The video was great and accurate with proof to back your views. My opinion on the drama is still the same. They are a bunch of uneducated creators in a loud minority who don't realize they're a minority. Even Pluto in the comments thinks casuals are a minority of the game. That is never the case. There are VERY few games that the casuals aren't the majority. Wiz is def not an insanely hard enough entry for that to be the case. I think you could argue gold keys are casual though, depending on the viewpoint. It doesn't require much gear to do a lot of these, and they can get pack rewards. You can do them at different level brackets. The only non-casual part is you might have to look for a strat with google, but casuals use CZcams guides for questing, so there is a back and forth pov on that. The only time dualschool could ever feel forced is soloing Freddie Kroaker. and the fact 95% of their complaints were already addressed by the devs days-months before their table just shows how ignorant they are to the community. They just want things handed to them on a plate rather than realizing this is an MMORPG. Progress is earned, and harder content should increase your progress. Either through quality or speed over another player not doing the harder content. The same thing happened with nullity robes. People just want shit without having to work for it and earn it lol
Calling us casuals ignorant or uneducated pretty much feels like I’m watching a Sauce stream lol. Maybe I am ignorant but you’re turning me further from the game with those kinds of thoughts toward fellow players.
People forget that wiz is still lowkey a children’s game and run by people who want to run it like that still, it’s honestly insane how some people just don’t understand the game they play, I’m not knocking anyone for playing it I love wiz but a perfectly balanced child’s game is literally impossible, some people just need to understand what wiz it’s. It’s not a competitive mainstream game targeted towards adults. It is run by money grubbing developers who want to target it towards children
I didn't call casuals ignorant I actually called the group of players who are above casual ignorant and the content creators uneducated. The fact you only picked up the 2 insults to intellectual capability is intriguing though. Rather than trying to argue any actual point vs my statements, infers you are probably apart of the uneducated or ignorant though. @@goodlucking244
Also I didnt say purely ignorant i stated that they are ignorant to the community. Even in almonds video there is tons of proof that most of their complaints have been addressed for the past months from the developers even their complaints that are correct and positive have been addressed. How can you speak for a community that you don't even keep up to date with? @@goodlucking244
You have a confusion between a Casual and Average. I made a video on this but a Casual player is somewhat as you described. They are a minority of the community who dont have the best gear, usually use bazaar gear and only quest or play wiz occasionally, theyve always been locked out of content. An average player is one with the best gear, or at least tries to get the best gear, an Average player is a player that wants to participate in Raids and the nightmare dungeon but has been locked out by KI because of their catering to community oriented players or Hardcore players, Average players are the majority. KI has been catering to us content creators, to hardcore players with prexisting communities so it makes sense to me why you defend it. You have no idea how it feels to be locked out of content. To have an entire update last year be a raid that only the top 2% of players can actually participate in. It’s absolutely ridiculous. The Average player wants the gear, they want nothing more than to participate, but are locked out because of how Kingsisle introduces these updates. KI has been catering to our group too much, we are not the majority, content creators are not the majority. Im sorry but I DONT want KI to cater to me. I want them to cater to my viewers who havent been able to access this content. Its super disappointing to see some content creators now that have become complacent in this.
Thank you Pluto, I completely concur. As an average player with one max wiz and one in Avalon with the rest in the 20s-30s levels mostly for gardening lol, I think some of these top tier elite players like Almond don’t quite realize how hard it is to get started back in with zero perfect pets, some pieces of top gear but nothing from packs, mounts and pets don’t have set bonuses because we may pay for member but not spend a bunch on packs for a few stats. My mount is a tiger (for gold). My pet isn’t 2.0 and I have never had the time to develop perfect pets even with mega snacks from CPs. My gear is upgraded at max to a few top pieces most worlds before giving up from team up random tries that get frustrating after awhile (although Novus was mostly easy enough and just a time consumer to get the gear at least). I like Almond’s content and he is terrific helping others. In fact he helped Liam in raids, which shows just how elite Almond is. But he does some stuff in twenty minutes that might take me a week to do so there is some disconnect in my opinion. All that said- I loved the round table and while of course it may have had some parts with comments that were not thought out since it was off the cuff, there were some great thoughts and suggestions as well. I watched nearly the entire thing after seeing Speedster was streaming it live on CZcams. It is a tricky time for KI trying to balance the widening division between top tier players wants and grinders, and the more causal yet still involved average player base that is feeling more disenfranchised with time in my opinion.
@@lykexxylekcynicus891 I don’t want to spend 3 hours uninterrupted with 11 other people relying on me to do certain things at specific times (I have a medically fragile person in the house that can suddenly need something from time to time and unpredictably). Luckily raids aren’t really needed for main line, plus they look way too long and grindy from the Sauce streams I’ve seen. I do have all the Wallaru gear outside the final dungeon. Pets are probably something I’ll need to work on over time cuz they don’t need specific timeframes to train up. My lower levels feel too far away from max and don’t want to grind thru Aztecs and Khrysallis. Maybe my laziness reply shows some of the problem with casuals, or at least me- I don’t want to invest so much time and/or don’t have chunks of large uninterrupted time to play. Pets though I can probably do more with. I need to get a full iso pet base first. Wiz has side activities that at times don’t need full attention span chunks of time, so good on them for that. Pets are a huge time, gold, and snack sink, but they are great for spending 2 minutes or half an hour on at a time.
The term casual is annoying to me. It is used by people who are elitists imo. I play daily since 2009. Anywhere from one to five six seven hours a day. I have five accounts and 37 wizards. I know more than most people in this game, about the game and how it works. 14 of my wizards are maxed to 170. I play four wizards at a time and I am my own squad. I garden, I craft, I ramp up my pets, I go for top gear without having to do guilds, raids etc. ...... and I do not do PVP. I am in no way shape or form a casual player. I am dedicated to this game, to competing my way through on all my characters and I ask for no hand outs and work hard at it. Am I casual bc I do not pvp or do guilds or raids? LOL ...Only the elitists would say I am. So like I said, the term casual is annoying simply bc it was created by ppl with attitudes.
Challenge mode being first didn't make me mad, it's that it isn't a dungeon at all. It's a raid nothing like a dungeon the amount of running around in the maze and back tracking for the stupid 12 waters just to fight the boss. They should have just said we are making a pve raid so people would have lowered their expectations instead of getting excited thinking it was like darkmoor.
Usually when you enter a closed off area with multiple enemies and puzzle elements, you are in a dungeon. You can define it however you want, dungeon, raid, lollygag. Truth is no matter what they marketed it as people will find a reason to be discontent. I personally think it's better in terms of gameplay than dark moor. The atmosphere and story elements aren't but in terms of the raw gameplay it's so much better than dark moor. Half of dark moor is fighting the first fight and half the team leaves mid way through every other run. Dark moor looks great, sounds great, and drops great gear, but it is just 3 glorified boss fights in a row if you think about it. First fight is feint stack, second fight is blade stack, 3rd fight is blade stack with stagger join. They add a maze and cooperative elements and it's suddenly a full blown raid. If you actually raided you wouldn't call it a raid. There are some issues with it, but the recent patch fixed pretty much all of it. Stop complaining for the sack of complaining.
