[2b] Derailment of Local CSX Train in Carlton GA, CSX Abbeville Sub, 05/05/2016 ©mbmars01
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- On May 5th, 2016, at about 1pm, the last of two grain cars of the local train CSX A749 topples over in a curve in Carlton, GA. The train came from the feed mill in Comer GA. The video shows how RJ Corman, a company specialized on derailment operations, secures the car by toppling it to the other side of the track. [© 2016 MBMARS Productions. Exclusive rights for CZcams channel "mbmars01" only.]
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Great videos - no other videos show the informational detail. Keep producing-will keep watching.
+norman mckenzie Thank you very much!
Shows what happens when somebody is raised to his highest level of incompetence. The supervisor knew nothing about leverage or balance. Could have been righted and set on the trucks one end at a time, Destroyed a rail car and kept the line closed longer than necessary. Hope a higher up saw this fiasco.
Judging by RJGorman representative's Gung-Ho approach earlier on using these inadequate Catterpillar 're-railing runabouts' (which had no stabilisers or outriggers to give support) in a railway cutting, I fore-saw what would assuredly happen at 24:14 to that expensive grain car. Aren't they fortunate to be still alive? AND not being required to pay for their incompetence. I agree with all Geoffrey Kail says.
I concur. There was the truck, all ready to receive the car, but no, topple it over.
I thought I was the only one that thought they were doing this wrong. Long time to flip one car over
I work for RJ Corman, Billings Montana division and I can assure you this wasn't our guys decision. We are simply contractors and do what the railroad EIC tells us to do.
It seems they were trying to move the car across the track without destroying the track. That way once it clears they can let traffic through that has been waiting. All in all, could have just dragged it right across, replaced one section of track, quicker.
Nice job getting all that great footage. Nothing beats watching how they cleanup a derailment just to get the trains moving back through.
+Darrell Twitty Thank you very much. Being a true railfan, I do not like to see accidents like this, but to watch the cleanup with heavy equipment is indeed very interesting.
I agree
Mic only
Thanks! I could watch this all day long. Amazing how many people think they could have done it better. Ha!
Thank you for watching. It was definitely an interesting operation. Given the very limited available space, I also don't think it could have been done better. The goal was to get the car out of the way from the inside of the curve and this they achieved after some trying.
Check out the link below. In fifteen minutes this crew had the car moved, set aside, and were looking at cleanup. In the video above, it took them an hour to haphazardly handle the same situation. Its worth mentioning, its the same company handling the mess, RJ Corman, using the same type of equipment.
czcams.com/video/H6DkK3CcPK4/video.html
This must've been R J Corman's ( B ) Team AKA the wrecking crew, >Joetrak
Dude, this is a great video!
Great you like it!
Great video. Cool shots. That’s strange for a local train to derail like that.
That was indeed unbelievable. Very strange incident, but it really happened lol
It's csx what do you expect 😆. They are just a derailment waiting to happen. I get nervous when I'm railfanning and see anything marked csx.
awesome footage!
Thank you! Glad you like it!
Another Great Video. Smyrna, Ga.
Thanks!
Wow that was Really Neat Great Video Thanks
+Brendan Flaherty Nice, thank you!
Awesome video keep up with a great work and be safe out there.
Cool, thanks a lot.
Great video.
Cool, thanks!
All in all, they did more damage to the car than the derailment did.
New set of wheels.a little Bondo and some paint it'll be good as new.
Car was totalled before they even uprighted it.
WOW!!! Talking about a very critical operation.
Looks like a tricky location. Excellent video.
+iusetano That's what it is. Thanks!
great video
+irishmanO1 Thank you!
Hi From the UK Love your Vids..and the Info captions...Stay Safe Covids about!!
Very cool, thanks very much! Stay safe, too!
I can't even figure out if the derailed car was loaded or empty. I didn't spot grain coming out of it. Does anyone here know?
How do you let it run out of fuel? Someone had some explaining to do
Nice catch
Thanks!
Nice! very cool!
+Daniel Kennedy Yeah, that was certainly a somewhat special event.
