Avatar The Way Of Water 4K Blu-ray Review on 100 GIGS! Does Size Matter?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 14. 06. 2023
- Shane reviews Avatar 2 The Way Of Water in 4K bluray in Dolby Atmos. Is it the best 4k version out there?
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James Cameron has never been a fan of conspicuous audio panning and directional effects. Way back in the T2 days he talked about how he hates panning and prefers a less self-conscious, more ambient approach to his surround mixes. Whatâs happening with Avatar 2âs Atmos mix is in line with what heâs done for decades.
Shane, I love you, bro. You always have access to the new movies and are transparent about the audio and video quality of films. Thank you! I'm definitely picking up my copy!
great review! I also love when the actual 4k disc gets the review since thats how most of us will be purchasing it
Can't wait to get the 4K steelbook... I'm sure it's going to look fabulous on my G2.
Disappointing BD release, Disney never fails to disappoint
To be honest as much as Iâve double dipped on Avatar: The Way Of Water i would say Iâm more excited for the 3D Blu-ray than the 4K
me too
They need to come out with a new bigger disc that can store 4K 3D HDR HFR, or 8K hdr or just regular 4k or 2k to fit a trilogy or something. I suggest they call it gold ray and not 8k bluray because then people will expect all the content to be 8k on it which is stupid.
â ââ ââ @@davidhrzenjak As much as I like physical media, I think weâre approaching the handoff to digital. It doesnât make sense to develop new disc technologies when thereâs already so much storage capacity available for a digital release. Yes, digital does not surpass physical mediaâs quality, but thatâs more of a studio choice and not a limitation of the format. Digital is the future-sorry there wonât be any gold ray.
Same, 3D is the way to go on this one.
Of course, if you want the best of the best two 100GB discs would have been the way to go.
But fear not, just go for the 3D Blu version; the way it was intended to be viewed.
I doubt that you'll miss much on the audio front.
Thanks for the review Shane, I think I'll hold off for now and wait for a sale on this one!
Agreed. I was expecting 100g, but turned out it is just 80+. The sound is medicore. I also noticed the DTS HD track in some scenes even presents a bit more clarity than the Atmos track
The vision Pro Apple headsett had a demo of the avatar movie in 3D, and its better 3D cause its actually two pictured instead of 2 intertwined pictures that are in eachother đ
Thanks for review.
Thanks for the review. I was really hoping we'd get that HFR but oh well
Great Review Shane. Definitely wouldâve took this split up between two discs. More data intact is always welcome. One day Disney will get their audio mixes together⊠maybe lol
Disney fixing their audio is like hoping the plumbing on the titanic will be fixed one day
@@theheadsn plumbing had nothing to do with the Titanic, so kind of a silly comment... Now if you mentioned Carnival fixing the plumbing on the Poop Cruise. then....
@@MichelleAlexandria-EM you're right it has nothing to do with it. Crazy how you could get what I was saying but not understand what I meant lol disney couldn't care less about physical media, let alone the audio aspect of it. The company as a whole is in turmoil financially, as well as not having anyone currently in place to right the ship. So like my comment, you could actively show them how to fix the problem with their underwhelming audio, but no one is going to care as the ships taking on water...
When sub par audio mixes hurt their revenue, it will change. Since we are in the 1% that care, don't count on it.
@@SWATTECHNOLOGIES exactly. And with how disney loves burning money and not getting a return, dont expect this to be anywhere near the top of the "list of things to fix" lol
Thanks for the 4K Blu Ray review Shane!
It sounds like the disc ended up being what I hoped for considering it's a Disney release. Is there any chance we can get a 3D review? That's the release of The Way of Water that has me most curious and excited.
Great looking on the pani so dolby vison would have been cool but not necessary. But the Audio punch was a bit lack luster. had to crank it up higher than usual to get the same space filling sound.
like i already. The dolby atmos mix at the dolby cinema theater at my northpoint AMC theater in Georgia I thought was terrific!
A pretty faithful and transparent representation of the theatrical mix. I'm just glad there's a 3d mix. You can goose the audio all you want for more enjoyment but 3d is a rare, unique experience at home
Which still means it was crap.
Crosstalk and too dark with active shutter glasses
â@@lawrence09151This 3D movie is meant to be watched on an OLED VR headset or a 3D-capable projector like the AWOL Vision LTV-3500.
