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- THE UPGRADES EPISODE: I review the upgrades from my recent trip to the nuCamp service center, including the installation of my Lion Energy lithium batteries.
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Thanks for another great one! I don't even have my 320s yet and I am so overwhelmed. I think once I can use it I will know better what I need and want and how I best enjoy camping. Counting the days until it's here! I love your videos. :)
Thanks for stopping by! The one thing to keep in mind is that you don't have to use it all at once. Learn one thing at a time and you will be fine!
True story: Just as we were about to sit down to watch your video, FedEx arrived with our new lithium battery! Synchronicity 😄. Fab T@B Talk! Thanks for your clear explanations as I work to get all of this electrical business sorted out in my head. Congrats on your upgrades! (Did you get a new camera as well? The video quality is excellent!) I so appreciate your videos, Jenn! 🤗🌸
Oh, so awesome! So glad you got your batteries! I didn't get a new camera but the lighting was good.
Thanks Jenn. That was a helpful video for my decision. I have a 2018 tab 400 with the original one huge battery that’s on is way out. I appreciate you sharing.
I just bought a 140 watt Zamp solar panel to use on my battery. I will see how that goes, also, last summer I purchased a 500 watt goal zero inverter with 50 watt solar panel to charge it. I’m not near As knowledgeable as you are and just a beginner. I have traveled from Michigan to Colorado to Washington state and only Boondocking a few overnights in Walmart parking lot, otherwise inexpensive camp with hook ups. Always enjoy your great informative videos 👍🏼
I just found your up grads program. I like the KISS idea when I can. Keep is simple, stupid. Keep going, I enjoy.
Thanks for the video. I ordered the WF-8955Lis Power converter from
Jenn, Thanks so much for this. Our ‘07 DM (since new) is in need of a power upgrade. Solar and batteries this video was a great help!
So glad it was helpful!
A wealth of information, thank you! Keep the info coming!👍
Thanks for the update. My new rig I picked up today included a Battleborn lithium battery and converter, Victron monitor, and an inside installed Hughes Watchdog. Tom’s Camperland did a great job with the installs.
Sounds like you are ready to go camping! I have heard great things about Tom's.
@@JennGroverPhotography driveway boondocking next weekend in Sedona just an hour and a half away. I think I’m ready. My shore power receptacle popped out. Screws were threaded. Tom’s is mortified so they asked me to bring it back first thing. Great place!
Oh, wow! Glad it happened before you needed it and glad Tom's is taking care of it.
If I can ask ... what did it cost out the door for battery/electric system upgrade?
@@garyhamilton8951 all the electric commitment was just under $2000. That was apart from the cost of the camper. I got one Battleborn lithium, a Victron, and a Hughes Watchdog all installed by the dealer.
Very useful video. I didn't know they had a drop in replacement for the converter that support Lithium.
I added a lithium battery to my 320 because it accepts charge more quickly. Because it's easy to move around and won't harm my clothing when moving it. For the higher working voltage, (12.8). my inverter likes that. The original power converter in the 320 will be slow to get a lithium battery fully charged, but will overcharge one in less than a week. Avoid overcharge by doing rested battery voltage checks with a multimeter. Or buy a power converter like Jenn.
Great information and insight. We're planning to by a used 320 and I'm betting we'll convert to lithium once we've gotten some experience.
It makes like a lot easier, for sure!
Thanks!
Thank you!
I'm fortunate to have a 3-way fridge (2019 T@B) and when boon-docking in the desert or the Sierras, propane is VERY efficient. I have a good Zurn solar cell system that charges two 6V Glass Mesh batteries connected in series. This allows us to watch movies at night even if we stay out for days. Indeed, most people do not need Lithium. A Jack-e-up and a lock-n-roll hitch/coupler are my best up-grades.
I had the three-way fridge in my 2015 T@b and will gladly keep my Isotherm DC fridge. It is so much more efficient, dependable, and works much better at high altitude than the three-way on LP.
@@JennGroverPhotography Glad you like the DC fridge. Indeed, old sparkly can be sinitive to the wind when starting, but we've camped well above 10K in both Colorado and California with no problems.
That's the thing with the three-way models, some people had no issues and a lotnof people do: they are just inconsistent.