Complaining for the 'sake' of complaining? A dungeon is farmable content it's mainly fights with small puzzles. Almond even said the dungeon was made in challenge mode FIRST then standard is second hand. Translation only Raids have time limits with advance combat rules, NO DUNGEON has had this ever thus it was NEVER designed as a dungeon. I'm saying people wouldn't be so angry in the first place if KI didn't overhype and lie calling this a dungeon. This is a PVE raid/4 man raid if people knew that they would have just skipped it how most people skip raids now cause their not fun. If raids were really fun people wouldn't have spammed the chest with crowns when the exploit was available so they could just get the gear and not redo the raid.@@stevenbojilov596
As casual players, I would like to do pvp. However, we have no casual/beginners friendly alternatives. PVP should have a non-ranked option with advanced rules and reasonable rewards with casuals/beginners in mind. It would take away the pressures of ranking and giving casual/beginners away to still be rewarded as we learn. It also would allow those who don't to do rank to kind of choose how competitive we want to be. Casual pvp should still benefit the player in my opinion.
Yeah tournaments back in the day was nice if you didn't want to do rank but compete. I liked being able to possibly win a housing trophy, and the chance to win tickets was part of the fun. I don't know if tournaments as it was would be what I would want now, because I do like some of the new stuff. However, I do think there should be non-ranked pvp options that rewards players for their competing.
I appreciate your pros/cons on the roundtable/discussion. I agree with some, disagree with some, but isn't that what makes our community diverse? All different opinions are needed to see the different views from all different players. I can only talk for myself, but I like to hear differing opinions on what I think and feel. Someone made a video about one of my videos saying they didn't like one thing. Instead of getting mad or whatever, I checked out what they were talking about, looked at from an outside perspective and decided I needed to change it as I didn't see how it looked because I was looking at it only from my angle. Discussions can only happen when participants are open to listening to others in a respectful way, while being able to voice their thoughts on the subject in the same. If more happen in the future, I'm sure they'll be structured and topics limited.
You keep making points about what you think casual players want and don't want. I see what seems to stop this conversation from happening is that many people with your mindset don't understand that it is not a fact that casual players don't want to PvP It's that they can't. The stream of bad changes has caused people who thought they were hardcore wizards to basically become "casual" because of them.
I agree there seems to be some echo chamber type feel to the interactions of (loosely defining here) casuals and elites at times lol. Why a few people get toxic with it or get outside context is a bit frustrating to me.
fr bro i came back just to pvp. leveled up my level 10 to 170 just to learn i have to do raids if i wanna have a fighting chance. why oh why cant i just craft pvp gear
Same here, so many people want to PvP and to say that people don't is just so crazy because I know almond has been playing the game for a while now and was probably there when PvP was something anyone and everyone could do, and it was only that way because to be good at PvP you had to PvP consistently to get the gear. I should have noticed where everything was going when the "meta" gear moved from the stadium to the crown shop.@@101wolf
well it's kinda hard to see the other side when you have to rally behind the devs that rely on you to pedal good words about their game, instead of investing in actual marketing
Alright I gave the video a chance, and watch thru its entirety, but before I give you my thoughts I want to say a few things. I first want to say I respect a lot that you do as a creator and the guides you make to help a multitude of players including myself. I also appreciate you took the time to talk to me and some others about your disagreements towards the discussion, and while we disagreed in quite a bit we also agreed at some, you've done much more than what other "said streamer" bothered to do. Now lets talk about some of my issues with your video. 1.) Like Pluto said, you along with others within the "Roundtable" stream got the terminology of the "casual player" confused. Terminology is not that huge of a deal if you watched the stream however because if you looked at the line up you had a variety of different players, Myself (as an ex classic PvPer), Liahm (as a Roshambo PvP player), Val (whose dabbled quite a good bit with raids and advanced content), and others (who are more on the casual side). The discussion was not solely about the casual player, it was about players within casual and the "average player" spectrum of PvE. Average players can potentially be interested in PvP but there's a huge barrier to entry and there's no mistaking it. 2.) The cons you listed had some good parts but its like making a dry cake with a tons of frosting, you focused too hard on minor points that weren't even discussed for a extended period of time, for example the creator codes, I do personally think that was an unnecessary talking point even if it was mentioned by one of the creators. The ones I agree with a lot however were points like, "creators need to talk with the devs more," this is extremely valid as I do feel as if we tend to be scared to talk with developers, I cannot speak for everyone but I myself feel like I would be wasting their time messaging them. (Even though I know I am cool with Stormbringer, and Cam is a very nice person despite some disagreements we have, same goes with Artie; Kyle even likes my stuff despite the way I go about things can be brutally honest). I am not to sure who mentioned about Standard mode giving the same rewards are challenge, but that I disagree with as well, because you obviously want incentive to do challenge mode beyond just the challenge. But overall the cons gave a super nit picky vibe to them, but you did give solid points there. 3.) Your reasoning for not putting yourself in the discussion was weak, same as when we had the call (you didn't want to have arguments), I mentioned this to you personally and I would say it again, your perspective would've been highly appreciated there. You noticed others joined the call to chime in their inputs and you could've done the same but decided not do it, but I'll give you at the very least you didn't just up and lie to us and say, you weren't invited so props to you for that. 4.) Now I'm unsure why you made this point about "creators believe that the nightmare changes were due to the Roundtable" but that simply isn't true, no one to my knowledge made this point that were a part of the discussion, the only people I've seen made this take were some non-creators and Edward from Around The Spiral. 5.) Pretty odd take about tournaments. You can apply the same argument for tournaments as you can with Challenge mode in a way. The reason why people no longer do tournaments is because of the tickets being that extra incentive was taken away, same reason advanced players do challenge for the extra rewards (its not just for the challenge). Idk where you got the idea that we would do tournaments even without the tickets, we mentioned that players would just rather do house/Practice PvP, but the way the playerbase is now a days its rare to set up a house PvP party, let alone practice matches. As an ex PvP player I can explain this to you a little further. Tournaments benefited the casual to average player as there isn't much stakes being lost with the exception of placing lower and losing out on some arena tickets, but you still get them anyway, so some actually do it for fun as the extra incentive was there despite placing lower🤯, others did it to practice their skills without having to worry about their "rank/leaderboard" placements being changed. 6.) Deleting comments that disagree with you is a little cringe, you imply about an "echo chamber" as most people in call were "agreeing" with each other, but doing what you do is also essentially the same thing. It is your channel that is true, and you can moderate it as you see fit, but don't act surprised the moment people start criticizing you for it. All in all decent video, and while we disagree, in the end we want the game to improve, the way we go about it however is just different. And to anyone else reading this, thank you for your time.
Is that a reference to ATS saying he wasn’t invited to the roundtable? Also please if you can actually contact DEVs I need to know what’s going on with archmastery in PvE it isn’t fair that with higher level wizards being in your battle that you’re no longer able to do anything
Contemplating quitting this game tbh, I've been playing for 10 years, but it just feels so dead compared to before..like it's lost the magic. Everything feels so grindy, gatcha/rng crown loot related..idk ..just doesn't feel as fun anymore. Don't like either how they hyped and insinuated the nightmare dungeon would be different than what it really was: a raid. I've always been an average/casual player but tried to always keep up with the best gear, but the changes kingsisle has made have just felt so debilitating. I don't have time and I'd imagine most of the player base as well to constantly spend several hours to do and prepare for things like raids and participate in guild concentrated activities.
Pick a poison. You say that everything feels grindy and gatcha/rng while complaining when they change and introduce new in-game mechanics. Without pushing players outside what they’re used to, it’s always going to feel repetitive (blade stack-aoe). If you have the time to grind for the newest gear, you can allocate some of that to learning a new skill in the game.
