The Hardest Decision in Phantom Liberty DLC
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Neither of them are the right way to go, and both have their own consequences. It's incredible. I'd never felt more conflicted from a choice in this game, even when I decided how V ends up.
well said, the game doesnt have a good ending, especially in PL. if you are 100% confident in your decision you are coping or werent paying attention. I mean the game spells it out for you - its betrayal either way
@@nothingisawesomeExactly, I have seen so many people defending song endlessly and that her endings is the best, happiest ending. They cant see the bigger picture because shes the new pretty girl. No ending is good, they're both bad. At this point it's just about choosing the one that's the least bad. And sending so mi away in my opinion is the best, not because she deserves it but because the alternative is selling out to corps, Alex dies and you lose everyone. But you're also left with no cure and back to square one, I guess there's just no happy ending in NC
@@AB-wf2jsHonestly I prefer going with Songbird, because even if you can't save V, you can at least save one person from the clutches of Night City, the NUSA, and the thing slowly killing her. Plus, chaining Killing Moon straight into Don't Fear The Reaper is cool as hell
@@negative6442 That's the way I saw it as well. We either cater to the NUSA or a regular person. And going with the NUSA contradicts the whole theme of this game, of opposing corporations
@@negative6442 my thoughts as well, my mind set for it is she had to sacrifice everyone and everything to get her cure so my V when asked who I will call to die with me is going to go with don't fear the reaper and show so mi how it's done.
Siding with Reed turning the game into Cyberpunk Isolation but with loot
lmao it is!
The Cerberus is why I don't play horror games, especially the ones where you can't fight, I got to the point where you actually have to hide until it leaves, and when it did I stayed in my hiding spot,put on "behind the clouds" layed on my side as a ball and just listened all the way through
at least with the loot you can smash adam smasher into atoms
It's against everything when ya side with Reed lol ... I always ended up to betray Reed somehow :D was it killing Song or killing Reed either way Reed ain't gonna live happy life xD
the fact that nobody can really agree on what the best course of action is, especially when it comes to morality, really goes to show just how well CDPR wrote these characters and plot points. i did all endings and i can definitely say that each of them are gut-wrenching in their own ways. such a fantastic DLC
I think her death is the good ending. She’s at peace and doesn’t want to be used by Meyers again. We don’t know what happens to her on the moon either.
There's definitely a lot of interesting considerations that we've all gotta juggle playing through this here, but to me there does seem to somewhat of a consensus that a) giving her to myers is the worst option no matter how you get there, and b) the fact that she betrays and murders so many people (including V) just for the sake of herself and her alone, makes siding with her wholesale and killing Reed a pretty bad moral decision.
I dunno man putting the literal weapon of mass destruction down for good sounds pretty good to me
Best ending is where myers dies
Yes you can leave her to die
Technically, the "best" ending is not saving Myers at the start. Songbird is now free in Dogtown without Myers holding her leash (Hansen is there but she can definitely outplay him easily to either get the neural matrix and flee OR just escape), Reed is alive and never got reactivated, Alex too, Militech/NUSA will be thrown into some disarray so they won't be able to invade any more areas, and Arasaka gets their comeuppance in most of the main game endings.
It's definitely not the best gameplay-wise, but I'd say it's superior to any of the endings in terms of what happens to all of the characters and the world. Songbird is... not very happy though.
"FUCKING MOTHERFUCKING FUCK!!!!"
This is one of the few choices in games that have truly made me pause and make my brain do mental laps around my skull, genuinely wondering what I should choose. This expansion was so good man 😭
Same ! I chose to side with reed because I wanted to save alex, you can’t imagine how shocked I was 🤯
@@miguelacaz Yeah, they 100% did that because a lot of players assumed she would die if you sided with Songbird. Sneaky bastards
Same level with telltale game choices
nah, my was just "cool machinegun with cursed bullets" and then killed her
For me the deciding factor was actually the scene in the clouds where you talk to the AI joytoy. If you talk to the AI/joytoy, which is designed to fulfill your "deepest desires" or whatever, it was just providing emotional support for V, which kinda shows how lonely and desperate V was. Throughout the story we find many allies and friends and meaningful connections, but Songbird, in a very similar situation to V, is surrounded by FIA people and the president herself, who put her in this situation in the first place, and had no one there for her. I felt empathetic, saw the plot twist of her betraying us coming miles away, and saved her anyways. It felt like a beautiful ending to the story.
Let me fix it for u "it felt like a beautiful simping" 😂
@@arshameghtedari5599 hey, ngl that played a part too lmao
Same here dude, same here.
So Mi and V are too similar
Whats cool with that is that you save her and then go on to blow up Arasaka tower anyway
She kinda put herself in that situation but you’re right on everything else
The best part is that both choices gives you completly different paths for the story.
I hope how the dlc was made is how Cyberpunk 2 will be made also, as its honestly gives you an actual choice.
Do we know yet if the new game will be a continuation of this game? Like V's story is basically over, but I can't imagine all new characters being as emotionally impacting as the ones we know now.
@@GracedSeeker763We don't know , but it's possible . Every ending besides suicide and maybe The Tower is basically an open ending . Tbh , I'd love the new cyberpunk to open with the Crystal Palace gig
Not everything needs a sequel. Some are amazing as a one and done
Whether you're on Song's side or Reed's side, we can all agree in this comment section...
The music in the fight afterwards as you escape the stadium is some of the best in the whole game.
Yeah Gate K9 goes really hard. Both this and Contra La Luna sound fantastic.
The music got me questioning all my life choices that led to where I am.
honestly dipping my toe into the Lore behind Myers, seeing and understanding So Mi's history, and knowing just how much of a tool Reed is I will always side with So Mi even if she was betraying you from the get go. So Mi was groomed to be a spy and forced into that line of work since she was 19. then immediately turned into a weapon by Myers and was slowly having her memories eaten away at her by the black wall AI. Myers doesn't see So Mi as a human but a weapon and an evidence brief of her corruption and breaking of international law. Reed will say and believe one thing but the moment Myers snaps her fingers he was change his line of thinking just to accomodate Myers agenda. So Mi deserves to be free from that madness. and playing as V and watching Myers make the biggest fuck up of her life attacking territory that is not owned by the NUSA, failing to get So Mi but still having to deal with the back lash of breaking international law just warms me up way more than just saying fuck you to her face as you deliver So Mi's body to her just for her to use her or extract what ever information that she needs from her body. So Mi had lost her humanity because of the NUSA and Myers. she's a product of a broken system as well as Reed. also Alex deserves her vacation.
