Tesla FSD Beta V12 Update is ASSERTIVE Downtown!
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I miss your fsd beta videos, and the ones with Stefanie, they are so relaxing. I feel like a kid in the backseat. Also i think its so interesting to have all the small improvements and amazing how aware, cautious and patient you are with fsd beta.
Me too!
Thanks Chris for putting the effort into finding someone with V12 & taking him on your routes. Very encouraging!
going around the country and making video with all the contributors and their circuits is pure love.
At 35:30. The driver said it didn't go at its first opportunity, I think that was only because of it making its complete stop.
This video is fucking awesome though. It's so great to see such progress in FSD.
dang I had not been keeping up with v12 at all, I had no idea how much better it is than v11. Can't wait to get it!
Perfect timing for the pedestrian assertiveness narration!
I saw this on his channel I love your videos!!! I can’t wait for v12!!!
Yo Chris thanks for implementing my feedback I made sure to like it.
FSDb 12 failed bad at 27:15 and I’m glad the driver took over, as it looks like the car would have bumped into those pedestrians who had a walk sign. That’s a perfect example of why it’s not ready for wide-release yet.
What's the criteria you hold for wide release? Or are you conflating it with being ready for human less operation?
@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry not conflating with human-less operation. safety-critical things like this have halted previous wide-releases of FSDb versions. That’s why V11 is so extra cautious around pedestrians, and V12 needs to be adjusted to be closer to that again. The example timestamp I posted was a very close call, and wasn’t some crazy edge case.
Disagree about that one, think its a matter of assertiveness, which is adjustable. V12 totally saw the person from the right but wanted to cut him off, which it would if the driver didnt intervene. IMO.
I love these videos. So relaxing. I watch them as I am trying to nap and it feels like I'm on a roadtrip
I got so confused cuz i opened yt on my phone and saw this uploaded, which got me really exited because i have been waiting on your opinion on v12. But i had to do an assignment for school first, but then when i was done i couldn't find the video. And i figured that you took it down, but still i questioned my sanity. I thought i had been day dreaming that you made a video about v12.
lol I had to reupload it because i messed up the audio
excellent last couple of videos bro i love how giddy u get
You encountered sooo many Teslas on this drive. Imagine if they all had V12.
Yeah, and then talked to each other 👍
It would be chaos....
2:35 wow, that is assertive!
Should have yielded to pedestrian?
It seems the stop sign rule of full stop is messing up the neural timings for FSD. No normal driver stops completely in those situations, but FSD is forced to.
Normal people that are actually trying to follow the rules will stop. I guess it might be similar over there but here in Sweden you can actually lose your license. Running a stop sign is treated the same as running a red light.
@@Xanthopteryx You're missing the point, the training data is real world not just 'ideal' drivers like you.
@@elitnoctua The training data is simulations and real world data selected by people. You do not feed every drive from every car, because that is impossible.
And added to that, you use regular code (no, there is no end to end neural net for the driving) so you can modify the behavior. The problem is, and that has been seen since a long time back, that is you fix one thing, you break another, so there is a delicate line you are going to balance on to make stuff work in a reasonable way.
@@Xanthopteryx If Sweden is like the rest of Europe, then stop signs are used relatively scarcely and only at intersections that are actually dangerous. I have no problem stopping at stop signs (in a car, that is, bicycle is another matter) here in Europe because they are in places where it makes sense, but I'd go crazy if I had to completely stop at every stop sign in America, as they seem to put them at every single intersection that's not controlled by lights. In Europe, 99% of those would have either yield signs, a roundabout or no signs at all (right hand rule applying).
@@TheAngelsHaveThePhoneBox Yes, only used when really needed and of course never in a roundabout (that is like the stupidest idea and it defeats the good things with roundabouts).
Great test ride CHRIS thanks to your driver and passenger for the loan of v12
I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of the potential level of FSD. There’s a huge gap between what appears a nearly flawless version being driven as a level 3 driving assistance aid and true autonomy, not just on the safety aspect but reliability and non- handling of the myriad edge cases - many of which are human driver handles without even thinking about them.