@@ed.amame_z I don't have an issue with the new mechanics being in game, and the various creators at the round table said as such. The issue is rather Kingsisle's repeated back against player feedback. It's great there are new advanced combat mechanics and raids, but as well Kingsisle has to admit mass majority of the player base are casual on/off players. There should be better tutorials for each of the mechanics directly in game (such as rhoshambo+gambit conditions), and there shouldn't always be a conflation between pvp and pve. There was no need for archmastery clashing between players in pve or to nerf the dmg cap in pve *in my opinion*. Additionally, although the nightmare is interesting of a concept, I didn't expect the standard mode to be raid-esque as well. I was similarly hoping for something like Darkmoor or Tartarus, not because of "blade stack aoe hit", but rather because of the creative lore, expansiveness, and uniqueness it brought.
i agree with almond, also faeriequeens and some of the other youtuber are so sensitive, because youre just speaking your opinion, even if harshly it was valid (in my opinion)
Wiz full of crybabies. Almond just spits facts and has helped us all with the new nightmare dungeon and all our deckathalons and raids instead of just crying about it being too hard.
I don’t fall under casual player, but with that being said for someone like me who invested a lot of time into farming, raids, etc. nightmare made me lose interest in this game, I haven’t touched this game since nightmare so if that makes someone like me not want to play the game. I can imagine how a casual player must feel. Apart from the dungeon, the pve damage caps makes farming this gear as pointless as me buying gold from the crown shop. Regardless I have zero interest in coming back to the game & I have warlords, Marshalls in pvp. I have characters in every school, pets made for every scenario.
I for one like to see little W’s for the game. I obviously am an above Casual/ Average player. I do everything but pvp. But even i understand the game cant bow down to every wish i want… I for one do like the challenge aspects of the game. Maybe because i dont want this game to always feel like a pushover. And to genuinely get frustrated over a dungeon was kinda nice. We haven’t had something like that on that scale besides raids. And Wheather a casual player may not like the harder content of the game, i none the less do thing Kingsisle needs to slowly implement low tier challenge modes to help people understand more of the hardest content in the game like raids. Maybe not force the players to do harder stuff but to definitely implement something to the players so challenge mode/pvp mode isnt so dang brand new to them. Thats my main problem wit challenge mode… But i do think this was a step in the right direction TO TEACH THE PLAYER BASE ON CHALLENGE MODES. Thats what i think KI messed up on. If they gonna throw Gambits/ pvp only spells into a casual dungeon that drops world gear for that world(specifically a main questline world) then at least teach the average player on how to use their school gambits that they implemented after Novus? Or was it Lemuria… everyone needs to literally state the problem.. and why its a problem.. no more stupid “well they never listen” well maybe cuz YOUR 🫵🏻 NOT EXPLAINING THE ISSUE AND WHY ITS A ISSUE FOR NOT JUS U MAYBE :)
Also is it just me that has been noticing this but a lot of people bring up “this is a kids game” point when most players are either adults are reaching to that point. To me they bring that point up to give the idea to people that the games content/difficult should be watered down to the blade into the aoe gameplay again which they’ve said they missed the “braindead” aspect. How does the game move on if people have complained the gameplay is the same but when they release something new, people are saying they miss nostalgia.
@@wesbrown738 but others game such as Pokémon have the E rating and yet it has its complex’s aspects. Even the devs mentioned that they understand their player base are more in the older side of things. And chat being filtered shouldn’t be a problem for people if most games have filters
@@MaplesHD Pokemon is actually an interesting and relevant example I play a lot and I play comp VGC. The Pokemon devs will remove features from highly respected games like heart gold and say "it's because that's to complicated for kids" but Pokemon will also have many things about it not necessarily catered to kids. I bring this up because I think wiz used the "it's a kids game" when it suits them.
@@wesbrown738 yeah that’s the point I’m trying to make on most Rated E games have aspects kids won’t understand but adults do, but most of the times kids won’t even care and move on with their games. Pokémon and Ki acknowledges they have an older player base hence why they add complexed aspects. Ki can do a better job explaining said expects though
Valid video. I do believe pvp needs an overhaul though. Raids and pvp should be separate modes and pvp should not require raid gear (e.g xibalba) to be viable. ATM if you don’t have a 3 or 4 piece xibalba set you don’t stand a chance in the higher ranks
1. Gotta understand the issue between the 2 points I brought up in the video of when they did compare them. 2. I did say in the Pros section that they can add a pity system and went more in depth regarding it.
Yes, thats why people compare wizard101 genshin both have pay to win gatcha systems. Genshin has characters and weapons, wizard101 has spells, spellements, gear, mounts, and pets. But genshin somehow gives more with rewarding achievements/badges and they have a pity system for their loot crate.
Lmao what even happened, all almond said was not everyone is a good content creator... and now all ive seen is insults being thrown at almond?(hypocrits) All this is just a bunch of tea at the end of the day, crazy how personally they all took you simply disagreeing with them. Idk, i just see some projection coming from them. Its like some 200 sub channels got so happy about their green name, that the simple words uttered "you're not a content creator" just crushed their lil world.
perhaps the opinion they had, lacked so much substance, that it in fact was a non-idea. so a donut accurately describes the thought frequency pattern that the said content creator had imagined; in turn making the opinion that of a hollow thought, a donut. This is just my opinion though.@@trishapaytaskitchenfloor
I personally don't understand why he cant have an opinion without everyone within the community attacking him. He said what he wanted to say about the entirety of the game, the community, and reality. Why is it that he cant have an opinion? Furthermore, if what he said doesn't apply to you don't take it personally why feel attacked when he wasn't even attacking anyone. At the end of the day there is no reason for anyone to be targeting him as if what he said was harmful or hateful actions. The majority of what I have read and seen on others videos has been significantly more harmful and hateful. Why cant everyone play the game have there opinions and just enjoy wiz for what it is.
@darealalmond I think U missed the point on gold keys. I think it was Richard (Unicorncaller if I recall correctly- IIRC) that was basically complaining about the long ago gold key change that made attaining them way more grindy than back in the old days where they dropped fairly often from, for example, bosses in Drakmoor and a few other places. Now none of them drop keys. And the ways to get them now are mostly quite grindy (like maxing out the rewards line in beastmoon or whatever or using a ton of moonstones to craft them, etc). As to Liam bringing up PVP gold keys being the easiest way to get them as a semi sarcastic joke since he was saying it was at warlord and basically no one outside HK is consistently warlord status- I don’t think he ever said it was the only way to attain them so I think you misheard the stream on that. I don’t recall anyone on the round table saying PVP was the only way to get gold keys so think U mistook or misheard that. I liked the stream/round table but also saw it thru the lens of a casual and knowing it was kind of a group vent and talk with some solution and group input (some thought out, some probably just said in the moment so not thought out) as well as getting a feel for several other content creators. I don’t think people were planning on doing homework to go in with well thought-out questions and concerns but nonetheless I felt some of them had great input anyway. Thank you for all you do for the wiz community! You are truly an elite player and I honestly can’t relate to you. I could never farm 999 dream water or do raids (not even in a Guild) or do the final Wallaru dungeon for 16 hours straight to become the first ever to beat the original release, for example lol, but I don’t really discord or v chat or have comms outside typing in chat with a friend or quester occasionally and just operate at a much much slower and less efficient pace in the game than elites even though I log on many more days than not. Keep up the great content helping the rest of us.