Man, Alex does deserve her vacation indeed
I find killing Reed good because it's like giving freedom to him too, freedom from principles and control.
Helping Reed is complicated. Sure, V gets cured, but no one gets personal liberty, even V. Reed and So Mi continue to be personal tools, while V loses his freedom and becomes an ordinary citizen, a nothing with no one near. He loses that freedom he had while being a merc.
Yeah, them actually curing you is a bit of a head scratcher when you see what they usually do to their own people.
Does make you wonder if they purposefully sabotaged the procedure so you could never chrome up again.
@@lonely0nlyto be fair, If you kill So Mi during his ending you do end up achieving the same goal. You free her from that nightmare, by her own request, while Reed ends up questioning the purposes of all he did and moves on
@@lonely0nly Killing Reed or Killing So Mi grants Reed Peace. it takes a few days for Reed to process So Mi's death and he calls V to talk and admits that he's distraught over her death but believes that with her death for the first time is over a decade he feels like he can start a new. also reveals that he was tasked to killing V by the FIA but has no intention of going through with the mission and may not even return to Washington and be forced to be a chair jock. He does blame V for failing the mission and not taking the FIA serieously for not keeping SO mi alive and deliberately killing her but he does seem more at peace with SO mi dead instead of the weight of uncertainty that he carries for years keeping So Mi alive and allowing Myers to have complete control over her. it only worses with time as 2 year passes and loses contact with SO mi because his clearance is lowered with the new recruitment job.
I believed Reed when he said he’d help her get out, I thought it’d be a big win “I don’t have to betray anyone. Songbird might think we’re betraying her, but wait until she wakes up free” only for all hell to break loose, still my favourite ending helping Reed and killing Songbird, I think it’s beautifully tragic that the one person putting survival above all else asked to be put down in the end.
🤨🤨🤨
I think what is special about helping Songbird is that you are showing her that actually trustworthy people exist. That she doesn't have to be so manipulative. That is what NUS made her, they used her as a tool and they made her what she is. By saving Songbird despite betrayal, you make significant change in her outlook.
@@Navhkrin and what does that do for us
I felt the same way.
I also think that's the only ending where Reed tells you that you were right about killing Songbird and he has doubts about going back to work for Myers. In all the other endings he either dies or goes back to work behind a desk and would either hang himself like Johnny says or repeat the same cycle as Songbird with a new recruit. All while living in denial that songbird is better off alive in probably some horrific state than dead. He's even been cut off from seeing/interacting with her so he has no clue what they're doing to her.
At least in this ending Reed seems to have a chance to move on with his life and Songbird doesn't get experimented/abused by Myers or Mr Blue Eyes. Plus with Songbirds death the black wall stuff is safe and you've averted the risk of another war kicking off.
If you care about good gameplay and rewards, DEFINITELY side with Reed. You get a badass Kurt Hansen bossfight (with his weapons), insane Maxtac bossfight, one of the best horror missions in a game I've ever seen, and blackwall cyberdeck/SMG. Totally worth it
Very appropriate for the story too. If you're willing to sell out everyone, including the terminally ill victim of the government who is in an even worse situation than V, then you get your rewards. You get your pretty little guns and cyberdecks and Iconic weapons. You get your little cure. But you're an objectively scummy person, willing to sell out anyone and willing to throw away everyone in your life just so you can keep breathing a little longer. As a guy who has been terminally ill from cancer, it's really well done. Like Mike Pondsmith (IIRC) has said, "you can't save the world, you can only save yourself." Doing the King of Pentacles ending on a Corpo felt so appropriate when I ran thru it. Siding with Reed is so much the wrong choice that Reed himself will go out of his way to tell you that you both made the wrong decision multiple times, but you DID still save yourself. Save your own life. But... you also became an absolute nobody in the process. You threw away everything Jackie died for. It's the evil ending, but you benefit from it so much that its hard to see yourself as the villain. Sure, Songbird goes right back to being a NUSA slave, a weapon, and Reed gets put behind a desk and forgotten about. Sure, Panam never wants to talk to you again and the only person willing to stay in touch with you is a sellout corpo ripperdoc, but you lived. That's enough, right?
Absolutely not worth it from a storytelling, narrative, morality standpoint. But sure, worth it from a "wow i get toys and fights :D" standpoint.
B-but Alex :(
@@sadgiraffe6669 A small price to pay for salvation.
I mean talking about good gameplay , the songbird route has good gameplay too. Thrashing Myers' army using the power of the Blackwall while carrying a dying So Mi , can't get better than that
Alright, look. If the choice wasn’t about loot, Songbird all the way. But siding with her doesn’t give me Hansen’s knife, or the Blackwall cyberdeck
Siding with Reed also gives you an easy way to get the MaxTac Mantis Blades if you pick the right Netrunner for the job.
While Siding with Song gives you the Quantum Tuner and Reed's Pistol, but both are not as cool as the Quantum Tuner is just too similar to Axolotl for what it does and a Pistol don't got shit on an SMG infused with Blackwall.
@@monkeycat6408whos the right netrunner?
@@dfprod. probaly the one in kabuki market, the same one from the other choice
*console commands go brr* 😂
@@dfprod. The one that Hands sends you to if you pay him. Agree to the condition that you'll give them the info and after you finish the last main quest, Hands will later call you that he sent a gift to your apartment. The gift are the Blades
I feel like So Mi grew to care about V on a personal level by the end, which is why she left the choice of her fate in V's hands in the eleventh hour. It's sad as hell because she was legally declared dead at 19 (and there's a grave for her in NYC that she visited once with Reed and Alex) when she joined the FIA. She was blackmailed into it after initially refusing Reed's recruitment; the FIA told her NetWatch that would kill not just her but everyone close to her as well unless she was protected by the government. So, ultimately, she really didn't have a choice in the matter at all. Most of her adult life was spent being Myer's right hand and it goes to show where she learned to manipulate. She learned from the best. So Mi didn't have anyone she could rely on until she took a chance with V. Her options were severely limited and she was running out of time. V has made their fair share of poor choices, too, with the heist being one of them. I think So Mi is villainized too much-even more than Kurt, a literal criminal warlord. Alas, nobody is a saint in Cyberpunk 2077. I think we can all collectively say that Myers is a c*nt though and didn't deserve how So Mi didn't want to leave her for dead in Dogtown despite everything.