Loving this. STL fsd user here. Patiently waiting 🤞🏻
Love it! It’s so cool to see how it does on streets I know. They’re not that hard for really good drivers, but they’re far from easy. I’m impressed!
nice video.. that last left turn though... oh man lol
Great video guys!
I just got FSD Beta version 12.3 this morning! I live in the DFW, Texas area. Did you get the update yet? Usually I get my update 2 weeks or so after you get the update. I have a refresh 2022 Model X.
It might just be a frequency illusion, but the number of Teslas you passed is crazy. Also, the left turns at the end were stressful, maybe because I didn't spend enough time with FSD, but I probably wouldn't trust it there.
Ann Arbor has a lot of Teslas these days. A few years ago you'd barely see any
Omaha Nebraska now has more Tesla cars and I've heard at the grocery store I work at that someone has possession of a cyber truck and we don't have many superchargers
Thank you for pointing out NOA lane change sucks on v11, I mentioned this on the Tesla discord and everyone butt hurt about it, the discord is basically a Tesla safe space can’t say nothing
I got excited thinking you got it! I get my updates when you do so I was extremely excited 😂😂😂
Same here, I really don't get why longtime Beta testers weren't prioritized for this rollout - I heard it's coming included on new vehicles! Shouldn't we be the best and safest ones to get the update, rather than a new Tesla driver who may have never used the software?
@slice0fpi934 I've been on FSD since December 25th 2021. The progression is game-changing. I know it definitely has to be a compute constraint issue with Tesla. From what I have been seeing in V12 updates, I believe this version will solve all of my edge cases and disengagement. With that said it absolutely makes no sense other than compute restraint holding back the wide release
@@U2B_Viewer Yep, I've had it since the first rollout to the Safety Score 100s (October 2021). Astounding progress since then, and miles safer and more natural - yet still incredibly frustrating with edge cases, and how consistently those cases mess the vehicle up. I haven't made it home without a disengagement since before 11.4, because one of the nearby turn lanes invariably tricks the car into trying to turn when there's still a quarter-mile to go. I have no doubt an AI-powered build will solve lane selection issues like that.
I do hope the compute restraint, if that is the reason for the delay, isn't so much that vehicles without HW4 never get v12 - I'm sure they could call v11 "feature-complete" to avoid lawsuits. What makes you so sure that's the issue, though? I could just as easily see the reason being that the cameras are higher-res and angled differently, therefore needing separate training for the models to work on older systems.
I believe I have seen hardware 3 vehicles with V12. Elon also has recently said that they have issues with compute constraint, but that will be solved before the end of the year. If anything, I would imagine they're being a delay with hardware 4.
V12 seems safer and more consistent in every way, so I doubt it would be a safety issue holding it back. 12.3 just rolled out so 🤞that it gets wide released soon.
@@U2B_Viewer Gotcha, that's a good sign then! Though I'd imagine the new vehicles that also have it would all be HW4. And it begs the question... why are HW3 vehicles getting it, but not the ones owned by longtime testers? Biggest bug in Beta, IMO XD
We can only hope it goes out widely soon haha. "2 weeks", I bet...
Everyone in Cali look out!
Long vid but watched it from start to finish...so entertaining especially watching the reactions of people. And was surprised at the data you've shown particularly the CO2 emission equivalent for that distance considering I have travelled 81,000miles in my ice car. However, there's no Tesla in the Philippines and the best option is BYD which I've test driven the other day but I decided to wait for Tesla maybe for 3-5years to arrive in PH if ever.
@DirtyTesla great video as usually. Regarding your doubt about the cameras being able to see fare enough, do you not think that if that was the case Tesla would already know it (this is very simple math for them) and have solved it already?
I think you're right, I've still seen zero evidence the cameras see far enough for high speed cross traffic, including in this V12.2.1 drive
Thank you for sharing this video. I wanted to see a different place other than California 😊
Hey Chris, Do you know what that warning was for at 33:41? I can't quite make it out. It sounded like lane departure/speed limit warning, but going by the situation the car was in, it doesn't seem like it was either of those. Thanks!