Gold keys were easier to obtain by grinding and farming bosses over and over. The changes that were made removed grinding for gold keys in favor of earning them while naturally playing the game. Wiz player shave no clue what they want, the same people that say they want less grind are the same people that complain about gold keys.
@@stevenbojilov596 So as far as gold keys I know what I would like. If we returned and reverted it back, I could defeat a Darkmoor boss and collect a gold key in, say, 15-20 minutes with nothing other than a few spells in my deck and team up. Which method today would I use to get a gold key in, say, an hour (about 400% longer) with nothing to do except spend that hour on a particular acticivity?
@@goodlucking244 Personally, I wouldn't wanna farm darkmoor to get gold keys. I already am done with darkmoor for a while and don't want to have to farm mobs constantly for gold keys. Also its rng so I can just spend an hour and not get a gold key. I already do beastmoon and pvp, now I can spend the rewards from that on gold keys (if I want). I already do spiral showcase, amazing I can get a gold key from that. Personally, I don't wanna grind the same boss for a year to get all my gold keys. I'll just do the daily and suplement my gold keys with beastmoon or smthing if I need more. Idk you'd think players would be happy when KI removes some of the grind they complain about but then players start complaining for another reason.
@@stevenbojilov596 That is fair. I don’t PVP and don’t do spiral showcase although I do Beastmoon at times and could reroute my hunter’s moonstones toward gold keys but, as I said, it takes a lot of them and a lot of time so a lot of gardening considering we get 3 beastmoon seed plots. I don’t think KI removed grind by taking out gold key drops from before and replacing it with most current methods, although the membership token thing definitely is a W. I only had one token though from one month lol. Guess I’ll take my one gold key and try and rotate with three others to maybe get 4 or 5 runs in these darn gold key bosses for spellements, which is another whole level of grind that didn’t use to be there.
@@goodlucking244 Yeah the spellement grind is pretty bad. I think they realized this and are trying to add new key bosses which drop pack gear as well so that you not only get spellements but gear that is actually usuable in PVE and PVP. I respect that people prefer farming the keys from bosses, but I think the way they have done it now made it a lot more friendly for the average player. Since you get keys naturally from side quests and badges and loyalty.
they don't need to raise the value due to its a small amount and you can only get a badge once on one character. they give 10 crowns for watching a literal ad in wiz now.@@sdsdsd8600
Why are people being rude he has some very good points. I feel like a lot of people are just feeling burn out go play another game for a little have some fun play new games take a brake and then come back I did that and it made me love the game more
Almonds ideas are always pretty on point, but an opinion is an opinion, you can agree to disagree. If you take the time to harass him over a 2009 MMORPG then I personally think you might have to seek therapy 😅 just a suggestion. Don't put your panties in a twist.
Also don't agree with the tournaments take, I think there always has to be some incentive to do something in any game or life in general. Tournaments drew in a lot of casuals, was it really so bad that people could stack up tickets? I have played a lot less (on wiz in general) since they removed tickets from tourneys and I know a lot of people are in the same boat. Also yes tourneys are dead because you never get placed, saying "just go do tourneys" Is like saying go to pet derbys
Yeah but their reasoning was they would love to do tournaments even if there was no rewards. If you really do not care about the rewards then what is stopping you from actually doing it?
@@DaRealAlmond im not sure how many people said they would do them regardless of rewards, but even ignoring that point what's stopping me is lack of players doing them so even if I said I'd do it regardless of rewards so few players do them so I never even get placed in a bracket. So are we just never going to change tournaments because a few players said they'd do them regardless of rewards???
@@wesbrown738 The statement based upon the stream was that "hey I wanna do tournaments & I don't care about the rewards!". Genuinely if that's the only reason they cared about them, then just simply do them if you don't care about rewards. Now if you say "Oh I care about tourneys cause the easy tickets and rewards" then its a separate topic, which wasn't talked about on the stream. Of course they have improvements and plans for them down the line (As shown in the video). I critiqued what was said on the steam specifically.
@@DaRealAlmond This statement is true, you can't just you love tournaments and dont care about the rewards BUT then proceed to complain about the rewards being removed.
Just curious where they said they don't care about rewards. I made a list of the topics, ideas, suggestions, etc. for the Devs and what was said regarding Tournaments was: -Want Classic PVP Tourneys and Low-Level PVP with rewards to entice players to come back to PVP, "worth the grind" -Feel Tourneys will bring a lot of players back to PVP, good way to practice PVP without having your ranking change & can get tickets, mounts, gear, etc. -Want Tournaments back- Low stakes, Low barrier entry, high rewards "something to play for"@@DaRealAlmond
53:20 In my eyes, you are an outlier within the diluted trash that is wiz content and I respect the effort you put into your channel and videos compared to a majority of other creators in this community. Keep making content and livin it up fr
I mean... I'd call my self casual. i mean i am just now getting aeon gear. after startting wallaru lol. I just wanted to have some viby fun on a kids game, i mean their audiance grew up and i guess so did their content? But, the whole energy of focusing mainly on pvp and streamlinging early game is kinda throwing me off, its more about the fact for me that they are dissolving early game for late game, which we wouldn't have if we didn't get invested in the early to mid game. It's saccraficed its magic to satisfy the top 5% of the communicty, aka content creators and those who are done with everything, since 1. content creators are all they have for marketing and 2. the money they get are from those at the end game. but even then its not supporting content creators.
I don't understand why some people are crying about someone having an opinion, if you can't take someone who is usually right about these things to have an opinion, then please seek help for your mental health. Almond keep up the good work. I will never understand the need to harass someone for giving an opinion and who brought up great points might I add. These cry babies are clearly uneducated and just need to stop crying a river and to just go mind their business and play the dang game.
i do think tournaments are disabled? ive tried signing up for them at least 20 times in the last few months and never once has a match started, it just refunds me and says your next match will be free
@@101wolf This. It's that the que is so dead for them. This guy told me to just go do tournaments for no rewards but he doesn't understand the que is empty so they are dead
Tourneys are dead. It’s not just the rewards taken away, it’s the changes to pvp that make team pvp unplayable and 1v1s in tourneys don’t give you enough time to kill bec this meta has changed so much
The video was great and accurate with proof to back your views. My opinion on the drama is still the same. They are a bunch of uneducated creators in a loud minority who don't realize they're a minority. Even Pluto in the comments thinks casuals are a minority of the game. That is never the case. There are VERY few games that the casuals aren't the majority. Wiz is def not an insanely hard enough entry for that to be the case. I think you could argue gold keys are casual though, depending on the viewpoint. It doesn't require much gear to do a lot of these, and they can get pack rewards. You can do them at different level brackets. The only non-casual part is you might have to look for a strat with google, but casuals use CZcams guides for questing, so there is a back and forth pov on that. The only time dualschool could ever feel forced is soloing Freddie Kroaker. and the fact 95% of their complaints were already addressed by the devs days-months before their table just shows how ignorant they are to the community. They just want things handed to them on a plate rather than realizing this is an MMORPG. Progress is earned, and harder content should increase your progress. Either through quality or speed over another player not doing the harder content. The same thing happened with nullity robes. People just want shit without having to work for it and earn it lol
Calling us casuals ignorant or uneducated pretty much feels like I’m watching a Sauce stream lol. Maybe I am ignorant but you’re turning me further from the game with those kinds of thoughts toward fellow players.