Went with Songbird at first, feeling for her despite her not being honest and low-key manipulating V. But I wanted to help her be free. But the last lie, on the train, when she reveals she can't save us both, that was too much. So yeah i gave her to Reed for the cure. A sad ending... And you know what, if she had been honest from the start, i would have put her on that shuttle... The moment the credits hit and Dawid Podsiadło's song started playing was a heavy one.
I feel so lost and betrayed after her confession, all the shit we do and it all matters to nothing and she still hoped I would support her. She and the rest of NUS can damn burn.
I mean, this is NC, I figured she was lying about the cure from the start.
Same
"Low key manipulating"
Bro. The first thing she did when she contacted you was dangling that cure in front of you. She's a liar and manipulator from the start.
Meanwhile Reed has questionable bosses but has been upfront from the start.
Dude when that song played and the credits rolled I was so…. I was like “Oh shit, it’s over for good huh? Well if I thought this story had a happy ending, I was naive and wasn’t paying attention.” But that song FR FR hits way hard. Reminds me of Skyfall by Adele
The reason I was swayed to her side was the fact that she had no one to rely on her whole life. The fact that she had been betrayed again and again. I couldn’t let her down, not when V was her final, only hope.
Song's Boyfriend: "Am I a joke to you?"
simp, i was one too.
@@mindo1899 I’m ace, I related to the feeling of hopelessness she had
@@mindo1899 "I felt bad for the girl who was forcibly recruited by the government as a teenager and forced into breaching the most dangerous entity/concept in all of human history, which left her with a terminal illness no one can fix. I felt bad for the woman who is dying because she is a victim of manipulative, evil people and who has been controlled by Myers with absolutely no oversight for the last seven years since Reed was let go. Just because Songbird betrayed me and my trust doesn't mean I have to stoop as low as her, doesn't mean I don't see why she did it."
'lol simp'
I was with her unit her plan of escaping the stadium by massacring the entire stadium. At that point, I couldnt side with her.
I hoped so much for an ending where the Blackwall completely takes over and nukes the city.
3 years later as we still can't burn the city, smh my head.
@@TheKnightDrag0n WAKE DF UP SAMURAI
@@ryanmccall5330WE GOT A CITY TO BURN
I mean that is where one of the base endings is going for. I think CP77 Sequel is going to be ultra-amazing.
I think that and the 5th corpo war are the future of Cyberpunk
Man this game had me frustrated with the decision of which way to go. I've never had that happen before so it was well written imo.
Either option your choice but keep in mind so mi is a mirror reflection of your character all the bodies that v buried ain’t no joke either. She rad real with you to the end. Even gained Johnny respect 💀🔥
I don't feel bad about killing Reed, thats the way he wanted to go out and thats the way he wouldve gone out on his current path. Only thing different is he wouldve likely been killed by a relative nobody and not a night city legend like V
yeah but post PL showed that siding with Reed resulted in him to likely live a relatively peaceful life for the rest of his days, maybe you'd see it differently but it shows that V is a positive effect to whoever he chooses to help with Reed finally being rewarded with basically an early retirement, and after all he's been through I think he deserves that break
@@yungshuro9556this as known at the phantom liberty paradox, there is no right answer, but everyone is wrong
he prob didnt live a very peaceful life. His beliefs were all a cope for his actions, he doesn't have songbird anymore to rely on for justification. He has nothing, hence why Johnny thought he would prob kill himself. @@yungshuro9556
@@nathanfaith1341Damn, that is a paradox 😮
@@yungshuro9556idk cause he does admit he’s a bugging feeling in him about the whole situation and it seems no matter what we tell him it doesn’t go away. Johnny notes that this feeling will eventually grow and cause reed to kill himself now it could be Johnny just being too extreme but I think he’s got a point cause has never seemed bother about his past not even when the nusa sold him out to arasaka
Mouth-watering editing work. Nice
Makes it extra hard when even johnny doesn't know what choice to make
Do you want a cooler followup quest(I shat myself after seeing how fast that thing could go), 5 iconics, a new ending(true depression) and a half life crowbar or do you want to repeat Edgerunners, get a stick, a nice pistol ig and get a cyberware you proly can't use cause it requires too much cyber capacity?
the ending where you betray so mi hurt, it was crazy seeing how much V lost and became another face in the crowd
I betrayed Songbird because she played V like a god damn fiddle.
THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE 😡😡😡
I betrayed Reed because killing the twins (although justified) was something he should have shared since the start. It implied he didn’t trust me and therefore who knows what does he has in store for me?
@@cobra8888my thoughts exactly
@@cobra8888the twins werent innocent people either, when i read Aurore’s characteristics and history from Firestarter mission, i stopped feeling bad about that.
Man I had to pause my game and actually think about it I felt so bad for songbird but Idris is ma boy I’ll play through it again anyway
This is really well done lol
This is edited really well
I knew this decision was ultimately coming and I was very torn going into this mission but honestly as soon as Reed and Alex dropped the twins, that's how I made my decision. Overall just sympathized more with Songbird more than I ever did with Reed or Alex. Wasn't even surprised when I learned she'd lied about the cure. She was just a desperate as V and frankly I knew this was how it was going to be anyways. No way Song and V both got a happy ending. Wrong city, wrong people.
I played PL all the way through first, making my own choices without any spoilers of what it could lead to, based on my gut instinct : I chose to help Reed, and at the end to give Song what she wants (aka not be a puppet for Myers).
After doing the other endings, I would re-do all those choices all over again.
Songbird, as much as her life is a fuckin mess and she doesn't deserve what happened to her, decided to put everyone's life at risk : all the flight crew on space force one, then Reed, then you. She doesn't care, or if she does you know she convinced herself that it was necessary. She comes to you with that "I can help you" thing knowing full well, from the begenning that she has no intentions of helping you. And if you help her, you happen to cross the path of Reed, which out of all the people living in NC/DT is one that never lied to you, and that genuinely wanted to help songbird. Reed didn't deserve to die, he too was used by the NUSA, and quite techically was a pawn that got sacrificed the moment he outlived his usefulness to Myers (not even mentionning the fact that all those NUSA operatives in the space port died in acute pain and agony through the blackwall. I know it was kill or be killed, but that doesn't mean that blowing up a fuckin starport terminal was the way to go.
