UK MILITARY SLEEP SYSTEM. ....bexbugoutsurvivor
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- WARMEST SYSTEM I'VE TESTED SO FAR....
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An affordable alternative to the Carinthia Defence 4 Sleeping System. A look at my 4 piece all weather system. Parts include Inner Light Weight Tropen and the Medium weight centre zip bag, along with the cotton inner and the MTP bivvy bag.........bexbugoutsurvivor - Zábava
In '94 I was on a winter tour of Bosnia, I slept in the back of a Daf 4t and was warm when it got as low as -37C using the bag and bivi.
I got a surplus one of these and to be honest the main use of the liner is hygiene and maintenance. Washing the sleeping bags degrades them, and most sleeping bags start to stink. I can chuck the liner in the washing machine as often as a like, and use nice smelling laundry conditioner so it smells nicer than a brothel. Much more preferable to smelling my own stink from the bag. Besides, about twenty squaddies have probably beaten on out in my army surplus bag, so I am philosophical about the fact that its never going to smell quite right.
I agree! The cotton liners are great for keeping the inside clean. I purchased a pack of them from an online retailer couple months back made in the Netherlands fit Carinthia or other design like these bags he’s showing. I also got a six pack of Belgium liners that I use with my Belgium bag they tie in a couple places and then Velcro around the outer edge. The Belgium system is really nice as well it’s a bit heavier bag than the United States green patrol bag so it goes down to lower temperature and has a silicone treated nylon and cotton bivy it slides into fits around the bag like a pillowcase. I really do like the Corinthian design nice long front center zipper easy to get in and out of and they can be layered. again, liners do seem like a must when you’re really gonna be using your fart sack a lot. No doubt, will keep it smelling better and like you say can wash the liner with detergent that leaves a pleasant smell. So the inside of your bag smells like a French whorehouse.🎉😂
Brilliant video. I do like the sleep system, if it works and it is a fraction of the price then it's a no brainer.. good old british army gear. Can't beat it. 👍🇬🇧
Thanks for the review! The Netherlands forces uses also the FECSA copy but without the drying pockets, reserve zipper and tying laces of the jungle bag. The rest is the same and same quality. The innerliner is a good way to get entangled inside your sleeping bag. I don't use it either. It seems the FECSA version breathes better due to its not made of waterproof fabric as the Carinthia is. The NLD forces use them in combination with the goretex hooped bivvy (also a Carinthia explorer 2 clone made by FECSA), so it doesn't need to be waterproof itself. Cheers!
I think I would like to try the Carinthia D4 one day, didn't know it is not that breathable, good intel thanx....bex
Excellent value, I paid around 75.00 for the liner, lightweight and medium weight bag all brand new. Its not a lightweight option at all, but if you wild camp or bushcraft etc in colder weather its hard to beat. No nonsense, decent quality, bomb proof option if you don't have hundreds to blow on a SnugPak SF or Carinthia modular system.
Cheers mate. Iv'e since made some simple much needed mods to the system, that vid coming soon. I've had snugpak b4, total crap, sticking zips, joke temperature claims, over rated and over priced...
I never notice the weight of the FECSA I don't carry that much else. I also have the buffalo system on this channel, similar weight and volume, but is fleece pile insulation....thanx for watching....bex.
Another great video mate I've had my modular British army sleep system for years now I wouldn't leave home without it when I'm out wild camping. Its always in my bug out bag ie my British army 120 litre Bergen I really cant wait to hit the trail again stay safe buddy
Its great for a cold sleeper like me, I have made some small modifications to mine fora better fitting seal. Some zipper teeth issues with mine, mine stows so compact compared to my old heavy 90 pat arctic too. thanks for watching....bex
Very Nice Sleeping System! Thanks for Showing it. Stay Safe and Warm. Don't let them Badgers get you. Enjoy the Trails, Looks like the weather is good. Cheers from Swansea, SC.
Seems very cosy so far, set for all seasons now. We had four days of nice weather here, (summer weather over) lol
Thanx for watching.....bex
Very good review >Tells you all you need to know . The Danish Special forces system is also Carnithia and i have used it down to minus 12 with no issue at all . VERT GOOD VALUE SYSTEM
I will probably replace Fecsa with the Carinthia in time, along side sourcing other extreme arctic bags on my kit journey, thanx 4 watching....bex
Hello Bex and another good video and I have one of the British modular medium weight bags and it's a good bag, I also need to test it in the winter months. Thanks for sharing and all the best and keep safe!