I have a Goal Zero Yeti 1500x lithium power station. There are options for recharging to conserve the life of the battery. The “Battery Saver” setting only charges it to 85%. So for folks interested in upgrading to lithium but don’t want to upgrade their converter, it’s not necessarily a bad thing that they can’t 100% top off their lithium battery. When I am not using my power station, I keep it in Battery Saver mode and then switch it to 100% charge right before a trip. Someday I’ll upgrade my 320 with installed lithium when life allows me to camp longer 🙏🏻
Yeah, I just want to be at 100% everyone because I drive multi-day trips, not everyone needs a lithium switch converter.
Girrrrrl
You do your homework
I,ll hire you on the spot
No kidding education turns me on
Fun too
oooh, I want that 7500 fan!
It is really nice!
Always great information!!
Very informative video! I’m happy with my choice to get AGM batteries because I rarely boondock. Maybe I will more in the future!
I think AGM is a great choice for you!
Yeah...love this
one of the best vids i ve seen in a long time
Nice video Jenn. We are thinking about coming back to a T@b 320S. I already own two BB Lithium batteries. My intention was to do a drop in replacement swapping the battery the dealer puts in with the two Battle Borns. However, I asked nuCamp if the two batteries would fit in the box with the propane tank. They said no. We were looking at a 22 or 23 model, and I don’t think that 100ah would last very long with the 12v fridge when camping off grid for very long. I appreciate any feedback you can give me on this dilemma. Thanks! Bob Burns
Come on back! I know people ha e installed 2 BB batteries. Maybe join one of the T@b Facebook groups and ask. If you like to camp without shore power for a few days, you will probably want 200ah
I'm seeing that the WF-8735LiS that you got is not generally available anymore, and WFCO is pushing the AD (auto detect) series like the WF-8725-AD that came with my 2023 Tab 320 s BD. I picked up a Dr. Prepare 100AH battery but I'm not impressed so far with either WFCO's auto detect or the information they information they provide on their products. From what I've been seeing in forums, a lot of dealers don't really understand lithium installation and optimization - and traveling to Ohio to get real expertise isn't a viable option for most of us.
I haven't heard of any nuCamp ow ers who have the newer auto-detect having any issues, but I am aware that other brand owners have reported issues. Perhaps WFCO has corrected the problem
@@JennGroverPhotography I'm a week into letting the auto detect in my 2023 Tab 320 complete a charge cycle so it can, in theory, sense the lithium battery and switch modes. I'm not optimistic. Surely my controller would have the latest firmware. A jumper or switch like you have makes so much more sense.
What is the current draw of the fridge? Have you installed an inverter?
Hi Jenn, I’m New at all this, don’t have a trailer yet! On my way to pick one up a Tab 320 S out of state that I am in the process of purchasing. My question is does the RV Dealer supply the battery of their choice or does NuCamp supply the appropriate battery if there is a solar package factory installed? Like I said I’m a newbie and watching your videos to get Informed and gain any info from all your Knowledgeable info that you share.
Congrats! The dealer supplies the battery but you can sometimes negotiate a different battery in your deal or later do an upgrade. They usually put the cheapest, smallest capacity they can in. nuCamp now offers a robust lithium package, also, that can be ordered.
Rocky is the best 😊
Thanks for the video. I ordered the WF-8955Lis Power converter from WFCO. This unit has enough power to run the microwave or AC off grid using two Lion Lithium batteries. Looking at your video, it appears that you have the same power converter that I selected. You have have gone with the 45 amp unit. If you upgrade to the higher power unit, some of the wiring may have to be changed to support the higher current. I will look at that. Just wondering if you upgraded to higher power off grid and if you can run your AC. thanks - we enjoy your videos!
No, I didn't upgrade to a higher power. That would required some additional changes, as well as replacing my Progressive EMS.
What about a tire pressure monitoring system & sway control? Seems very vital. Tires pick up nails or road debris & windy conditions can be dangerous
Sway control is not needed for a 320 and my Jeep has some built in sway control. I have driven thousands of miles and in some fairly windy conditions. I check the tire pressure myself. I do see a system I like, but haven't pulled the trigger, yet.
@@JennGroverPhotography Did you ever have a blow out while towing? Do you drive under 65 mph while towing?
