After an eternity in not getting the idea of decently scraping, I eventually did this by instinct last Sunday. I was finishing the outside of a carob bowl, that had whatever interlocking grain. I got tiny-mini shavings… the tiniest I have aver seen. That was a revelation!
I had read about negative rake scrapers and was considering grinding one of my scrapers to a negative rake. I happened to be watching a Cap'n Eddy video about that time and the Cap'n mentioned that if you lifted the handle of your scraper that was the same as a negative rake scraper. So I never made a negative rake scraper. I just used my regular scraper with the handle up when I wanted a good smooth cut.
Hi Kent, You're my "go-to" guy for turning advice. I was a bit gratified to have picked up these same three tips on my own using my bowl scraper. (I don't have a round-nosed scraper. Making due for now. Perhaps Christmas? Anyway, thank you for all you do.
as an ongoing flat woodworker, yes, pray for me (I am AC/DC), it is interesting that using a burnishing tool on a turning scraper follows the same concept and results as raising a burr on a flat scraper with a burnishing tool on standard woodworking.
Lois, thank you! I just try to remember back to when I was learning and what I was questioning then. That combined with viewer questions. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
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Thank you Kent. Interesting, raising the edge is a cabinet scraper regular technique. I have the scrapers and the edge raiser, so I am set to go. The other thing is removing the irregular ridges. I swivel the scraper to produce a more level and even sweep for the curve. Ah well practice makes perfect - eventually. Luckily I am not trying to make a living as a turner.
Kent, thank you for your suggestion on how to use a scraper without grinding a negative rake. I recently bought a 1-1/2 round nose scraper and almost ground a rake on it. Thanks to you I don't need to do that. Your method works very well.🙂
The main point of a negative rake scraper, IMHO, is better visibility and access/maneuverability in inside. By raising rest, you obscure more of the inside. Keeping rest lower makes movements easier, and I see more easily that I am doing. Since getting a Carter & sons - rake scraper, the flat one has not seen any use. Well, it's a better tool with M42 steel, so there's that as well. Thinking of it, I should just grind the old one down. and make something custom with - rake. cleaner cuts in general. With punky wood, sometimes the scraper will be saving the day, when cutting with gouges gets hang ups. I could use shear scraping with gouge, but it seems a bit of a waste of a good edge. Rather use a scraper then. Nice videos!
@@TurnAWoodBowl I was also thinking a bit more about tilting the scraper. The downside is the the tool is less steady than if the flat bar is in full contact with tool rest. Steady tool is important with punky wood (burls, inclusions, decay holes). You can get the same effect by scraping a bit higher than the typical midline. With a ~20 degree tilt angle ~ 1/4 of 90 degrees = 1/8 of 180 degrees, it would be about 1/8 of inner diameter higher at periphery, going down to zero at center. Maybe split the difference, so 1/16 higher, and compensate by raising/lowering tool handle a bit. That will change angle of scraper edge to wood a bit, but I think that is preferable to a wobbly tool. Just a different perspective. We all find our personal ways, some text book, some "wrong". As long as it works for each of us, all is good. Happy Turning!
I’m still finding getting a smooth surface with my gouges a challenge, so my scraper is essential to get a good finish. This was a very useful demonstration. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing. Yes, we've all been there. You will know you're getting better with the bowl gouge when you realize you haven't used your round nose scraper for some time. I still get mine out for various things at times. It's all good. Happy Turning!
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This is the one tool that gives me fits! I had a good catch again this morning with this big round nose scraper. I try to be gentle, but fail with this tool often. The only good thing is I do well with my bowl gouge.
I teach all my students who are new to turning, with a scraper, its a great introductory tool and quite a forgiving, if used well as demonstrated in your tutorial video. Thank you for sharing its a great resource for learning.
Great Instruction. A 1 inch scraper is on my list of tools to acquire, hope to find a blade only and turn my own handle. Big $ savings. The would be a good video, although it isn't bowl...
i didn't hear you say anything about the scraper being freshly sharpened, which is a must. Raising the handle turns the scraper into a negative rake, but it is so much easier to just turn the scraper into a negative rake by grinding a bevel on top. Negative rake scrapers don't want to cut, so they are much more user friendly than a flat topped scraper. You get a much better finish because they work like a knife buttering toast. If the knife is help perpendicular, it scrapes the toast, but if it is angled forward (negative rake) it pushes the butter into the toast and smooths it out. One last thing, some woods (hard) are much easier to scrape than soft woods which tend to tear out grain.
Excellent video. The best burnishing tool I have found is the shank of an old solid carbide router bit. Certainly hard enough. On forming the burr, check the videos on sharpening a card scraper.