My only regret in this was to Alex. She didn't deserve to be gutted by Hansen the way she did, but honestly, I blame that on Songbird, and the lack of communication that Reed and Songbird has, or rather the lack of trust that Songbird has towards you and Reed. Even if she's "showing her trust" in one quest, that doesn't stop her from no believeing you that Reed genuinely want to help her.
I agree with you 1000%
did the same choices. made the end credits hit all the harder watching reed walk off into the badlands
She didn't know that there's only one instance of the cure from the beginning. Besides, V puts a lot of people on the line for survival as well. Your argumentation is sound, though.
@@ChadVulpes She didnt know? LMAOOOO she knew from the start dude. thats the whole plot of the DLC, that she could hired you as a merc "hey i heard you are the best merc in night city, i have a problem and im gonna pay you to back me up in any time" but no, she manipulates you with the most precious thing for anyone, out lives. She knew from the start, and if you didnt realize that you prob should play the dlc again and you will see it.
@@Neyenn I know she manipulated events to make the story happen, but I didn't see any evidence that she knew she can't help V. How do you know that?
I think way too many people give So Mi a bad rep. To be granted she manipulated literally everybody but in her very last moments she has a great character moment and moves past that. While both of you are on the train she realizes that you're basically her only friend and decides for once to truly be honest with someone and that's by telling you straight up that she never planned on saving your life from the start and you know what I respect that. She could've sealed her lips for 5 more minutes and gotten away with it all but she didn't. Plus knowing what the NUSA did to her I don't blame her for the way that she is. Ultimately I decided to send her to the moon cause fuck Myers.
This is what I’m saying. People act like she’s the only character who has done some shady things to stay alive, like V hasn’t done the same things. But hey, it’s only cool when V does it, right?
Wish there was on option to zero her right there but as always the game fucked me sideways.
Only picked her since giving a walking weapon to NUSA felt like a shitass decision and all I got in return is her telling me "Ahah, btw remember how I fucked everyone over? Ye, I fucked you over too OwO, now haul my ass to the space shuttle".
Besides that, she also takes the magical thingy with a rogue AI beyond the black wall with her, although it sounds hella dangerous from what I heard in Millitech bunker. If it ain't saving my monkey butt then it has no right to exist. But alas, you cannot destroy it either. At least they allowed me to kill Reed, finally.
Bad take, V has never killed anyone outside of "the game" and has not manipulated anyone or lied to in a way that put them in much worse situation due to their lies. If anyone puts their neck put for V, it's always with V being straight with them and the other party agreeing to it.
@@Magnus8434yeah I couldn’t forgive Songbird for lying at the end…the when you ask her what am I supposed to do now in the train she’s just like…‘what you’ve been doing…you’ll find something’ like bitch wtf?
@@Magnus8434uhhhh my V killed 8 people at a crosswalk on his way to buy a new sports car yesterday, so....
But, jokes aside, Cyberpunk does an amazing job walking the ludonarrative dissonance line. You really don't need to kill very many people in this game, shooting them in the leg and such.
imo helping reed is better since story wise: you betray just one person, unlike when you help songbird, killing like half the NUSA special agents including Reed; and gameplay wise because is longer, more fun and you get a cool gun or a talking cyberdeck as a bonus
Killing the black ops is made slightly easier by the whole shooting up an airport bit
storywise it is better to screw a corp, which NUSA is. Just remember, NUSA is just Millitech masquerading as a country. Reed is unsaveable, I prefer saving Alex that wants out than Reed that will be a corpo rat up until his death no matter how much they wrong him.
Killing NUSA isn't a bad thing though. It aligns better with the whole "We have a city to burn" setting
@@eurongreyjoy2 yeah idk man i felt imense satifaction while absolutly decimating the best trained soldiers in America all on my lonesome
Nusa are feds not humans. So its worth it.
I helped her all the way through until she confessed she was lying on the Maglev. I then realize she was just trying to use everyone for her own benefits, she knows the cure can be only used once since beginning but still ask V to help her that’s just straight up lying. Turn her to Reed afterwards
The only reason V helping her this whole time was because V was promised with the cure, but now you telling me I should help you because you’re dying so it’s justified this whole process of utilizing everyone? V was there with Song at her worst time and she literally said she’ll be completely honest with V that’s like another lie
Remember though, she could have kept lying to you until she was on the moon, but she chose to tell you the truth. Everybody was lying, everyone is desperate to survive, but she willingly put her life in your hands. No way I was giving her up at that point, cure or no cure.
funnily, I always thought she was lying from the start, was even hoping there was a dialogue option for it, or maybe just V staying silent, maybe with some extra animations, like caressing songbird's face or shoulder, or say something like "Somehow I knew. Just hoped it weren't so."
Yep same here, I always knew there was going to be another twist because it’s clear she was hiding things anytime she was pressed about anything. I think the best ending is saving V or saving songbird before going with Panam at the end
@@FreeBandz658 Letting her die in the core was the most emotionally poignant IMO
@@chrispekel5709 agreed, stop Myers using her for the rest of her life but Myers will find a way regardless
My corpo V was originally going to side with NUSA, but I was very suspicious of President Myers. I know the type of man Reed is loyal to a fault and very much believes the ends justify the means. That suits his role. Plus, the prospect of going to space is very attractive, which is why My V went with the dont fear the reaper ending it feels like the cannon way the story ends to me because of the interaction with Mr Blue eyes. Knowing Songbird is free makes things feel better overall, tho it's a stab to the ribs of my favorite character, Goro Takemura😢 wish the arasaka boardroom mission would be still playable because that would had been the ending I chosen before phantom liberty.
The trouble is...Reed means well but his path leads to an unfulfilling life where V loses all the qualities that makes V "V." Songbird, on the other hand, shows that she lies to you every second throughout her partnership...and towards the very end, but you feel sorry for her and help her escape. Either way, those two choices forces you to swallow the consequences of your actions. Live an unremarkable, isolated life or give that chance to Songbird in hopes you'll find another way.
Well, you do find another way
My first DLC playthrough I sided with Song. Can't wait to do the other option next.
I decided that my initial play through was like my cannon play through, so I sat there thinking about which decision I wanted to make for probably 15 minutes before I decided which way I wanted to go.
Alex killing Hansen is badass, at least Alex survives in this ending, she deserves it more than Reed lol
Reed entirely believed in his bullshit and was set in his ways. Alex was at least honest in saying she only did it for the money.