Better to of had the 583's instead of the 572's, That guy didnt know what the hell he was doing twisting and turning on the track!
One of them was a 583 and the Other was a 572 (RJ Cormans 572’s have 1-2 Extra Counterweights). While having a Pair of 583’s is better than 572’s, it really depends on the situation. You can do a Fair Amount of Work with a Pair of 572’s with the Right Conditions, in fact Many of the Derailment Contractors used 572’s for 60+ Years. Hulcher went to 583’s Only, while RJ Corman still has A LOT of CAT 572’s still around (some of them have been replaced with New Deere 850J/K’s with Midwestern 572’s), they are Nice for for Yard Jobs, ReRails and Rail Car Jobs ETC. They should have had a Cat 977 and Excavator on this Job as well. I’m going to guess that they thought it was a Simple 1 Car Job and a 977 Trackloader and Excavator wasn’t needed. Also with the Limited Working Area, that is where the New Deere 470 Excavator’s with Rotator Booms that RJ Corman has at one of its Divisions would have worked 100x’s Better and would have made Short Work of this Job, putting one at Each End of the Car. This would have been a Better Job for Utilco Railroad Services with their Excavator Booms.
I have gotten to see first hand how good RJ Corman are. Some of our sand cars (Interestingly enough probably either CEFX or SHPX, and built in nearby Paragould, AR by ARI, the car in this video was also manufactured there) derailed and tore up some of our switches. They get shit done and get paid very well to do it. Then a few months later a BNSF we had major flooding and RJ came in and rebuilt miles of main line, it looked like a military operation, 24-7.
Yea, I also think they do a great job.
KEYSTONE COPS WORKING ON THE RAILROAD.
It's amazing how much stuff these locomotives can pull.
Absolutely. I agree.
how good it was specialized staff! I do not want to imagine one that was not .... maybe I would have picked it up faster.
Which one ran out of fuel? There’s three locomotives on that train. They couldn’t just continue with the other two locomotives?
The wagon had to be tied from the highest point and lifted so that the balance was stable. Of course, the funnels from below did not allow for proper work. In my opinion they should be removable. Nice video!
Good you like the video!
Great video of quite a rare situation, especially since the train was only two cars long. I know CSX has had a number of derailments (Q401 in DC, etc.) but most of those were due to the train too long and the loaded cars improperly placed throughout the train.
+csxcw44ac Yeah, it seems they had quite some troubles last week. I also still wonder how this could happen here.
Not as rare as you would think. RJ Corman stays very busy doing this day-in-day-out. Pretty cool video tho
@@cam545 Of course they do. They turned a 2 hour job into at least 4.
Csx a derailment garentee.
Great video. This operation is more difficult than the "experts" in their PJs eating their milk and cookies thinks it is. Gotta love arm chair quarter backs.
I agree. It's not a toy car...
Yes, and they had to do it without damaging the line. Armchairs don't see that.
Yes...they had lots of train-ing. Heh...heh... (Sorry for existing)
Assuming that those commenting
don’t know anything... When they took the chokers over the top to “pull up” from the other side all they did was add down pressure to car while tying to pull it “up” from that position. They needed to attach to the top of the near side of the car, not the bottom of the far side. Same results per say, just a better hook point and less added force. And yes worrying about the rail underneath. The way they hooked it would be trying to “render” the car as it sits instead of “ leaning” the car upright.
What i don#t get is why they rolled it over to the other side of the track. Why not just shift it further to the left - or was their intention to attempt to try to get it back onto its bogies ?
I agree with some the posters about the organization and time took. The equipment in use seemed very inadequate for the job. I watched a crew set two locos back on the tracks in about 6 hours here in the Midwest. They had brought in two large cranes from Catanni, which just picked them up like they were Lionel locomotives!
I forgot to mention the locos were on their sides...
Well, it's not only the time it took locally. The time it takes to bring in adequate equipment must be added and I think it would have taken considerably longer if they had brought in large cranes (I don't know which would have been the nearest shop that stores such equipment). Plus, there is not much room for large cranes to operate.
There are not a lot of companies in North America capable of doing this type of work. The nearest "adequate" equipment could have been too far out to bring in. Sometimes you have to do with what you got.
