How NOT to Check-In with Firearms at the Airport
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- čas přidán 21. 11. 2021
- I've been telling folk about this for a while, and I promise you'll get a comprehensive guide video about flying with firearms at some point... but for now, if you know nothing else, know this: when airlines say "just wait around a few minutes and if you don't hear from us your bag is good go to" you should NOT accept that.
I encourage everyone to ALWAYS insist on getting a positive confirmation from the airline that the TSA has cleared your luggage. This video shows why.
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The more i hear about the tsa the more i get the feeling they are just protecting the country against nail clippers and secure gun locks.
"The Theater of Security"
US Citizens like the security theater for some reason. I fucking hate it.
In 2002 when i went to england i still remember vividly a tsa guy holding nail clippers to a passengers neck to show him "HOW DEADLY" the nail clippers were and i remember trying so hard not to laugh. This was in boston...i wonder why they were so strict in 2002....oh wait nvm
@@namAehT Actually, no, the citizens hate it, its the faceless government agencies that love it. I don't know anyone that thinks its even slightly useful.
Don't forget the explosive water. They love making you dump your explosive water.
I'll never forget my first time checking a gun.
Houston. Hobby Airport.
Walk up to the counter after getting my stuff ready. Wait for a lul in the foot traffic to the desk. Speak to the agent and tell her that I have a firearm to declare as well as ammo in separate pelicans.
"Oh. Ok. I don't know how to do that. I'm new. Give me one second to call my supervisor."
"Sure thing."
Expecting her to get on the phone...
nope.avi
"HEY BOSS. THIS GUYS GOT A GUN!"
Raised my hands and didn't move until I was sure I was OK.
"Ma'am, are you sure that's the best way to address the issue?"
"What do you mean? I have to get a supervisor."
Damn...
hahaha, you made my day, dude.
I think I can guess the race
On a positive note. I folded my spare fitted sheets the way you recommended and it’s so much nicer.
I fkund a way to do it solo with a few pegs & a low clothes line.
Firever alone :(
@@theophilusthistler5885 I’ve always had to fold my fitted sheets without help - no pegs or clothesline needed. You’re making life harder on yourself than necessary. I just lay the part I’m not working on down on the bed or my laundry room countertop while I get the other corners together. The sheets that have elastic all the way around are a real bitch to get folded neatly, even with help! #foreveralone #doesntplaywellwithothers 😂✌🏼💜🛼
Remember the 80's and 90's when flying with a firearm was. 1) Throw the case on the check in counter. 2) Open the case in full view. 3) Show the firearm was not loaded and the ammo was separate. 4) Lock it the case with your lock of choice. 5) Head off to your gate and plane. Yeah, seems like a dream now.
Probably up until 9/11 it was nearly that easy.
Remember when you didn't have to take of your shoes and get invasively-yet-incompetently grope-searched before boarding an airplane?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
@@silasmarner7586 And I am one person with a different experience, and who had extensive experience flying before this largely ineffective security theater time-wasteage, and who has spent a lot of time on the General Aviation side of things where we don't have to deal with TSA.
Frankly your positive experience with the current state of commercial aviation "security" doesn't make mine any less of a shitfest.
I'd like to offer another old way of doing things when flying (in my experience)
I bought a one way ticket from the local newspaper and met the person (who was a police officer) who suggested that I just hand their ticket in and fly as them across the country
I saved a boatload of money traveling like that, imagine trying that now. Lol
It's still like this. At least with United/American. The only difference is now I follow TSA to the Xray machine. Once clear I am off to the gate (well security first).
When "Theater of Security" is more like a _Circus_ of Security
None of the authorities in this country do half as much to keep people safe as they do to hassle people unnecessarily or after the damage is already done, the bastards
To be fair, looking for weapons in luggage sounds like their job description
@@Epinardscaramel they already know the guns are there, they get declared and are the only items allowed to have non-TSA locks. They’re ostensibly checking for threats to aircraft safety like a bomb or unsafe items (ie lithium batteries) hidden in the gun case. There’s no danger or other concern about unloaded firearms in a locked case in the hold of an aircraft where nobody can access them, and firearms are generally legal in the US.
Yeah
Nah. If it was a circus it would be fun to watch.
its not broken. its by design. its a feature as far as they're concerned.
I thought they couldn’t legally open the bags unless we were present! 😖 aren’t we supposed to remain in possession of the key at all times?
Nope, they can open any bag at any time they want to.
Effectively, TSA found their previous rules about firearms security to be too inconvenient for them, so they changed them. "Pick up that can, citizen."
