Bomb Threat from Passenger
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- čas přidán 3. 12. 2022
- Passenger sends message "I am Going to Bomb This Plane" and pilot's immediately have to make some decisions on what to do.
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A moment of stupidity results in a lifetime of consequences.
Did they find the guy who sent that message?
It should result in consequences but, since nothing really awful happened, not the sort that petty vengeful primitives would advocate.
@@Sonny_McMacsson They can pay for damages: fuel, mechanics, cost of rescheduling the flight, missed connections, and so on. It doesn't get any fairer than that.
One guy who tried false bomb threat got sentenced. He faced not only financial penalty, temporary jail but after being released on bail also a trial.
@@kaasmeester5903 Exactly what I was going to say. "Yeah, not really a funny joke mate, here is your $125,000 bill for it"
I worked at an airport away from my home airport doing main airport security a few months back, and I got incredibly frustrated with the fact that the Supervisor didn't seem to care or understand that we were trying to discreetly communicate with them that one of the X-ray screeners had discovered what they thought to be an IED in a passenger's bag (spoiler, it was a false alarm), and we were desperately trying to convey the severity of the situation, without yelling "we might have found an IED" in front of several hundred passengers. No wonder they failed the audits that caused us to be sent there.
well ya didnt really conclude your story lol. what did the supervisor do? did he just yell out to everyone in the airport WE FOUND A FUCKIN BOMB! or what lol.
@@trope5105 lol, the conclusion isn't that important because OP has conveyed the point of the story lol, but I guess you're curious lol
@@trope5105 Cant wait to see how long the person gets in jail better get sectioned!
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 maybe its late, but i cant quite comprehend that sentence
@@trope5105 Jail tmmr could be a very long time, mental evaluation he could be cured and out a lot sooner.
Even though the pilot's speech on the radio sped up when things were getting busy, he maintained calm and focused on what needed to be done so the pilot who was flying could get back on the ground safely. Good crew management right there! Have a great week everyone!
I think Kelsy was the one getting stressed and talking faster....
@@dotcom2528 Kelsy doesn't get stressed he's cool as a cucumber.
Question, I am not a pilot, but why after 9/11 don't we have a code or daily code as far as commercial aircraft are concerned. A challenge code the ATC controller can use to verify it's the Captain or crew speaking. At least on flights with more than 100 people or some other cutoff. So in this scenario the ATC could ask for the code after asking if the flight deck is secured. That way the actual Captain...(whose hopefully still flying plane) can read back the code. Could be a 6 digit combo such as A923W9. These verification of authenticity codes are already widely used in intelligence and law enforcement. Seems like it would be easy to add it to the flight-plan?
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@@patricksmith2553 it would need to be a pair of codes, one for "I've been taken over" and one for "I'm still in control".
Years ago, I was on a plane from Istanbul to Sarajevo. There was supposed to be a boyfriend/girlfriend couple on that same flight, but at the last minute she decided not to go and the guy decided he would go alone. She reported a bomb on the flight. When we landed at Sarajevo, they didn't tell us what was going on, but even in my sleep-deprived state, I thought the long taxi at a small airport was weird. We parked away from the building and they bussed us to the terminal. It took almost three hours for us to get our luggage, and then we still had to get in line to get all of our bags searched again and get patted down. At least they gave us water bottles while we waited. As it turned out, me kicking my super heavy bag all the way down the line was proof enough for them that it did not contain an explosive.
Why the heck would she do that? Was she trying to make him break up with her?
@@Listrynne Vindictive, not too bright, female probably thought that would in some manner make problems for him without realizing the blow back on her.
Hi, Thanks for the story. I'll keep it in mind should I ever be in a position to need it. Your story made me laugh and that is very precious this day and age. Yours, Ann
Their relationship really Balkanized. 😜
Sounds like standard safety protocol in Europe. So strange the US would decide differently. However, I do understand why they chose 25L over 7R, because it would allow them to let the airplane taxi further away from the buildings to be inspected. If they landed 7R, they would first have to taxi past the buildings in order to get to a safe remote area, not on the side of the residential areas.
I was in a similar situation as what you describe, @Stephanie Whelchel but years ago in 2003, and the airport was Paris CDG. All other passengers got their luggage back after 3 hours. Mine took another 2 hours... Turned out I was the reason for the safety protocol after some sloppy administration by inept airline staff in the US port of origin, which made my profile check a bunch of red flags to the point they decided to treat it like a threat level 3. Instead of just confronting me with the strange anomalies so I could tell them what had happened, they just made me sit in the hall for 5+ hours waiting for my bag. And they didn't give us anything at all, even though it was late July, the hottest time of the year in France. The airport laid all on the airline, and the airline refused to assist the passengers... Horrible service.
