I tested the Angle Grinder Resistant Litelok X1 (against the Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit Mini)
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- A quick angle grinder test of the new Litelok X1. See my full review here: thebestbikeloc...
A few points about this video:
1. The angle grinder is a mains powered 720w Makita (GA5030R).
2. As such, this video is a comparison of the angle grinder resistance of two locks, rather than any measure of how long it would take to cut the Litelok in the street with a battery powered tool.
3. Apologies for the quality of the video, it was done in a rush with equipment and software I hadn't used before.
See my full usability review of the Litelok X1 here: thebestbikelock.com/best-u-lock/litelok-x1-review/
I want to lock this to my back wheel (Tmax) motorcycle and a ground anchor can I do it with 2 of this locks
Seperti terbuat dari karet dan plastik.
Gunakan gerinda untuk potong kayu.
Dear Kryptonite and Abus,
If you're watching, what is going to be your response to this much higher level of protection? Why haven't you made any serious improvements to your line of products? Litelok and Hiplok are now on the scene, with locks that are resistant to angle grinder attacks. Apparently you have no answers. These rouge lock makers are now here to eat your lunch, because that you have become too complacent.
You make a very good point.
@@TheBestBikeLock I wonder, just how many people who have had their bikes stolen, that could have been prevented???
...That is if those two companies, who are rich in resources and money would have made an effort to take it to the next level.
The irony is that these two companies have their so-called protection ratings. Time to make a new rating systems.
If you think this X1 lock is impressive check out the testing on their X3 lock ....
Fahgettaboudit
i have suggested for years that bike locks be time rated, as in , how long does it take for an angle grinder to defeat the lock .
I was gonna say you did better than other videos I’ve seen but then I saw you used a corded grinder lol. I’ve seen many cordless grinders fail against this lock and they had to change discs multiple times. Awesome video mate
Yeah, I would like to see a cordless grinder tackling the lock while it's on a bike in a busy bike rack. That would be a more interesting real world scenario.
@@TheBestBikeLock Who will be the first content provider, that steps forward and provides this championship throw down of Bike lock protection between the Liteloc X1 and the Hiploc D1000?
@@ilovephotography1254 If you do a fair comparison with the D1000 you should do it with the X3. Because the X1 is one category below. Someone did it already on CZcams. Or did at least test both. Can't remember. Just look it up.
@@stefanmuller1017 Please note the date when I left my original comment.
@I Love Photography Well, I, for a fact, don't see 1st April, unless you are referring to the fact he replied to you after 3 months and you do not like it... instead of appreciating someone who provided you with an informative reply.
I’m so happy I just bought the litelok.
Thank you. I think I will get this. My Kryptonite NY lock (1 below the fuhgeddaboudit) was 90% angle-grinded in 2020 just as my doorman came to the rescue-he saved the bike. Apparently took 4 minutes with a cordless angle grinder to do 90%. I’ve been nervous ever since.
Indeed. Also recommend you use the Litelok X1 in conjunction with the Skunklock, the Foldylock Forever and the Hiplok Gold chain lock. That'll for sure deter even the most brazen of professional thieves!
@@chaxologist2024 I got the X1 a week or two ago. We will see. My original intent was to use my old Kryptonite (I got a new one right after the first was angle-grinded-at that time I didn’t know there were any better products around) in addition leaving at the spot outside my building. But I haven’t really done that-2 locks is kind of a pain, but I may do it starting May.
Skunklock is of very questionable legality… hiplok’s D1000 to me is the gold standard, but it’s heavy and too small to be convenient for locking up in many spots. Not familiar with Hiplok’s chain offering, but chains are just too heavy to carry. If I decided to really go full security for my typical location outside my building I would probably get a chain just for that location-but I’ve already got this Kryptonite lying around…
@@kineahora8736 Well, first of all, the Skunk Lock has been tested to be food grade and non-lethal which passed certifications so it is essentially a pepper spray. If you are skeptical about its legality, then I only recommend using it to strictly lock the bike frame to the rear wheel only, not even to the bike rack as an absolute last resort.
Secondly, the D1000 is so strong that thieves might as well just cut the bike rack itself in less than half the time it takes to cut the former not to mention its clearance is very restrictive compared to the X1 and X3. I'd prefer the Litelok X3 over the Hiplok D1000 since it is more versatile and has more clearance like a standard U-lock while being nearly as angle-grinder resistance as the latter. Any lock stronger than the X3 becomes redundant as the thieves would then realize it is easier to cut the rack than the lock itself after wasting at least a good 5 discs on one shackle (may take 3 with a Diamond disc) of an X3.