@@bonnieson4989 I have never had a blow put and the Boondock tires have a higher speed rating so I stay within those parameters
Hi Jenn. I just watched your upgrade lithium battery video. I know nothing about the solar stuff. I just purchased the Barefoot camper and it came with 100 ah BB lithium battery, exterior solar port located in the Nautilus, and a converter that detects battery type. So if I want to add 200w of solar panels, is it a plug n play situation? I don’t boondock but occasionally will dry camp. I’m worried about how much I can use the battery. I can monitor using the Victron app on phone but I don’t know what levels stay above or monitor and certainly don’t want to ruin anything on my first trip out. If I camp for 3 days NOT using fridge but using the Alde and few usb charge outlets, would I most likely be ok? Not sure I even need solar as I’m always plugged in but for $300 it would be worth it. Thanks for your advice!
HI Donna, there are a lot of variables I would need to know before I could answer that question.
@@JennGroverPhotography I talked with NuCamp and confirmed my Barefoot rig is set up to plug n play. Now I just need to pick 200 watts of solar panels. I know Renogy is a good brand but what do you recommend or can vouch for? I guess I need the PNW controller and std SAE connectors? . NuCamp indicated 200 watts would be a very good setup for the 100amh BB that is standard in the Barefoot.
@@donnaeconomos678 200w is good. I recommend an MPPT controller, not PWM.
Thanks Jenn. I value your opinion! I’m going dry camping next week on a beautiful working farm on a trout stream close to the BlueRidge Parkway. I will test out my battery and go from there👍
ps: a fresh voice.
Jen, I picked up a full-size spare tire and bracket at ucamp. Just looking at the bracket it looks straight forward on what to do. But pictures are a thousand words. I was wondering when you had yours done did the bracket go against the main storage tub and they had a plate the helped support it in the inside of the tub …. correct? So I will need to drill two holes into the tub… correct? Please confirm and if possible send pics. Thank You!
Mine came like that from the factory, but there are two bolts and a plate inside of the tub. Here is a photo of the bracket: jenngrover.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/20210628_1840261538644364261873950-scaled.jpg and one of the plate inside of the tub: jenngrover.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/20210628_1841011212826848865291819-scaled.jpg
@@JennGroverPhotography THANK YOU! It’s exactly what I thought but just wanted it confirmed.
Hi Jenn wondered if you could help me figure out an issue. I have only been on one trip and used shore power. Never have tested/ used battery power alone. When I did I discovered both In-line 30 amp battery fuses were blown. I purchased and placed a LE lithium battery, replaced both inline fuses and when I turned on the battery disconnect switch the 30 amp fuse on the converter blew and one of the inline fuses
I have an appointment with a local NuCamp dealer to have a look but have been wanting to ask. Thanks and really appreciate all your videos!
It sounds like maybe you have something wired incorrectly or something shorting out.
Hello Jenn, what brake controller are you using on your Tab and Grand Cherokee. I’m looking to instal one on my Jeep GC. Thanks!!
We had a good discussion about brake controllers on the licestream on Sunday: czcams.com/video/WTM458X3WGg/video.html
@@JennGroverPhotography great!! Thanks so much. I will certainly watch it.
Another great video Jenn...I like that the tongue weight is lessened this way!...Are these batteries vented?, Is there a way of using regular batteries this way?..thank you again!
Thanks, Brent. You could stick group 24 batteries in that spot, but you would have to add a vent. There is not need to vent lithium, so mine are not vented. People have also used the space on the passenger side bench. I was really thankful to get away using that space that isn't really usable so I am not losing storage space.
Jenn,
I’ve watched most of your videos on Tab 320. I’m particularly interested in the battery config. The lithium is tempting but I’ll take your advice and confirm my style of camping before biting peeling off +3000 to obtain lithium and additional solar panels. So while you were using the twin golf batteries ... what was approx runtime before you needed to charge? I’m assuming the 2 batteries, plus the one 100 watt solar panel. Assuming sunny days ... did it last 1,2, or 3? thanks, G
Hi Gary about 2.5 days
@@JennGroverPhotography Nice. But just thinking... did that include electric fridge (no propane?). I've got a 2021 320 cs Boone on order. Pretty excited and hoping factory /dealer can accommodate a few upgrades before I pick up. Did you piggy back your Portable Solar screen into the existing solar circuit? I was thinking of just adding solar boost to golf batteries? Wondering if that is easy /practical prior to lithium? thanks in advance, G
Yes, I also have a 2021 320. You need a separate controller and inlet for solar. I chose a second Victron so they could be networked via Bluetooth.