I am really bummed that I still have version 11 on my hardware 4. It has been very dangerous and even did a long drive from Chicago to north of Detroit via Ann Arbor the past couple days. The car did all kinds of weird things, including taking a right turn lane that it thought went straight through. it would often decelerate down to 48 mph on the expressway because it was afraid of the shadows of semis as I passed them. I guess when version 11 screws up, there is not even a reason to send a report since I don’t think they are even working on it or listen to those anymore unless you have version 12.
Another great video!
V12 is Mind blowing! Can't wait to see where it goes from here.
Mannn...got excited for a second😂
With highway lane change, try initiating with only half stalk press, also change in settings to assertive, so when you initiate the lane change with the turn signal it will move over quite a bit faster.
What you described - with V11 not wanting to change lanes - that’s my experience exactly
Which point release of version 12? (Important to know, since Tesla just released 12.3 the other day, which Elon says is a huge improvement from prior releases.)
I admit, I checked TeslaFi before watching the video to see if you'd finally gotten V12
I get a little wary also when the car just powers on by another car beside it in the other lane. But I assume the side cameras are measuring the distance to the other car accurately and it knows it can move past it or drive next to it. Of course, what FSD doesn't know is what the other car might do like suddenly change into your lane because it didn't notice the Tesla in the blind spot and maybe it's an older car with no blind spot warning at all.
The cameras can not accurately measure the distance to objects so no, you can not trust it.
The computer is guestimating distances and sizes of objects.
Its usually pretty good at those kind of situations. I remember when it would fold its mirrors sometimes to squeeze through
Looks really natural and love the assertiveness! Is this version 12.3?
This is 12.2(.1?). 12.3 is allegedly a big step forward from this even.
12.2.1, 12.3 started rolling 3 days after this was filmed
Thanks for specifying the exact version! Allows comparing with future minor version!
Getting FSD beta 12.3 now! In Connecticut
Nice! I'm gonna test it out tomorrow!
Ive been seeing FSD videos for a while and V12 is crazy to see. Looks way more human, confident and accurate than V11. As an European I hope It arrives here by eoy.
I've had the same issue with FSD ignoring my lane change command!
Lane Drift Fixed!! Hallelujah!!
Good vid
I assume this was assertive mode? apparently that makes a big and actual difference for this version. Assertive is fine but the more assertive you get the more competent it needs to be so it's perhaps a premature mode. A solid brisk is a good start. I was watching this on 2x but those pull outs on high speed roads looked 'tight'. Especially knowing that it drives like a russian new york cabbie trying to quit smoking.
At 2:40 it let one pedestrian pass and then cut off the second. It looked like the crosswalk was 30 feet earlier and they were jay walking. If that was a crosswalk, a ticket for sure as the second was in the road. Also, where the road was closed. Would have like to see the construction barrels where V11 always gets struck instead of merging to the left.
I love how the car gave that Jay walker a lesson
Students at university campus outnumber the cars and take the right of way as a matter of practice.
Nice
24:15 was there a crosswalk? If not, it did the right thing IMO
was very hard to see but there were white lines on the ground for a crossing
It's a very faded crosswalk
@@DirtyTesla Ah, thank you Chris
W Chris
I can see whole mars catalog is showing how it is slow but it also somehow assertive in other areas.
Maybe versions before FSD Beta V11,
The logical setting is to find an opening and move forward.
As for the logic of the V12 version,
This logic has been corrected?
How many disengagements?! I saw two
My V12 does NOT put the turn signal an before changing behavior.
I'm in FL and just got the v12 update 17 mar.
Was released mostly in CA as per Musk, the rainy driving needed more time learning
And they wise released I Florida just as they got a huge rain storm and everywhere else in the country was dry 😂
lol was this the video you was editing on the drive to FL?
Yes lol
Now imagine every car on the road has this software (all communicating with each other). Seems unimaginable now, but that'll probably be the future (very distant) for safety reasons alone.
