The Burgundian Kingdom
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- Supposedly originating from the Baltic island of Bornholm, the Burgundians were an attested tribe by the first century AD. At the time, they were settled beyond the Oder river. In the third century, attacked by the Gepids, they started migrating south-west.
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⏰ Timestamps
0:00 - Origins
1:30 - Gundahar
3:44 - Gondioc & Chilperic
7:58 - Chilperic
10:46 - Gundobad & Godegisel
13:22 - Gundobad
16:22 - Sigismund
19:10 - Godomar
20:57 - Conclusion
🎵 Music
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Survival - Bonnie Grace
Wild Betrayal - Bonnie Grace
Behind Every Powerful Man - Howard Harper-Barnes (instruments)
Disciples of Sun Tzu - Christian Andersen
Forever to Run - Howard Harper-Barnes (instruments)
Controlled Collision - Dream Cave (instruments)
March Towards the End - Bonnie Grace (instruments)
Loyalty - Philip Ayers (instruments)
The Great War - Jon Bjork
Highlands - Philip Ayers (instruments)
📚 Sources
- Katalin ESCHER,Les Burgondes Ve-VIe siècles apr. J.-C.: Errance & Picard; 2021
- Historyfiles, 2023 : www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingLi...
- Wikipedia (fr, en), 2023
Thanks for working on these pre-carolingian and post-Roman Kingdom who often overlooked for their hands on bringing "dark age" on Europe by causing downfall of Rome.
Would love to know if you are working on Amorian and Galician Britons..
Do you mean "Armorican" ? Britonic Armorica and Galicia are not on the radar but maybe someday.
@@ancientsight yes😅
I should have checked the name haha.
@@ancientsight maybe he meant Armerica....
Hype! The Burgundian Kingdom, it's post-Karolingian version, and the fragmentation of it are intriguing but I haven't seen the subject given much attention on youtube history channels.
I love how you keep the year on the top left and move named markers around on the map. Makes time and place much easier to follow.
This man is THE goat
Goth
The poetic epic known as the "Nibelungenlied" from which composer Wagner derived his stories for his epic opera cycle known as "The Ring of the Nibelungenlied" was inspired by the first Burgundian kingdom with characters like Brunnhilde, Siegfried (the hero) and many others. It came however through the prism of the Norse sagas.
Sadly, this epic gets forgotten more and more in Germany.
@@napoleonfeanor I'd argue to the contrary that in this age of widely available information it's remembered more and more.
I'm not gerrman, and even I know of the epic and some of the gist of it.
Sure, it may be through the lense of popular culture, but I remember it, hence it isn't forgotten.
What a joy to find a content creator covering this part of history in such depth. And I love your usage of art and symbols for characters, armies and events. Hope your channel grows as much as the Franks did in this video!
Thanks a lot man, I am glad you like the videos !
As I Rome fan I keep thinking, foolishly, that after the Western Roman Empire fell history in Western Europe became boring for the next 200 or so years. But this video has opened my eyes, and I thank it for that. I only ever knew Gundobad as the nephew of Ricimer who put Glycerius in charge of Rome, I had no idea he did so much other stuff afterwards.
quite the opposite.
The early middle ages are f*cking not known, and at the same time, if you like chaos, you have *a lot* of funny stuff.
Wanna know how vendettas were outlawed in France? Well, we had a royale vendetta for about 50 years between 560 and 610, between a wisigothic queen, and a servant who became also queen.
History is never boring if you look hard enough :)
As i am a roman fan
Boring is good... Those savages brought the whole part of Europe 500 years backward. They were illiterate blood thirty warmongers.
underrated channel
Appreciate it
I really enjoy video’s about the Germanic kingdoms, especially ones about less know kingdoms such as the Burgundian or Suebi, so I would love to see more of it!
There will be more
Barbarians
We need more people like you, your videos are great!!!
Thanks a lot man, do not hesitate to share them !
I cannot express how good it is, you really deserve 4 millions subs
You are the goat my man. Not too much is spoken about the Barbarian Kingdoms from their migration to the Empire & afterwards because all of them except the Franks were conquered & passed on in a period of 100-300 years (409-721)
I can't wait to watch this :)
i just found ur channel and its amazing, it covers my favorite empires and theres so much quality.
God Bless you.
Thanks a lot, I am glad you like the videos !
Thanks for this video
Thank you for watching !
Keep it up bro, love your videos❤
Ok this is crazy good. Really nice maps and animations, thanks for the upload
Nice video man, the first one i have seen from you, hoping to see more
I especially respect your reference to later Germanic poetry and legend. To me, this is what is most important in these stories.