@@tugboatyan E
@@darkskyinwinter “And then put it in the trash can.”
Oh, boo hoo, poor tsa. What do they wanna go take the gun for a spin?
TSA, security theater at it's finest.
As a charter motor coach driver, who's occasionally contracted out to Greyhound and Adirondack Trailways in the northeast, I feel obligated to say, there's no bag checks or TSA pat downs to ride the bus. So protect your rights, privacy, and locks, and ride the bus today.
The bus is the way. Even the railways suck, especially if you smoke. No more smoking car in the back, that's just too much freedom, but drink as much as you want...
Guns are federally illegal on interstate buses.
I had no idea. I was riding greyhound or Trailways and the bus was boarded in Augusta Ga by sheriffs and dogs and someone asked if they were looking for drugs and they said no, they were gun dogs.
@@micco6020 really? Do you have a law or regulation to cite on that?
I've been driving a bus for 15 years, and have not come across such a law or reg.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but as a trainer at my company, I would like to know where to find the rule.
@@MrKalashnikov47 can't smoke on the bus either.
@@francissager3133 nobody had the balls to ask for the law or statute.
It is a ball tightening experience for a bus to pull into a station, be instructed to remain seated, and a canine and handler come down the aisle sniffing every seat and passenger , get to the back and then every overhead bag pulled down and sniffed. Then they checked the under bus baggage. I think we only had a 5 minute break after they were done, we kept the schedule.
A canine in a very enclosed space when you are seated makes your balls go way up inside your body. And i was innocent.
This was 2010 maybe. I started riding the mexican and chinese buses from Atlanta after that, cheaper and unregulated.
I dont know if it was a regular thing or if an informant tipped the police, but no one was arrested.
I thought that only the passenger could have the key and that's why you have to be there when they open it.
Or do we need an updated Packing in the (not so) Friendly Skies?
That's exactly what I was going to say. Control of the lock isn't supposed to leave the owner from what I remember.
That is the regulation. But airlines and importantly, TSA, don't follow their own regulations.
@@StrokeMahEgo Then they aren't regulations.
Regulate (v)
1: to govern or direct according to rule
2: to bring order, method, or uniformity to
Failure on both counts.
There are various interpretations and so forth. I'm planning to do a full update of my "flying with firearms" material
@@DeviantOllam Looking forward to it!
Flying out of Denver (DIA) with firearms is a great experience. You are escorted with your checked bag around the corner to a dedicated room, that has its own x-ray machine, and you can stand outside the doorway watching, and also available if they need your key to open the container.
I will never have that issue but always bring spare shackles just in case. Lol.
In 2017, I had 8kg of Aussie locks opened up from La to San Fran, they cut a nice Abus dimple lock so I replaced it with a TSA007 crap lock. Lol. My buddy PickMe1977 finally got all the locks ok and had a good laugh after reading the TSA card they left in the case. :)
Have you considered getting your private pilots license. You’re good with regs so learning the material should be easy for you.
my wife has hers
@@DeviantOllam nothing beats cramming all your stuff into a 1980s rented c182 and flying all day across the country. This way it’s in your possession the whole time :D
@@wallstquant You either save time or money, not both. 😬
@@themaconeau #fax
I haven't had cut locks, but they have made miss 2 different flights by saying I was good - only to call me back all the way from the gate at boarding. Once, AFTER boarding, pulling me and my wife off the plane.
Yep... I've seen this happen, too
@@DeviantOllam And you're right about Maryland, we are a may (never) issue state, and so gerrymandered D that the gun laws here are ridiculous. Someone got arrested and JAILED stopping at a gas station leaving a range because the stop at the gas station was interpreted to "not be a legal destination" for transporting a firearm. He was on his way home, but the cop followed him from the range and because he stopped for gas of all things, that's where they pinched him. If you have firearms, just avoid BWI if you can help it.
@@DeviantOllam yes but not all bad .. my pain got me a reply from you. One in the win column! Keep on doing your thing man.
@@dustysparks what was the legal justification for following someone that had departed a business premises?
@@_Steven_S They don't need a legal justification to follow you. They don't even need a legal justification to look into your car when it's in the parking lot and such. In theory, if the gun was not in plain view from looking into the vehicle then said person might have been able to get around it based upon that (no justification for the search of the vehicle). But otherwise... Pretty painful in that kind of case (if it's true anyway).
ever since a TSA agent attempted to steal my nintendo switch, i'm just done with them. any conversation i have with a TSA agent will start at 100 for me, and life is too short. i just don't check bags ever. i always find another way. if i need to travel with a firearm, i ship it to an FFL or find some other legal way. but the only time grubby little TSA goblins get to touch my stuff is right in front of me when i go through TSA pre check security. literally the only reason my switch wasn't stolen was because i was watching the agent like a hawk and saw him slide my switch out, and stick it further down the line after closing my bag.