People forget that wiz is still lowkey a children’s game and run by people who want to run it like that still, it’s honestly insane how some people just don’t understand the game they play, I’m not knocking anyone for playing it I love wiz but a perfectly balanced child’s game is literally impossible, some people just need to understand what wiz it’s. It’s not a competitive mainstream game targeted towards adults. It is run by money grubbing developers who want to target it towards children
I didn't call casuals ignorant I actually called the group of players who are above casual ignorant and the content creators uneducated. The fact you only picked up the 2 insults to intellectual capability is intriguing though. Rather than trying to argue any actual point vs my statements, infers you are probably apart of the uneducated or ignorant though. @@goodlucking244
Also I didnt say purely ignorant i stated that they are ignorant to the community. Even in almonds video there is tons of proof that most of their complaints have been addressed for the past months from the developers even their complaints that are correct and positive have been addressed. How can you speak for a community that you don't even keep up to date with? @@goodlucking244
relax bro some people have a social life and see sunlight and not sit and play wiz for 15 hours a day on 4 accounts
man i literally just want to pvp without having to join a guild and do raids.
exactly
You have a confusion between a Casual and Average. I made a video on this but a Casual player is somewhat as you described. They are a minority of the community who dont have the best gear, usually use bazaar gear and only quest or play wiz occasionally, theyve always been locked out of content. An average player is one with the best gear, or at least tries to get the best gear, an Average player is a player that wants to participate in Raids and the nightmare dungeon but has been locked out by KI because of their catering to community oriented players or Hardcore players, Average players are the majority. KI has been catering to us content creators, to hardcore players with prexisting communities so it makes sense to me why you defend it. You have no idea how it feels to be locked out of content. To have an entire update last year be a raid that only the top 2% of players can actually participate in. It’s absolutely ridiculous. The Average player wants the gear, they want nothing more than to participate, but are locked out because of how Kingsisle introduces these updates. KI has been catering to our group too much, we are not the majority, content creators are not the majority. Im sorry but I DONT want KI to cater to me. I want them to cater to my viewers who havent been able to access this content. Its super disappointing to see some content creators now that have become complacent in this.
Thank you, described it perfectly.
Thank you Pluto, I completely concur. As an average player with one max wiz and one in Avalon with the rest in the 20s-30s levels mostly for gardening lol, I think some of these top tier elite players like Almond don’t quite realize how hard it is to get started back in with zero perfect pets, some pieces of top gear but nothing from packs, mounts and pets don’t have set bonuses because we may pay for member but not spend a bunch on packs for a few stats. My mount is a tiger (for gold). My pet isn’t 2.0 and I have never had the time to develop perfect pets even with mega snacks from CPs. My gear is upgraded at max to a few top pieces most worlds before giving up from team up random tries that get frustrating after awhile (although Novus was mostly easy enough and just a time consumer to get the gear at least).
I like Almond’s content and he is terrific helping others. In fact he helped Liam in raids, which shows just how elite Almond is. But he does some stuff in twenty minutes that might take me a week to do so there is some disconnect in my opinion.
All that said- I loved the round table and while of course it may have had some parts with comments that were not thought out since it was off the cuff, there were some great thoughts and suggestions as well. I watched nearly the entire thing after seeing Speedster was streaming it live on CZcams.
It is a tricky time for KI trying to balance the widening division between top tier players wants and grinders, and the more causal yet still involved average player base that is feeling more disenfranchised with time in my opinion.
Just push yourself in, it ain’t that hard If you wanna raid, reach out Being “locked out” isn’t an excuse.
@@lykexxylekcynicus891 I don’t want to spend 3 hours uninterrupted with 11 other people relying on me to do certain things at specific times (I have a medically fragile person in the house that can suddenly need something from time to time and unpredictably). Luckily raids aren’t really needed for main line, plus they look way too long and grindy from the Sauce streams I’ve seen. I do have all the Wallaru gear outside the final dungeon. Pets are probably something I’ll need to work on over time cuz they don’t need specific timeframes to train up. My lower levels feel too far away from max and don’t want to grind thru Aztecs and Khrysallis.
Maybe my laziness reply shows some of the problem with casuals, or at least me- I don’t want to invest so much time and/or don’t have chunks of large uninterrupted time to play. Pets though I can probably do more with. I need to get a full iso pet base first. Wiz has side activities that at times don’t need full attention span chunks of time, so good on them for that. Pets are a huge time, gold, and snack sink, but they are great for spending 2 minutes or half an hour on at a time.
@@lykexxylekcynicus891im not the one being locked out
The term casual is annoying to me. It is used by people who are elitists imo. I play daily since 2009. Anywhere from one to five six seven hours a day. I have five accounts and 37 wizards. I know more than most people in this game, about the game and how it works. 14 of my wizards are maxed to 170. I play four wizards at a time and I am my own squad. I garden, I craft, I ramp up my pets, I go for top gear without having to do guilds, raids etc. ...... and I do not do PVP. I am in no way shape or form a casual player. I am dedicated to this game, to competing my way through on all my characters and I ask for no hand outs and work hard at it. Am I casual bc I do not pvp or do guilds or raids? LOL ...Only the elitists would say I am. So like I said, the term casual is annoying simply bc it was created by ppl with attitudes.
Challenge mode being first didn't make me mad, it's that it isn't a dungeon at all. It's a raid nothing like a dungeon the amount of running around in the maze and back tracking for the stupid 12 waters just to fight the boss. They should have just said we are making a pve raid so people would have lowered their expectations instead of getting excited thinking it was like darkmoor.
Yeah they hyped it so much but it was just a raid
Usually when you enter a closed off area with multiple enemies and puzzle elements, you are in a dungeon. You can define it however you want, dungeon, raid, lollygag. Truth is no matter what they marketed it as people will find a reason to be discontent. I personally think it's better in terms of gameplay than dark moor. The atmosphere and story elements aren't but in terms of the raw gameplay it's so much better than dark moor. Half of dark moor is fighting the first fight and half the team leaves mid way through every other run. Dark moor looks great, sounds great, and drops great gear, but it is just 3 glorified boss fights in a row if you think about it. First fight is feint stack, second fight is blade stack, 3rd fight is blade stack with stagger join. They add a maze and cooperative elements and it's suddenly a full blown raid. If you actually raided you wouldn't call it a raid. There are some issues with it, but the recent patch fixed pretty much all of it. Stop complaining for the sack of complaining.
Complaining for the 'sake' of complaining? A dungeon is farmable content it's mainly fights with small puzzles. Almond even said the dungeon was made in challenge mode FIRST then standard is second hand. Translation only Raids have time limits with advance combat rules, NO DUNGEON has had this ever thus it was NEVER designed as a dungeon. I'm saying people wouldn't be so angry in the first place if KI didn't overhype and lie calling this a dungeon. This is a PVE raid/4 man raid if people knew that they would have just skipped it how most people skip raids now cause their not fun. If raids were really fun people wouldn't have spammed the chest with crowns when the exploit was available so they could just get the gear and not redo the raid.@@stevenbojilov596
Also the broken dreams are buggy and impossible to avoid because of latency if you live outside the us
As casual players, I would like to do pvp. However, we have no casual/beginners friendly alternatives. PVP should have a non-ranked option with advanced rules and reasonable rewards with casuals/beginners in mind. It would take away the pressures of ranking and giving casual/beginners away to still be rewarded as we learn. It also would allow those who don't to do rank to kind of choose how competitive we want to be. Casual pvp should still benefit the player in my opinion.