Delta and Air France (Star Alliance, I believe?), Avoid them at all cost! I'd rather fly South West Airlines now than ever taking another Delta or Air France flight...
I was sharing the back row of a jet with an unescorted kid on his first flight. He quietly asked the attendant after her speech - "Will we be getting parachutes?" She & maybe two other passengers heard ... She giggled & said we don't need parachutes ha ha. They all asked each other what he said then giggled ... then one row at a time it went forwards. But then after the giggle every person stopped, got a serious look as they obviously worked the idea. A wave of "what he say, haha, oh wait..." It was cool to watch, because of where I happened to be sitting. Next, the kid said he was going to the Amazon rain forest when he grew up. I said he better hurry. He said no, we know it's wrong, so we aren't cutting it down any more.
I hope he's out there somewhere right now, fixing something.
There is the old joke about a passenger, who as soon as he boarded his flight exclaimed;
"I hope the Plane don't crash!"
Immediately, there was an even louder response; "Amen Brother!"
It was the Pilot.....
Bonus mileage points, if you know the comedian who used to tell that joke.....
Sweet, innocent baby 🥰
It is a bit strange ATC allowed pilots to decide if they want to go straight to the gate. I would've imagined that they should direct aircraft somewhere remotely, let everyone out and then have aircraft checked instead of parking it at the terminal with possible bomb on board.
Yeah, I thought that too. I'd have thought law enforcement should be making that kind of decision.
Years ago (1981) I was flying London to Far East on vacation and on arrival at Rome, were told to leave the plane as there was a bomb on board. (YES, captain or flight officer said bomb!) Imagine the panic - people almost climbing over seat backs, etc.
We were taken to a lounge with armed police while plane was towed to remote part of airport and bags placed in rows on tarmac. After 5 hours (we were allowed refreshments for free) we were taken in groups of 15-20 to identify our luggage.
It does seem odd to bring plane near terminal buildings.
It's probably quicker to disembark everyone at the gate than down a slide, and get the appropriate security services on board. That's my guess anyway.
@@y_fam_goeglyd LAX has plenty of remote parking with jet bridge access. Even with no jet bridge, multiple air stairs would've rapidly evacuated the aircraft.
Ultimately it's up to the pilots, especially if there's someone making threats in their ear that they have to comply with. If the would-be bomber wants a gate, you give them a gate. After all, it could be the most distant gate at a remote concourse and the bomber probably won't be any the wiser.
This kind of education is valuable for us rear seat flyers that sometimes have anxiety to fly. The more we understand how many competent professionals support every flight in most situations, the better passengers we become.
You thought it was just a few randomers doing these jobs?
How can people not look at a scenario and think through what goes on to make it work?
Always surprises me.
Wow. And here I was thinking it was a compliment. Want to say without looking how many of us it takes to get the curtain up on a Broadway show without looking?
@@gracelandone it was a nice thing to say. Don’t let some “randomer“ on the internet take away from that
One good thing you can tell yourself is that, most pilots don't wanna die and since they are in charge of keeping the plane from crashing, then that should aliviate your worries - unless ofcourse, one of them feels like commiting group suicide that morning... not like that ever happend before *cough cough*
Agreed!
Something similar happened in May 2010 in Vancouver. A Cathay Pacific flight coming in from Hong Kong had a bomb threat on board. The aircraft was escorted by a pair of CF-18s until the aircraft was parked and the person who made the (false) threat was off the plane. This is not something to be taken lightly.
9.5 times out of 10 when someone screams bomb it's a false attack; if you have a bomb and want to blow a building/plane/whatever you'd go as quiet and inconspicuous as possible
Flight 8303 that took place on 3 July of 2022 had similar case.There was guy onboard who decided to make prank,but got legal consequences very quickly.
According to a Article by KOB:
- the plane did end up parked away from the airport. I guess someone realized moving it to the gate was stupid
- the FBI came on board looking for the guy by name. So I guess they figured out who sent it before they came down
I wonder if afterwards they deplaned remaining passengers onto the tarmac and bussed them to the terminal, or if they just pulled the plane up to a gate. It could be argued that there still could be a bomb onboard, although realistically it was an obvious hoax because no actual terrorist or hijacker is going to bring a bomb onboard and then send AirDrop messages to random passengers seated near them.
That was regarding a different incident that occurred in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I am yet to find any news articles about this incident.