You're welcome. No, don't throw them away. LOL Even though you really want to be cutting well with the bowl gouge, the round nose scrapers can really come in handy in many instances. All the best to you. Happy Turning!
Hello Kent very informative and well presented video, I gave it a try and lifted the tool post scraper works great no catches!!! All I have to do now is to control the angle of attack of the scraper in order to have an almost perfect surface All the best Yiannis( Athens Greece)
I am a complete novice wood turner having just bought an old set of tools and a new set of carbides. The old set of tools contained a round nosed scraper and I was wondering how this tool was used. You have filled in that blank for me, thank you. I do have a question I hope you can answer. Carbides are scrapers. Would you use these techniques for carbide tools for a better finish?
at 5:06 isn't that effectively turning into a negative rake? If often wondered if I should just regrind my round nose into a negative rake. Thank you Kent, I learn so much from your content. EDIT: haha I should have watched until the end before asking, but heyho
I like to use a "radiused" skew chisel sideways as a negative rake scraper. You get a nice clean finish and don't need to buy another tool. That said, it only stays sharp for about 10 seconds in scraping mode. But every scraper dulls quickly. Richard Raffan has been turning bowls for longer than I have been alive and uses a scraper regularly, so I don't think anyone needs to "master" a bowl gouge. Unless it makes you feel better, then by all means.
Kent! I Finally found your channel! I started woodturning this year and couldn't take personal training so I've been figuring it out as I go. After finding your channel, I'm going to stop, watch all your videos, then implement! You share such great knowledge so nicely presented 👍
I'm a bit the same , but started trying to turn 40 years ago, tried to learn from CZcams but the old internet downloaded 1 minute of video every hour, finally got higher speed a couple years back
Kent, I am getting better with my bowl gouges, thanks in part to your very informative videos, but still need a scraper for some fine tuning. I have several scrapers, including a 3/4" carbon steel round nose scraper that was one my grandmother used for wood carving a very long time ago. It is my favorite, and cuts amazingly well. The problem I have been having is that any of the scrapers, including my negative rake ones, create tear out where I had none before, which is aggravating. Your techniques make a lot of sense, and I will try them out on my next bowl! Thanks very much!
Well, shall we say that we are worlds apart on a number of things here. First on scrapers, on the outside of a bowl, you cut at or slightly below center. The reason for this is so that if you have a catch, the scraper falls out of the cut rather than digging deeper. On the inside of a bowl, you cut slightly above center, again for the same reason. Apparently we have different definitions of 'shear scraping'. Raising the handle does not make a 'shear' scrape. At best, you end up with some thing barely similar to a negative rake scraper. It still does not make a NRS because you get more of a trailing cut, similar to what happens if you are using a card scraper and tilt it too far forward when you push. You still have a scraping cut and it leaves a poor surface, which is visible with all the tear out you have left in your bowl. You do not get a 'shear' cut by raising the scraper to maybe 15 degrees off of the tool rest. To get a shear cut, you need to have the cutting edge at 45 or more degrees to the rotation of the bowl. I frequently use a round nose scraper or more often one with a ) shaped nose. I can get it up to 60 or more degrees off of the tool rest, and that makes for a shear angle. The resulting shavings are long, and have a very long spiral to them, not flat shavings. In order to do this cut safely, you have to be cutting above center line of the bowl, and the scraper has to be up on edge, and you need to drop your handle. The reason for dropping the handle is so that you can not cut above the center line of your tool. That is the same as what you need to do when using a skew chisel because if you use the part above the center line of your tool, you get nasty catches. Never had much luck burnishing a burr with the standard burnishing tools on M2 or V10 or M42 HSS. Carbide, 1/8 inch to 1/4 inch diameter works far better, and last far longer than the grinder burr. It can be burnished down then back up a couple of times before you need to go back to the grinder. Some times, just using a credit card type coarse diamond honing card on the bevel, after honing down the top side, will make a very sharp burr.
Kent. I appreciate your thorough reaching style. I have learned a great deal from your videos. Question on bowl scrapers: would you ever just flip the scraper over so the bevel is facing up? Could you raise the handle to ride the bevel then lower the handle and start to scrape? Chas
Thank you, Chas. Good questions. There is a burr on one side of the scraper. Flipping if over to the other side will not work as well since the burr will be facing away from the cut. Raising the handle changes the angle of impact to the wood. When that angle is around 90° there is the most potential for wood tear-out and a rough surface. With the handle up, that angle is downward and less severe. We are never rubbing the bevel with the round nose scraper. We want to rub the bevel of a bowl gouge, but scrape with the edge of the scrapers. Hope that helps. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
Dear Kent, Nice to see each video and yours class. I have a question: when you lower the tip of the round nose scraper, is that the same thing as using a round scraper, with negative edging? I would like to thank you for the teachings and tips of this art. Big hug from Brasil Said Choucair
That is correct, the lowered angle allows the wood (and any catches) to more gentle glide past and not catch as easily as a 90° impact. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
I really enjoy your channel and website. I’m just getting back into turning at 60 and have a lot to learn. You’re teaching ability through this media is superb! Thank you.
another very informative video, clear, lucid, very good timing, and you have a great feeling of telling about the nuances that are most important to beginners. BTW, what did you make the veil behind you?