@@TerminatorZXY Reed was honest by your own admission.......
No one can know the truth fully ever, they can only do their best and thats wat Reed did. Alex while cool was only in it for money, thats worse to me. At least someone is trying to do good.
@@httohotwhat if they believe in the wrong thing
Third Reich soldiers were just following orders too
And that excuse didn't work for them
And it doesn't work for Reed
And yes NUSA is in fact fasict, Myers is hellbent on reuniting Americans
While also having a heavy hand in the private sector (Militech, read: Volkswagen)
I actually had to pause my game for about 5 minutes because I couldn’t decide who to help. All in all, helping Songbird SEEMS right, but the fact that all those people die in the stadium makes it seem less so. Also, from a gameplay perspective, helping reed is easily the choice here, the missions following firestarter are like 5x as enjoyable as the Songbird path.
There is only one mission following it, it's a shorter path than the Reed path of fighting Maxtac and going underground (which I liked just as much as the space port)
Ikr like wtf this was so hard I spent hours contemplating and even asked other people what to do lol
weapon wise it's debatable since you get solomon's weapon or 3 weapons from the boss of dogtown, the optional rogue ai smg is good but the cyberdeck is very slow the cooldown cyberware is just axolotl but cheaper and a bit worse depending on the encounter duration.
The issue with not going with songbird is that you dont get the best surprise stealth mission since Thief 3
i was so conflicted that i got out a quarter and left it to fate
I think I sat there and stared at the screen for a solid 10 minutes
True, i was like "if i pick so mi, i get happy ending but i'll miss the blackwall qh" so i made a new save with sandy build and picked so mi that time
WHen that choice popped up it said "Help". Now that it says "Betray" it feels like a weight falls on you to make a choice. I had to pause the game and weigh the pros and cons of each choice. I chose to help So Mi but in my second playthrough I'm help Reed since choosing So Mi locks me out of another 5+ hours of content. But the Lunarport mission was awesome. I love this game it feels different each time I play.
After very careful and thorough consideration, I have come to the conclusion that there is no right choice. There never fuckin was. Song and Reed were mere pawns. Both very complicated characters who acted the way the world made them. Both controlled by 2 tyrants (Myers and Hansen). Who you side with is honestly understandable which is why this is my favorite video game story of the year. Maybe the whole decade but idk
If it makes you feel any better, Songbird is boned from the beginning. There's no freedom on the Moon, only whatever blue eyes has planned for her.
The mission is just perfect, the ambiance, the music, the story, none of the choices are the right one
This one part stopped me in my tracks for a good 5 mins at least. Such incredible writing and construction of a situation where there truly is no right answer. My gut sided with Reed because I knew I trusted him. Immediately regretted my decision and tried Songbird, also immediately regretted lol. I played through both (honoring Songbird's wishes in each) and was equally emotionally conflicted and comforted for very different reasons by their endings. It is pure tragic art performed by the devs and voice actors. I am continuously surprised and blown away by this game and its sheer immersion. Possibly one of my favorite games/pieces of art ever.
To me it felt like Songbird was in a way, being manipulated by the AI. She seemed all too desperate to want to escape and run, and I got the vibe that's exactly what the AI would have wanted; to start infecting whatever other systems it could whilst safe from the NUSA. Also, despite her previously betraying Reed he clarified that he had no ill-feelings, and genuinely wanted to help leading up to this moment. So the decision was easy for me to side with Reed, and her instant change in demeanour when she realised only exposed the manipulation she began to sow last minute.
It's interesting if that's true, as V and her mirror each other. V begins to take on the persona of Johnny which always culminates in taking down the Tower again
I played it both ways and it seems obvious that CDPR intended the player to side with Reed. If you side with So Mi, Alex will kill Hansen which is a really anticlimactic way to wrap up the main villain, and then Alex disappears. And the rest of the game is a generic shootemup in an airport, and So Mi admits her lie to V ruining any goodwill left.
Whereas if you side with Reed, the Blackwall takes over So Mi and kidnaps her, you get to fight Hansen and kill him, Alex is killed by Hansen in a truly gruesome way, Reed and you have to hunt down So Mi, take down Max Tac, infiltrate a secret abandoned Militech base and run and hide from a spider robot and the Blackwall AI that is using So Mi as a central processor in an AI core, and ypu get to explore and see So Mi's past. It's much bigger and pays off the whole DLC and all the characters in a bigger way. Sure the ending of this route isnt happy, but you can free So Mi from her enslavement in a way and art with Reed on good terms.
There is no good ending with Myers. In both paths she is revealed to be a heartless vindictive snake. My biggest regret is V doesn't get to kill Myers.
Good ending with Myers is letting Songbird live with all the secrets, becoming a clear political threat to her.
I’m not so sure about that. I think CDPR intended for the player to side with Songbird…Mr Blue Eyes appears in the killing moon quest-line while V and Songbird hop on the train, he never just drops by for any reason.
Songbird admits it was me blue who's basically funding her trip if you ask her the right questions at the airport. Which makes the don't fear the reaper ending even better when he hires you for the gig on the crystal palace promising to make good on his promise whatever that may be.
The spaceport sequence is pretty cool though (maybe cause I wasn't using any guns as they are pathetic and all around useless even on hard).
I dont think the CDPR intented to, but I do think that CDPR rewarded players for being smart enough to side with Reed, giving them a way better ending path overall (IMO). And in the other hand, punishing the players that choose Songbird, giving them a ending path with less content, and imo, way way less fun. Even if you like Songbird, you learn way more about her on Reeds path than helping her. So yeah CDPR rewarded players for being smart enough wich im glad.
Help songbird just for the blackwall daemon wiping part, those glitched screams are brutal
man, I'm gonna say nothing but I'm glad I picked these in the order that I did em in lol. you learn things in the endgame, man I wish there was a third option.
thing that makes me mad about this expansion is that they mastered first person story telling and won't be doing any more for a long time
What do you mean "won't be doing any more for a long time"? They are making new game in the series. It's long before it releases, but they are doing it.
It was hard at the time but with hindsight? Songbird can go rot.
Spoilers
She knew the cure was a single use. V had no chance at the start of the plan.
In fact, would’ve actually lost precious time finding an actual cure.
Songbird also fucked a lot of people who had nothing to do with her plan.
Especially when you escape through the stadium.