Airdropping is completely anonymous and you can spoof the name that is displayed in the title header to whatever you want. They shouldn't have landed the plane since the guy was likely trolling due to being completely anonymous, and could have easily framed someone else.
@@halfwaysleet So they should have flown until they crashed?
You are talking BS.
@@sminem6572 It was apparently from comments from people who claimed to have been on this flight. One claimed that a family was removed from the plane. That would imply that it was a teenager that did it. One said an FBI agent came on board and started calling out someone's name. Implying that from the phone name on the AirDrop they were able to figure out which passenger it was. But that doesn't make sense because the flight attendants would have told him what seat they were in. Unless he was just calling out the phone name, as a way to convince them "We know who you are" and hoping they turn themselves in. Possibly the teenager became visibly nervous and when confronted confessed to it.
Of course the comments could have been BS, with any incident people come into the comments claiming that they were there.
I don’t know how you pilots do this, you not only have to be a fast thinker but you have to be a fast listener . Thank you Kelsey for breaking down this fast pilot lingo, you’re the best!
You can slow the video down if it is too fast :)
Thank you for these videos Kelsey. When I was between 8 and 10 years of age I flew a lot alone between my mom in Northern CA and my dad in Southern CA. In those days the captains would let me come into the cockpit and they would give me a special badge and the cabin door was open much of the time. This was in the 70's. You make me think of those days. Thank you.
Timmy?
Ever wonder......
I remember multiple times, as a kid in the 90’s, going into the cockpit of 747’s on long haul flights. Whilst I’m sure everyone agrees on why that is no longer possible, it’s still hard to miss the innocence of yesteryear that made those experiences possible.
Simpler times plus the food was actually good
I remember that too. Was probably '96 or later. Still a normal thing.
Although I just hold a private pilots license (partical color blindness held me back from becoming a comerical pilot). Your approach to explaining the flying industry is absolutely amazing. Your explanations are fantastic, clear and consistant. I learn each and every time I watch your videos. Please Please never stop making these videos as I truely believe you make the average public feel more safe in the air, along with showing people how professional pilots really are and that they are not just flying taxi cab drivers. Keep up the great work and wish you all the best in your career.
Great job with the incident. Hoped to learn about the resolution. If the responsible party was identified, they should be on a lifetime ban for flying. Inexcusable behavior.
I imagine they'll be banned from flying after they finish their prison sentence. Even if it was a prank, if they got caught, they are in major trouble.
*ANOTHER REASON i DROPS - iPhones NEED TO BE BLOWN UP ALL OF THEM* wake up America 👎 i phone and tik tok*
apparently it was a prank from a teenager. I am sure the FBI have taken an interest. But it looks like it only happened a few months ago and these things take time
Only thing I can find on it is a forum where people are saying it was a kid pulling a really bad prank so Im on the fence whether they should've given him jail time or just juvi, community service and permanent ban from AA flights
@@sean_mccadden all things considered, I believe this does rise to the level of criminal mischief: the lives of the other passengers were arguably endangered, and AA and LAX clearly suffered pecuniary damages. No tangible property appears to have been damaged, but sometimes a decision must be made about whether what matters is a perfect fit, or what is appropriate.
I had to listen to one part a couple of times... when Kelsey said he couldn't imagine a scenario in which passengers let someone force their way on the flight deck.. to be so brave as that... I felt very proud of those, unknown and hopefully never need to be known, brave people.
United 93 🇺🇲 never forget
@@negautrunks Brave and Known.. never forget.
Imagine someone tries to force their way into the the flight deck with US or Uk forces aboard. The intruder would lose his teeth if he was lucky.
The shoe bomber learned a hard lesson... as have many others since 9/11
This First Officer Kelsey needs to be training future pilots. He has that quality about him. He keeps it as informative as it is educational and entertaining.
There's a list of us who want him to be our flight instructor but Kelsey doesn't want to do it. 😄
He is so far beyond that though, Such a talent, it is not an easy thing to do to keep people entertained listening to friggin air traffic control tapes , I mean let's be real about it
I love how the pilot sounds snarky and irritated rather than worried.
They had to turn around and abort the flight despite knowing fully well that it was a prank. Chances of an actual bomb getting on a plane nowadays are infinitesimal, and chances for the terrorist being dumb enough to announce it without making any demands are even lower (over Airdrop no less, letting everyone know they‘re on the plane). So yeah, i‘d figure that the pilot would be pretty annoyed
There sometimes is a fine line between fear & anger.
It is easy to call that bluff. Ruined the pilot's day and everyone else's day too.