Glad it was helpful! Thank you. That's a roll of replacement window screen hung with bungie cords. It knocks down the shavings and dust. Makes cleaning up a breeze. ;) Happy Turning!
Thanks for the lesson on round nose scrapers. There are a couple of questions and observations. (A) how do you address scraping an uneven bowl edge, live edge. In other words what are the techniques when exiting a bowl as mentioned and (B) how do you maintain the angles, lower point and raised edge? (C) Noticed you didn't always maintain the raised right edge as you as you were coming out of the bowl. Was there a particular reason or was there more need to stabilized the scraper as you exited? This video came at the right time with a small bowl I'm struggling with. Stay safe and healthy.
Thanks for the questions. A) I would not use a scraper to turn an uneven rimmed bowl, only bowl gouges, B) The edge is sharpened at the sharpening station. I can all the tools in my Tool Sharpening eCourse, check it out turnawoodbowl.com/tool-sharpening-ecourse-for-wood-bowl-turning/ C) Good question, I guess there are times when I keep the tool flat for a little more precious. Thanks for asking and Happy Turning!
@@brianbest3777 ok, then it's almost the same as a round nose scraper but perhaps with a steeper angle. Yes, that can do the same thing as a round nose scraper.
I don’t have the personal experience yet, but I’ve seen a bunch of people get weird chipping with a bowl gouge when turning resin and get better cuts using a round scraper. It’s all about using the appropriate tool for the job at hand
Those are good tips, Kent. My success using round nose scrapers have been mixed so I purchased a double-ended negative rake scraper last year. It is much easier to use but if I had known about these techniques, I might not have needed it. How much pressure do you apply when forming the burr on the scraper edge? I may regrind my conventional scrapers into negative rake ones. It's an easy process with CBN wheels. Do you need to remove the burr on a negative rake scraper before sharpening to make a new one? If so, that's a step I've omitted. Thanks!
It takes a fair amount of pressure. You also want to pull across that face as few times as possible, because you can start curling and forming the burr in an uneven manner. If you can pull 2 or 3 times and feel a slight edge, that's enough. After you smooth the surface run your finger over the smooth edge to have a comparison. Yes, it does help to remove the burr before sharpening and then add a clean fresh burr from the sharpening process. Think of the burr almost like a piece of aluminum foil on edge. Between the turning, sharpening, and pulling the burr it will get beat up pretty good. So, clean everything off first with the honing card, then sharpen the edge at the grinder, if needed. The sharpening process will restore a relatively straight burr, then use the burnishing tool to pull and curl that burr upward. If the tool is sharp, you can skip the sharpening station, like I did in the video, and clear the burr off and then pull the edge up. Ok, that was a bit long winded. LOL Happy Turning!
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@@TurnAWoodBowl awesome. thanks for the follow-up. Picked up my upgrade this weekend,. Went from a Rikon 70-100 to a jet 1640 evs. Did a lot with that Rikon. The Jet will be a treat. Love the videos.
Ha. Good question John! First I put the ones I love all around the house and enjoy them, especially in the kitchen. And I sell some on Etsy. ;) Happy Turning!
Thanks Kent. As a pretty new wood turner, your teachings are great and have been helpful. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I have a question around tool steel though. Which tool steel(s) do you recommend. When looking at tools, most are M2, yet the different makers don’t seem to hold the same edge. I’ve also seen tools made from M42, however, I don’t own any of these so don’t know if I should invest in one to try it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
To be honest,, get what you can afford. Start with a simple affordable tool first because you might make mistakes when shaping and sharpening initially. Later try a different steel. The differences are not that huge.
Another approach is to pick a reputable tool maker and buy a decent tool. If you find that you are happy with it, go get another good tool as you can afford it. That way you have some hope to get quality consistency from tool to tool. In the end, you will likely do 90% of your work with your favorite gouge. Mine is a 5/8" Carter and Sons 40/40 grind.
Remember a scraper scraps. Whenever you can make a true slicing cut, you will end up with a better finish. Of course, a scraper can be used and great good results as well, but it must be used sparingly and lightly. Happy Turning!
Thnx again, as always 😉. But ... isn't the effect of #1+2 the same as raise the toolrest and keep the scraper level (as you do around 12:10)? The curve of the bowl ensures more negative angle and a less than 90 degrees angle between cutting edge and the direction of the spinning wood at that point. It keeps the tool flat on the rest. Do I miss something here?