I realized why V11 is slow with land changes on the highway. It won’t change lanes until the curve in the road straightens out. It won’t change lanes unless it fully clears a vehicle it has passed. There is something else that comes in to the decision of when to change lanes that I am forgetting, but once you understand why it’s waiting, it’s not bad that it’s waiting. Kinda like “phantom braking”. Just because you don’t recognize WHY the car slowed or braked, doesn’t mean the car did it for no reason.
Hopefully you get v12 soon for more testing with you or your wife behind the wheel!
I already watched this. Is this a reupload? Was there an edit?
Yeah, some people saying the audio was bad so if you already saw this then... Just let it play in the background so CZcams doesn't think you hate it 😂
@@DirtyTesla I thought I was going crazy. I saw it on my home page and then when I tried to watch it later it was gone. 🤣
@@DirtyTesla careful, you can get demonetized for this comment.
Is this 12.3?
12.2.1
SD 12
I drive FSD 95% of the time. FSD 12.3, a HUGE improvement over the last several versions. Saying that, I don’t know why any of you are pointing out two serious problems with this new version?
Are you having some issues with indecisive Lane Changes? Almost 30% of lane changes get a dip into the target lane and then a commit. I get some where it starts to go, then gives up. If there was one thing V10 or V11 did right it was decisive lane changes you could count on 95% of the time.
Also, my new “Automatic Set Speed Offset” is not so great. I’d say 80% of the time, just fine. Have had many times it’s just too slow. Like 35 in a 45. Or just barely doing the limit.
I have found you can accelerate to a desired speed and FSD will negotiate with you. Maybe not 55 in a 45, but I’ll let you have 48, or 51. Usually will degrade back to the speed limit when it sees another sign.
I tried going back to “Speed Assist” but it doesn’t work! I have mine set to 12% over the limit. Acts like “Automatic Set Speed Offset”. Used to flick the right speed wheel and it would bump up 5mph at a time. I can be in a 45 and set it to 75…. Nothing
Why are you not reporting these shortcomings?
I drove by the college a few years ago I thought I was playing Frogger.🐸
Since I have whined about the removal of stalks in previous comments, I feel obligated to report that, after picking up my new M3 two days ago, it is already second nature to shift gears on the screen and rapidly becoming intuitive to operate the turn signals from the steering wheel. I expect that within two weeks it will be fully intuitive. My concerns were misplaced. FSD V11 is still the same on the new car.
Congrats on the new car. I always say ppl complaining about no stalls haven't used it. It's superior and awesome!
2:39 it just said screw you lady 😂
🔥
12.3 MIGHT, be going wide. I got the update this morning, and I live in Virginia. I got no phone call or communication and have no connection to Tesla.
Can't you switch it in the menu so the car is less assertive while in fsd
He put it on Chill in the middle of the video lol, it was on average. But no solid evidence what that setting actually changes (besides what it says in the menu)
Any chance we see v12 videos from your car? Do tesla forgets its best fsd beta tester?
Tesla only really rolled it in California for now
How about Testing version 12.3.0 since its the current version
Im having dejavu
What setting was he on? Chill, Assertive, normal?
Started on chill, changed to normal, changed back to chill 😆
You will be amazed by 12.3
Is V12 any good?
Yeah
Is this v12.3?
I bet FSD saw the walk sign and was trying to take the opportunity to clear when I could so it wasn't obstructing their path. Granted it still should not have moved when the pedestrians were only a few feet away AND were noticably intersecting with the desired path of travel.
I think I heard that the shoes on the powerlines are for people who passed away.
is the car a hw3 or hw4 ?
HW3
😍😍
I just got v12 this morning 3/16/24 in Virginia..
Michigan?