Ship to yourself. From address is your name, to address is "in care of" your name. You have to be at the destination to receive it.
I've made that mistake once with a case full of knives. Exact same thing, "oh you're probably fine! it's not a gun so it's ok."
it was not ok. busted locks.
I'd love to see a law requiring inspection of firearm cases by the TSA to be in front of the baggage owner. And while we're at it, give them a 10 minute time limit to *finish* the inspection or they aren't allowed to inspect it.
The TSA at BWI is terrible to deal with. Even if everything is good they are very slow.
And people wonder why I drive literally everywhere
see, i absolutely love flying. little hiccups now and then don't dissuade me.
My solution for this is simple: I don't fly domestic commercial flights. TSA are too incompetent and sometimes far too heavy handed for me to ever want to deal with them again. I last flew a commercial flight in 2003 and that's it for me until the TSA is abolished. I'll sooner drive for 3 days than put up with their nonsense ever again. If I need to fly out of the country, I'll just drive to Ontario or the like.
If you fly out of Windsor be careful to not accidentally wind up at a strip bar....
I have some unfortunate news, the state never relinquishes power once they get it. Though the TSA serves no real purpose than to harass us and to intrude in our business, they'll never be disbanded.
Same. Quite annoying as I flew a couple times a year pre TSA and now drive anywhere within ~1000 miles.
That's quaint. You say that don't know anything about modern air travel and then use that ignorance as justification. Don't get me wrong, the TSA is about as useful as your line of reasoning.
Anywhere in the US is just a sexual assault away.
I thought the correct procedure was just to toss it in your carry-on. 90% of the time they won’t catch it, and if they do, just grab it, squeeze off a round to distract everyone, and run out of the terminal. Was I wrong to do that?
no!!!!
This reminds me of traveling back home from Poland where an agitated security dude with a submachine gun kept pointing to my carry-on and screaming "MUTITUL!" Not being used to armed strangers yelling at me since I'm not american I just locked up and didn't realize I forgot my knockoff leatherman in there until another dude calmly picked it up and asked in perfect english whether I want to check it or toss it.
@@aziztcf 'MUTITUL' hahaha, all that for a tiny knife and bottle opener
Of all places, Oakland International , CA (OAK) seems to have their procedure together. Las Vegas always goes smoothly as well.
You'd think they'd like, I dunno, provide more training to a TSA agent tasked with protecting the country from terrorists than McDonald's does to a high school kid working the drive thru....
McDonald's kids get much more training. Plus at least around here they all speak a minimum of 2 languages.
Luckily TSA doesn't allow their staff near deep fryers.
The TSA’s job is security theater. They don’t protect anything. It’s literally not their job. It’s their job to say that’s their job, but it’s not their job.
Well the TSA isn't to stop terrorists, never was, they've literally never done that. Their entire purpose is just to be another intrusive branch of the authoritarian state.
Its because the TSA arent there to protect you from terrorists. Supposedly the police are, but the mcdonalds employee is better trained and would likely make a better cop too.
I flew out of MSP and they pulled my into a little screening area and had me interface with the TSA directly.
At the time I found it annoying but it sure beats this.
Great video!! Last year flying to Montana Delta lost the bolt my hunting rifle. Fortunately the Outfitter had one to loan out. On the trip back I was told every hole that could hold a 🔐 had to have a lock. I had to walk back Walmart in Butte to buy some locks. I need up holding the plane 15 minutes. However after getting a quote from Howa they (Delta) gave me $300 credit towards a new bolt. I planned on getting the gun rechambered in 300 Weatherby. However someone in SLC found the bolt and mailed it back to me. So bring lots of locks and spend the xxtra $$$ for 1st class
weatherby calibers sick
Damn Dev, so glad you are persistent. Some moron just had and ND in the Atlanta Airport yesterday. Get this, a Felon in possession of a firearm lunged for it in his bag when TSA flagged and searched his bag. He made the 450th firearm found in the screening by TSA this year.