@@TurnAWoodBowl Sorry, but ergonomically speaking, it makes more sense to me to have that negative rake tool flat on a solid tool rest than to have a regular scraper tilted on a point that has no stability. Is there something I am missing in this?
After an eternity in not getting the idea of decently scraping, I eventually did this by instinct last Sunday.
I was finishing the outside of a carob bowl, that had whatever interlocking grain.
I got tiny-mini shavings… the tiniest I have aver seen.
That was a revelation!
Great video, Kent!
I appreciate that, thank you! Happy Turning!
Thanks for all the info. I am a novice at turning. How you explain techniques, is extreamly helpful.
You are so welcome! I'm doing my best to demystify the bowl making process. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
I had read about negative rake scrapers and was considering grinding one of my scrapers to a negative rake. I happened to be watching a Cap'n Eddy video about that time and the Cap'n mentioned that if you lifted the handle of your scraper that was the same as a negative rake scraper. So I never made a negative rake scraper. I just used my regular scraper with the handle up when I wanted a good smooth cut.
Hi Kent, You're my "go-to" guy for turning advice. I was a bit gratified to have picked up these same three tips on my own using my bowl scraper. (I don't have a round-nosed scraper. Making due for now. Perhaps Christmas? Anyway, thank you for all you do.
Right on glad to hear. Thanks for sharing and Happy Turning!
as an ongoing flat woodworker, yes, pray for me (I am AC/DC), it is interesting that using a burnishing tool on a turning scraper follows the same concept and results as raising a burr on a flat scraper with a burnishing tool on standard woodworking.
You're right, pretty cool. Did you see that pile of fluffy shavings the burr made? ;) Happy Turning!
Nice hacks Kent! Enjoyed your video!!
Glad you enjoyed, Thanks and Happy Turning!
Well I learned a lot about b u r r s it kept saying birds thank you very much.
Thanks Charles. Yeah, auto-spell apparently doesn't know many turning terms. ;) Happy Turning!
I’ve been turning for over 20 years and I still learn something when watching your videos. Thanks for presenting this info to beginners.
negative rake scrapers allow you to use both sides of the tool, getting more versatility if you grind it asymmetricaly
Having good lighting to see how the tip is working is a must. Eye protection is a must
Yes
Another super-helpful handful of tips 😊👌 .... thank you.
Glad you like this one Paul. Thanks and Happy Turning!
As usual, I learned something of worth.
Great! Happy Turning!
Thanks Kent. 👍🍻
You bet! Happy Turning!
You seem to have a gift for anticipating questions. Great follow up explanations. 😊
Love your web site.
Lois, thank you! I just try to remember back to when I was learning and what I was questioning then. That combined with viewer questions. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
I was really curious what the bevel was on your bowl gouge, but just over 2 minutes in I got my answer! Thank you! 😂
Thanks Kent great video
Thanks for watching Happy Turning!
Great explanation about round nose scrapers!
Thank you, glad you liked it. Happy Turning!
You are an excellent instructor.
Thank you, Brady! All the best to you and Happy Turning!
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Thank you!!
You're welcome, Richard!
Thanks for all the Tips n Tricks. Good info on how to present the tool to the wood surface. Especially where/how the bevel should be. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful! Happy Turning!
Thank you Kent. Interesting, raising the edge is a cabinet scraper regular technique. I have the scrapers and the edge raiser, so I am set to go.
The other thing is removing the irregular ridges. I swivel the scraper to produce a more level and even sweep for the curve.
Ah well practice makes perfect - eventually. Luckily I am not trying to make a living as a turner.
Thanks for sharing. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
Perfect
Thanks!
Excellent video, Kent. You gave me more good pointers on using tools in ways I had not thought about before.
Excellent. Thank you, I'm glad to help. Happy Turning!
Kent, I just found your channel. I subscribed. Long time woodworker, new to turning. Enjoyed your teaching style and delivery. Keep up the good work.
Thanks and welcome. Happy Turning!
Kent, thank you for your suggestion on how to use a scraper without grinding a negative rake. I recently bought a 1-1/2 round nose scraper and almost ground a rake on it. Thanks to you I don't need to do that. Your method works very well.🙂
That's great, Thank you for writing and sharing! All the best to you and Happy Turning! Kent
Thank you again Kent. Appreciate.
Very welcome. Happy Turning!
Another excellent class Sir ! Thanks David
Thanks again!
Great lesson thanks.
Glad you liked it! Happy Turning!
Very helpfull again, thanks from Holland!
Happy to help! Happy Turning!