999/1000 bomb threats do not involve a real bomb.
@@hansblitz7770better safe than sorry
Just joined the Crew. Dreamed of being a pilot since childhood and model rockets. Closest I've gotten... Chuck Yeager Flight Simulator, on a 356Mhz IBM, failed attempt for the airforce (driving record), a flying lesson in a Piper Cub, and a nice collection of RC Helicopters.
I love your summaries, and humor, and LIFE! Awesome attitude, and 'soul', and keep sharing your expienrences.
I really need to use my Sim, again...😢
But it's wonderful besides, did the engineering/family thing instead.
So...I'm assuming that it was a false alarm. Did they catch the prankster?
When I worked for AA International Security, we were called to a gate to look into a h4ndgun being brought onboard. The story: A pax was adjusting his bag in overhead compartment when a fake, rubber handgun fell out. Another pax saw it, reported it to a stewardess and we were called. Turned out, the guy and his partner traveled around putting on shows at BDSM clubs and the fake p!stol was a prop for their show. LOLZZZ!!!
I'd probably be more traumatized if I saw some of their other "props" fall out of the overhead compartment. 🤣
How on earth wasn't this spotted In security and removed 🤣
@@bethanyc4305 Because it was made of rubber…..
@@FilosophicalPharmer but wouldn't the shape of it show up on the x Ray?
@@bethanyc4305 A shadowy outline would’ve appeared, blending in with other shadowy shapes around it. But the machine was also interested in something’s composition and material. The rubber wasn’t dense enough for the machine to highlight the object. Had it been an actual one, it would’ve stood out on the screen lots more. HTH. 👍🏼
I think you got that wrong, he said "American 297 descend via and after Clippy"
The pilot is required to check with and obey Microsoft Clippy instructions for descent.
It's just a side effect of the plane's computer running Windows 95 and the way emergency procedures are stored.
"It looks like you might have an explosive device on board. Would you like help?"
I'm now just imagining that damn paperclip tapping on the cockpit windscreen...
Great video and example of no one doing anything wrong other than the "threat". Wish we knew how that turned out.
These pilots remained calm and professional throughout the whole threat.
As a retired paramedic and rescue worker believe me our only goal is to get everyone off and away from the plane, pilot and crews included. We're a bit pumped up waiting for the plane to get safely on the ground and get everyone to another place so they can be safe.. we are running down plans before the landing and they are literally changing by the second so all that we ask for people to listen to what and where to go. Don't worry about your bags they are being left with firefighter and a ton of FBI agents. Your shit is safe and as soon as it's been proven to not be a bomb your stupid will soon be back in your care. Please don't argue with anyone about a damn stupid bag. Just go away from the plane as fast as your feet can scurry along
Wow, aren't you nice to the panicked people who don't know what the hell is going on? I'm glad you're retired.
@@phydeux there's a time for pleasantries, and there's a time for action. Ive been inches from what turned out to be a large car bømb (I live in London), and there's just no time for dithering when one doesn't know if and when the worst will happen. Even the responders are largely helpless and do what little they can (get people AWAY).
@@Naptosis - I completely understand, I've flown through Heathrow in the late 80s and remember the recordings that now play in US airports post-9/11. It's not lost on me how important such things are.
I'm just saying you can do such things in a polite manner, not calling people and their bags "stupid". Hell, the British are the absolute pros at being polite while telling you to move your ass. 😀
You mean with 9/11 being government ran.
@@phydeux We are generally polite, but don't forget we also created almost all the English swear words! If, in an emergency, someone tells you to stop being a cockwombling muppet, then they mean business! 😄
as someone who knows nothing about flights, thank you for teaching me. in 2 days ill be going on layover flights; and ive never been on a flight before. gives me peace of mind, if anything.
Threat level cheat sheet:
1. Karen
2. Karen throwing hands
3. OH SHI--
4. Squawk 7500
One thing I am surprised by is that the controllers were going to clear them directly to the gate if they wanted. That seems like a horrible idea. If you have a possible bomb on board you go to a secure pad, deplane the aircraft then bring in the appropriate teams to clear the aircraft to ensure no uncontrolled explosives are on board. Going to a gate only multiplies the impact if someone did intentionally explode a device onboard.
My guess is that the assumption is that any potential bomb would be rather small. You don't need a very large explosion to take down a pressurised aircraft flying at cruising altitude. It would take a lot less energy than an explosion large enough to destroy a plane *and* damage an airport. So if you're a terrorist who actually intends to blow up the plane, rather than just threatening, doing it after you're safely on the ground with emergency crews in the immediate vicinity isn't the smart move.