I would have preferred it being on two discs to maintain the highest video quality, but at least they used 100 GB disc. I didn't go see it at the theater, and I have not watched it on streaming, so next Tuesday will be the very first time I see an experience the movie.
Seeing the movie at the theater in dolby cinema 3D is most of the experience.
Bingo!
You really missed out man. Seeing this in IMAX 3D was amazing
@@loganastrup6870 I bet!
@@Dma118 I've been working to massively upgrade my home cinema the past few years, so I'll have a very good experience at home... Unfortunately the 3D kit that I bought for my JVC projector didn't work, and I haven't ordered another one yet.
I am beyond excited for your 3D review!
Put on a the UHD last night with a couple of buds, and Iâm not gonna lie, the renders for most animals, like the giant whale chase scene, felt very off, like they werenât completely done rendering, me and one other guy watched it in theaters, and heâs a pretty casual movie goer, and even he noticed something was off (with my tech friend and I, nerding out about it all lol), but yeah, de renders just felt off, like something that needed touch up in post, like they accidentally sent out the unfinished version of the movie. Could also be the compression but even so, it shouldnât look that much worse right? (Also, two disc!! But hey, maybe the UHD successor will get it right, right?
Hey Shane, great video. First, let me say I appreciate your channel and coverage of various 4K UHD Blu-ray releases and equipment. I've been an amateur home theater fan since the days of VHS. When DVD came along in 1996, I was a Manager for BLOCKBUSTER MUSIC. Part of my responsibilities was ordering for the store and all special orders, music, and video(VHS mostly) I had been reading up on DVD and how it was going probably replace VHS and it did when it finally took off and more studios, electronics manufacturers started manufacturing DVD players. Back then, they had an MSRP of $500-$600 dollars. My first DVD player was a PANASONIC. At the time, WARNER BROTHERS had the most releases around 10-15 titles. I told my STORE MANAGER that we should order what's available because I'm certain they'll sell. Sure enough, they did, now my store was located on the north side of Indianapolis, and lets just say people had money for early adaptors. Fast forward many years later DVD took off and then Blu-ray came out thanks to SONY and the PS3 helped sales big time. I thought that's it we will never see anything better than Blu-ray, and at the time, everything I read was showing wouldn't be sinking time and money into developing a new format. Get to 2015 and 4K UHD comes along and I was totally shocked. My question is why would a company like DISNEY want to put out something subpar on 4K UHD Blu-Ray Disc? Honestly physical media is not dying anytime soon in my opinion. Look how many studios are remastering catalog classic films. Films that if they don't preserve them they'll be lost forever. I feel with SONY and XBOX next-gen consoles, having options to choose either have a disc drive or not will help keep 4K UHD Blu-ray discs alive for some time. Plus, consumers have options with the 4K UHD Blu-Ray players out on the market. Even when physical media dies out it will remain a niche market for collectors and fans. Let me know what you think. Thanks again.
HmmmâŠmakes me think I need to finally consider Kaleidescape⊠đ€
Arnie says, Do it. Do it now.
This kind of review is very pro and detail. Nobody has it. We must keep it on going.
Thanks Shane.
Hi, thanks for the review. Can you review the Avatar 2009 UHD blu ray too? That would be awesome
Regarding the video file space I am bummed. Just picked up a Sony X95L and was looking forward to this. I know you said that the video was still very good but could be possibly better if they had used more file space or 2 discs. Well, poo.
I think it's time the BDA looks into bumping the bluray spec a bit. Future proofing and adding features we've been asking for.
Wishful thinking. The players' specs are fixed and so no changes can be made to the format. The BDA has also stated that 4k Blu-ray will be the LAST physical release format.
Dan Hitchman yeah I know lol. A man can dream
@@railerswim True.
Slightly inconsistent is that the 4k blu ray comes with Atmos audio, the standard blu ray has DTS-hd 5.1, the 3d blu ray has DTS-HD 7.1 audio. At least on the UK releases.
Waiting for that 3d review!!!
Waiting for your review on the 3D version.
It's hard to relate to a comparison of a Kaledescape version...because well, i,'d have to sell my car to get the system. As long as its better than the Disney+/vudu stream
Anybody know where I can find the amount of data on the "Avatar The Way Of Water 4K Blu-ray" disc. I see it described as a BD-100 disc, but where do I find the actual data size on any 4K UHD disc?