Sounds great! Cant wait to get into the old maggot bag when its colder....bex
Had a look at this system over the winter, emailed the shop about weight and pack down size but no reply.
Thanks for providing the information the surplus sellers don’t give Bex.
Glad to help
Just got mine today, fantastic part from the major bobbling with the Velcro that you mention. Great bit of kit for the money.£79 from goarmy
Claimashield apex insulation is a real game changer, especially for someone who sleeps cold as I do. If you are going to use foam or air pads under the sleeping bag, you will need to use the bag turned inside out, as the pertex Nylon outer shell can work against it insulating properly. Use the pertex shell on the outside if you plan on putting your air-pad inside the bag with you, for this you will need to be a back sleeper, as side sleeping will make the bag too tight on the shoulder. Pop the bag and pads inside a goretex bivvy bag and you will be warm down to minus 10C, or add the tropical light weight bag, and the system is good for minus 20C... Enjoy
Brilliant. Just did exactly the same. I was fishing around for options, and then saw Go Army selling the whole system, so I got that and a gortex bivvy. It was actually kind of bizarre realising that the system lasts for decades if treated well, and works down to -25c, keeping you alive down to -32c. That means that it will work in any environment I will ever visit, and most likely outlast me. Its always great to buy an item and think "I might never have to shop for one of these ever again"
hello Bex I've had the system for a year and I can say that I've never used two because the medium is so warm and water doesn't come in either. fantastic system
It does feel good to the skin, reminds me of how cosy I was in the 90 pat, only this seems a lot lighter...thanx for watching...bex
If you want to use the liner although I hate them too, put some of your sniper tape over the Velcro, quicker method to fix it but probably more comfortable without a liner anyway.
The liner sucks, best way to get tangled. Iv'e removed some of the velcro, to make some modifications, that vid coming soon....ONE FECSA liner for sale....lol
I love mine I don't use it with the uk bivvy I've got the US woodland bivvy bag which is easier to get in and out as it has a zip I've got the older version of the US bivvy the zip is on the right hand side the newer one is centre zipped it's a very warm system the only downside is size and weight but on those cold long winter nights it's fantastic
I had all three pieces of the US MSS system at over 5 kilos, much bulkier and heavier than this FECSA system featured here. I mostly use my Dutch hooped bivvy with this UK modular system, which has a left hand zip. Totally modded out this FECSA system now, including a new toothed zipper, having removed the coil zipper, infamous for breaking open, hence the requirement for spare rescue zippers in every bag.....# Roll on winter....bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor But aren’t those rescue zippers a brilliant idea! Not had to use mine that often but on a cold night when your zip goes these are a Godsend!🏴👍
Hi Bex
Great vidio as always
Used this system with carinthia (fortunately got it very cheap as new) with dutch army hooped bivi just thermals and snugpak softie suit on Dartmoor during beast from the east thermometer reading -17
Only cold part was my feet great system though
Keep up the good work
Ps when's the inch bag vid coming out
Regards
Tony
I love using this system with my Dutch hooped bivvy, as i have modified this system now.....
Beast from the east here in Wales -14 was in my hammock trying out gear, my pee nearly froze mid flow lol....
excellent this as there aren't many reviews out there on the complete system, like you say ditch the inner liner it's a pain, a great all round bag though love it
Thanks for watching!
A pretty cosy bag, I am in the process of removing the coil zip, and replacing it with a toothed zipper, like the ones from the 90 bag. Don't have much luck with the coil zips....thanks for watching mate...bex
Thank you, for the review. Are the English bags, as waterproof as the Carinthian Tropen? Also as able to insulate, when damp, or wet?
I’m thinking winter, or late fall camping. With a tarp, instead of a bivvy. West coast BC mountains.
Bill
Carinthia bags don't claim to be waterproof. At best they may be weather resistant, hence the requirement of a bivvy bag. Synthetic insulation will insulate even when wet, especially (Climashield Apex fill) which can insulate very well when damp, and often dries out completely by the morning time.
Interesting, looking at the medium bag . Food for thought , cheers . Take it easy 👍
Hi Bex, I just picked up a Fecsa medium bag new with tags, a few slight differences to your's, no zip repair pocket, finer mesh for the pockets, more like a midge head net but still has the same NSN, looks like a good bag so thanks for the review. I sleep colder than I used to, wrong side of 55 LOL, I have the PCS softie jacket, a Snugpack jungle bag (pretty poor performance but the midge net is good), Arctic Booties and an army issue bivy bag, what's your take on getting a pair of PCS softie trousers to add to the above or go for the lightweight modular inner bag, I'd value your thoughts if you have time, cheers.