I mean, it’s not like they would have everyone crowding at the gate. They would evacuate everyone near it. Plus, highly unlikely it would be enough to significantly damage the plane AND the airport/gate given how much explosives it would take to sneak on board
I was also surprised by this. I would have expected the plane would be sent to a remote part of the airport until they verified there was no threat.
I really appreciate the detail and clarity of your explanations. Thank-you for taking the time to help those of us not 'in the know' to understand what is going on.
I find this to be one of your very best videos - kept my interest all the way through to the end!
I am totally with you, regarding returning over the water even if it contains tailwind and an overweight plane, because this could have gone terribly wrong. The runway seems to be long enough for such a type of landing.
Difficult to say for sure without seeing the METAR from that day. The onshore winds can be pretty significant at LAX, and the plane is already heavy with unused fuel (since it was scheduled to Hawaii). A landing on 7R could have increased the risk to the passengers and crew.
@@skyhawk_4526 I’m also guessing (I’m about as far from expert as it gets) that if a go around became necessary due to weight, runway 7 would have made that more difficult due to the mountains
Thank you for explaining the extra technical parts, that's what I'm here for
Thank you for uploading!
I have always wondered way ATC asks for fuel and souls on board, when they are only going to just pass the information along, when dispatch already has that information for the manifest.
Adrenaline is an interesting substance, not only do you speed everything but you also remember much more detail. Almost like instead of takin pictures once a second, you start taking hundreds or even thousands of pictures… memories, thoughts… some things seem to slow down… normal time perception is distorted
I recently flew from Cancun to DFW and was riding in business class. The captain went around and conversed with many of the 8-10 passengers in this area. He was one of the most genuine and polite human being I’ve ever met. He was a 30 year pilot with obvious intelligence about a lot of things. We spoke for about 15 min and at the end we became friends beyond just flying together. Pilots are under a lot of stress but this man seemed to not have a worry in this world. I admire his willingness to go around to thank us and to welcome us. God bless you Mr B.
As a 50+ Pilot, I very much respect the tower controllers and ARFF groups. Pilots have the final call as it should be. Great work 74 Gear!
Great video, Kelsey. I like that you used the LAX tower picture for your ATC reference.
Good Morning Kelsey! Thanks for thorough breakdown, great video.
The first thing that came to mind watching thin was my 'Run, Hide, Fight" training, and how I have no clue on how to apply it in that situation is so utterly disturbing.
Good listen Thx 74 gear be safe all !
The video editing has leveled up a bit lately. Very nice!
Hey, been watching your content a lot and you have really gotten me in to aviation, thank you!
I was just on an Atlas Air flight from Okinawa to Anchorage when we had an engine fire over the Pacific just East of mainland Japan. The pilots and aircrew were very professional and we diverted to Misawa AB on one engine. It was a bit tense on board from when the Purser and then Captain told us of the issue to when we landed. But here I am two weeks later.
Was Kelsay your First Officer?
@@skyhawk_4526 I wish!
So you're rich & /or an athlete or you're in the armed forces because otherwise there's no way you'd be flying that airline.
@@Anna_Xor Rich people dont fly Atlas... Yes I am military
@@brandon7219 Yes they do.
Thank you for breaking it all up and explaining everything as someone that loves avation and is new to it you are a major learning source and have taught me more then a lot of other videos again thank you
Dude, I really enjoy your channel. Especially your cover photos. Very animated!
I worked at LAX for twenty years and you would not believe what we found in peoples bags. We had one bag come down the conveyor belt with gas flowing out of it. Another bag had a Coleman stove in it with the gas flowing full blast. Next to it was the instrument that causes a spark to start the flames. We have found everything from human heads, feet and arms to dead babies.
Thanks for letting everybody know that you are at least full of some $hit... smh
What
Well it wasnt dead when it was stowed in the luggage! You guys need to pressurize the luggage comp and give it o2 so it doesnt do that.
@@neglectfulsausage7689 what
yeah, what
@@your_jacket4723
Another reason I respect all those in aviation
@74gear this is quite informative! Great video and very well detailed.
Very interesting, one of the best videos you posted.
Some time last year, I was flying the Boeing 747-400 in the simulator and landing in Boston. There was another guy behind me doing the same thing, so the controller had him follow the published speeds and told me speed my discretion. I was already going 349 knots in the descent, so I kept it there up until I was on a 27-mile final, at which point I started slowing down. I did manage to slow down in time to hit my final approach speed.
