everything else jives is wasted energy imo.
Hi. When dealing with Essential Oils. Should I wait till the Flashpoint of each oil to put in in the wax melt? (Using Soy Wax)
Great question. Whenever you add, just make sure to stir stir stir! Check out this video on flash points too: czcams.com/video/FZELjIxZTAM/video.html
How to know a good wick? Im a newbie or wanna be lol . i just ordered my materials and keep myself learning how to make candle in you tube. Pls help.
Buy from any of the major suppliers in your geography. Typically anything you find in the list on this post is a good place: bit.ly/3eHco4k
How do you know which wicks to use?
i use c-3 nature and tbh getting a good hott throw i;ve struggled with for almost a year.....
What is the ideal temperature of a melt pool?
Is there any video dedicated to cold Throw?
While curing candles, both 6006 and 464 does the room have to remain a certain temperature? Is it bad for candles to be in a cold room?
Colder is harder since you're trying to allow an even cool rate. When the air is colder the candle tops usually harden too quickly and end up cracking (in a circle) after the middle cools - this happens because wax shrinks as it cools, and the middle "pulls" the top down causing cracks.
You may say, "well then I'll just cover the top with something to keep the heat in!" And that could help, but it could also hurt. If the heat given off by the wax radiates BACK on to the candle, that can cause very strange looking tops. Consistent temperature is better, and I recommend trying to lock it in between 70°F and 75°F for the first 5-6 hours after pouring if you can. Oh, and take notes!
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So generous with your information, thank you. Do you have a video specific to temperatures required at each stage of making soy candles with essential oils?
Soy wax? Always add at 185°F - 190°F and stir for two minutes. Pour temperature can vary, including all the surrounding factors (environment, process, equipment, etc). Essential oils and fragrance oils I treat the same as far as temperature is concerned, but they don't all perform. Don't worry much about losing notes to heat, but tighten your process down and focus on safety first.
Hello. witch wax do you think that do a better job with the hot throw?
You can get a great hot throw with almost any wax if you pair it with the right fragrance, wick, container and room. But more specifically, paraffin is less dense and travels further easier. If we think about soy, it is more dense/heavy, and would fall to the earth faster than a paraffin equivalent. Another way to think about it is that most fragrance oils that work well in soy will almost always work well in paraffin, whereas every oil that works well in paraffin won't *necessarily* work well in soy.
And there are a lot of wax types out there, so I'm just generalizing. Lower density = easier throw potential.
@@ArmatageCandleCompany What about coconut and coconut based waxes in term of the density and the release the fragrance?
I know you talked more about soy. Does your analogy also works for coconut wax?
For sure! Just about any combustion system that uses fragrance oil
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Would you recommend using only EO for wax melts?
That would work out just fine depending on the EO. Wax warmers vary in temperature quite a bit, so if the warmer is too hot it could hurt more volatile EOs.
What wicks do you recommend?? Please help a girl out I’m at my wits end trying to figure out what wick brand to use 😫😁
Depends on the wax usually. Here's a good starting point: bit.ly/3r9x1Lu
@@ArmatageCandleCompany sweet, thank you very much! 😄
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Question: Do you think that the flash point of a fragrance and the welting point of a wax can help determine how well the two will go together?
If they are connected, I wager it's still not that simple. "How well" is a bit subjective too, given how varied our sensitivities and preferences to scent are. It would require so much testing with so many different controls to find anything, but even then I bet it would be grasping at straws because there are so many factors that impact your candle outside of the chemical properties of the fragrance oil and wax melting point (viscosity, ambient conditions, wick size, wick quality/priming material, container material and shape, etc).
I wish it was as simple as identifying two properties and putting them together, but I haven't found that to have any sort of consistent predictability if I look back at successful designs. Great question!
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Welcome to the big leagues lol
Which is the best melt pool temperature?
Varies so much depending on your candle. Best to find a candle that's working well and capture it at that point. Then you can peg that temperature to that design.
For how long should C3 wax be cured? On the suppliers website it says 24hrs.
I recommend two weeks for best results. See this curing video for why: czcams.com/video/6MBj09crxdY/video.html
Where do you get your supplies from?
All over the place! I try to source wide and far.
I’m having such a hard time figuring out the best wick for my system. It’s tough. Also considering paraffin but why is it so “frowned” upon?
I would also be curious as to why? Im struggling with my wick as well. Its crazy how extreme 1 wick can perform than the next. I got SO many here at home and i have been trying double as well, but im not feeling it. Im ocd i think lol.