The Hiplok Gold you can actually carry around in your hips and fastens like a belt which would weigh a lot less than it looks at 5 pounds, making it extremely portable while being hard to angle grind when locked high above in the bike.
I also forgot to mention that you can use the Litelok Core which is an upgraded version of the Litelok Gold with more robust and elliptical profile, ideal for wrapping arounf thick objects for maximum clearance and its Sold Secure Diamond for bicycles.
That would be all the locks I would recommend to combine, locked on BOTH sides of a thick and sturdy bike rack.
@@chaxologist2024 nah in New York we don’t have much in the way of racks and I never use them (too insecure) I only lock to street signs and thick scaffolding piping. Light poles are usu too thick for internal dimensions of D locks. Bringing me to the agreement with you regarding the hiplok D1000 which has too small interior of shackle to be versatile enough. The X3 is nearly ideal for me, but it was über expensive, a bit heavier, and not yet available when I got the X1 which I think is on the lighter side of ideal… for locking a various locations, while maybe an additional lock for the usual spot outside my building…
@@kineahora8736what about parking meters in NYC? In San Fran I would always lock to them. No way anyone's going to be able to cut through one of those
No matter which high end lock you choose, it's going to become increasingly difficult to find something to actually lock your bike to that's not much easier to cut through instead.
That's the problem. The litelock costs $260 which would be great if it wasn't locked to a cheap bike rack. Mind you the thief will likely try to cut the lock first ruining their blade at least. Very expensive lock though, only worth getting for very high end bikes which shouldn't be left unattended in the first place.
Hey I’m about to get my first bike & unfortunately I live at a apartment with car ports. Would y’all say it’s best to use this lock around the tire & use a chain to connect the lock & carport pole?
@@littleripper312 This lock + hidden GPS tracker is quite a good security for your bikes.
That's why you should use X1 in conjunction with other locks such as the Skunklock, the Hiplok Gold chain lock, the Foldylock Forever and the Litelok Core on BOTH SIDES of a thick and sturdy bike rack (a closed-loop one welded strongly to the ground). Even if these amalgamation of locks happen to be stronger than the bike rack, the thief still has to make at least 4 CUTS to both sides of the bike rack to successfully steal your bike!
@@BrianLeeHolmwood Nobody is going to spend that kind of money on bike racks unfortunately.
I'm currently using a Diamond rated 2 metre long 12mm squared hardened chain with 2 locks (I added a second myself) so I can lock it in an 8 instead of just an 0. That requires 4 cuts to get through it plus chains are difficult and dangerous to cut with an angle grinder. They can shatter the blade with very nasty consequences. I also use a gold rated D Lock. That's almost 8kg of security wrapped around my seat post.
The long chain allows me to secure my bike to long lengths of iron fences, benches, electric and light poles and trees. I don't believe a bike thief has ever gone out to steal a bike with a chainsaw?!
I can't do any more without it just becoming ridiculous. The most effective way to stop commercial bike theft would be to introduce a mandatory and universal bike registration scheme for every bike at time of purchase. It would be relatively cheap to implement but it will only work if its mandatory without exception and also is implemented across borders to prevent the mass export of stolen bikes. If a bike can't be easily sold then it's not worth stealing. There's a lot more to it than that but I'm not in the mood to write a whole page of details. Unfortunately it appears bike manufacturers, retailers and legislature don't really care.
My litelok was just delivered last night … have only had a chance to put it on my Ariel Grizzly Rider around a rear wheel and part of the frame ~ At this point I’m not sure if there’s enough room to attach it to a bike rack ….. so I’ll definitely be looking for another locking mechanism … probably a forgetaboutit chain for the front tire and the frame … Watching this video makes me feel secure I chose the right lock for my bike .even though EVERY lock given the right situation can be compromised.
Oh I also do have TWO ALARMS on this bike !
This video sold me on the X1. A crackhead with a cordless grinder isn't getting through that in any scenario where I'm leaving my bike unattended (i.e., just a few minutes). Definitely easier to cut the bike rack itself at this point.
Much better video than all the ridiculous ones sponsored by hiplok for their d1000. About a minute to cut I can believe. I can't wait for influencers to try to get through this.
It would of course take longer with a cordless grinder. For me, the most important thing was that I had to change discs. That is a significant deterrent to a thief.