Incredible work, thank you
Nice channel nice graphics not too overwhelming and clear simple narration 🤘
Why do you low views? Such a high quality video like this doesn't deserve this screw youtube algorithm i gusss
Great video! I just discovered this channel.
I don't know why, but it reminds me of tno for some reason.
Great video, bringing attention to an obscure and overlooked kingdom, its people, and its culture. I’m so happy to finally be informed on a topic that has close to no coverage on the internet. Say, what is the next video going to be about?
The next video will cover the reign of emperor Constans II. The topic of the next standalone video, for its part, will be voted by supporters on Patreon.
your videos are insane, you deserve more subs
Keep going your channel is absolutely wonderful!
Thanks a lot
@@ancientsight can you add more videos on your french-speaking channel?
@@tudor737 I'm considering doing that. I will try it out again fairly soon and continue if it is worth it. Videos are time consuming to make.
Subbed my man
Awesome channel! Fascinating period in History
Awesome video
Excellent video
For a split second the thumbnail looked like Egypt. The blue territory of the franks looked like the sea.
I can't unsee it now
def subscribing without a doubt
Well done! Always an underrated time in History. The transition from late Roman Empire to early miedeval Europe is a very interesting period. 👌
Thanks so much for this video. It's the first time I see a so complete and acurate video on this subject. I'm from Vienne and I'm ashame there is no french video as good as your. I will check all your videos.
I just want to thank you for making a video on the kingdoms and ongoings of this time period, it is incredibly stale and boring when trying to find information on this particular place and time and I am very grateful that someone finnaly covers it in an entertaining and informative way with good research and proper context 🙏 hope your small channel will grow, you deserve it! And hopefully you'll make a video about the Franks too in particular with all the inheritance shenanigans going on there, would definitly love to see it 🙏 anyhow, just thank you
Thanks a lot, appreciate it ! Yes, the Franks and other germanic kingdoms are on the radar
this is awesome!!! I need more lol!!!
finaly!!!!!!!!! being waiting for a burgundian video since i retired and became addicted to youtube 😁😁😁
When Burgundia resurfaced in the Middle Ages, it looked almost like Burgundia is on its first step to become one of the major powers in Europe. And when it did gain de facto independence from France, it entered into an alliance with the Habsburg of Austria. Sadly, Duchess Mary died before her time. If not, then Burgandy will survived much longer, maybe even into nowadays. But if she did survive, then her son with Maximilian will most likely become the Duke of Burgundy instead of the King of Castile unless he still married Queen Joanna of Castile like in our timeline. Sure, this means the Habsburg get to rule Austria, Castile and Burgundy if that happened. And that will terrified the heck out of the King of France for sure because with ports from both Spain and the Low Countries in Burgundy, the Habsburg can surround France by both on lands and by seas. Not to mention that this development also allowed the Habsburg to rule the Atlantic Ocean and possibly, colonize more territories in the New World than in our timeline. So King Francis might become more tolerant of the Protestant faith and may resort to asking his sister, Magaret who became the Queen of Navarre by marriage, for the refuge of the Huguenots in her husband's country when the Affair of the Placards happened and even encourage the Huguenots to colonize and claim territories in the New World on behalf of the King of France to counter the Habsburg's influence. As a result, Navarre entered into an alliance with France and became the buffer state between France and the Habsburg Spain and a large portion of the Huguenots left for the New World to expand France's territories overseas. However, this does not diminish the Habsburg's powers. Instead, they might resorted to unifying the German lands under the Habsburg banner much earlier in order to gain resources and manpower. However, the local Lutheran German rulers are not happy with this and will most likely either fled their domains or ask for the Protestant nations to intervene. And with England recently became the Protestant nation for political reasons and also because Sweden was engaged in a war for independence from Denmark-Norway, they will most likely asked King Henry VIII for an intervention. Seeing his chance to spread his influence, he might take it. However, this means leaving the northern frontiers of England to become vulnerable to raids by the Scots. Since neither options worked, they formed an anti-Habsburg alliance to resist the troops of King Charles' advance and his relatives. I have no idea how will that war ended. So this is as far as I can go.
Do you have 1000hrs in EU4 sir?
@@jankubiak3218 Nope. I came up with this on my own.
@@lerneanlion That's a big butterfly effect.
Man I play too much EUIV that I know what you’re talking about.
Incredibly detailed history. Love this. To carry on: Burgundy survived as a Duchy until the 15th century, making it one of the oldest in Europe. It has enabled the Low Countries to become a world power in its wake, rivaling French dominance.
youtube algorithm brought me here but the presentation keeps me here.. very insightful, always enjoyed history
Perfect❤
Just discovered this treasure of channel. Thanks! I love the obscure or unknown history of the Germanic tribes transforming into the European kingdoms of later.