We used to have tourneys but they didn't like people stacking tickets ...
Yeah tournaments back in the day was nice if you didn't want to do rank but compete. I liked being able to possibly win a housing trophy, and the chance to win tickets was part of the fun. I don't know if tournaments as it was would be what I would want now, because I do like some of the new stuff. However, I do think there should be non-ranked pvp options that rewards players for their competing.
practice 1v1 has enter the chat
@@iibubinot the same
I appreciate your pros/cons on the roundtable/discussion. I agree with some, disagree with some, but isn't that what makes our community diverse? All different opinions are needed to see the different views from all different players.
I can only talk for myself, but I like to hear differing opinions on what I think and feel. Someone made a video about one of my videos saying they didn't like one thing. Instead of getting mad or whatever, I checked out what they were talking about, looked at from an outside perspective and decided I needed to change it as I didn't see how it looked because I was looking at it only from my angle.
Discussions can only happen when participants are open to listening to others in a respectful way, while being able to voice their thoughts on the subject in the same. If more happen in the future, I'm sure they'll be structured and topics limited.
Well stated, thank you for your content creator vids too BTW!
Awe, thank you so much! @@goodlucking244
You keep making points about what you think casual players want and don't want. I see what seems to stop this conversation from happening is that many people with your mindset don't understand that it is not a fact that casual players don't want to PvP It's that they can't. The stream of bad changes has caused people who thought they were hardcore wizards to basically become "casual" because of them.
I agree there seems to be some echo chamber type feel to the interactions of (loosely defining here) casuals and elites at times lol. Why a few people get toxic with it or get outside context is a bit frustrating to me.
Agreed, its an actual discussion to be had and when both jump to attacking or defending KI, it just fogs the main topic. @@goodlucking244
fr bro i came back just to pvp. leveled up my level 10 to 170 just to learn i have to do raids if i wanna have a fighting chance. why oh why cant i just craft pvp gear
Same here, so many people want to PvP and to say that people don't is just so crazy because I know almond has been playing the game for a while now and was probably there when PvP was something anyone and everyone could do, and it was only that way because to be good at PvP you had to PvP consistently to get the gear. I should have noticed where everything was going when the "meta" gear moved from the stadium to the crown shop.@@101wolf
well it's kinda hard to see the other side when you have to rally behind the devs that rely on you to pedal good words about their game, instead of investing in actual marketing
Alright I gave the video a chance, and watch thru its entirety, but before I give you my thoughts I want to say a few things.
I first want to say I respect a lot that you do as a creator and the guides you make to help a multitude of players including myself. I also appreciate you took the time to talk to me and some others about your disagreements towards the discussion, and while we disagreed in quite a bit we also agreed at some, you've done much more than what other "said streamer" bothered to do.
Now lets talk about some of my issues with your video.
1.) Like Pluto said, you along with others within the "Roundtable" stream got the terminology of the "casual player" confused. Terminology is not that huge of a deal if you watched the stream however because if you looked at the line up you had a variety of different players, Myself (as an ex classic PvPer), Liahm (as a Roshambo PvP player), Val (whose dabbled quite a good bit with raids and advanced content), and others (who are more on the casual side). The discussion was not solely about the casual player, it was about players within casual and the "average player" spectrum of PvE. Average players can potentially be interested in PvP but there's a huge barrier to entry and there's no mistaking it.
2.) The cons you listed had some good parts but its like making a dry cake with a tons of frosting, you focused too hard on minor points that weren't even discussed for a extended period of time, for example the creator codes, I do personally think that was an unnecessary talking point even if it was mentioned by one of the creators. The ones I agree with a lot however were points like, "creators need to talk with the devs more," this is extremely valid as I do feel as if we tend to be scared to talk with developers, I cannot speak for everyone but I myself feel like I would be wasting their time messaging them. (Even though I know I am cool with Stormbringer, and Cam is a very nice person despite some disagreements we have, same goes with Artie; Kyle even likes my stuff despite the way I go about things can be brutally honest). I am not to sure who mentioned about Standard mode giving the same rewards are challenge, but that I disagree with as well, because you obviously want incentive to do challenge mode beyond just the challenge. But overall the cons gave a super nit picky vibe to them, but you did give solid points there.
3.) Your reasoning for not putting yourself in the discussion was weak, same as when we had the call (you didn't want to have arguments), I mentioned this to you personally and I would say it again, your perspective would've been highly appreciated there. You noticed others joined the call to chime in their inputs and you could've done the same but decided not do it, but I'll give you at the very least you didn't just up and lie to us and say, you weren't invited so props to you for that.
4.) Now I'm unsure why you made this point about "creators believe that the nightmare changes were due to the Roundtable" but that simply isn't true, no one to my knowledge made this point that were a part of the discussion, the only people I've seen made this take were some non-creators and Edward from Around The Spiral.
5.) Pretty odd take about tournaments. You can apply the same argument for tournaments as you can with Challenge mode in a way. The reason why people no longer do tournaments is because of the tickets being that extra incentive was taken away, same reason advanced players do challenge for the extra rewards (its not just for the challenge). Idk where you got the idea that we would do tournaments even without the tickets, we mentioned that players would just rather do house/Practice PvP, but the way the playerbase is now a days its rare to set up a house PvP party, let alone practice matches. As an ex PvP player I can explain this to you a little further. Tournaments benefited the casual to average player as there isn't much stakes being lost with the exception of placing lower and losing out on some arena tickets, but you still get them anyway, so some actually do it for fun as the extra incentive was there despite placing lower🤯, others did it to practice their skills without having to worry about their "rank/leaderboard" placements being changed.
6.) Deleting comments that disagree with you is a little cringe, you imply about an "echo chamber" as most people in call were "agreeing" with each other, but doing what you do is also essentially the same thing. It is your channel that is true, and you can moderate it as you see fit, but don't act surprised the moment people start criticizing you for it.
All in all decent video, and while we disagree, in the end we want the game to improve, the way we go about it however is just different. And to anyone else reading this, thank you for your time.
Most definitely an English major. Haven't seen this large block of text anywhere else besides college class.
@@waynevanilla Or Armchair Expert
@@waynevanilla believe it or not, EE (Electrical Engineering) major and I am suffering 🫠
Is that a reference to ATS saying he wasn’t invited to the roundtable? Also please if you can actually contact DEVs I need to know what’s going on with archmastery in PvE it isn’t fair that with higher level wizards being in your battle that you’re no longer able to do anything
Contemplating quitting this game tbh, I've been playing for 10 years, but it just feels so dead compared to before..like it's lost the magic. Everything feels so grindy, gatcha/rng crown loot related..idk ..just doesn't feel as fun anymore. Don't like either how they hyped and insinuated the nightmare dungeon would be different than what it really was: a raid. I've always been an average/casual player but tried to always keep up with the best gear, but the changes kingsisle has made have just felt so debilitating. I don't have time and I'd imagine most of the player base as well to constantly spend several hours to do and prepare for things like raids and participate in guild concentrated activities.
Pick a poison. You say that everything feels grindy and gatcha/rng while complaining when they change and introduce new in-game mechanics. Without pushing players outside what they’re used to, it’s always going to feel repetitive (blade stack-aoe). If you have the time to grind for the newest gear, you can allocate some of that to learning a new skill in the game.