Cordless grinders can be just as powerful if they aren't paired with really small batteries. Don't force or change the cutting angle of the grinder and you can avoid busted discs. I agree there is an extra level of protection on offer here which may or may not deter your neighborhood bike thieves more than let's say two less expensive u-locks. If they're determined they will find a way.
@@c.m.3661 Mmm I was under the impression that the cordless grinders were still not as powerful? It would be good to try one on this. Having tested it, though, I think (and hope) that the Litelok X series and the Hiplok D1000 will be game changers in terms of reducing angle grinder theft. Of course, a determined thief might move on to angle grinding whatever the bike is locked to!
I have the dewalt 60V saw kit from Broco it is excellent.
@@TheBestBikeLock for a 20v grinder you will need a battery that can deliver 40A to get to the power level of the one you are using. That is 18volt x 40amps = 720watts. No 2-ah battery like the ones you see used in many videos will do this. Most 18-20v cordless grinders are advertised as 720-800w but you need the correct battery to get to that. 40v ones can get to 1200w.
Looking at this video I still don't know why my bike wasn't stolen because I had exactly the same Kryptonite New York locking my front wheel to the bike rack and a Abus Granit X-plus 540 long shackle u-lock going around the seat-stay tubes, through the spokes of the rear wheel and around the other side of the bike rack.
The thief cut through the Abus with an angle grinder at the top of the U shackle, from there it would have been easy to bend out both sides of the shackle but the thing that really puzzled me is that the thief cut through the kryptonite new york in the same position, at the very top of the u-section, realised that he wouldn't be able to bend the shackle because it was much thicker than the Abus. So he tried to make a second cut on one of the straight sections of the U shackle - maybe one or a combination of things happened. The angle grinder died or more lightly, trying to make the second cut the angle grinder slipped and slashed through the front tyre - realising that he wouldn't be able to ride the bike away he just left the bike literally seconds before I got back to the bike rack to find my bike surrounded by concerned onlookers.
A very lucky escape for me, I ordered two Litelok X1s but I think it's time to get some sort of GPS tracker fitted to the bike - a Specialized Turbo Vado 5.0 SL e-bike in the city is a very tempting draw for bike thieves!
Just had my X1 through the post..Its defo a step above my other two 'Gold Secure' D-Locks...I feel a lot better locking up my bike now....!
Maybe the days of securely locking your “ good “ bike out of sight for any length of time other than normal short durations are now in the past !
These angle grinders are impressive but the small portable Cordless Bolt Cutters with replacement blades are now - the new game changer !
Just bought a new bike, while the krytonite evolution served me well. The increased cost of the bike made me decide to get one of these. Carrying them both is a ball ache tho😅
That's pretty impressive .
consider that the grinder is corded NOT cordless . this can make a big difference when pushing the grinder to its limit . the cordless may shut down for a moment due to excessive heat , increasing the cut time even more.
of course none of this matters if the bike being stolen is in London or NY . the people there will just walk on by and the police .if called , won't show up in time or if at all .
and the lock held firm in a vice,which helps.
I'm curious if passers-by would actually help you if you asked them nicely. 😊 Tell them you forgot your vice and you could use a helping hand. You would be surprised that even total strangers can be kind to one another. lmao
But well the bike thieves will just carry multiple ones. And switch if one of them fails
Could it be, only by coincidence the Litelok X1 is being released at the same time as the Hiploc D1000? I suspect not...
...I demand to see a head to head matchup against the 2 angle grinder resistant competitors. Who will be the first neutral party content provider, that steps forward and provides this championship throw down of Bike lock protection??? It's time to rumble!!!
Will get interesting when Litelok release the X3 later this month. More protection and priced head to head with the D1000...
@@bsidethecside2283 At this point I intend to buy the D1000 unless the X3 is soon released. I live in a big city where bike theft is common. I don't want to chance fate.
The LiteLok X3 is shipping in February, even better. :)
I just ordered the D1000 from REI. They are having a 20% off sale that brings the price down to $240+tax.
Watch Bennett bikesocial the x3 out performs the d1000, and here in the UK they are both the same price, d1000 just easier to carry
i wanna know if i can coat another u lock with something that chews up abrasive pads
You can add extra protection. It will however destroy the industry if it becomes common knowledge. You don't have to "coat" anything, and just wrap the U. That's the easiest way. There is other methods, but they will significantly add weight to the lock.
The problem is that U-locks are often difficult to attach and many bike racks only allow you to lock the wheel. In a world with plenty of solid bike racks that allow you to attach the frame this would be very useful.