Knowing the TSA room phone number is a power move 😅
My first time was flying home from Orlando to OKC. No issues with Southwest in Orlando. The agent walked me down to the TSA room and I waited outside while they scanned it. Didn't even need to open it up. Now I did put an Airtag in it to track it. Because of delays for weather, my gun bag went to Houston as per the original plan while we went through Atlanta. The plane from Houston showed up 10 minutes after we did in OKC. My understanding was it was supposed to be walked from the plane to the holding area for Southwest. It did not. I came in like all the other baggage. Then I saw where they had covered up the original barcode on the tag. So the sorting machine did not know to hold it. But all was well.
My only experience with checking guns was locked small pistol cases in normal baggage in and out of small regional airports... Was simple enough, and they checked them at the counter. Really glad I didn't have to deal with the BS at a big airport.
30 minutes is not too bad - I almost missed my flight from EWR last year because the process took 2.5 hours (!!) - almost 1.5 hours just to get to a check-in counter. AA merged all lines together, so the same line had people checking in their pets, people with firearms (not many, in the end of the day it was NJ), people with oversized bags and sport equipment... And lots and lots of frustrated and exhausted people who missed their connection and now wanted to speak to a human being about what options they had.
As a native Marylander, it's a strange place to be. A lot of folks use and respect firearms correctly. However, lots that do not. The State govt basically hates citizens having guns. Carry permits, for example, are almost impossible to get.
"Maryland Shall Issue" is trying to change that, but it's uphill for sure, and the district courts on this side of the country are equally adversarial to firearms owners.
@@dustysparks yep
Lots of people get killed by someone not well in the head with a gun man. Look at Las Vegas.
when i fly i add bearings to my locks shackles to help prevent them from being cut... so far they haven't been cut, but i also try to fly Alaska which seems to be a little better at handling firearms.
Remember that the TSA was put into place to enforce the Bush/Cheny administration's "be afraid, be very afraid" policy of fear-based abandonment of civil rights. As such, the TSA was never intended to _do_ anything useful. Replacing the teenagers holding Vietnam-era M16 rifles (anyone who flew just after 9-11 knows what I mean) with a regular security force was needed, and frankly long overdue. I remember when airport security was first enacted after a spate of hijackings in the early '70s. Back then the onus was on the individual airlines to pay for and implement the now ubiquitous magnetometer and x-ray checkpoints. And over 30 years time, that system evolved into one that was as good as any in the world. Just throwing out 30 years of progress, and replacing everyone with new, green minimum wage employees was a plan to fail.
One prime example of how arbitrary and capricious the TSA system is: the Shoe Bomber. For five long years, the TSA did absolutely nothing in response to this lone wolf attack. And after three years of no new shoe bombs, suddenly the TSA was all about making travelers undress in public. And for what? There were no subsequent attempts in 20 long years. And it wasn't like in 2006 the TSA had any special equipment that could have detected explosives. And when they finally did, that equipment was more than capable of sniffing shoes as people walked by. The whole thing was an exercise in momentum of compliance, a trick to get people to agree to more and more egregious civil rights violations under the false guise of "security".
I used to be a frequent flyer, but no longer mainly because of the TSA. Before the TSA, I could ship valuable items in locked checked luggage, knowing that I could hold the airline responsible for any losses. Now it's a finger-pointing party and so I had to start sending my gear via UPS before my trip. Now I travel by train wherever I can. I'm able to keep my valuable equipment safe nearby, and also have the option of checking baggage where only Amtrak touches it. It's a lot like flying before 1973, and I like it.
I'm not normally one to argue for privatization, but in the case of airport security it absolutely makes sense. It is in the best interest of the airlines to have effective, fast, minimally invasive security. I'm really not sure how TSA still exists as it is, given how much pull the airlines normally seem to have with the government.
@@Broken_Yugo let's not forget that passenger-area security had always been in the hands of the airlines before the TSA. One thing that made US airlines different from their counterparts abroad was that US airlines didn't have socialism to save them. In other countries, the national government nationalized one or more airlines (socialism) so there would be a flag airline for their nation. In 1973 when the FAA mandated security checkpoints for terminals, they still left it up to the individual airlines to do the actual work. After all, it was their businesses being protected. The US federal government nationalized (socialism) these private security businesses citing a big difference in standards. And this was true; one could walk right to the gate with no security checks at smaller airports, and theoretically bring weapons to a larger airport's secure area. But nationalizing them into a socialist regime didn't change that. What did finally bring change was a unified standard and accountability, and that could have been applied to the airline-run security firms.
One thing that both airline-run security and the TSA rely on is some form of government to provide armed agents with police powers. This role is still filled mostly by local law enforcement. That's how it should be; there's a reason why the US doesn't have a national police force. Let the federal government set standards and test for compliance, but let the individual businesses run it, and let state and local governments exercise their sovereignty over local affairs.