Thank you so much for sharing I have so much respect for all you Pilots I always feel safe when I fly
Love your channel, Kelsey.
Thank you for your guidance on this, it was very well done. I'm not going to be bashful, I got emotional hearing the cooperation between the tower and pilots.
@@MyFingersAreStinky gay says myfingersarestinky lol take them out of your pooper
@Two In The Pink One In The Stink Your username checks out. 😊
@Two In The Pink One In The Stink whats your problem
Thank you Kelsey for a great video
I loved his narrative. It gave me a sense on calm!
I like the new style
I am feeling like I need a part two of this! So was there a bomb? If there wasn’t a bomb, did they figure out who sent that text? Did that person go to jail? I have so many questions!
The amount of trouble and costs this small action caused is amazing. Airliner aborting flight turning around, overweight landing therefore checks, ARFF deployment, police investigation,...
@@fluffigverbimmelt great, right?
They should have a jail onboard, and a few guys that can handle the problem.
So the flight can continu, with the animal locked up behind bars by some guy.
3 guys on every flight should be enough, right?
With appropriate weapons to deal with every situation.
@@bertjesklotepinoyeah continue flight with bomb threat, gonna get real comfy once the timer of somone‘s actual bomb in their luggage reaches 0
Well, this is sadly where the SSI or Security Sensitive Information part comes into play. When Kelsey mentioned having to basically walk on eggshells when it comes to this topic, the details of these events are kept under wraps to prevent would be bombers from figuring out ways to accomplish their goals via knowing how we handle these situations. This is coming from the dispatch side of things, but pilots receive the same training
@@Random_Banshee imagine a guy building a bomb on a timer in his lugage.
How is he gonna time it? What if the flight is delayed?
What if the luggage is taken with another plane?
I Obviously was talking about someone who is talking about bombing the plane, inside the cabine.
The luggage should have been checked by the airport security, right?
Btw, who is to say that turning back would help? What if the bomb was on a trigger that is sensitive to changes in air pressure?
Anyways, there could be a reasonable way of handling a crazy person onboard a plane without it having to turn back immediately.
And i was just giving an example of one.
Great video, love the breakdown!
Another great video Kelsey!
I just discovered your channel and I love it! I love flying but I’m just a boring passenger. I love planes I think they’re great!
We are still looking forward for your take on the dreamlifter wheel drop incident
Thank you for another great video. From Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
You're the King of Aviation Explanation!
It'd be awesome to hear you explain some of the things Roger Reaves pulled off in his piloting heydays . .
@74Gear definitely has a passion for his career 😀
Hey Kelsy, Really liked this one. Great explanation and review. Did you ever hear or find data confirmation on the threat?
I'm pretty sure that kind of information wouldn't be made public, so he'd be risking his wings if he blabbed.
@@phydeux Exactly. My former boyfriend was an airline pilot. He wasn't allowed to share anything about his training for hijackings, etc.
@@phydeux I'm pretty sure that information would be a headline in the local news outlets and possibly national news. "Stupid teenager gets arrested for sending airdrop bomb threat."
@@DS-lt7fw I agree 100%, But there is no telling really. That's I asked Kelsey instead of Boomer? in the first place...
@@400AGLNET boomer hit the nail on the head though. Kelsey wouldn't know anyway unless he were directly involved in that incident because these things are treated as Security Sensitive.
That pilot sounds so done reporting the nature of the emergency.
You answered all my questions about the runway choice. TY
Heeeey! I can't believe you didn't provide an ending! Was there a bomb or was it a prank? Thanks for sharing!
Probably a prank, if someone had smuggled something explosive through airport security I would have heard about it already
Some dumbass teenager thought he'd play a joke. I'm not sure what happened to him, though.
@@davidhalldurham I just googled it and found someone saying this on a forum as well as another CZcams video about it - but no article from local news or anything. Where did you hear about that?
This happened in September 2022. There’s almost no info out on this online. It probably was a prank, as we didn’t hear anything else about it. There was a similar highly publicized threat incident earlier this year in Europe. A bored teen texted or posted he was going to blow the plane up, or something to that effect. The plane returned to port, accompanied by fighter jets. It didn’t end well for the teen.
Obviously it wasn’t a real bomb situation.
"We have a bomb on the aircraft."
"A bo-"
"No, not a bo, a bomb."
I really enjoy watching your videos. I can honestly say that I would feel safe flying anywhere in the world knowing that you were up front.
Great post, Kelsey.
Kelsey: I believe that they asked the nature the second time because folks on the ground wanted more information. I'm guessing that knowing whether there is an actual suspect or a general threat can impact the interaction with public safety teams after it lands.