The main point of a negative rake scraper, IMHO, is better visibility and access/maneuverability in inside. By raising rest, you obscure more of the inside. Keeping rest lower makes movements easier, and I see more easily that I am doing. Since getting a Carter & sons - rake scraper, the flat one has not seen any use. Well, it's a better tool with M42 steel, so there's that as well. Thinking of it, I should just grind the old one down. and make something custom with - rake.
cleaner cuts in general. With punky wood, sometimes the scraper will be saving the day, when cutting with gouges gets hang ups. I could use shear scraping with gouge, but it seems a bit of a waste of a good edge. Rather use a scraper then.
Nice videos!
Thanks for sharing. That's a good point about better visibility. Happy Turning!
@@TurnAWoodBowl I was also thinking a bit more about tilting the scraper. The downside is the the tool is less steady than if the flat bar is in full contact with tool rest. Steady tool is important with punky wood (burls, inclusions, decay holes). You can get the same effect by scraping a bit higher than the typical midline. With a ~20 degree tilt angle ~ 1/4 of 90 degrees = 1/8 of 180 degrees, it would be about 1/8 of inner diameter higher at periphery, going down to zero at center. Maybe split the difference, so 1/16 higher, and compensate by raising/lowering tool handle a bit. That will change angle of scraper edge to wood a bit, but I think that is preferable to a wobbly tool.
Just a different perspective. We all find our personal ways, some text book, some "wrong". As long as it works for each of us, all is good. Happy Turning!
I’m still finding getting a smooth surface with my gouges a challenge, so my scraper is essential to get a good finish. This was a very useful demonstration. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing. Yes, we've all been there. You will know you're getting better with the bowl gouge when you realize you haven't used your round nose scraper for some time. I still get mine out for various things at times. It's all good. Happy Turning!
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Great tips and even better explanation!
Thanks so much! Happy Turning!
This is the one tool that gives me fits! I had a good catch again this morning with this big round nose scraper. I try to be gentle, but fail with this tool often. The only good thing is I do well with my bowl gouge.
Your bowl gouge can do it all it you like. Happy Turning!
I teach all my students who are new to turning, with a scraper, its a great introductory tool and quite a forgiving, if used well as demonstrated in your tutorial video. Thank you for sharing its a great resource for learning.
Your videos are the most concise, to the point and well articulated of all the instructions on the net. Thank you!
Thanks a ton Gar!!! All the best to you and Happy Turning!
This was tremendously helpful Kent. I was scraping the inside of an oak bowl tonight and was struggling with catches.
So glad to help David. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
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Great Instruction. A 1 inch scraper is on my list of tools to acquire, hope to find a blade only and turn my own handle. Big $ savings. The would be a good video, although it isn't bowl...
Sounds like a plan! Happy Turning!
i didn't hear you say anything about the scraper being freshly sharpened, which is a must.
Raising the handle turns the scraper into a negative rake, but it is so much easier to just turn the scraper into a negative rake by grinding a bevel on top. Negative rake scrapers don't want to cut, so they are much more user friendly than a flat topped scraper. You get a much better finish because they work like a knife buttering toast. If the knife is help perpendicular, it scrapes the toast, but if it is angled forward (negative rake) it pushes the butter into the toast and smooths it out.
One last thing, some woods (hard) are much easier to scrape than soft woods which tend to tear out grain.
Thanks for sharing. Great tips! Happy Turning!
Another nice video, Kent! Question: Can you use these same tips with a left-side curved scraper? Or is this specific to the round-nose scraper?
Good question. If the edge is scraping in the same location, yes you can use these tips. Happy Turning!
Excellent video. The best burnishing tool I have found is the shank of an old solid carbide router bit. Certainly hard enough. On forming the burr, check the videos on sharpening a card scraper.
Thank you and thanks for sharing that tip. Great idea! Happy Turning!
thanks for the tips Kent, I was just about to throw out my round nose scraper as I never get much done with it.
You're welcome. No, don't throw them away. LOL Even though you really want to be cutting well with the bowl gouge, the round nose scrapers can really come in handy in many instances. All the best to you. Happy Turning!
Hello Kent very informative and well presented video, I gave it a try and lifted the tool post scraper works great no catches!!! All I have to do now is to control the angle of attack of the scraper in order to have an almost perfect surface
All the best
Yiannis( Athens Greece)
Fantastic, Yiannis! Yes, the scraper can be very useful and precise with a little practice. All the best to you in Greece and Happy Turning!
Fantastic video. Excellent information and demonstrated nice and clearly. Thankyou
Thank you, Deno! Happy Turning!
Nice tips. I do these same techniques with my round carbide when i pull it out.
Right on! Happy Turning!
Love watching you, you explain techniques very simply so everyone can make sense of what you are teaching us. Thank you.