Great test but do you like physical excursion? Why not flip the grinder over so the wheel is pulling away from you. Its also safer that way.
OK. really good shackle. What does the LPL say about the lock itself?
A friend of mine kept a motorcycle chained to a tree in NYC. Two dudes came with a van and city uniforms, cut the down the tree in broad daylight and rolled the bike up the ramp into the van.
Now, what was that about locks?
lol who knew lumberjacks were the real danger
I could be wrong, but I believe you're holding the angle grinder the wrong way. It should not be coming towards you when it binds, but away from you. Yes that will have the sparks flying towards you, but the guard should stop most of that. I'd rather the sparks flying towards me, than the grinder.
So... I imagine litelok is trying to overcome their failure for a few years ago? Is this locks core atleast decent? Obviously the x3 has the best core.
Yes, cracked in 13s with torsion approach, litelok with that narcissist Barron put in a slander claim about 17s litelok theft video while their own videos were fake with fake comments. Their recent X3 video is also fake, almost no sparks flying and supposedly not cuttable in less than ca. 25 minutes for 1 side. Nonsense. Wayne Winton cut through the X1 using metal cutting discs in 2:30 (3 discs), with a diamond disc in 1:10 (1 disc), both for a side, so for the X3 at most double that for a side (estimate using the relative times of cutting the X1 and X3 in "Bennets bikesocial" video.
Thanks for this video i'm gonna buy litelokx1 😍
X3 is better value for money save up for better peace of mind
interesting. But why isn't it constantly sparking when you cut the litelock?
I think that's due to the composite material that the Litelok is made from. It reacts differently to the disc than normal steel does.
The sparks are pieces of metal flying. So because it is not mental and there is less being thrown into the air at once you wont see it as much. It has a metal core so you see sparks later on.
As stated from various posts; if a thief wants it they WILL get it.
The best solution is to
1. Force them to take time to steal it
2. Use the best lock you can afford even if it’s not angle grinder proof. Sometimes just having a good lock stops the simple opportunistic thief.
3. Keep your bike in the open where less brazen thieves will not want attention
4. Get insurance for your bike as you can’t depend on 1-3 to prevent it from being taken.
And 5? Use common sense and just enjoy your bike.
If you're just heading into a shop for a few minutes, this lock could be the difference between keeping that bike or not.
What about a diamond or stone blade in the angle grinder? 🤔
It will be more durable but would cut slower than a steel cutting disc.
Its nice that the locks are grinder resistant but until someone like the @lockpickinglawyer tests the lock mechanism itself ill put it on the back burner.
Cut resistant bar doesn't mean crap if its a 15 second pick
Everyone tries to cut the solid U part of the lock. Wouldn't cutting the bottom be easier?
The bottom also uses the ceramic composite. He tries to cut the bottom in the Bennetts video: czcams.com/video/PUwjh8J4uec/video.html
Interesting, thanks
Can't get Litelok in Canada! Only hiploc! Why is that?
Are you sure? They have a Canada store us.litelok.com/en-ca
I wonder if there was an inconsistency in production. That seemed way easier to cut one side of the Litelok than I’ve seen elsewhere and when attempting to cut the other side it was more resistant.
the wheel was just worn down from cutting the first side
Also being a corded grinder it has more power than cordless
impressive!!
When you cut the X1 Lock could you have twisted it and removed an E-bike frame from it or would you have needed to make second cut to remove the bike?
Need to do two cuts, its a diamond rated lock so has anti rotation
What brand of cut off wheel did you use?
Was it the same brand for both?
Was it a new wheel for both?
Can't remember the brand. It's a standard disc. The same for brand both locks and new wheels each time.
You can open the lock with that key that opens all locks in 3 sec. No need to grind. In 3 sec will be bike and a lock gone
I haven't had any HUGE issues with this lock yet! czcams.com/users/postUgkxfyHDlEqk6hqu9acdvK5NGzZsGKSokSbv It seems sturdy and like it will get the job done. I really like that it has a twisting lock feature to keep out dirt and debris. However, the mounting system is much too light for the lock, and continues to get loose/move around. It's mostly made of plastic parts, and I've had to tighten it a few times in the past week or so that I've had it. I'm worried that it's going to break off at some point while I'm riding. I'm considering just scrapping that part, but that would mean having to carry the heavy lock i my backpack and adding more weight. I wish I could have given this more stars, but without the mounting system, it's just another heavy lock that I have to cart around. UPDATE: Increased rating to 5 stars because the seller offered to provide a new lock and mounting system. Really appreciate the attention to customer service!!