Hello Shane lee can you tell me wich software did you use in order to visualise the speakers dynamic changes please?
I go over it within the first 40 seconds of this video.
Ive been watching the HBO Max stream of this and the audio is surprisingly good for a Disney release. Definitely not a reference track, but at least the bass and volume aren't total garbage like the majority of the MCU films. Maybe Disney is finally getting the message?
I enjoy your content, I can't wait for the 3D review đ
Avatar 4k bluray release just after the fantastic John Wick 4 release. Dang Shane! You're gonna make me break into the old piggy bank and splurge on Kaleidescape. Now, if it was available on 4k 3D for home, and Kaleidescape and projector could display the image it would definitely be worth the splurge. Thanks Shane.
Really gutted James Cameron didnât force them to make this disc reference quality on picture and sound! đą It should be on 2 discs⊠but Iâm waiting for the 3D Blu Ray review please Shane!!! Thatâs the version Iâm going to buyâŠ
Wow, such a shame Bass is lacking. I'm used to the volume being low. But Damn, Disney dt care and neither do I. So, no need to rush out to get the 4k....
Is this scope friendly or will I have to watch it in 1.85ish? I have a scope screen and JVC NX7 for masking. I donât know if this was shown in scope in some theaters.
I would try scoped. If that ain't working,then go for the open-matte 1.85 aspect ratio.
On Kaleidescape, it's 125GB in 1080p and 103GB in 4K. I assume the 1080p is larger because of H.264 vs. H.265.
4K 3D projectors have been available for years, and VR is beginning to support 4K video with the Apple Vision Pro, so we need a 4K 3D digital movie service.
There's extras with the 1080p.
Disney is so toxic with physical media. Theyâre like that Ex that treats you like crap, but you keep coming back with hopes that they will eventually treat you better đ
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Cocky bastards đ
I would love to see Blueray HFR for some movies as Avatar, Interestellar...
Why for Interstellar?
Why for any movie? barf
@@RandomPickles these movies are amazing, and sure HFR makes the image even better..
@@CraneckScape ugh I hate today. Movies are dead.
@@RandomPickles they are for you, not for me.
Could someone please tell me if the normal 1080p Bluray looks better than on Disney+?
Excellent review. I subbed
When cn I watch avatar movie in television?
@Shanelee, thanks for the review. Do you know the bitrate difference between the Kaleidescape and 4K disc version? I hear the 4K disc only is around 45mbps đą
Thank you, nice review. I am still a little confused on the conclusion. Are you saying that the Disney streaming offers a better overall quality compared to the blue ray due to less compression and Dolby vision ? Thank you
The 4k disc is better than the streaming version because you are still getting a really low video bitrate and lossy audio through streaming. The overall peak HDR levels are practically SDR with this release anyway so Dolby Vision metadata wouldn't add many benefits over the HDR10 version.
So how much better with the sound quality be versus listening to it on HBO Max?
HBO Max would sound worse due to the highly compressed lossy audio.
Dolby vision is coming on december 19. Phrase re-review the New disc !
Which version has dolby vision?
They should have used 2 discs. - will you be doing the 4K for the original Avatar too?
Would rather they split the discs. Both 4k and 3d.
Getting so close to 100K subscribers â€â€
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66.67 GB without all the extras and foreign dub languages
Yep, same as heat and endgame , 43mb bitrate, what a joke
I certainly would have preferred a two-disc arrangement. Most people need to stop the movie at some point anyhow to use the rest room or grab more snacks and drinks. Intermissions used to be the perfect way to address the run-time of long films, but today movie houses expect you to sit for hours without a break, or miss part of the movie. That's why, I built my own home theater. I control everything, and they can go suck it.
good review, please review John Wick 4 on 4k disc. It is a 100gig disc. Would like to see how the disc is versus the streaming version you previously reviewed.
Glad its a good transfer. Bummer Double disc would be my preference. I would have combined them into one file using MKV ToolNix like I did for LOTR3 going to 127GB.
Its possible to just tie it without compression??
I preordered the 3D version, I can wait and pick up the 4Ks of both movies, are you doing to review the 3D?
Remux version comes in at 70gb but no Dv and I think scenes with cgi and real person needed some work and I felt the dialogue was very quiet had to up the speakers ok that but still looked clean and crisp in most parts
Please also make a similar video for bluray version of movies too or at review the bluray added disc. I think I would be interesting. Some people have older projection
Great review Shane. Pretty much what I was expecting given Disney is behind the production and the length of the film. This is where KScape wins out, with movies like Avatar that are very long in runtime.