Thank you so much! Happy Turning!
thank you very much for your well explained videos
I use this😮 tool and totally agree. Dump the complicated bowl gouge.
I love watching your videos. thank you. What angle do you sharpen your round nose scraper to?
Not sure, offhand. I adjust the sharpening platform to match the existing angles and clean up the bevel.
I don't even have a lathe yet and these still feel really informative. planning on getting one soon though as I've been dying to add one to my shop.
Getting excited just about the idea of turning bowls is the first step. Welcome!
Many thanks Kent. Amazing.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you, and Happy Turning!
Excellent video, as usual. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks and Happy Turning!
Thanks for the time and effort Kent 👍
You are very welcome Happy Turning!
Great information, thanks so much
You bet! Happy Turning!
Thanks for sharing,, very informative,,best yet
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Great tips, superb teacher, thanks...
You're very welcome! Thank you and Happy Turning!
Seeing your launch...I feel much better now.
launch?
@@TurnAWoodBowl oops...meant for Doug at Pohl barn.
I am a complete novice wood turner having just bought an old set of tools and a new set of carbides. The old set of tools contained a round nosed scraper and I was wondering how this tool was used. You have filled in that blank for me, thank you.
I do have a question I hope you can answer.
Carbides are scrapers. Would you use these techniques for carbide tools for a better finish?
Good question. Check out this video czcams.com/video/Jp0HUaXxAH8/video.html Happy Turning!
at 5:06 isn't that effectively turning into a negative rake? If often wondered if I should just regrind my round nose into a negative rake. Thank you Kent, I learn so much from your content. EDIT: haha I should have watched until the end before asking, but heyho
LOL. OK, you almost made me go re-watch this. I thought, "didn't I talk about that?" Glad to help! Happy Turning!
I like to use a "radiused" skew chisel sideways as a negative rake scraper. You get a nice clean finish and don't need to buy another tool. That said, it only stays sharp for about 10 seconds in scraping mode. But every scraper dulls quickly. Richard Raffan has been turning bowls for longer than I have been alive and uses a scraper regularly, so I don't think anyone needs to "master" a bowl gouge. Unless it makes you feel better, then by all means.
Спасибо за информацию, было полезно и интересно 👍
Kent! I Finally found your channel! I started woodturning this year and couldn't take personal training so I've been figuring it out as I go.
After finding your channel, I'm going to stop, watch all your videos, then implement! You share such great knowledge so nicely presented 👍
I'm a bit the same , but started trying to turn 40 years ago, tried to learn from CZcams but the old internet downloaded 1 minute of video every hour, finally got higher speed a couple years back
Thank you I'm honored! Welcome and Happy Turning!
👍👍👍 thanks
Thank you too
Hello Kent,
Is a round nose scraper better than a left side scraper? Do you happen to have a video comparing the two of them? Thanks!
Tim, they are very similar. The left-sided is more designed for box work, but it will do basically what the round nose does. Happy Turning!
Understanding understanding understanding another great video
What size(s) of round nose scrapers do you suggest. It looks like the one in this video is large for the bowl you are turning.
1" to 1-1/2" work well. The weight of these larger scraper is ideal. Happy Turning!
Kent, I am getting better with my bowl gouges, thanks in part to your very informative videos, but still need a scraper for some fine tuning. I have several scrapers, including a 3/4" carbon steel round nose scraper that was one my grandmother used for wood carving a very long time ago. It is my favorite, and cuts amazingly well. The problem I have been having is that any of the scrapers, including my negative rake ones, create tear out where I had none before, which is aggravating. Your techniques make a lot of sense, and I will try them out on my next bowl! Thanks very much!
These hacks should help take care of that issue. All the best to you. Happy Turning!
Thank you! I am new to this world. which angle do you have on your nose scraper?
Good Question. It's about a 20° angle. Happy Turning!
Well, shall we say that we are worlds apart on a number of things here. First on scrapers, on the outside of a bowl, you cut at or slightly below center. The reason for this is so that if you have a catch, the scraper falls out of the cut rather than digging deeper. On the inside of a bowl, you cut slightly above center, again for the same reason.
Apparently we have different definitions of 'shear scraping'. Raising the handle does not make a 'shear' scrape. At best, you end up with some thing barely similar to a negative rake scraper. It still does not make a NRS because you get more of a trailing cut, similar to what happens if you are using a card scraper and tilt it too far forward when you push. You still have a scraping cut and it leaves a poor surface, which is visible with all the tear out you have left in your bowl. You do not get a 'shear' cut by raising the scraper to maybe 15 degrees off of the tool rest. To get a shear cut, you need to have the cutting edge at 45 or more degrees to the rotation of the bowl. I frequently use a round nose scraper or more often one with a ) shaped nose. I can get it up to 60 or more degrees off of the tool rest, and that makes for a shear angle. The resulting shavings are long, and have a very long spiral to them, not flat shavings. In order to do this cut safely, you have to be cutting above center line of the bowl, and the scraper has to be up on edge, and you need to drop your handle. The reason for dropping the handle is so that you can not cut above the center line of your tool. That is the same as what you need to do when using a skew chisel because if you use the part above the center line of your tool, you get nasty catches.