I'm sure that is accurate, however I'm positive it's irritating to the pilots that are already under stress. If it's for the public safety teams that can wait until the plane has landed. As a retired controller our supervisors often directed us to ask additional questions during emergency situations, I would either wait for a point I felt the workload was reduced for the crew or return the answer of "they are to busy right now"
@@beezalbub7325 I think you missed my point. I'll be a bit clearer. Decisions have to be made before landing and details help in making those decisions. 1) Is there a likely suspect onboard. 2) What more can they describe about the threat/messages. That leads to determining whether the plane should go to the gate or be held away from the terminal. It also leads to decisions on whether to have an "orderly" disemarkcation, a rapid "bail-out", or some type tactical greeting will be needed. This needs to be sorted out in advance, if possible, to get people and equipment in the right location for immediate action. Those are the type of things going through the minds of the emergency responders and that controllers/pilots may not be as familliar with.
I can imagine why the crew would be vary of landing an overweight plane with tailwind. What I find odd is the ATC potentially allowing a plane that might have a bomb on board to go to the gate. Wouldn't the normal procedure be to have them park in some more remote spot to be checked first?
In fact the plane didn't go to the gate - it was subsequently told to taxi to a remote area where the FBI were waiting and they already knew the name of the perp by then. Using air drop was not a smart move
Great exposition. Thank you
Thank you for the video! So good! You have made it easy to understand. I have flown a lot (as a passenger, of course), and have been in hard situations: an engine failure; air whistling in the cockpit window. In both cases, we had to return to the originating airport. And have flown on the way after some time. In both cases, I have overheard air hostesses talking quietly to one another, standing right next to my seat. I did not worry. And I kept my mouth shut in both instances, as the last thing you must see on aircraft is panic among the passengers. In both instances, pilots demonstrated very high professionalism. Emergency services were on the ground (we could see them), but they were not required. My wish is that there are no emergency situations on any aircraft! Ever! Amen to that.
People don't really panic that much... what you have is a version of elite fear, where you believe you (and sometimes people like you) are somehow better than others and that you know better. It is the same reason that people that are in the "elite" class feel they have to fear everybody else because they believe they are more evolved and everybody else is just trash that will do insane things. The "elite" are wrong and so are you and you both are kind of terrible people.
Another terrific video. Well done. Even incidents that are not fresh would be terrific if you could interview those involved, even an ATC and ask why certain directions were given, etc. I suppose it's a legal thing but imagine the wonderful information gained if you were to conduct such a video exchange.
Regardless, you and your videos are 4+ in all regards.
To the people asking about a resolution or further details. The answer will be "I don't know" or "I can't say." Airlines are given specific instructions on how to train their staff for these events and that the information and procedures are security sensitive. Talking about these details are how you lose your job or even end up with charges.
Great video, Kelsey!
Loved this……so pleased it amounts to nothing………having you go through it all was really intriguing.
Bob
England
Interesting video and very informative. Thank you.
@74gear absolutely love your channel and all your videos learned alot on your channel. I saw your Madagascar breakdown video and thought it was hilarious and informative and I was wondering if you can do one for the movie "Rise of Gru" I saw some interesting details that are actually true and would love to see your professional opinion on it. Anyways love the content and as always, keep the blue side up. 😊
Geeze, this one made me "freeze". I listened to every second of this video. Quite scary, just the mention of a " bomb" even off the cuff is enough to make my hair go up. I don't find it at all amusing. For passengers to get that message on their phones or whatever device was enough to make me faint. I can't imagine what the pilots were going through. You didn't mention how the rest of it went down. I can only assume the pilots landed safely and everyone got off. I just hope they traced those call threats and got their man, even if the F.B.I. had to be called in. Damn trouble making humanoid. Glad this
I’m shocked that waypoint DAHJR isn’t at Dodger Stadium.
i noticed the flight attendant would use the beverage cart to block the front galley when the pilot was using the bathroom during my last flight
Perhaps the pilots were a bit overwhelmed with the situation and did not want to try to make more calculations with the overweight landing and slight tailwind. Just a thought, but there could have been any number of reasons why they didn't speak up and take runway 7R. I think the controllers wanted to try to keep things as normal as possible at the airport for as long as possible and that's why they assigned 25L. Sorta evidenced by the reference to the 777 that had taken off from 25R.
thank you so much for this content!!
Great video Kelsey!
Love to hear the resolution of this. Air Drop is a feature of iPhones where you can share messages, photos, or documents directly with another iPhone(s) without “sending “ via wi-fi.