Just had a kscaoe training, and itâs interesting that the audio between 4k disc and kscape are always identical. Itâs the video that changes. One day itâll be better
It won't because KScape has to follow industry consumer standards to maintain compatibility with the gear that is produced. The audio is crappy because of Disney, not because of the Atmos format, which is capable of a lot better results. It takes QUALITY MIXERS, which Disney does not seem to hire.
I was gonna say the same thing 2:20
NGL i was reallly underwhelmed with the visuals on A2...
yes the movie is crisp as fuck with amazing animations..BUT there was none of those good old HDR colour popping scenes.
for reference i have a LG G2 OLED
Avatar: The Way of Water would've been look and sound better in 4K UHD BluRay if it was a Warner Bros. Home Video release...
Warner Bros. Home Video has always been consistently great at transferring high quality video and audio...
Rant.............. 23 inch B&W TV. One speaker........................... some are so spoiled today. I'm not crying for you at all.
Great review. I'm probably not as big a fan as 4K as many of other people are, but I can acknowledge when it's done right. I was pretty curious to see how Avatar 1 & 2 would appear on 4K being as how their almost entirely digital. I'm glad to hear it's great, though, and that this disc is worth picking up. It's a little disappointing to hear it's not quite as clear as the streaming version. But still, it might be worth getting it on 4K Blu-ray just so you can straight up own the film. Nice hearing your thoughts on this and I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the 3D Blu-ray version when it gets released (which no doubt will be my definitive way to watch it).
Your wrong. The 4k disc is better than the streaming version. The kaleidoscape version is a tad sharper than the 4k disc.
Streaming version sucks. 4k disk is so much better.
@@dominus519 No, "your wrong". Its actually *You're*
@@stevemuzak8526 Have you seen the film on the 4K disc yet?
It's not really taking advantage of the 100 GB space. The bitrate is still fairly low and the file size is not filling up the space by quite a bit. Disney screws up again.
And as is customary with Disney, no Dolby Vision on the home release even though, on the streaming platforms, it is shown in DV.
Strategy
I love this movie to the point where I saw it seven times in theaters both in Dolby Cinema and IMAX. But I'm being completely honest when I say that I have little interest in watching it again unless it is in it's true 48fps form. I feel like I'm not really watching the movie unless it's in the original frame rate. I'm extremely disappointed that this was not included in the 4k disk.
It's much better at low frame rate, couldn't even see wat was happening in theatre with the constant switching
@geert574 I personally disagree. I felt that the high frame rate looked incredible in Dolby Cinema and IMAX Laser. It just feels like I'm not really watching the movie at 24 fps. Almost like I'm just watching a trailer or a bootlegged version.
@@geert574 48 fps best
@@geert574 Higher framerate makes it a lot easier to see whats happening. Thats kinda the whole point of hfr.
Just checked the 3D version. It is very decent to my eyes, brings a much more enjoyable experience than the 4K version. It has 2 discs just for the movies, and looks like each disc has 40g on it. Compared to the cinema version in my memory? maybe just lack of a bit color and sharpness. This 3D version trumps the 4K easily, imo
singel disc
What is Kaladascape you keep mentioning?? Never heard of it here in Australia
It's an extremely expensive, closed-loop home NAS server, download service. Similar in AV quality to a disc.
This is a "bad" version, it is impossible to rip a 4k bluray in 4k quality, "removing the audios" if you rip the bluray, it is a 50 gigabyte movie, as is it possible for a 3 hour movie in uhd(4k) It only occupies 50 gigabytes, when that is the size of any 2-hour 4k movie. ".. they should have done it like BLURAY 3D split it into 2 discs and of higher quality. But of course 2 blurays of 100 gigabytes would be more expensive for the distribution
Why the heck would Cameron accept a supar Disneyfied audio mix on disc? Weird. Weird. Weird.
Because Cameron rarely supervises the home video release as strange as that may sound. He okays whether or not it gets released to home video in the first place. He only really cares about the theatrical release.
If Disney didnât have rights to this movie it wouldâve been better
I thought Disney letâs Cameron do whatever he wants. I donât think they really interfere
@@Dma118 Not entirely. Any other studio with common sense would have split Avatar The Way of Water across not one, but TWO 100 GB discs which would have uncompressed the image and improved the bit rate further.