My set up is> Fecsa sub zero bag (ONLY)>SOL Escape bivvy> & fleece jog pants & micro fleece PCS sweater>tent booties>and hot water bottle....As a cold sleeper I can seriously sweat up in this below zero. I don't use "softie" in a doss bag (off camera).
The pertex outer shell can form an isolation barrier, which can reduce the R value of the air pad/roll mat, to counter this turn the sleeping bag inside out to sleep in. (OR) if you have the large version, bring the air pad inside the doss bag with you (not over inflated) with sleeping bag correct way around...
The Fesca bag is actually hoodless, although you can use the face hole as such. I prefer to use mine hoodless, with a jacket stuffed into the hood as a pillow, and sleeping bag is snugged up around my shoulders, and a tight knit RM wool hat....~FAR WARMER than trying to use the face hole like a hood.....
Not needed the thinner tropical bag to be added yet....
Best buy to use instead of the goretex bivvy....
www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/camping-and-hiking/bivy-sack/sol-escape-bivvy
ATB bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor Cheers, my Fecsa is Medium size and I normally just use a dual density CCF mat so that won't fit inside but I have a regular thickness mummy shaped self inflating multimat that might fit, I'm about 5'10 but slim, PCS trouser size 80/76/92 and PCS shirt 170/88 but sleeves a touch short, bottom line is I have a fair amount of space in the MSS outer bag even in medium but best thing is to try and see. Do you not use a bivy bag if you're sleeping under a tarp/basha?
I add the SOL Escape bivvy to the sleeping bag under a tarp, or even in a tent if temperature is in single digits, and sub zero. Double digits, I use a down fill top quilt, and therm-a-rest pad...If you cant get the mummy pad in with you, turn sleeping bag inside out & pop it in the bivvy bag, on top of the pad....bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor Ok Cheers Bex, I'll try the sleeping pad fit and see how it feels, Thanks Again
Same here, my brand new medium weight bag doesn't have the zip repair pocket but my lightweight one does.
the British ones are made in spain, i had one for awhile (at minus 8)
... really liked it, found it very warm, but i've stepped away from sleeping bags now,
so sold it on, ... overall i found it similar to the 90 pattern bag in terms of comfort/warmth,
I did like the replacement zip feature, i thought that was a clever feature.
Mine need the teeth fixing, but made some small mods to it to make it a better seal around the neck. Was you at minus 8 with both bags or just the outer with or w/o bivvy bag. Its hard to please a cold sleeper lol,
But bivvy and both bags and mods, warm as toast, but was only three above, any intel would be greatfully appreciated, with or w/o softies inside...thanx bud...bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor was at minus8 with the temperate bag and a softie suit, in a hammock, i didnt even realise it had been that cold ... until i tried to make a morning drink and found my water bottles frozen solid. I never used the summer bag so cant judge if its worth while or not, have used the old tropical bags in winter in brecon (again with softie suit, with mixed results) ... another time i used the temperate bag around zero but had a german army parka on, again had a good nights sleep ... to me the bag performs almost the same as the 90 pattern, ... although i think they said that is rated to minus 20 (might be wrong, it was 20 odd years back when i was first issued one)
Seeing as the UK is not known for really cold, freezing conditions such as say, Canada or Russia, which of their sleeping systems have you seen or used Bex? I'm thinking stuff that goes down to minus 50 or so. I have civvie system I've used down to minus 7c - but want to go cycle touring as soon as we're allowed so i'm looking at systems down to say -30c or lower if possible.
Canada winter nights -30c to -40c, would need a specialist bag system. One system I was looking at was a wiggys system -20 or -60 set Ultima Thule combo. At the specs are on their web site, dependant on which system you want.
www.wiggys.com/sleeping-bags/ultima-thule-mummy-style-sleeping-bag/
If you want to do it on the cheap, I would use 2 winter fecsa bags, (I have 2 winter fecsa bags now a long, and a regular & the thinner over bag too) anything you choose will have weight and bulk for those temps, if you are going down the road of synthetics, but good news, you won't need any additional wearables in the bag system, so the clothing allocation will be less.
A Carinthia defence 6 bag, has a comfort of minus 20c, and you could supplement it with layered clothing maybe.
varuste.net/en/p68492/carinthia-defence-6-l-200cm&change_country=GB&change_currency=EUR?gclid=CjwKCAjww5r8BRB6EiwArcckC-pNXffSxIgtj4FVB4pYretMjD8QFC0bI0SMTafzvCubV8NBs6tpqhoCqYYQAvD_BwE
Get a mummy shaped air pad in the bag with you too, you will be surprised how it increases the R value.