@@ed.amame_z I don't have an issue with the new mechanics being in game, and the various creators at the round table said as such. The issue is rather Kingsisle's repeated back against player feedback. It's great there are new advanced combat mechanics and raids, but as well Kingsisle has to admit mass majority of the player base are casual on/off players. There should be better tutorials for each of the mechanics directly in game (such as rhoshambo+gambit conditions), and there shouldn't always be a conflation between pvp and pve. There was no need for archmastery clashing between players in pve or to nerf the dmg cap in pve *in my opinion*. Additionally, although the nightmare is interesting of a concept, I didn't expect the standard mode to be raid-esque as well. I was similarly hoping for something like Darkmoor or Tartarus, not because of "blade stack aoe hit", but rather because of the creative lore, expansiveness, and uniqueness it brought.
i agree with almond, also faeriequeens and some of the other youtuber are so sensitive, because youre just speaking your opinion, even if harshly it was valid (in my opinion)
facts, they cant take constructive criticism or something
Wiz full of crybabies. Almond just spits facts and has helped us all with the new nightmare dungeon and all our deckathalons and raids instead of just crying about it being too hard.
I don’t fall under casual player, but with that being said for someone like me who invested a lot of time into farming, raids, etc. nightmare made me lose interest in this game, I haven’t touched this game since nightmare so if that makes someone like me not want to play the game. I can imagine how a casual player must feel. Apart from the dungeon, the pve damage caps makes farming this gear as pointless as me buying gold from the crown shop. Regardless I have zero interest in coming back to the game & I have warlords, Marshalls in pvp. I have characters in every school, pets made for every scenario.
I for one like to see little W’s for the game. I obviously am an above Casual/ Average player. I do everything but pvp. But even i understand the game cant bow down to every wish i want… I for one do like the challenge aspects of the game. Maybe because i dont want this game to always feel like a pushover. And to genuinely get frustrated over a dungeon was kinda nice. We haven’t had something like that on that scale besides raids. And Wheather a casual player may not like the harder content of the game, i none the less do thing Kingsisle needs to slowly implement low tier challenge modes to help people understand more of the hardest content in the game like raids. Maybe not force the players to do harder stuff but to definitely implement something to the players so challenge mode/pvp mode isnt so dang brand new to them. Thats my main problem wit challenge mode… But i do think this was a step in the right direction TO TEACH THE PLAYER BASE ON CHALLENGE MODES. Thats what i think KI messed up on. If they gonna throw Gambits/ pvp only spells into a casual dungeon that drops world gear for that world(specifically a main questline world) then at least teach the average player on how to use their school gambits that they implemented after Novus? Or was it Lemuria… everyone needs to literally state the problem.. and why its a problem.. no more stupid “well they never listen” well maybe cuz YOUR 🫵🏻 NOT EXPLAINING THE ISSUE AND WHY ITS A ISSUE FOR NOT JUS U MAYBE :)
Also is it just me that has been noticing this but a lot of people bring up “this is a kids game” point when most players are either adults are reaching to that point. To me they bring that point up to give the idea to people that the games content/difficult should be watered down to the blade into the aoe gameplay again which they’ve said they missed the “braindead” aspect. How does the game move on if people have complained the gameplay is the same but when they release something new, people are saying they miss nostalgia.
I just say that because the game is marketed as such and the chat ia heavily filtered in game
@@wesbrown738 but others game such as Pokémon have the E rating and yet it has its complex’s aspects. Even the devs mentioned that they understand their player base are more in the older side of things. And chat being filtered shouldn’t be a problem for people if most games have filters
@@MaplesHD Pokemon is actually an interesting and relevant example I play a lot and I play comp VGC. The Pokemon devs will remove features from highly respected games like heart gold and say "it's because that's to complicated for kids" but Pokemon will also have many things about it not necessarily catered to kids. I bring this up because I think wiz used the "it's a kids game" when it suits them.
@@wesbrown738 yeah that’s the point I’m trying to make on most Rated E games have aspects kids won’t understand but adults do, but most of the times kids won’t even care and move on with their games. Pokémon and Ki acknowledges they have an older player base hence why they add complexed aspects. Ki can do a better job explaining said expects though
Valid video. I do believe pvp needs an overhaul though. Raids and pvp should be separate modes and pvp should not require raid gear (e.g xibalba) to be viable. ATM if you don’t have a 3 or 4 piece xibalba set you don’t stand a chance in the higher ranks
A lot of decent takes but you really can't defend packs ... it's gambling in a "childrens" game
1. Gotta understand the issue between the 2 points I brought up in the video of when they did compare them.
2. I did say in the Pros section that they can add a pity system and went more in depth regarding it.
Yes, thats why people compare wizard101 genshin both have pay to win gatcha systems. Genshin has characters and weapons, wizard101 has spells, spellements, gear, mounts, and pets. But genshin somehow gives more with rewarding achievements/badges and they have a pity system for their loot crate.
Perfect explanation @@Alurazle
Lmao what even happened, all almond said was not everyone is a good content creator... and now all ive seen is insults being thrown at almond?(hypocrits)
All this is just a bunch of tea at the end of the day, crazy how personally they all took you simply disagreeing with them.
Idk, i just see some projection coming from them. Its like some 200 sub channels got so happy about their green name, that the simple words uttered "you're not a content creator" just crushed their lil world.
Cancel culture and just the society being soft in general I guess.
are you negating that he called one of the content creators a donut for their opinions? that’s an insult in itself.
perhaps the opinion they had, lacked so much substance, that it in fact was a non-idea. so a donut accurately describes the thought frequency pattern that the said content creator had imagined; in turn making the opinion that of a hollow thought, a donut.
This is just my opinion though.@@trishapaytaskitchenfloor
I personally don't understand why he cant have an opinion without everyone within the community attacking him. He said what he wanted to say about the entirety of the game, the community, and reality. Why is it that he cant have an opinion? Furthermore, if what he said doesn't apply to you don't take it personally why feel attacked when he wasn't even attacking anyone. At the end of the day there is no reason for anyone to be targeting him as if what he said was harmful or hateful actions. The majority of what I have read and seen on others videos has been significantly more harmful and hateful. Why cant everyone play the game have there opinions and just enjoy wiz for what it is.
@darealalmond I think U missed the point on gold keys. I think it was Richard (Unicorncaller if I recall correctly- IIRC) that was basically complaining about the long ago gold key change that made attaining them way more grindy than back in the old days where they dropped fairly often from, for example, bosses in Drakmoor and a few other places. Now none of them drop keys. And the ways to get them now are mostly quite grindy (like maxing out the rewards line in beastmoon or whatever or using a ton of moonstones to craft them, etc).
As to Liam bringing up PVP gold keys being the easiest way to get them as a semi sarcastic joke since he was saying it was at warlord and basically no one outside HK is consistently warlord status- I don’t think he ever said it was the only way to attain them so I think you misheard the stream on that. I don’t recall anyone on the round table saying PVP was the only way to get gold keys so think U mistook or misheard that.
I liked the stream/round table but also saw it thru the lens of a casual and knowing it was kind of a group vent and talk with some solution and group input (some thought out, some probably just said in the moment so not thought out) as well as getting a feel for several other content creators. I don’t think people were planning on doing homework to go in with well thought-out questions and concerns but nonetheless I felt some of them had great input anyway.
Thank you for all you do for the wiz community! You are truly an elite player and I honestly can’t relate to you. I could never farm 999 dream water or do raids (not even in a Guild) or do the final Wallaru dungeon for 16 hours straight to become the first ever to beat the original release, for example lol, but I don’t really discord or v chat or have comms outside typing in chat with a friend or quester occasionally and just operate at a much much slower and less efficient pace in the game than elites even though I log on many more days than not.