Very good!
New subscriber here, I love the detail to which you cover this obscure content, it’s excellent. I have to ask, will you ever post videos on other Roman foes such as Dacia? Or maybe over post-Roman kingdoms in Brittania such as Mercia/Northumbria?
That's a possibility
@@ancientsight oh man, that’s great to hear
Great video and channel sadly underrated.
You are filling in the gaps in my knowledge
bravo!
So happy the algorithm recommended this. I love
Very interesting. I have tried reading up on the history of the Burgundians, and it's not easy. I knew the broad outlines but enjoyed the greater detail.
Yes indeed, reading the history of this kingdom through ancient sources can be chaotic since there is no proper narrative story like a "History of the Burgundians" or something. If you can read french, there is a detailed modern book of everything we know of early Burgundian History and Archeology : "Katalin ESCHER, Les Burgondes Ve-VIe siècles apr. J.-C.: Errance & Picard; 2021".
@@ancientsight My interest was mainly in the later Burgundian state, and there are a fair number of books about that. But that lead on to this earlier one, and the details were not available.
My interest came from the novel "Ash: A Secret History" by Mary Gentle, which exploits this fragmentary record to present Burgundy as a place that was erased from reality.
Ohh yeahhhh. The best French content creator since Toecqville
What an epic reference
Enjoying the video so far, but you reached Worms and didn't mention Emperor Probus sending them to Britain in 278 where they ended in Silchester in Hampshire. From here they served the Emperor against insurrections in Britain according to Zosimus. You also cut out all the cool mythical stuff about them. Lets back up a minute. The Burgundians are first of all the most famous Dwarves or Dark Elves of Germanic mythology. They descend from the Alfheim, a historic region in Sweden where the Ynglings ruled. From here they went to Bornholm then entered Poland where the Myrkvidr runs through into Ukraine. This is likely the home of the Myrkalfar, Dokkalfar, or Svartalfar. Likely being the Svartalfheim. They are defeated by Goths and then from here they went to the Rhine where they were defeated by Probus. Then sent to England, where after they then entered south down the Rhine through the Netherlands, which is a translation of Nidavellir. Which in Old English was Nithawald, or Netherforest. Though Vellir has a broader land definition than forest, so Netherlands is a faithful translation. This makes Britain, Niflheim. The Island of Mist located just North of Nidavellir in the Saga's. From Worms at the Rhine they are then moved into France-Gaul. Here they are now in Midgard, Mannheim, or Valland. Mediterranean literally translates into Middle Earth. Some of the other locations include Asgard and Vanaheim which Snorri points out as being East and West of the Don River by the Black Sea. Professor Tolkien links Ethiopia to Muspelheim in his Essay on Sigelwara land. Leaving the Jotunheim, said to be North East of the Alfheim in the Saga's, making it Finland. This helps explain the later myths of the Niflung saga, or the Nibelungenlied. Once they moved into Valland they began to speak an Oil Language rather than their East Germanic Language, making them "Foreigners" to the Deutch/Dutch people. The Root in Val can be found in Wallachia, Wales and Cornwall among other places. While Deutch and Dutch mean "of the people/nation" in reference to the (West) Germanic peoples. As the Germanic peoples did have a sense of a collective culture, even with different kings and kingdoms. The Burgundians went from one of the people to one of the enemy. Hence their poor portrayal in the myths. Though they were renowned crafts man and had hordes of riches. One such horde was recently discovered and had gold coins from Byzantium. Showing they were playing all sides to their advantage. East Romans, West Romans, and their own peoples. They would have had a lot of interactions with the Saxons dating back to Britain going up through to Brunhilda of Austrasia.
Niceeee job
i recently discovered that my dna is 18% scandinavian while i am italian with a french grandfather. turns out my blond granpa was from Golbey, close to bourogne. those guys truly kept their nordic heritage until these days 😮
Golbey is in Lorraine but yeah, eastern France (Lorraine + the Ardennes + Bourgogne + Franche Comté) is where you'll find lighter phenotypes among the natives
Can’t wait for you to cover a video of John i tzmiskies & Constantine V barely have much coverage of the two
Marvelous job! TY very much to show some of the deep & mysterious part of the history and birth of France!
Yoooo u got 4.76k subs
What a wonderful video! You did make a mistake with Marseilles, it was taken by Gundobad bad in late 490s, in 501, Gundobad gave it back to Alaric, in exchange of military support which allowed him to defeat his brother. Granted, it was the same mistake I made with my video, because most maps are wrong about the subject matter.