I am saving for a wiggys system for next winter, guess it will take me a year to save...lol
I wouldn't trust anything less, than the fore mentioned, a warm sleep is vital above ANY other bit of kit. Invest heavy on insulation and shelter.....
This guy slept in a wet wiggys system in the winter
czcams.com/video/YD3wA5Wrcmc/video.html
Jerry Wigutow explains climashild insulation.
czcams.com/video/cx_9wOe7Euc/video.html
hope it helps...bex
I've been using the medium bag for the last year and can't fault it. Great for in the Hammock with the centre zip. Have you got a link for the tropical bag. I was gonna buy the snugpak jungle bag, but changed my mind now.
Every where one line is now sold out, it does that as soon as I make a video like this...lol
Try E bay, Bit pricey tho, but there are some left, The Snugpak tropical sucks, the zippers snag all the time, and doesn't have a pertex shell to my memory, I couldn't give mine away in the end....thanx for watching bex
Hi Bex. Do You have information about comfort and extreme temperature when using both sleeping bags (lightweight with medium)?
Internet sales marketing, are addressing the medium weight bag only as -18C comfort. If the insulation is a true Climashield 200 gsm insulation, that makes it a realistic -2C comfort, for a warm sleeper. The only way the UK modular system can achieve the full -18C comfort, is by using all parts 4 parts of the system, the outer bag and inner bag and the bivvy bag, baring in mind military bags are rated with the occupant being in full BDUs, or PCS, (Full combat uniform) unlike a civvy bag that are rated using only base layers. Not having tested these bags any less than -7C last winter, I cant confirm its lower or extreme ratings. If it helps at all, just the medium weight bag & goretex bivvy bag inside a tent was sweaty warm at -7C in just my boxers. -7C is all it got down to where I live....b
Cool, thanks.
No problem!
Hi! Bex, seems like you got yourself a good bargain there, comparing the prices. It was probably the price factor that made the UK government decide to produce their own version. It looks very snug.
Was the mosquito netting ever treated with insecticide to overcome what you thought was too open a weave?
A more open weave to the mesh would probably aid breathing with something like permethrin sprayed on the mesh to kill the insects on contact.
Super!
Thank you! Cheers!
Bex , looks like a great option, especially with the price difference. Thanks for sharing, I hope this finds you well, stay safe, God bless !
Very well thanx. Seems I found a bargain, other sets I found more expensive so far....Stay safe God bless Bex
Must be Friday. Whiskey and Bex time.
Oh yes! Mines a large single malt....
Thanks Bex, you've taught me alot over the years and enjoy watching you , 👍👍👍
You are so welcome...bex
I can't believe the price difference, fabulous. One could really snuggle down stealthily in that. What's the condensation like, do you think?
Perfect Lockdown viewing - Warm regards to you and yours Bex 👍 👍 👍
Never had condensation from brit bags, but believe the Carinthia doesn't breath as well as this fesca. I use a Goretex bivvy, but some of the lads say not, and rely on the pertex outer shell under a basha instead....Base testing looks promising, need to get a no 10 zipper sewn on, as the one it comes with is a bit naff, nice lockdown project for me....bex
Any follow up to this? Had some good cold weather lately here in the UK
So far used the main bag & bivvy @ +3C (all it got down to) and I was roasting (bag is at its optimal performance when used with a Gore-tex bivvy). Best used hoodless, wearing a wool hat. The outer shell seems to act as an isolator reducing warmth from the air pad, so the airpad came inside with me, the extra large bag benefits this method. I have seen some lads turn their doss bag inside out, and place the airpad under the bag to counter the iso effect, same as I do with my pertex shell ECW coat. There is an update video on all this coming up in a few weeks time, covering all this subject matter. I now own 2 of these main bags, 1 XL 1 regular, so am very impressed with its performance to weight ratios. Quite compact given its R-value, and traps a lot of warm air when used hoodless. Only down fall is poor quality coiled zipper, to which I have replaced with a toothed zipped, hand sew 2 hours, @ a cost of £7 for a YKK zipper. Best value bag I have ever owned, warmer than my old pat 90 doss bag. Up coming video I will show the Carinthia Defence 4 sleeping bag, which this Fecsa bag was modelled on....bex
Thanks for the reply, and I look forward to that video. I enjoy a good bargin like this and will be picking myself one up. With a price like that I wont feel as bad putting it through abuse.