Keep up the great content helping the rest of us.
Gold keys were easier to obtain by grinding and farming bosses over and over. The changes that were made removed grinding for gold keys in favor of earning them while naturally playing the game. Wiz player shave no clue what they want, the same people that say they want less grind are the same people that complain about gold keys.
@@stevenbojilov596 So as far as gold keys I know what I would like. If we returned and reverted it back, I could defeat a Darkmoor boss and collect a gold key in, say, 15-20 minutes with nothing other than a few spells in my deck and team up.
Which method today would I use to get a gold key in, say, an hour (about 400% longer) with nothing to do except spend that hour on a particular acticivity?
@@goodlucking244 Personally, I wouldn't wanna farm darkmoor to get gold keys. I already am done with darkmoor for a while and don't want to have to farm mobs constantly for gold keys. Also its rng so I can just spend an hour and not get a gold key.
I already do beastmoon and pvp, now I can spend the rewards from that on gold keys (if I want).
I already do spiral showcase, amazing I can get a gold key from that.
Personally, I don't wanna grind the same boss for a year to get all my gold keys. I'll just do the daily and suplement my gold keys with beastmoon or smthing if I need more.
Idk you'd think players would be happy when KI removes some of the grind they complain about but then players start complaining for another reason.
@@stevenbojilov596 That is fair. I don’t PVP and don’t do spiral showcase although I do Beastmoon at times and could reroute my hunter’s moonstones toward gold keys but, as I said, it takes a lot of them and a lot of time so a lot of gardening considering we get 3 beastmoon seed plots.
I don’t think KI removed grind by taking out gold key drops from before and replacing it with most current methods, although the membership token thing definitely is a W.
I only had one token though from one month lol. Guess I’ll take my one gold key and try and rotate with three others to maybe get 4 or 5 runs in these darn gold key bosses for spellements, which is another whole level of grind that didn’t use to be there.
@@goodlucking244 Yeah the spellement grind is pretty bad. I think they realized this and are trying to add new key bosses which drop pack gear as well so that you not only get spellements but gear that is actually usuable in PVE and PVP.
I respect that people prefer farming the keys from bosses, but I think the way they have done it now made it a lot more friendly for the average player. Since you get keys naturally from side quests and badges and loyalty.
I mean… I definitely wouldn’t mind getting like 10 crowns per badge 😂
That was my idea LOL
If we had that, everything in the game would be raised in value due to how the loot model is...
they don't need to raise the value due to its a small amount and you can only get a badge once on one character. they give 10 crowns for watching a literal ad in wiz now.@@sdsdsd8600
the loyalty shop gives you keys
Why are people being rude he has some very good points. I feel like a lot of people are just feeling burn out go play another game for a little have some fun play new games take a brake and then come back I did that and it made me love the game more
Almonds ideas are always pretty on point, but an opinion is an opinion, you can agree to disagree. If you take the time to harass him over a 2009 MMORPG then I personally think you might have to seek therapy 😅 just a suggestion. Don't put your panties in a twist.
Also don't agree with the tournaments take, I think there always has to be some incentive to do something in any game or life in general. Tournaments drew in a lot of casuals, was it really so bad that people could stack up tickets? I have played a lot less (on wiz in general) since they removed tickets from tourneys and I know a lot of people are in the same boat. Also yes tourneys are dead because you never get placed, saying "just go do tourneys" Is like saying go to pet derbys
Yeah but their reasoning was they would love to do tournaments even if there was no rewards. If you really do not care about the rewards then what is stopping you from actually doing it?
@@DaRealAlmond im not sure how many people said they would do them regardless of rewards, but even ignoring that point what's stopping me is lack of players doing them so even if I said I'd do it regardless of rewards so few players do them so I never even get placed in a bracket. So are we just never going to change tournaments because a few players said they'd do them regardless of rewards???
@@wesbrown738 The statement based upon the stream was that "hey I wanna do tournaments & I don't care about the rewards!". Genuinely if that's the only reason they cared about them, then just simply do them if you don't care about rewards. Now if you say "Oh I care about tourneys cause the easy tickets and rewards" then its a separate topic, which wasn't talked about on the stream. Of course they have improvements and plans for them down the line (As shown in the video). I critiqued what was said on the steam specifically.
@@DaRealAlmond This statement is true, you can't just you love tournaments and dont care about the rewards BUT then proceed to complain about the rewards being removed.
Just curious where they said they don't care about rewards. I made a list of the topics, ideas, suggestions, etc. for the Devs and what was said regarding Tournaments was: -Want Classic PVP Tourneys and Low-Level PVP with rewards to entice players to come back to PVP, "worth the grind"
-Feel Tourneys will bring a lot of players back to PVP, good way to practice PVP without having your ranking change & can get tickets, mounts, gear, etc.
-Want Tournaments back- Low stakes, Low barrier entry, high rewards "something to play for"@@DaRealAlmond
53:20 In my eyes, you are an outlier within the diluted trash that is wiz content and I respect the effort you put into your channel and videos compared to a majority of other creators in this community. Keep making content and livin it up fr
THIS RIGHT HERE!
I mean... I'd call my self casual. i mean i am just now getting aeon gear. after startting wallaru lol. I just wanted to have some viby fun on a kids game, i mean their audiance grew up and i guess so did their content? But, the whole energy of focusing mainly on pvp and streamlinging early game is kinda throwing me off, its more about the fact for me that they are dissolving early game for late game, which we wouldn't have if we didn't get invested in the early to mid game. It's saccraficed its magic to satisfy the top 5% of the communicty, aka content creators and those who are done with everything, since 1. content creators are all they have for marketing and 2. the money they get are from those at the end game. but even then its not supporting content creators.
This is a very good video , buff storm
I don't understand why some people are crying about someone having an opinion, if you can't take someone who is usually right about these things to have an opinion, then please seek help for your mental health. Almond keep up the good work. I will never understand the need to harass someone for giving an opinion and who brought up great points might I add. These cry babies are clearly uneducated and just need to stop crying a river and to just go mind their business and play the dang game.
Holy cook 🔥
im 2 minutes in and you got a sub for just being real. I like how you feel about it already. Speak your mind yo
i do think tournaments are disabled? ive tried signing up for them at least 20 times in the last few months and never once has a match started, it just refunds me and says your next match will be free
i could very well be the only one in queue for tournaments though lol
@@101wolf This. It's that the que is so dead for them. This guy told me to just go do tournaments for no rewards but he doesn't understand the que is empty so they are dead
Tourneys are dead. It’s not just the rewards taken away, it’s the changes to pvp that make team pvp unplayable and 1v1s in tourneys don’t give you enough time to kill bec this meta has changed so much
@@wesbrown738 yeah sadly thats what i figured, was hoping i was wrong maybe
Does everyone have incidiate almond?
Yeah obviously, didn't you know its a main deck spell now!
Since when?@@DaRealAlmond
@@ShamayimPM Obviously im trolling, plus incindiate has nothing to do with what I talked about in the video.
Because you talked about how easy it is to one turn every nightmare boss and every strat included incidiate, a P2W as you know.@@DaRealAlmond
Not every strat included incindiate, go watch the guide before yapping..@@ShamayimPM
Let em know goat
It’s wild that people are getting on you for having an opinion about the game lol