â @@ScruffyWarlordI canât imagine Disney telling Cameron no, especially after he just made them another 2 billion. He might just not care đą
@@ScruffyWarlord 99.999% of your average disc buying public wouldn't notice the 'compression' issues Shane spoke about...or care even... It doesn't warrant Disney's investment to split the discs. Business sense.
@@ScruffyWarlord most people donât want to switch discs so not really. ZS Justice League works with two discs because itâs already split into parts
I never thought it sounded that great when it streamed in Atmos.
Crazy that Dolby vision is on streams instead of disks. Shame.
If itâs only a very minimal loss in detail to go from 2 discs to 1, Iâll take that. Itâs annoying getting up to flip discs
*I wish it was 16:9 like the first avatar movie for maximum immersion. It fills the screen completely.*
Definitely won't be picking the first one up due to the lack of extended cut, missing special features, 2K upscaled cgi etc. but this one looks good.. thank you as always for a great review!
Atmouse strikes againđđ
Odd that they wont even fill the disc when they bother to use 100gb
This is Disney. Quality is job #100.
I watched the stream, thought it looked great. Will pick up the Blu-ray, wish the disc had DV, but Disney is going to Disney.
I hate all disney mixes. They sound compressed with no bass and dynamics
No matter what, physical media is always better
Think you gotta start reviewing the DTS cuz most Disney DTS have higher reviews than the atmos lol
It's not the format, it's the lack of quality sound mixes by Disney.
Is this the first 4k 3d movie?
There's no such thing as 4K 3D.
â@@joeyyung911 there is some 4k 3D content made by enthusiasts but no moviesđą
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Shane started the video stating it was shot in 4k 3d. So what was it shot at according to you?
This was not 4k 3D. It was AI uprezzed from the 2k files.
Time for BEQ!!
Disney finally broke the 66GB disc cult! I bet James Cameron use all his will power to force Disney doing so
The space was pretty much given to extra audio tracks. The average video bitrate was fairly low and the file size shows that even with the added soundtracks almost 15% of the disc was left empty.
Disney could've used 100GB on the last two avengers and heat film but they refused to. Most of their transfers are upscaled than native, it's too obvious Disney doesn't care much about physical disc.
James Cameron must've convince Disney to use 100GB disc.
Is there any other film by disney that used 100GB beside avatar? I can't think of any
@@mi3rebus These two Avatar films are the first.
3D disk review coming soon?
That's the plan đ
What is Cloud escape?
Imagine being Cameron, spending years working in this movie then Disney release a static audio mix. Thank god the disk is BD100
What is going on with all these sub par Atmos releases? No real use of height channels, no real deep bass. I don't get it.
It's Disney.
Curious as to how it compares to Disney+ It looks average on Disney+
The 4k disc will look better, but the transfer doesn't have HDR pop because Cameron didn't want high nit peaks of brightness.
I'm starting to notice that unless these movies...
Meet your high standard of quality of sound & picture on your klidiscop...
The movie gets a less then worthy recommendation from you...
It's like you're saying there is no sense in buying Blu-ray because 4K is better...
Shane, you are out doing yourself with your upscale technology,
And it is hurting your reviews.... đ
It's not about how good the movie is...
It's not about how good the picture is...
It's not about how good the sound is...
IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW GOOD IT PLAYS ON YOUR OWN EQUIPMENT...
I feel that instead of you give us a review..
These days, it seems you're just ranting & complaining about the movie because it doesn't meet your high standards on your high-end equipment...
I have a pretty good high-tech monster cave myself & and it depends on how you adjust to different formats. Most of my 4K Blu-ray movies look & sound great...
So I guess what I'm trying to say is your movie reviews are useless to me anymore...
There are other channels out there that have less than capable systems such as yours that will give you the results you seek. Mine will show short comings that I speak of. Seems like you don't need to partake in this channel any more. Thanks for watching.
Its not like disney doesn't know this. So why do they keep having these weak audio track
Its flat out shameful
They have so many classic movies that deserve a more lively audio track.
Could you do a re review of The Revenant in 4K? Your other review of it is only 37 seconds long đą
No Dolby vision was a straight pass for me.
The sound was pretty shait...I give it a 5-6 mostly ambiance. Visuals is ok but the film itself was pretty meh...awaiting no. 3 to see if it is more entertaining.