She used Blackwall protocols to connect to the Relic and essentially turned it into a ticking time bomb.
V and the world is worse off because of her.
Couldn’t call Reed fast enough.
Songbird is one of the worst and most manipulative people in the whole game and people don't see past her emotional manipulation & pretty face and think she's worth helping. She betrays every single person in the story and instantly tries to kill you with no hesitation as soon as you say no to her. She never wanted to help you and drags along a dying merc to their potential death because she wants to keep living for some unknown purpose
"She wants to keep living for some unknown purpose"
Yeah, I i guess V wants to keep living for some unknown purpose too?
To be fair, she didn't know the cure is single-use straight away.
really you guys would all be corpo slaves in that universe... songbird is like us and by helping her even after the lies is bought to light we break the cycle of betrayal and evil and show her the light of hope and it is even worse siding with reed and myers who are just straight up undilluted evil(reed is basically THE devil here cuz he is a husk of person who looks sympathetic at the surface but only purpose is to bring evil to the world by obeying myers
@@galahadgalaaz2568 To be honest, ideology was the last reason on my list. Admittedly, the NUSA is a gov - they always do more damage than any single individual ever could. Just like corpos.
For me primarily, it was that she needed help as much as V does. Difference is, V is a (potential) Night City Legend capable of finding their own way. For my moral compass, it just worked perfectly.
However, it's a shame she didn't tell the truth sooner. If her story went on after the ending, I would think twice before helping her again. Just like when Johnny betrays V's trust by going on a bender after taking over the body for the first time.
first blind playthroughhad me on the pause menu contemplating for a long time...
I was about to help Songbird up until she mentioned hundreds of innocent people were going to die during the escape. If you confront her about it, she even says they’re dying so V and Songbird can live. I switched up on the spot. My V might be the grim reaper for corpos and gangs, but never civilians. And to hear her callously dismiss killing innocents just to save herself proved to me that she’s too far gone. Finding out later that she still betrays you even if you do help her just means she’s untrustworthy and not worth saving.
what about the airport...
...Yet Reed/Myers kill even more to capture you and innocents die anyway if you side with Reed.
the people on stadium die in both choices, but the spaceport mission is worse because FIA shoots a bunch of civilians, maintenance employee and guards
Yea you mean like you do at arasaka?
Even if civilians die in both cases, you made a choice that could potentially help avoid it, instead of just letting it happen. The actual consequences were outside of your reasonable control and prediction.
I find it extremely interesting that a lot of people choose song bird. I saw it as she’s already taken by the Black Wall and she herself is a major threat to everyone. And the loot you get betraying her also indicates the Black Wall is up to something.
She's aesthetically and ethnically designed to appeal to a wide range of young males for a reason...
Attractiveness tend to blind people from making the right choices. CDPR knows what they are doing.
Judy and Panam are both massively flawed characters yet most of the conversation surrounding them is how hot they are.
I went with her because I felt bad for her. I didn't want her to go to jail for the rest of her life or die. But after she betrayed V (me), I handed her over to Reed. At that point I stopped feeling sorry for her, bitch deserved everything she went through.
Bcs they probably learned the whole story and found out that NUSA is the villain of the DLC not So Mi...
@@dusty3328NUSA being evil doesn’t change the fact So Mi lied to you and never actually intended to help you
anyone know what the OST is during this part? so i can use it for a video edit or stressful arma op lmao
Even after Songbird revealed to me there isn’t a cure for both of us, I couldn’t give her to Reed and do whatever the NUSA and Myers wanted to do with her. Basically making her slave for their selfish ideals and make her into something not human. She might have fucked me over, but I won’t let a Corp fuck over another being if I can help it
Songbird lied and manipulated you at every step, constantly asking if you trust her while attempting to create an artificial sense of loyalty between you. She betrays you the moment you believe her and relentlessly brow beats you with your betrayal of her 'trust' should you decline to be taken advantage by her. There is no simp victory here. Judging Reed for his profession is just effete nihilism. The guy displays none of the bad faith So Mi clings to the entire DLC. There is only one just, ethical, and moral outcome and that is to kill her yourself that she does not escape consequence but is not debased in extremis by the NUSA or Blackwall AI.
Songbird lied and manipulated you.
Reed manipulated you by giving you half-truths (but no lies)
Myers used everyone as pawns.
You aren't choosing between honesty and manipulation; you are picking your poison. And best ending is the one that gives Myers biggest middle finger.
@@Navhkrin Reed did no such thing. He showed up, did the job he was asked to do and revealed himself progressively as your relationship deepened. it's not remotely similar and literally anyone who ever legitimately required a security clearance for the performance of their duties would tell you the same thing; that he revealed as much as he did about his past interactions is surprising. So Mi, at every step was bad faith, Reed was not, and Myers is a soulless predator.
@@Navhkrin they all lied and ppl died, where is my pick hansen option
@@sillylittlesheepjax6009 How did reed lie again?
@@project.jericho See? they dont know. they just wanna say that reed lied to fight the idea of songbird being such an horrible human being, trynna make excuses for her behavior.
I'm happy to see this comment section and the internet at large is actually pretty 50/50 on who to side with, they've actually managed to make a truly no win no right option choice that hasn't yet devolved into there being a truly right one.
I finished PL last night. I chose to go with Songbird. Reed is a soldier before he’s a friend. If it comes down to saving Song or following orders, he’ll follow his orders. The tipping point for me was learning that Militech was working on a Soulkiller of their own. If Rosiland has access to a soulkiller like weapon she will use it on Songbird. I just can’t let that happen. Not to someone I can save. (Ps I haven’t done any other endings so I can’t confirm any of those suspicions yet)
Hey at least we get the second most fire combat track next to the rebel Path in the game
While I find Songbirds situation sad, I side with Reed. He is lost in his duties (staying loyal to NUSA while clearly hating on Myers and therefore on the NUSA since she IS NUSA, even if he does not think about it like that (or at least big part of it) ), but has been an honest guy from the start. Not to mention he seems to genuinely care about V enough to help you, which can be seen in the new ending. It is obvious that he does care for Songbird a lot, she is like his daughter. Siding with him keeps her alive depending on how you go about it. Sure, she becomes Myers "lab rat" once again but as Reed said... at least she lives. Plus who knows... she might get her chance to live a normal life after some time, with the help of some A.I. replacing her skills (or just having biotechnica (I think it was them) cloning tech clone her with the abilities (Reed making it his mission to have So Mi free or something...) . There are numerous A.I. out there so I doubt that something huge like NUSA would not be able to find some sort of replacement for So Mi with the help of Reed vouching for her silence or some shit like that. Not to mention one last thing... while she may become an actual friend of V and genuinely caring for him (like V is for her or rather I was (since it depends on how you go about it) as a friend or whatever else... the moment in this mission after you choose to side with Reed, shows you more than enough. She did not care much about anyone else other than herself there. She straight up tries to light V up right away without a second thought. Again... who knows what would have happened to the relationship if this shit did not happen... or rather did but with it being panned out differently (since it is the reason V meets Reed, So Mi, Alex, Aurore, Aymeric and many more after all)
I LOVE THIS GAME SO MUCH. Already hyped for 2nd installment of Cyberpunk, whenever it comes.