1:38 is that Siegefried of Xanten from the "Song of the Nibelungs?"
From my sources, Gundahar has inspired characters from germanic epics such as the Nibelungenlied. The man in the painting would be one of his representations from one of these poems.
Ayy Bornholm represent!
The last reminiscence of this Burgandian kingdom was in the XIV-XVe century, with the Duchy of Bourgogne (french name of burgundy). The ducal house was part of the french royal family (the Valois at this time), and took advantages of the Hundred years wars to make their duche an independant kingdom, reclaiming lands and heritage of this old burgandian kingdom. At this difficult time for France, it became one of the europeansuperpower. It was crushed by the french king Louis XI and the Swiss Confederacy, killing the duc Charles the temeraire (you don't have a translation for this word in english) at the battle of Nancy, in 1477.
Very cool video you did, and very good to have such interesting barbaric tribes put in light, as they modeled the Europe we know now.
Thanks for the meal bg
Thanks bg
As a descendant of Chrotechildis Franklin a well researched video. Any chance of you doing a video of Childeric King of the Salian Franks or his son Merovich who gave his name to the Mervingian dynasty. Gotfried Alamannen is also a great but missing person from history. But my personal favourite is Cerdic of the West Saxons.
And today, Borgogna is most renowned for their wine!🍷
What is the background music at the end?
I'll hadd the music crédits by Sunday
It is "Highlands" by Philip Ayers. It is a slightly alterated version of the song you can only find on Epidemic Sound. The CZcams version is here : czcams.com/video/eMMMqoO3Xsk/video.html
@@ancientsight thank you
What a great video, I knew almost nothing about history just after the fall of western rome, perhaps you Will cover other barbarian kingdoms Such as odoacer and ostrogothic kingdom in the future.
Yes, in fact, I am currently making the Ostrogothic Kingdom video
Looking at harnasses and clothes in musea, it looks like the Burgundians were taller than other tribes. Is there any record of that before 800?
Archeological evidence (compiled in Katalin Escher's book "Les Burgondes") suggests that they weren't taller than the local population on average, however they had some exceptionally tall specimens, like one Burgundian man who was found to be 196cm (6'5).
@@Tanargue0 OK. They were of east-german-south polish origin. It may be that the elites were taller, like they are often today unless they dally with common girls who tend to be smaller. So, by marrying their own kin, the children would be considerably taller. If you can, have a look at the military museum in Les Invalides in Paris and ask for Burgundian harnesses.
wait poland was germanic back then???
Germanic like peoples yes
Central Europe was always weird ethnically. In this period, there was apparently a lot of migration from Scandinavia towards the South. The Burgundians themselves were originally from Bornholm, the Cimbri and Teutons from Jutland.
Then at a later point you have clear Slavic majorities on the southern coast of the Baltic Sea, including what is now East Germany all the way almost to Hamburg.
And then during the middle ages, there's again a big migration of Germans towards the East, settling much of what is now Poland.
And then of course the Soviets forcefully resettled the eastern Poles in areas they had ethnically cleansed of Germans after World War 2.
A really chaotic area that shows very well how little meaning the idea of people being native to a region can have.
Yes, Slavs arrived in the 6th-7th centuries. Modern Poles are a mix of pre-slavic celto-germanic peoples and slavic newcomers.
I would recommend not citing Wikipedia, but looking at what articles they cite for their claims & what those contain, then list those sources as having been used. It's not just people looking down on Wiki, but "Wikipedia" itself is genuinely not the author of what is written on it. Looking at their sources also helps covering more detail (or finding mistakes).
Burgundy can stretch from the Mediterranean to the lowlands
was there like a different city called vienna or is this map weird af?
Yes, there is a city named "Vienna" in France. Same name as the Austrian capital but really a different place
Personally, i think Ricimer was holding the empire together on his own. I would love to see a video on him alone.
Interesting take
Question: by the time of Frankish conquest and start of middle age just how Burgundian see themselves as "Burgundians"? Like the concept of Burgundy was subject of obsession for house of Valois-Burgundy to create a strong state between HRE and France while the dynasty itself always see themselves as "children of Franks", were they could be counted as Burgundians or French?
I am no professionnal scholar but here is what I I know. Before the Frankish conquest, the Burgundian elite clearly saw itself different from the Franks. As much as two germanic tribes could be. However the local roman population did not have a Burgundian or Frankish identity.
Later, under Frankish rule, part of the Burgundian nobility would have remained in place for some time. It seems that king of Frankish Burgundy Guntram did want to take advantage of any Burgundian identity among the local elites to legitimize his power.