Jenn , thanks for all the information you provide about the Tab 320. We have a 2021 320 Boondock and are considering transitioning to lithium. Did you need to do anything to your TV to protect your alternator and battery? I've read that charging the Lithium via the alternator can burn it out. Thanks again!
It is going to depend on your TV. I have a smart alternator that limits how much is sent to the traielr, so I have no issues.
Jenn, regarding your comment about the lithium battery, long distance travel, and the fridge--are you keeping your fridge on while driving? I ran into a problem last year with a draw-down of my TV battery through the 7 pin. There may have been an issue with the TV itself (I made a change this year), but I learned to always power down the fridge when driving. Does the Li battery somehow provide a work-around to this issue?
I have a smart alternator that limits how much my Jeep will send to the T@b, so I do run the fridge.
Any way to add water to tank without a hose on a 2021 320S?
No, but the Nautilus water system included on the 2021 320 makes it easy to siphon from a container to the freshwater tank. It is much easier than lifting a 5 gallon container! czcams.com/video/bNuXdt9oNxo/video.html
Thanks Jenn
Hey Jen, What is the model of the WFCO 30 amp lithium converter that is the drop-in replacement? Do you have an affiliate link? TIA
Hi Grace! Amazon doesn't have this model, but many RV dealers or online suppliers should be carrying this. Beware, you might run into parts shortages and the could be hard to find, but be patient. wfcoelectronics.com/product/wf-8735lis/
did you sent your tab to “austin” for the upgrades? Im in austin- would like to bring it to the same spot if you recommend. Which shop?
I did, but there are a lot of good dealers who could probably do it for you, too. I live close to the factory.
Hi Jen What’s your hitch weight now that you have lithium batteries and they’re inside thanks
I haven't had a chance to check yet, but less. Truthfully, I don't get too worried because I have had a lot of room to spare with my TV.
On a 2022 tab 320 I'm considering replacing the dealer supplied battery with a Lithium 200AH battery. Although the solar charger is Lithium capable would the increased charge rate affect the tow vehicle power delivery?
Possibly. The alternators vary and smart alternators prioritize the TV. That said, I have had no issues.
Cool! Just wonder how the Tow Vehicle power connects to the trailer. Battery directly?
@@georgerachor7904 it depends. 😁 if your TV 7 pin connection is wired to charge a battery then you would connect through the 7 pin connection. The other option is to install a DC to DC charger.
@@JennGroverPhotography ah... Looks like I need the orion DC-DC isolation charger.
Jen did you hear what Texas legislation is doing about rvers overnight camping they're trying to make it against the law. I found it on driving and vibing Channel on CZcams. It might be worth checking out.
Terry, this isn't going to impact campers, it's intended to make Austin safer: thetexan.news/aimed-at-austins-homelessness-texas-legislature-poised-to-ban-public-camping/
Jen, did you consider the Renogy lithium batteries?
I did. From what I have read due to the BMS you don't get the full ah as advertised and they were a few lbs heavier and a little bigger size.I don't hink Renogy is a bad choice, just not for me.
Why did you get 2 105 amp batteries?
They are 12v and I am running them in parallel. That gives me 210ah of battery capacity.
@@JennGroverPhotography Thanks Jenn! We’re trying hard to get all this understood. It was probably a dumb question, but that’s where we’re at. We fried our lead acid battery already on our 2022 320S, and are at square one again.
Hi Jen, But why not just get one 12v 200ah battery? We are thinking about putting our lithium in the front bin. We found SOK with a built in heater.
Size and weight were 3 of the biggest factors. Also, the Lion Energy battery had the highest continuous discharge current (150 A) at the time which would be important if I decide to use h8gher powered inverters and electronics.
@@JennGroverPhotography Thanks! We really appreciate your info. We saw a 320S owner who put one 12v 100ah in the Drivers side inside box! I'll be measuring to see if the larger 200ah will fit there. I see what you mean about the 2 lions fitting where you put them. It's pretty tight (perfect). Seems like all these lithium batteries are different sizes.
your camera style scares me to hell