Great video as always, not sure why that foreman just didn't hook both cats for a simple roll if all they wanted was to destroy the car. Should have had the tracks clear long before nightfall.
Thanks! Yea, the entire procedure looked more complicated than one would think it should be...
How long a train is too long?
Nice work; I bet this took a while to completely clean up
+Donald Conklin It's already done. Took less than two days and the line was never closed.
+mbmars01 I see. Nice job by the crew!
THERE IS ONE GOOD THING. IT IS GIVING RJ COREMAN SOME WORK TO DO I GUESS IT HAS BEEN SAID THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME GOOD COME OUT OF EVERY THING
Thanks for using all caps, as I am hard of hearing.
3:41 anyone else see that crossing turn off???
Yes, it did! lol
WELL THIS IS NEAR CARLTON GEORGIA SHOWED A LITTLE IN A VIDEO WHERE THE TIES
HAD NO SPIKES AT ALL; AND THE FAST TRAIN MAY BE THIS ONE. JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT.
All those stationary trains must have been blocking dozens of crossings. Did people have alternative ways of getting where they wanted to while all that was going on? Very interesting up close look at the work; was that car loaded or empty?You need to have confidence in your colleagues to lie underneath that car at that precarious angle.
Well, it's possible to go around, but extra ways can be a few miles longer. I think the car was empty, someone who lives there said it was half-loaded, whatever this means. Absolutely right! That wouldn't be a job for me lol
Back in the early '70s, in my
Hometown, on a sat. Am,
U.P. was kickin' cars off the
Mainline onto a siding thru
A switch, & four cars derailed. They put them back on the track one at a
Time, and after they had that done, which took 4hrs,
They would walk down the siding ,& park 'em. Then they
Replaced the track on both
Sides, including the switch
For a total of 7 hrs. And the
Boxcars didn't tip over which made the job faster and easier. One of the section men told me that if
One or more had tipped over
It would have been a lot longer getting the mainline
Reopened. I'm from the Pacific Northwest, Western
Washington state.
Cool story. Thanks for sharing!
How does a train run out of fuel in this day and age? That has never crossed my mind as a possibility outside of a leak.
I couldn't believe it either when I saw that.
LKNANML rumour has it they’re still trying to work out who didn’t put enough fuel in
Csx "we move tomorrow" "because we didn't move today" 😝
The video shows how RJ Corman, a company specialized on derailment operations, secures the car by toppling it to the other side of the track! Sooo, they had no intention of re-railing it?
Not initially. They just wanted to get it out of the way to re-open the line. The car was put back on tracks the following day.
Was that grain car loaded or empty?
It was empty.
Great video. I always forget what the name of the caterpillars with the side cranes are called. What say you?
Thanks! I'm not familiar with this equipment and can't answer your question.
@@mbmars01 That is pipe laying equipment converted to that application. Stupidly strong winches on those machines. Tonnage is remarkable. They use one inch diameter cable.
Its called a Sidewinder or Sideboom. It's a Dozer with a hinged boom on one side and a hinged counter weight on the opposite, and winch spool in the back.( no blade up front) Johnny Holland is correct. It was originally designed for laying pipe. Only reason I know what it is, is because I'm a Heavy equipment operator. Lol The Dozer might not of been completely out of fuel, but maybe just low, and with the steep angle of the ballast/ track/ road bed that the Dozer Operator had to climb over to get to the other side probably made the fuel pump suck air on which ever low side of the tank the pump was getting the fuel from? Maybe not, but I've seen it happen before.
@@@brianbenson1973, Thank you Brian. That was the name alright! Good on ya mate.
@@WJack97224 You bet buddy!👍😎
These workers must be paid big serious bucks to do this job. Is there ways the train engineers know when one or more of the cars derailed?
Wow that was crazy to watch.
I thought they were trying to get it back on the track? At the end of the vid it completely rolls over to the other side! Were they trying to that? lol
The purpose of this action was to get the car out of the way and re-open the line. They did put the car back on track the next day.
WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT WITH THE SHAPE THE RAIL TRACK ARE IN WELL RJ CORMANWILL GET IT OFF THE ROAD SO THEY CAN GET THE TRAINS THROUGH.
No wonder my O scale hopper cars have weights in the bottom.
Haha, that's right. Even before this happened, I always thought this covered hopper design may have a flaw lol
Is it possible that they had the wrong equipment? Have you emailed a copy of this to CSX they might be interested in it?
Well, they have their own people to investigate this incident. For them, it was just a small thing that can happen at any time, I guess.
I’ve never seen a derailment Irl or the aftermath of one but it looks horrifying I wouldn’t have the guts to go near it in fear of getting crushed
Yeah, it's awe-inspiring.
Does anybody know what they are doing? Seems an awful lot standing around. Think they are hanging it out for the overtime.
The video you just uploaded it said it have Benin removed
I don't understand.
Cool catch!
+Maryland Area Railfan Thanks!
+mbmars01 No problem!
@ 13:33 I'd would had a mess in my pants when thing slid back like that
+Jack Prange II Lol, I agree. But he seemed to be a very skilled driver and operator of his Cat.
haha, yeah, he's probably used to it though.
....used to sliding, that is, not messing his pants.... lol
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore, not like they did back in 1954
R.J Corman... where have i heard that name before... OH that right just about anywhere railroads are LOL
How can a train run out of fuel? Aren’t they suppose to communicate with dispatch about stuff like that??
Good Stuff !
Thanks!
You, like us - can not do it qualitatively. Raising one car takes so much time ... and not the equipment ...
Wow,imagine if they were faced with a 20 car derailment...smh the amount of time just to pull it off the tracks
Lol, I remember I thought the same when I watched it.
Dangerous job.
nice job hope u got the rest of the clean up lol
+zippa .way They haven't yet cleaned up. I wish I could see it, but I may also well miss it. It's not very close to where I live.
+mbmars01 was there anything in those cars ?
christopher coleman
No, it was empty. The train came from the feed mill nearby.
mbmars01 oh ok thanks
Where is part 2?😀.
The aftermath can be watched in the video that came out after this one, I guess that would be [2c].
@@mbmars01 cool thanks.😁
That's dangerous job working under a tilted up train car held up by chains.
Sir Topham Hatt is not happy this day, there is too much confusion and delay!
LOL :)
5:35 They look a little too close together like they got squished.
I guess they did their best. Perhaps it was their first derailment.
Speed limit 35, does 50 to stay ahead of the train.
+Adderall vs Haha, that's not true! Q194 slowed down early because he didn't even have an approach signal to the Howie Siding. Believe me, I don't stress the speed limits. There are cops out there everywhere.
+mbmars01 yea I feel ya they sit and wait 24/7
that guy lying on the track was sending my anxiety through the roof..
I remember I thought the same when I watched it live.
No wonder railroads are going broke... Trains running out of fuel because no one checked, rail cars derailing on short transfers, crane rigging crews that don't even know the c.o.g. of a car.
There's some truth in it...
WTF are you talking about. Railroads in North America are all profitable.
+C David check again
I work for a class 1. None are anything less than making money hand over fist. I've spent years working with corman. They are the best in the business.
No need to check again. Outside of some short line operations here or there (and most of those are healthy) the Class I railroads in North America all make a profit. They are far from going broke.
It is very normal for such catastrophes to happen in RAILWAYS, as long as the infrastructure is primitive, and they still use wooden sleepers like in the ancient times.....
Use bigger cranes
Was that the end goal just move the wagon out of the way. Ok job done. But funny normaly in the us the equipment is 3times over sized. Now it was 3times under sized. I understand they could not reach one side of the wagon. That made the job difficult. I think this equipment is only for rerailing wnen a loc or wagon is only of track and not on its side.
Yeah, that had to resume their traffic. So indeed the first goal was to get the car out of the way while it was dark. On the next day, they put it on tracks and moved it to a nearby yard, for repair or scrapping I don't know.
mbmars01 nice vid btw
J IJzer
Nice, I'm glad you likes it!