What would be your advice? One X3 or two X1s on my e-bike?
2 X1s would be very heavy. I would probably go with one X3
why did you start over with new disc? why didn't you continue the existing cut?
At which point in the video are you talking about?
Que tipo de acero es el candado Litelock
it would be more realistic to use a portable grinder than a corded . a portable will run the battery down fairly quickly using that much force .
As I've said a million times in the comments (there is even a pinned comment at the top of the page): this is not meant to replicate a street attack. It's meant to establish which lock has the most angle grinder resistance.
positive comments negative comments annoying comments etc are ALL registered by the algorithms as wanted channel activity , so you're welcome .
Does anyone know the weight of this U ? I cant find it and even on the official product page it is not indicated....maybe ashamed of something Litelok ?
edit: Looooooooooooool it was so hidden on the official page ahah
I really don't think it's hidden. I weighed it at 1.712kg btw
It seems to be a solid lock, but unfortunately it rattles very loudly within its holder when riding over bumpy ground.
I sent this video (czcams.com/video/YGSPQXZ_t8Q/video.html) to the Liteok-Support and they said, that this is a normal behavior and they will not exchange it:
"Our engineer has assured us that there is some movement built into the product itself which is required for smooth operation of the lock, and to ensure it securely locks every time. This appears as an audible noise in every D-Lock..."
So I send the lock back and bought an ABUS!
It would be quicker to cut the bike rack off the lock.
Why not try a diamond disk ?
I didn't have any. But the point of the video is not really how long it takes to cut the Litelok X1. It's more how long it takes to cut the Litelok X1 compared to the Fahgettaboudit Mini, all else being equal.
@@TheBestBikeLock Kryptonite? Fahgettaboudit!
It might be easier to cut the bike rack then.
Try some different methods. What if you barely press? What if you press too hard? What if you cut the body of the lock instead of the shackle?
why does no one do a test with a battery operated angle grinder, that would be a much more realistic real world example
There are loads of tests with battery operated grinders. This test is not intended to recreate a real life theft scenario. It's meant to compare the inherent angle grinder resistance of the two metals. Using a battery powered grinder could add variability (battery level related power differences) that would undermine that.
this appears to be an instructional video on how to destroy cutting discs .....
Now do a real world test with the ulock hanging off a bike and use a cordless grinder.
Kryptonite and abus do not want to sell locks that are this good. Because U would buy them only once thieves would recognise them and stay away . If everybody got them then that's one purchase only. This way you buy multiple products and none are safe enough to discourage thieves who will keep trying U will keep buying and supply and demand remains high plus cost of production remains low. So as I'm about to do myself...get yourself 2x Litelok x1 or 1x litelok x3 and get what you paid for plus supporting small business.
That's such nonsense. I literally have bolt cutter dents on my Abus locks.
Please try 42 inch bolt cutters
It has a 16mm shackle Meso, I'm pretty sure even 42" bolt cutters won't be able to crop it
@@TheBestBikeLock And most of it is mystery cermet which is very brittle...
@@MesoTroniK Mystery cermet?
@@TheBestBikeLock It obviously includes ceramic compounds as part of its construction. That is why it bogs down angle grinders so much.
@@MesoTroniK Ahh OK yes, I understand that it does include ceramics yes
Lol he's using a vise and a plug in power tool.
Thief will choose the easiest one to steal so these locks worked
poor grinding skills, but you cant expect much better from a junkie in the field. but both these locks are too expensive
Invalid test. In real life, the crook won't have a vice to hold the lock
This test is not meant to recreate a real life theft scenario. It's meant to compare the inherent angle grinder resistance of the two metals. Not using a vice would add variability (movement) that would undermine that.
Why this test is nonsense: 1) you used a corded angle grinder, much more power than a cordless one. 2) you steadied the lock to a flat surface with a clamp, which you cannot do in a city environment. This test is useless. You will take MINUTES to get through the Kryptonite, or any other D-Lock for that matter, with a cordless grinder that is dangling from the frame and cannot be steadied except by your hand. Try it. There's also a good chance that you break the disc if the work piece is moving around.
Given how long it takes under these optimal conditions, it only speaks positively to how well they will work in not optimal conditions.
What happened to the full sized fahgettaboudit lock?
Kryptonite New York Lock M18-WL. It's still available