Hello, how good are the used Grad1 sleeping bags? Thanks3
Hi Bex, don't suppose you could point me in the right direction to buy one of these, looked online and can only find people selling either the tropical bag or the other bag, not the 2 bags and the liner together, any advice would be appreciated
The warmer bag, is the Medium weight 3 season inc Winter Autumn and Fall. -18C comfort
www.varusteleka.com/en/product/british-modular-defence-4-sleeping-bag-surplus/61174.
You won't get the discount I do however. The inner cotton liner www.kitmonster.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/2121
Best buy if your quick.....
www.surplusandoutdoors.com/modular-sleeping-bag-latest-british-1170303.html
This price won't last long.....
Thanks
HOPE YOUR DOING WELL BEX....LOVING THE SLEEP SYSTEM VERY AFFORDABLE LOOKS PRETTY TOUGH AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE TIME YOU TEST DRIVE IT,YOU ALWAYS GET QUALITY GEAR AND LET US KNOW IF WE SHOULD BUY IT OR NOT,WHAT A SERVICE YOU PROVIDE APPRECIATED GREATLY......IF YOU HAVE ANY KIT THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO LET GO AND SELL I WILL BE INTERESTED IF NOT DON'T ASK DON'T GET..👍👍ATVB STAY SAFE KEEP THE GOOD STUFF COMING.....Dean
Great Video Bex got any links to where you got yours from??
Try ebay to see used or new. type FECSA in search box. As soon as I make a vid, stocks sell out every where....lol
Would you consider using this in the bomb pod configuration.
The hood may be a bit too tight to make a pod from it, remember you will need a long and wide bag, alternative to the 90 pat may be the M90 Dutch, but it has a feather fill, more difficult to sew......Stick with Brit 90 arctic 7 footer if you can find one,...b
bex bugoutsurvivor I have the 7ft PAT90 Arctic. Is the synthetic better on insulation when it’s close to your body and down is better when there is a bit more air? Also would there be any benefit it having the arctic sleeping bag liner as well so it’s possible to lay inside that, in the hammock then with the cocoon PAT90. What is the cold temp rating for a PAT90?
Your right synthetic is best close to the skin, and down feather is best kept loose, but only if used on the ground. To my experience the opposite seems to be the case in a hammock. My (outdoor vitals) duck down pod conducts cold air, and my synthetic pod blocks convection better. Although the synthetic fill is a lot heavier (shame)
The only reason for the liner is to keep the bags cleaner, very little extra warmth is provided as cotton is not a good insulator, IMO. The pat 90 bottoms out at minus 20 Cel, But using a gore-tex bivvy bag in conjunction with any bag drastically improves warmth.
Can you put up a link for British sleeping modular? Cheers
www.surplusandoutdoors.com/modular-sleeping-bag-latest-british-1170303.html
you might have better luck finding a cheaper used one one flea bay tho....
I just got lucky with my supplier.....
bex bugoutsurvivor thanks mate
so the liner goes into the medium bag and the lightweight goes inside them both
Liner into the tropical, tropical into the 3 season, all combined into the Gore-tex bivy, as instructed by the manufacturer. How ever i prefer using the tropical outside the 3 season, & ditching the liner, just for a personal preference. Tropical=lightweight bag, 3 season =medium weight bag, both come in regular or large (wider longer) adds .5 kg for large.
@@bexbugoutsurvivor OK cool wpuld be for fishing
Shame not all side exit
Thanks for the Info
I've just purchased a brand new medium weight bag and mind doesn't have the small pocket for the zip repair.. i love this sleep system though i use it regularly.
I think the claim of a comfort of -10c is a big ask. However military bags are designed to sleep in with full battle dress uniform (BDUs) I only had minimal layers. Married with the lightweight bag and bivvy seems to be the ticket for -10 so far.
on my version, the lightweight has the zip repair, I would guess different issues had them interchangably
The MOD always does this.
Rips off good design, made in GB, or in this case EU gear and gets it made just slighty different sometimes shitter but tbf not always then gets it made in East Asia.
It should all be made in GB, like the Yanks have to use all made in the US with US made materials, gear.
This Clone bag is made in Spain by Fecsa. Yanks are always proud of gear made in their home country, but what if there was a shit company in the USA, then its not totally broad spectrum, we just hear of the good companies and not the bad ones (that goes for anywhere in the world). I have loads of yank kit too, some of it is just far too over rated, some of it is of an adequate standard.