This must be the Z Crew for Roger Corman, only one car laid on its side and couldn't get the job done, pitiful.
a lot of work.
Quite so.
Awwww... the poor ol car 😥
9:55 I could've done without seeing this part. Gyrating plumber's crack. o.O
Ahhhh you made me go back to look.... Egads lol !
Just curious, did the Corman crew not mind being filmed or did you have to schmooz them?
No, they didn't mind.
You can thank parents for the increase in the number of derailment the railroads are having!
How so?
Looks like supervisor does not understand what to do. I would have laid ties on the rails. Lifthe car and it willevel itself on the ties without damaging the rails. Lift onend and roll truck under. Then lifthe other end.
Running out of fuel? how stupid, nice shot of the derailment too don't get to see that all the time.
+mow4ncry Yeah... Difficult to understand.
Below Geoffrey Kail says it all. Perhaps the supervisor could go into the scrap business because he certainly scrapped that grain car and stay away from the recovery crews because all he did there was make every-one late home.
Dang Bro - that ain't the way to do it - sheesh!
24:08 you can hear the cables snap.
This is one case where cranes on flatcars could have lifted the derailed car faster. Balancing the Cat on top of the roadbed would not have been necessary. New methods are not always better. Each railroad having its own wrecking crews would cost too much, though, considering how rare derailments have become.I have always felt safer when railfanning on the inside of a curve. Thanks for shattering my sense of security!
+Regan Rickson No doubt you're right, but it would have cost too much time to bring in such equipment I guess. I don't know where they store such stuff in this region, but they considered it obviously more efficient to bring in the Cats on flatbed trucks. Yeah, now that I know what can happen, I always think about it when I'm railfanning.
In the long run these 'new methods' are far more efficient. You might indeed point to a derailment here or there that could be better handled in the 'old method'. However, railroads long ago determined it is better to let these contractors pick up wrecks than to use their own forces and equipment.
Only three cars, and two of them derail... that's gotta be embarrassing...
Oh yeah-- and the coal train running out of fuel. How does that happen??
One derailed, but it was kinda funny given how short the train was.
The Big Boy is laughing at the coal train now.
Had 1 job today, that was to make sure there was a least 5,000 gal of fuel on board.
Lol, that's at least something and more than many others do right now...
@ 24:20 DAMM
I saw speed 35 but you drive over
Certainly not. If you aren't from the US, let me tell you that speed limits are in miles per hour here, not km/h.
É muito fascinante . É meu lazer de todas as noites .
I'm just wondering how many people leaving comments are going to go get a job with the RR so you can show them "how it's done".
I have never worked with the RR, but I have worked in heavy industrial maintenance and construction for forty years. I have moved and set big equipment and know that when you are uprighting a piece of equipment that you need to have an attachment on it so when it is at it's apex and starts back down you have control to stop it from rolling completely over. They were short one piece of equipment plus some dunnage for blocking. Just my opinion, not a scientific study.
@@thomasproctor3047 Obviously I wasn't there but I suspect that, under the circumstances, they were sent out there to "clear the tracks" as soon as possible. As this happened in a basically rural area I doubt that the heavy "train cranes" were close by.
Freaking amateurs! Rick Corman will be turning in his grave!
Why would a coal train run out of fuel?
That is a very good question. I didn't understand it either when I saw it and never found out why this was necessary.
ok seriously trying to lift this this thing by the brake wheel? suprised the wheel didnt snap off
I was also a bit surprised when I saw this.
Finally Uprighted only to be turned over again on the other side. 🙄
I don’t know why they still have the a should be L
That was painful to watch, I agree, a crane would have lifted it safely...looks like hours wasted and it’s still not upright..
I also thought they put this thing back on the rails immediately (they did it much later and the car got towed to Athens - see the follow-up video "[2c] The Day After the Derailment...")
That hopper car ate their lunch
This was by far not Corman's best crew!!
Tom Cander I didn’t understand why didn’t they bring in a boom crane and move it to the side just asking ?
@@briankeith5437 they will re-rail if possible but first and foremost is getting the rail back in service. Yes, I would have just got it off to the side and moved on.