Yes
I love the FSD V12. Only problem is that I have to hold the steering wheels all the time to avoid nagging
27:11 I don’t know about Ann Arbor but in the GTA technically what these pedestrians did would have been wrong. Once the white walking stick figure is replaced with an orange or red flashing hand and count down, it means obviously finish crossing if you’ve already entered the crosswalk, but also don’t leave the sidewalk to start crossing if you haven’t yet. Of course it’s completely ignored to the point, like with this guy, it doesn’t seem anyone even knows that’s the rule or they’re in the wrong when they’re breaking it. It causes such a problem in some busier downtown intersections that they’ve done away with the traditional crosswalk lights altogether and given the pedestrians a similar light system to drivers’ (which surprisingly has never tripped up V11). Pedestrians do always have the right of way though, even when they’re the one doing something illegal, not only because of how vulnerable they are but also because drivers are the ones who need to be licensed to use the roads, and there’s never any guarantee a pedestrian understands all of what’s going on, especially young, elderly, recently immigrated, and cognitively impaired pedestrians. It doesn’t change the fact that the guy who looked very irritated that your car was continuing through the crosswalk when he was only just about to enter it with a few seconds left on the countdown was completely in the wrong.
European here who's never seen such a thing - what's the reason for the countdown after it changes to red? Isn't it completely pointless? If you're not supposed to enter at all when it's red even if it's blinking and there are numbers next to it, then what does that countdown mean, that you should hurry to finish crossing before it runs out? What if you're a slow grandma, or have a broken leg or something and you don't cross in time, are you supposed to stop in the middle? Turn back? Accept a fine? Get legally run over by a car? Surely not. So I can see why people would find it confusing and not understand how it works because if it works like you said (and I can believe that because red should indeed always mean stop), then it makes zero sense.
Over here either there's no countdown and you can simply enter if it's green and finish crossing after it turns red however long that might take you given your abilities, or if there's a countdown, it counts during green and at 0 it turns red (and another countdown may start, informing you how much time before it turns green again). Meanwhile in the place in the video, it seems like someone was overthinking it and made something that should've been simple unnecessarily complicated, illogical and thus more dangerous.
@@TheAngelsHaveThePhoneBox in Ontario, Canada, it starts with a bright white stick figure walking which stays lit for some amount of time, indicating that pedestrians on the sidewalk can begin crossing. It switches from that to a red flashing hand with a countdown meaning, ideally, you aim to get out of the road by the end of that, and don’t enter if you haven’t already, knowing it means the traffic light will change when it’s done. When the traffic light changes, if you’re still in the road, you still have right of way as a pedestrian.
It'd seem like a timid driver in MA.
It kinda freaked me out to see the driver with no hands on the wheel. I like how Chris keeps at least a hand on in case something unexpected happens
FSD has progressed enough, now it's time to add Lidar back so it can see further.
You'd have to overcome retrofitting and Elon's ego to add that. I'm not sure which is easiesr
Reupload?
Yes
V12.3?
nope
it's definitely harder to see using dark mode in the daytime
Interesting comment at the 2:45 mark saying he is super skeptical about "true" FSD (level 5) becoming a reality. Here is my question: If you feel that way (and I can truly understand the sentiment) then why continue to pay for and test these FSD beta releases? Put another way: If FSD only ever reaches level 2 but does a great job of it and you still need to be nagged to pay attention then why would it ever be used outside of highway use which autopilot today does a pretty good job of doing.
haha love the assertiveness, ppl think they own the road.
Do people feel good about themselves when they say I am sceptical about something
Elon Elon Elon…after all that talk about V12 supposedly being the end of FSD beta.
Personally I think the car did a great job that woman was crossing not on a crossing , she should have let you go , as a pedestrian it would take no effort to stop.
In the uk she would not have got to cross.
Version 12 dot What??
This info should be in the title.
When FSD gets better than every human driver then it's safe to sleep while it's driving. If you dare to sleep when another human drives you then you should also dare to sleep when FSD drives by then'
If you say sleep during driving it shows that you have a clue about tesla software and cabin camera
Whoever selected Trader Joe locations should lose their job, never enough parking.
That parking lot is awful lol
I thought Europe has bad roads but those holes there. Huh
When FSD disengages, it needs to blink the whole screen red or make a louder noise or something so I can't ignore it. Some day it is going to drive right off the road because I keep some pressure on the steering wheel to prevent the nag, and I trust FSD is navigating for a reason, but when it is disengaged and I'm still slightly pulling the wheel and FSD is not in control anymore but I still think it is, until it is almost too late.