Never had much luck burnishing a burr with the standard burnishing tools on M2 or V10 or M42 HSS. Carbide, 1/8 inch to 1/4 inch diameter works far better, and last far longer than the grinder burr. It can be burnished down then back up a couple of times before you need to go back to the grinder. Some times, just using a credit card type coarse diamond honing card on the bevel, after honing down the top side, will make a very sharp burr.
Thanks for sharing your input. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
Kent. I appreciate your thorough reaching style. I have learned a great deal from your videos.
Question on bowl scrapers: would you ever just flip the scraper over so the bevel is facing up? Could you raise the handle to ride the bevel then lower the handle and start to scrape? Chas
Thank you, Chas. Good questions. There is a burr on one side of the scraper. Flipping if over to the other side will not work as well since the burr will be facing away from the cut. Raising the handle changes the angle of impact to the wood. When that angle is around 90° there is the most potential for wood tear-out and a rough surface. With the handle up, that angle is downward and less severe. We are never rubbing the bevel with the round nose scraper. We want to rub the bevel of a bowl gouge, but scrape with the edge of the scrapers. Hope that helps. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
Dear Kent, Nice to see each video and yours class.
I have a question: when you lower the tip of the round nose scraper, is that the same thing as using a round scraper, with negative edging? I would like to thank you for the teachings and tips of this art. Big hug from Brasil Said Choucair
That is correct, the lowered angle allows the wood (and any catches) to more gentle glide past and not catch as easily as a 90° impact. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
@@TurnAWoodBowl Thank you very much. Big hug and success... You are a gentliman
I really enjoy your channel and website. I’m just getting back into turning at 60 and have a lot to learn. You’re teaching ability through this media is superb! Thank you.
Awesome, thank you so much! Happy Turning!
Thank you for the demonstration.
Glad it was helpful!
These are techniques I will be trying.
another very informative video, clear, lucid, very good timing, and you have a great feeling of telling about the nuances that are most important to beginners. BTW, what did you make the veil behind you?
Glad it was helpful! Thank you. That's a roll of replacement window screen hung with bungie cords. It knocks down the shavings and dust. Makes cleaning up a breeze. ;) Happy Turning!
Great video, thanks!
Hi thanks for the info I was thinking about getting a negative rake scraper now I don't think I need to, thanks be safe
Glad to help. Take care and Happy Turning!
This seems to be what a negative rake scraper does (reduces the angle) to help avoid tearout.
Yes. Happy Turning!
What angle do you sharpen the bottom of the scraper?
Thanks for the lesson on round nose scrapers. There are a couple of questions and observations. (A) how do you address scraping an uneven bowl edge, live edge. In other words what are the techniques when exiting a bowl as mentioned and (B) how do you maintain the angles, lower point and raised edge? (C) Noticed you didn't always maintain the raised right edge as you as you were coming out of the bowl. Was there a particular reason or was there more need to stabilized the scraper as you exited? This video came at the right time with a small bowl I'm struggling with.
Stay safe and healthy.
Thanks for the questions. A) I would not use a scraper to turn an uneven rimmed bowl, only bowl gouges, B) The edge is sharpened at the sharpening station. I can all the tools in my Tool Sharpening eCourse, check it out turnawoodbowl.com/tool-sharpening-ecourse-for-wood-bowl-turning/ C) Good question, I guess there are times when I keep the tool flat for a little more precious. Thanks for asking and Happy Turning!
First rate instruction. Thanks. I sometimes use my skew in a scraping fashion = negative rake
Thank you. Yes that can work, just watch those corners. Happy Turning!
@@TurnAWoodBowl absolutely , though it has curved grind so corners are pulled back 👌😺
@@brianbest3777 ok, then it's almost the same as a round nose scraper but perhaps with a steeper angle. Yes, that can do the same thing as a round nose scraper.
I don’t have the personal experience yet, but I’ve seen a bunch of people get weird chipping with a bowl gouge when turning resin and get better cuts using a round scraper. It’s all about using the appropriate tool for the job at hand
That's true. Also using a bowl gouge incorrectly will cause issues no matter what material used.