@@ThommyGunnGaming RIGHT?? The wicks are honestly the very thing keeping me from launching my candles. I hate there not being a clear cut and dry answer for what wick to use. The ones I am currently messing with givea a great hot throw but burn insane. It’s frustrating😩 Hopefully you’re having luck!!
So, does that mean that if I am going for a smaller candle in a small container, I should add less fragrance?
Is there a way to measure out how much fragrance to put depending on the container size?
So what wicks do you recommend for a soy wax ?
CD, ECO, CSN are good suggestions and work for a lot of different soy waxes.
What is that temp to get a good melt pool
It's going to depend on the individual candle, influenced by the wick, container characteristics, and fragrance oil. I can't give you a specific range that universally applies, unfortunately.
What wicks do you use?
All of them. Depends on the wax blends I'm using and how the fragrances respond.
Does lack of oxygen with a tea light candle in a deep jar stop the hot throw? How important is the air circulation. I burned a hobby lobby candle in a deep red jar lantern and got almost no scent. I will burn one in the open and see if its different and let you know.
Ok, so far, the burning of the same kind of hobby lobby candle in the open has even less throw or scent. I notice also that the wax on one side of the tea light candle is unmelted. So the lantern situation did better. How weird.
How container can affect the fragance?
Been watching some of your videos and they're great. Enjoying your presentation, and style. Makes it easily digestible.
I learned from your other video about wick testing to figure out which wick works with x jar, and x wax. Once you've figured that out, does the FO testing come in next? Like, you'd have for example, 5 same jars, wax and wick, but different FO% to figure out which ones better? But wouldn't the FO pouring temp (ie. pour FO in at 165f) AND the whole mixture pouring temp (pour at 135f) factor in as well? Jesus that's a lot of different types of testing...
My 2nd question: What do you do with the wax and wick that's left from after the wick testing? Can you reuse the used/burned wick and would the wax be just as good if it's been unused?
Thank you
Wow great questions. Let me see if I can break it down decently - tell me if I'm losing you.
I always start fragrance-less. Find the baseline wick that works for that WAX and CONTAINER for a safety test. Once you have that, pour with any temps you mentioned with fragrance and the baseline wick. Test, and adjust wick (or fragrance) depending on what fragrance impact looks like. These adjustments account for the fragrance being added, no matter the concentration, and rule out the possibility of wick choice being poor from the wax or container (both valid factors).
Number two - failed wick tests usually end up in my personal graveyard that I burn through if they aren't horribly offensive haha. I sometimes remove the wax from the jars by force too (see: czcams.com/video/4qGBCsE0rsk/video.html)
I hope that's helpful!
@@ArmatageCandleCompany Thank you for the break down. I think I understand
Does more fragrance "strengthen" the flame??
Kind of, and kind of not. It alters the required combustion balance which can be good or bad, depending on your wax, environment, wick, and fragrance load. It would be sweet to have more in depth studies on that, but my answer is the limit of my knowledge on that matter lol
@@ArmatageCandleCompany wow thanks so much for the response. I have 4 candles with different oils and yeah the melt pools definitely differ between each one, some have made the wax harder and others not so much - definitely one of the things that’s insanely hard to test 🙃🙃🙃
For how long should a vegetable wax candle be cured. Thanks in advance.
Longer is better. My main recommendation is 14 days in stable conditions. Lid on or off, doesn’t matter which. If you HAVE to cut that early, make it at least 10 days.
@@ArmatageCandleCompany Thank you so much Sir!
thank god for this video because I just made a soy candle and was testing it for scent throw and...... I smell nothing 😩
It's a hard one to figure out sometimes!
What did you end up doing? I have that same issue 🥺
Thank you so much for all your videos ❤️❤️but why this video is not translating on Arabic 🤔🤔🤔
My candles give a very good cold throw but once you burn it nothing happens 😂 and they shrink when they cure. What can I do to avoid it😪
How did it do on a safety test? Are you using soy wax? Typically no hot throw is a result of the wick so I usually start there.
@@ArmatageCandleCompany Thank you for the reply. Safety wise I didn't have a problem when trying it out. I don't really know much about wicks because where I buy my supplies they don't really label their products 😪. I am using paraffin wax.
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Does he add any tips on how to enhance it? So far he's just explaining how it works but not how to enhance it
How much fragrance oil should one use per pound of wax?