She 100% has no chance at a normal life if you give her to Myers. Reed only says that because he’s lying to himself, Myers doesn’t care one bit how So Mi or Reed feel, the Orbital Air scenes with Myers make it very obvious. Only thing Myers cares about it more power and sustaining it, she’s nothing but a corp personified.
Only happy ending is breaking the cycle of betrayals by sending So Mi to the moon despite her wronging you. Reed will die but it’s better for him to die believing he was protecting Song than to live out his days depressed knowing he ruined her life.
@@puccimane1017
Either that or killing her works too
Reed is a flawed man who has resorted to believing his own lies to cope. In every ending where he lives he ends up hating what he's become and hating the decisions he had to make.
I will always put Songbird on that shuttle.
Always.
hmm if you side with reed, and kill songbird he’ll realize it’s for the better eventually and acknowledge that v did the right thing in the end
Lol putting her on the shuttle puts her in the clutches of Mr blue eyes and the rogue ais, one of the worst fates for her. Songbird does not know what's good for her own sake. She's also a much worse person than Reed and continually stabs EVERYONE in the back the whole story, she doesn't deserve your pity especially after sacrificing hundreds of lives to save her own and she is totally detached from morality by the end
spoiler : when reed offed the 2 netrunner twins in cold blood my decision was clear, i will not side with this psycho.
IMO its an oversimplification of Reed and the ending where you side with reed then mercy kill songbird he actually receives a new outlook on life when you meet up with him. And its not like Songbird isn't flawed either. Dragging V, a dying man, into her escapade with a lure of being saved only for that never to be part of her plan.
What's interesting about phantom liberty is out of the 4 main ending routes for it, none of them are even remotely perfect or good. Each of them has their flaws and consequences.
@@sun0369 It was super obvious going into the mission that that was the only way to keep the top secret mission secure, I was surprised they even bothered to say they were going to kidnap them. You kill so many people without any qualms in the story so it was a strange when the game tried to make a big deal out of them dying seeing as V is well aware of the stakes and how the real world operates
sorry Songbird, I want that Militech Canto cyberdeck.
yeah it's either choose the right choice but have to go through that fucking cerberus mission again or choose songbird
The trailer clearly gave me an indication of a "Don't Trust Anybody" type of feel. Clearly everybody has an agenda in there. So I went with the lesser evil (Send So Mi to the moon). The 1st red flag is when Myers obliterate the 2 neighbours (they died from the get go or it's been taken care of). The 2nd red flag is that she chewed Reed for his failures despite the dude trying all his best to be loyal to her. The 3rd red flag is she literally gave the orders to obliterate every guard on the Spaceport. So do you really want to give a WMD to Rosalind or you help a seriously incapacitated terrorist to escape? Alex also warned us about who to trust and in the end I decided to save her as well.
betraying songbird feels more canon because you get the Hansen fight, MaxTac fight, the Alien Isolation level, and the wonderful apartment scene. all you get when betraying reed is a bunch of combat and stealth arenas
The airport level and the Blackwall powers are way better tho
@@Dr.Yakub22I think both routes are quite well done
@@Dr.Yakub22 "blackwall powers" setpiece lasts exactly 2 minutes, hardly worth it
@@Dr.Yakub22ong that shit was crazy
I wasn't expecting the hide & seek with a rogue AI lol
i fr sat there for like 4 minutes
or hear me out.... side with no one. i might be dying but by god am i gonna bring everyone with me
First time try to save songbird, but after her final revelation in train call Reed immediately
I always play this game being totally immerged. I chose on my first play to side with somi. I've been scared as hell for her life since the start of the quest from the end. I felt like she wasn't saying everything to me, but i wanted to save her AND save my V. I wasn't prepared for the moment she said she couldn't save us, i felt betrayed and talked irl out loud "damn somi...".
But... As cringe as it sounds, i felt exactly like all the times i got really betrayed, and felt the same as one of my recent... Big betrayal. So, because I'm becoming more immune to this and because i repsected the will of somi to survive, i chose to save her. I hesitated a lot, but that's the path i was willing to take. Yes, i was stupid doing this, being so naive and betrayed, yet helping her. But it was on my conviction that she has the "right" to live. And i promised her.
But when reed appeared to stop me... Fuck, i felt so conflicted, because i like Reed a lot. Strangely, i feel really close to him, i feel like i understand him a lot.. Thats odd
And.. I tried so hard to convince him to stop, i tried to keep him safe, even when he proposed me to give songbird back and take the medicine, i hesitated like never before but somi had the right to live and reed had the right to die in his conviction, to be finally free from his incoming depression.
I killed him
And fuck i know that's cringe, but i really cried, then i cried when i put somi in the spaceship, because even V was saying that he wanted to go to, to be free like her and when i saw that space ship going to the moon with songbird inside, i really felt a lot of confort in my heart. That wasn't the most rational decision. But that definitely was the one that was the most aligned with my convictions.
The day after when i heard Myers and powerfull beings weren't gonna let this story slide, i was like "yeah, go fucking find me, am gonna fire the shit of your azz myself"
And knowing Alex left in a paradisiac city in good terms with us, and that somi succeded to survivre from her operation, made me really happy, yet strangely nostalgic
Know, i quit dogtown, with Reed's weapon as my main, in his memory, knowing that i took the best decision according to my feelings.
Same
simp
@@user-sv8nf1ve9m simp no. 2
For me, i already felt like some bs was gonna happen, since this is in the middle of the story. However i sided with her too and never really cared because i just wanted to see her fly free. A terribly irrational decision, especially when she was willing to sacrifice the ppl in the stadium. However either choice seems to end up with civilians being killed anyways idk. I wouldnt have felt right betraying her final wish when i had the opportunity.