A couple of years ago I got to “overhear” a pair of overheated lovers on my plane, communicating their ardor.
I suspect law enforcement can track that kind of communication. Hope they caught the perpetrator.
Years ago, I worked at Cleveland-Hopkins for cargo and the charters. We had a passenger on an international non-smoking flight, who decided to light one up. He was advised that it was a non-smoking flight and continued to smoke. Well, the captain decided to call a mayday. When he landed and pulled up to the gate, there was literally a sea of blue waiting to arrest the passenger. This was before 9-11. Why do passengers do stupid things? There are always repercussions.
I understand arresting the passenger, but calling a mayday seems extreme
@@sierraromeomike Does seem a bit apocryphal of a story.
@@sierraromeomike The logic is like this "if hes willing to ignore our demands and smoke, he might be willing to die!" Its a zero tolerance paranoia logic.
I just wanna say that you are pne of the few S teir aviation channels on the internet keep up the great work
A big warm hello from Australia 🇦🇺 My fathers cousin (we are a close family in regional NSW) was one of the big engineers for Boeing (retired) and would be apart of the crash investigation teams. I still love listening to his story and knowledge on planes and for some reason just love watching them. I think it is truely fascinating how it went from taping wings, wood and jumping off tall buildings to the intricate details of these craft and those that have the passion to learn and fly them is definitely a calling in itself as policing was to me. I am apart of the specialist team that trains in anything that may happen terrorist accident wise at the airport and hope I never have to use those skills, but I do enjoy when the huge army planes and choppers land giving us a tour and the American acrobatics planes as well. It truely is something else!
Have you ever been to Australia? What is your opinion?
Good morning Kelsey from Chicago ☃️hope this day finds you and yours well BROTHER!!
KEEP THE BLUE SIDE UP 🛩😉
What I'm curious about is, how did these pilots (or how would any pilots) explain what was going on to the passengers? I would worry about actually triggering that potential bomb threat if you were to announce that as the reason for returning to the airport, but obviously you've got to tell them _something._ Great video as always, Kelsey!
For this flight, multiple passengers had received the air drop. They know what’s going on.
@@ancientmaverick13 they do, but what about the person doing the threatening? If I was a bomber and the flight crew got on the intercom and said we were returning to LAX due to a bomb threat, I might just decide there was no point in waiting and then do whatever it was I'd planned. Obviously that's not what happened, but I would imagine the flight crew probably thought about it when making the announcement. I'd say I'd have loved to be a fly on the wall, but... not so much in this case 😂
@@KatiaSwift I can’t imagine many actual bombers announce their plans ahead of time. But I haven’t exactly studied it. I’m just glad I’ve never witnessed this firsthand.
@@ancientmaverick13 yeah, if I heard that one a flight I was on i would assume it to be angry Karen or some idiot.
Tell them you're returning for mechanical reasons. They can find out later.
Love the picture of the plane against moving clouds used in this video.
Thank you for sharing..
Oh my gosh I cannot believe you didn't give us the rest of the story. What happened was this a real incident or a scenario? I guess I'll have to go back to the beginning and check it out. You are so awesome if I ever needed to fly I would want you to be my pilot!
I suspect it was a crazy girlfriend or wife they called in the threat
@@sirclarkmarz You dont call in an airdrop... youd have to be on the plane to send it. Go back to sleep grandpa.
@@sirclarkmarz lol bro doesn't understand what airdrop is- i believe it was actually some teenager who was just trying to troll.
to airdrop a message you have to be within 40 feet of the people you are airdropping it to, and it works over bluetooth, so a call would not have been possible to make unless it was made over wi-fi.
Bomb aside, it is weird landing with a tail wind lol. There was a TFR over my base airport the other day which necessitated using runway 35 even though the winds were 180@12. It’s weird turning final and having the winds accelerate you. Obviously I corrected for it but even still it’s wild how much a little tail wind adds to the landing distance.
And then factor in an overweight landing (and necessary added airspeed needed on final to compensate for that weight) on top of the tailwind. I see good reason why they landed into the wind even though it brought them in over the city.
New export coordinator here, really fascinating to learn about this side of things. Handling DG is something I'd love to hear more about
This was an amazing video. Not a pilot but breaking down what they're saying was amazing.
Legend has it the aircraft is still on the runway
"You have a cargo of, let's say, lithium batteries and they catch on fire." Didn't that exact scenario happen in a UPS 747 in the Middle East? Scary indeed.
Great video! Very informative.