Those are good tips, Kent. My success using round nose scrapers have been mixed so I purchased a double-ended negative rake scraper last year. It is much easier to use but if I had known about these techniques, I might not have needed it. How much pressure do you apply when forming the burr on the scraper edge? I may regrind my conventional scrapers into negative rake ones. It's an easy process with CBN wheels. Do you need to remove the burr on a negative rake scraper before sharpening to make a new one? If so, that's a step I've omitted. Thanks!
It takes a fair amount of pressure. You also want to pull across that face as few times as possible, because you can start curling and forming the burr in an uneven manner. If you can pull 2 or 3 times and feel a slight edge, that's enough. After you smooth the surface run your finger over the smooth edge to have a comparison. Yes, it does help to remove the burr before sharpening and then add a clean fresh burr from the sharpening process. Think of the burr almost like a piece of aluminum foil on edge. Between the turning, sharpening, and pulling the burr it will get beat up pretty good. So, clean everything off first with the honing card, then sharpen the edge at the grinder, if needed. The sharpening process will restore a relatively straight burr, then use the burnishing tool to pull and curl that burr upward. If the tool is sharp, you can skip the sharpening station, like I did in the video, and clear the burr off and then pull the edge up. Ok, that was a bit long winded. LOL Happy Turning!
Just discovered your channel and subscribed immediately. Been learning a ton. Random question. I have been looking for a woodshop coverall like the one you are wearing, but cant find it online. Can you let me know the manufacturer?
Thanks and welcome. Yes, check this out amzn.to/3rwsza2 Happy Turning!
@@TurnAWoodBowl awesome. thanks for the follow-up. Picked up my upgrade this weekend,. Went from a Rikon 70-100 to a jet 1640 evs. Did a lot with that Rikon. The Jet will be a treat. Love the videos.
What do you do with all of your bowls Kent? Best regards. 🙃
Ha. Good question John! First I put the ones I love all around the house and enjoy them, especially in the kitchen. And I sell some on Etsy. ;) Happy Turning!
Thanks Kent. As a pretty new wood turner, your teachings are great and have been helpful. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I have a question around tool steel though. Which tool steel(s) do you recommend. When looking at tools, most are M2, yet the different makers don’t seem to hold the same edge. I’ve also seen tools made from M42, however, I don’t own any of these so don’t know if I should invest in one to try it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
To be honest,, get what you can afford. Start with a simple affordable tool first because you might make mistakes when shaping and sharpening initially. Later try a different steel. The differences are not that huge.
Another approach is to pick a reputable tool maker and buy a decent tool. If you find that you are happy with it, go get another good tool as you can afford it. That way you have some hope to get quality consistency from tool to tool. In the end, you will likely do 90% of your work with your favorite gouge. Mine is a 5/8" Carter and Sons 40/40 grind.
Is this a negative rake when held the way you are?
Technically, yes, because of the downward sloped leading edge. Happy Turning!
I want to start building a set of turning tools can you recommend a brand?
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Great info, thanks for posting. Would to have some feedback good or bad on my videos. I'm subscribing to learn more.
Thanks Kent, great topic! Are you happy with Hurricane brand chisels? I have them but would like to hear from a pro...
Yes they are fine.
I agree! They are a great value
Would something like a Sorby curved scraper (RS-828H) be better for the inside of the bowl?
Remember a scraper scraps. Whenever you can make a true slicing cut, you will end up with a better finish. Of course, a scraper can be used and great good results as well, but it must be used sparingly and lightly. Happy Turning!
Thnx again, as always 😉.
But ... isn't the effect of #1+2 the same as raise the toolrest and keep the scraper level (as you do around 12:10)? The curve of the bowl ensures more negative angle and a less than 90 degrees angle between cutting edge and the direction of the spinning wood at that point. It keeps the tool flat on the rest. Do I miss something here?
Good question. 1 and 2 combine to reduce the overall impact and make the "scrape" a light "shave."
Brian S. Ashmore IL. Wood bowl
Thanks for entering! Happy Turning!
I actually tried to ride the bevel of a round nosed scraper once.
It snapped and flew past my head at considerable speed. Pretty damn scary!
Yikes! Wow, glad you're ok. Yes, no bevel riding with scrapers. Take care and Happy Turning!
What is the tool used to make the burr?
A burnishing tool or a hardened steel tool. See the description for details.
What angles do you grind the scrapers?
Around 20°. Check out my sharpening course www.TurnAWoodBowl.com/sharp All the best to you and Happy Turning! Kent
What does your lifting of the scraper accomplish that a negative rake scraper can't do?
Reduces angle of impact and makes lighter scrapes
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Sorry, but ergonomically speaking, it makes more sense to me to have that negative rake tool flat on a solid tool rest than to have a regular scraper tilted on a point that has no stability. Is there something I am missing in this?
😊 I bet it’s hard to turned badly when your good 😂😂😂