Lmao stockholm syndrome ending.
I just hope you are not so naive IRL. :(
Siding with Reed is the best because you get two sick nasty crafting specs for blackwall iconics but kill songbird so she isnt trapped as NUSA's slave, Reed will say you're right in the end
Siding with song makes more sense on 2nd playthrough once you witnessed her whole backstory
I like this take
The fact she asks you to kill her in the Reed route should be obvious she just wants the pain to end
in my opinion sending somi to the moon and honor her death wish are the two best ending of 4 endings.
I betrayed reed after what he did to twins
Reed was since the beginning just a marionette, you could tell by the fact that he was still there even after being betrayed. Can't trust a man with principles that goes beyond common sense
He might also killed T and J
"oh no le hekking corpos are DEAD??? MY FEELINGS...."
I mean, they were horrible ppl, idk why thats what wouldve changed ur mind
@@nukeplayer2847 try people who weren't evil and absolutely didn't deserve to die, much less be executed in cold blood as a first resort.
I was like “shit, I don’t believe either of them and need what they both offer”
The best option is to help Reed because I trusted him, I know he wanted to be a good boy. When Songbird got angry at me, I was saying it is all fir her, to help her. With her we defeated the scary robot but she made so many mistakes in her life, she was trying to sneak out, she was selfish (what can be even learned in her ending). It was her destiny, she fucked around and found out. At least I had a chance to prove Im a friend of her and let her die. Still, my ending from 3y ago is canon to me - as started as a Nomad, saw how Night City is toxic and ended up with Panam heading to Arizona
I was so drunk I didn't realize I betrayed Reed
I love how differently people see this decision and the Phantom Liberty characters in their playthroughs. For me personally, it wasn't a difficult decision who to side with because I role played as my V. Phantom Liberty recontextualized the whole main story of Cyberpunk 2077 because my V as an ex-Arasaka netrunner who just wanted to be free and survive saw herself in Songbird and completely identified with her aims and actions. While sitting in the airport train next to Songbird when she was unconscious and slowly dying, my V / I thought: She's me. I would have done the same to survive and live freely. Handing her over to Reed and the authorities wouldn't just have meant betraying Songbird, it would have been a self-betrayal. So, my V learned that there are things that are more important than her own life and probably became a bit more similar to Johnny in this regard. Her compassion made her carry Songbird to the rocket and shoot Reed. It was a good ending despite ending up without a cure for herself.
played both endings twice trying to find one i could live with...
exactly how i fucking felt that time hahahah
I went w/ Songbird, but had to replay the Reed side for the gameplay, holy shit it's wild that so many people are going to miss that whole section of the expac, it's so good!
It was a relatively easy decision considering that she had betrayed many people in the past and Reed died for his people...
Siding with reed turns the game in to a horror game with the damn stalking robot mission
Hahahaha so good meme😂❤
Alex has to die for the most and best rewards.
alex was so cool though, she never got to fulfill her dreams 😔
Reed warned us we were used, so i was expecting the moment of betrayal or confession. That reeds line was basically a spoiler) but at that point all was done to get her on shuttle
Well from a gameply stance the song ending is fun reed you get chased by a robot you cant fight for some reason
scarecrows actor is just plain scary by himself
*Obviously this comment to this video will have spoilers* Yah, I can totally relate to Reed's character, but I also understand So Mi's position. I ended up helping So Mi and hated that I had to kill Reed... 😢
The moment Reed killed Aurore Cassel, i joined Songbird
Absolutely hypocrital lmao. simp glasses on for playing
Understandable. Have a nice day
this dlc proper fucked me up
Ay i needed the cyber deck
For me there was only two chooses:
1. Going with So Mi and help her to get in rocket to the Moon
2. Going with Reed and at the end help So Mi fulfill her last wish.
going option 2 was hardest 😭
Those two choices are probably the most morally correct.
Yeah, same. Since the beggining I was sus about Songbird, when I met Reed I could see that I agree way more with him, but it was a thin line. But after witnessing all the flashbacks from Songbird life, I just couldnt help to feel emphaty for her, so I just choosed to hugged her and chose to grant her wish and euthanized Songbird. Becoming a slave to the system and reduced to being a tool for the goverment is something that neither V nor Johnny could stand for (at least that’s my interpretation), even if she lied and tricked V.
The last conversation with Johnny about the whole thing, with “Never Fade Away” coincidentally playing in the background, was just icing on the cake. Hats off CDRP, clap clap.
C'mon guys, the way I see it. Songbird enlisted your help. And she is determined and decisive to reach her goal. Reed is indecisive and perpetually conflicted with his own principles. Reed seems to always be looking for validation of such principles on others. Shoot reed, send her to the moon, then storm Arasaka tower! Phantom Liberty is Songbird story. Storming Arasaka tower is V's story.
To me, V loose any type of dignity and respect after sending Songbird to the moon, its literally an Stockholm Syndrome ending as I see it. You been played like a little kid for weeks now, you, the best merc in night city, manipulated like if you were a kid. I dunno as I see it I wouldnt be able to handle the shame.
I chose option B and greatly paid the price for it after during the sudden horror game sequence, but I was happy with the ending because it felt like the right option (King of Cups ending)
Whats the mission name again I wanna re play it but not like everything again
I really think helping somi is the best ending there is. Granted she's manipulative and a liar but that's just how she operates and her goal is a justifiable one, she had enough of being a slave to NUS and Miyers. She never meant harm for V, the other point is Reed. I really liked him too and wished there was an ending where he betrayed the NUS, but he's purposely naive and loyal to a fault. I get that he's a man of principles but the NUS sure as hell dont believe on that shit other than putting it as a facade, remember they sold him out and left him to die yet he still has good faith in them. Both somi and reed are just pawns gettimg used by NUS. At least somi wanted freedom from that, wish it was the same for reed too...
Reed character is identical to Takemura. Both are loyal dogs.
@@viljaminieminen6925 What is also interesting is that they both mirror V and Johnny in many ways without realising it
She's not manipulative at all, she finds out in the labs that the neural matrix could only be used once, the next quest is the final one, where should she tell us that? while escaping in the sewers? c'mon
@@dusty3328 she doesn't tell you when she's trying to get you to take her to the moon