@@bexbugoutsurvivor it's not just about potential quality.
It's about jobs and principles.
Yeah jobs and principles is one thing, sub standard kit issued to your men is another. You need those men so you can moan about the jobs and principles…..
Hi you say you would carry sleep system outside of Ruck how would you do that and retain waterproofing assuming you don't use compression sacks.TA
The bivvy bag is water proof enough for foul weather, with the bags inside, just roll it all up. Alternatively bivvy in the pack and I use a large dry sack for the sleeping bags. The style of pack would be key to carrying a complete system externally, the US Alice pack is great for this. This only applies to the US MSS System rather than the UK Modular, which compresses better than poly fill of the US MSS. I am assuming you are referring to your US MSS....b
@@bexbugoutsurvivorReferring to the UK modular, where would I get a good dry bag preferably military grade of that size.Thanks for reply
I have a 25 litre dry sack for Medium weight large bag (old army one in Dessert tan) and I have a 100 litre canoe dry sack, which I use as a pack liner.
Its only the USA MSS that I would recommend traveling it externally, the UK Modular is great stuffed straight in to my 90 litre Berghaus.
Or just roll all three parts of the UK modular system in their entirety from foot to head secured with bungees to the top of your pack, allowing you a 30 litre pack, if you want.
UK made by the spanish company urm .They made a version of the dutch bivvi which have problems with the zips .Austrian version far superior .Ive still use the west german sniper sleeping bag served me well.
Good for you
My dad was in the SAS as well...
@@fitnready4 Everyone’s dad was wasn’t they!?
What are your thoughts on the Camp Summit Artic sleeping bag?
I looked into the Camp Summit Artic sleeping bag some time ago, and can't recall what deterred me from it. But it did lead me to now using top quilts strapped to a pad instead. I still use synthetic fill bags, but only in a bivvy bag, and goose down quilts in tents/summer hammocks.....
@@bexbugoutsurvivor I picked a surplus one up for £50. I just grabbed it knowing they cost £500+ new. It's in a great condition. I've watched your other vid on the quilt option and its a great idea for saving on weight.
That was a bargain. I move about too much for a down sleeping bag to have have any useful effect, due to me obviously continuously compressing the insulating loft as I turn. A quilt remains on top of me regardless of how I turn in the night. I often use Synthetic bags in the same manor now....
@@bexbugoutsurvivor I have to say I'm the same for moving about in my sleep. I'll definitely give the quilt a go. Also just got a surplus compression sack as the bag that came with the Artic was rubbish. So i'll be using your technique there!!
U can buy a unpicker from any sewing shop or eBay and take off any Velcro on the liner
then u don’t need to wash the bags so much I’d probably buy two separate stuff sacks
U don't need to buy any unpicker from anywhere, if u cut the stitching out with a mora knife. 2 stuff sacks 2 times longer to pack up 2 times more effort to crush stuff. 1 oversized drybag, both in at same time X 10 faster, no crush stuffing, air out job done.....
Hello bex hope your safe and well just had a look around for them bags did you get yours from Ebay or another site
Any how be safe stay well atb j
Seller on ebay. Just had a shufty, they are twice as much as I paid for mine, so shop around to be frudle....thanx for watching...bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor
Had a scout round yep definitely doubled in price but I'll keep looking
Thank you for answering please stay safe and be well
Atb Bexs with regards J
Ty
How did you come to purchase these items so cheaply
Just got lucky, didn't realise they are usually a lot more expensive till recently...bex
Dutch SF version is better
In what possible way is it better.???
The M90 is much heavier for the same warmth. The M90 is much bulkier than the Fecsa system.
This is a REVIEW of the British Army Modular System.
The British one you can't tie in the liner to the light bag it only goes in the large
The lightweight jungle goes on the outside over the heavier bag. You tie the liner to the heavier bag/
But there is nothing to tie the big bag to the light bag as it has no toggles on the outside and every video that I have seen has the big bag on the outside and you tie the light bag inside that but the light bag has no toggles on the inside to tie the liner in call me daft by all means but not everything can be tied together and you have the bivvy on the outside I've got all four like I say call me daft 😂 great videos
As I said in the video, I use the heavier bag on the inside. Using the lighter bag on the inside will crush the insulation by the weight of the bigger bag and it will lose it's thermal value. BTW you ARE allowed to use your own bags how ever want, why are allowing others tell you what to do, when you and I both know the (proper way) DOESN'T WORK. But each to their own. My rule for you now you must enter your house thru the cat flap, I have determined this is correct.