I do not know much about the Carolingian period and I cannot tell you if a Burgundian elite still persisted or if even the population became Burgundian in a sense. What is clear is that the Merovingian and Carolingian era Burgundy were geographicaly well positioned to be a coherent political entity, being between Alps and "Massif central" and centered on the Rhone valley.
Late middle Ages version of Burgundy may have possessed some kind of regional identity. However, we must not forget that it was the trend of this era to centralize power in strong disinct kingdoms.
The final answer is even more complicated by the fact that early Burgundy was centered on the Rhone valley (south) while latter Burgundy was centered on modern Burgundy (Dijon, Besançon) but also included parts of Belgium and Low countries (north).
I hope this gives you some useful information
@@ancientsight thank you very much for your answer.
Can anyone provide me resources on where to research Burgundian origins? It's really hard to find anything concrete on Bornholm, (aside from OId Norse Bornholm means Island of Burgundians) and why they would leave Bornholm. I'm so interested in entire culture groups migrating, but I would never have guesses the Burgundians began in Bornholm!
Why would I learn about fictitious lore on fantasy settings when we have real life history?
Do a franks video and the tensions between byzantine empre vs holy roman empire as legit successor of rome
In the late medieval era , the duchy of Burgundy still existed as an entity, being allied with the English, against France in the hundred years war.
who was the real last roman emperor in your opinion?
For me, a roman emperor is a roman emperor regardless of his success, but only if he has legitimacy and is operating under the roman legal framework. I will go for Julius Nepos for the west because he was recognized by the eastern court but also formally by Odoacer. Technically, Romulus Augustulus was no more than a usurper.
Good! But your sources are not clear!
TNO reference?
No, what is it?
@@ancientsight They're referencing a Hearts of Iron 4 mod, that has a nation known as, Ordensstaat Burgundy. The mod is "The New Order: Last Days of Europe"
@@kmsbiscuit1178 Ok thanks, did not know about that
And don't forget the wine 🍷 😊
So the ostrogothic kingdom was really a continuation of the roman empire, it did not have a new germanic influx, just an ostrogoth was the successor. Isn't it?
As far as I know, the Ostrogothic elite under Theodoric settled around Ravenna and the Po valley. Like the other germanic kingdoms, the elite was broadly Arian christian and did not integrate with the locals. I'm not sure however
Most probably, Italy was the region of the western empire where the roman cities remained the most in use and the institutions were most preserved
The first monarcs of Portugal came from French Burgundy.
The island of Bornholm is named after them or vice versa.
For the algorithm
you flemish or french ?
French
gamer state
Cuillère?!? CUILLERE!!!!!!
Ils ont une culture les Burgondes ?
Imagine people calling you around as Ostrogotha 😅
Heil the Burgundian system
STRENG GEHEIM
when is the next byzantine vid?
I would say in about a week ans a half. It should have been already done but my hard drive died. Oh well
@@ancientsight No worries. Take as much time as you need.
Came here from Age of Empires
That cavalier upgrade available in Castle Age hits hard
Is that a.......TNO reference?
Omg guys is that a tno reference
Oh so burgundy kingdom is Switzerland !
The young Swiss Confederacy defeated the last independent Burgundian state in the 15th century. In a way Switzerland is successor to the Alemanni in the German-speaking part and the Gallo-Roman Burgundians in the French-speaking part.
The ancient black sun
TNO
It's an interesting video but the accent is awful in my ears.
Thank you for that feedback, that is useful for me. I'm working on my accent to provide better quality content
Im expecting TNO users in this comment
There are quite a few indeed
As a passionate of History, I developed a total hatred for my European heritage and most of all of christianity.
Sucks for you. Our heritage is rich and Christianity was a unique factor in the unifying so many cultures before countries and nationalism developed
Christianity destroyed cultures and civilizations. It is a religion preaching ignorance and stupidity. @@hugosophy
By that logic, you should hate pretty much every single country and religion out there. I see what you mean, though.
Why? Seen from a confortable distance of 1500 years, this is quite enjoyable actually. Like "game of thrones" without the dragons...
Burgundians come from Poland. LOL! Just like half of the Gothic population. Today's Poles, especially in the lands the Burgundians have live in have been genetically proven to be direct descendants and even have more Burgundian DNA than the areas we associate Burgundians to today.
Brain Damage?!?!
@@user-ts1nx1to8h Snowflake?
There is not Burgundian dna bc Burgundian is not an adjective meant to indicate a specific pheno/genotype, and Burgundian people, then or now, are the result of different groups of people mixing together. The Burgundians = people of Bourgogne (historical and cultural region in France) are descendants of gallo-romans, franks, and a little bit of Burgundians from the Baltic region
STRENG GEHEIM