Do you have a recommendation for affordable hi security locks? The pl321 has gotten insanely expensive at $60 per lock which makes a TSA incident a $120 each time.
I don't know what its like at other airports but here if you check in a long rifle case it goes to a room for oversize items. That room might be unmanned due to how infrequent large items get checked. The airline has to call tsa to let them know theres an item down there or it could be sitting there for who knows how long. If theres a non tsa lock on it tsa will have to get the key from you to screen it. After it gets screened the airline comes pick it up to take to the plane.
Like many organizations that are tasked with safety, they seem more concerned about appearances and checking off lists than actually reducing risks from potential threats.
The best security theater money can buy. Despite the practical impossibility of assuaging everyone's fears, would probably be safer for you to retain positive control over them throughout your flight than hand them off to people who bear no liability for them going missing.
How to fly safely with firearms. Step 1: Prayer.
There should be a rule that says they cannot open your gun case without you being there to watch. $10 says they open the case, play with the guns, not knowing how they operate, try racking the slide a few times. Fiddle with the safety (if it has one) and even pull the trigger a few times. I'd go so far as to say they even point the guns at each other and play cops/robbers. Then just shove it back into the case and let it go on its way.
I went through this bull poop at BWI on a few occasions where they cut the locks off my rifle case and used a zip tie to secure.
I have a tag on the outside of the case as well as my name inside. Inside the case is the Federal law and that I am the only one that can possess the key, so the TSA locks don't pertain to firearms securement devices.
My travel rifle case is now locked by two Medeco puck locks that are not accessible. There is also an intrusion alarm and GPS tracker.
The TSA only employs morons. Delta staff is just a smidge better.
You can tell them that they don't have permission to open the case without you present next time they ask you for the key. It's your key, keep it in your control. They have to take you to the bag room and inspect the bag in front of you technically (even though they usually just cut the locks).
Not a bear in sight. The bear patrol is sure doing its job!
Interested to see the video when you recover your broken luggage.
luggage was fine at the destination, because they had actually been given the key
@@DeviantOllam i think what he's implying is, we are all dreading the day the video is uploaded: the TSA official is dressed down,and you still produce a second,backup set of locks from nowhere. Just to make everyone involved look bad.
Welcome back to the DMV. If you're heading to shmoocon I hope you have a good time.
I remember the vid you showed when they destroyed your special locks despite your offer of the keys. It made me wonder if the cost of somehow owning & storing firearms in the States I usually do business would be less expensive.
Maybe I could start a company that provides a service just like I described. Feel free to be unable to explain that back even though I can't understand what I mean to myself.
Do you use a GPS luggage tracker when you check your firearms case? If so, which one? I’m preparing to fly with checked firearms for the first time in almost 15 years and have been trying to gleam every last piece of advice possible. Thanks for all the valuable information posted on your blog!
Might be a good use for an AirTag if you’re in the Apple ecosystem
@@ts757arse Yeah, not trying to be the next Kenny Wells LOL
The Samsung ones are also good if not in apple.
I use airtags in all my backpacks, luggage, suitcases etc. They are not the best, but will certainly tell you if your bag is still on the other side of the globe
@@ts757arse I laughed entirely too hard on that one. ;-)
From the title, I was expecting a joke about not shouting "I have a gun!" but then it was real advice.
I watched a video by Active Self Protection about this, i believe he said that you can request to unlock it in front of them as youre the only legal key holder for that box and are the only one who can open it or something, im not exactly sure if i remember right but i believe that was the gist of what he said. He travels a lot.
haha tsa being tsa.. love the thumbnail tho Deviant
Totally thought of you when I heard about the accidental discharge the other day in (atl I think,) because apparently tsa isn't trained to handle firearms
I don't know about traveling with guns, but have traveled with a bicycle. A better way is to pack and ship your bike via FedEx. You can also fit some clothing/luggage in the bike box. It's usually cheaper than what the airlines charge for a bike.
Part of the reason DeviantOllam travels with guns is precisely because they're required to be locked with a key only you own. He'll put other things he doesn't want stolen in the case.
Great video
I used to work at DTW for TSA, we checked them at the counter, right in front of the passenger.
yes, many airports have a screening area right there near the check-in hall. but not all airports.
Every airline I have dealt with and every airport I've flown out of had their own way of doing things, their own interpretation or the rules, and the TSA folks in a different place relative to airline check in counter. You can show them the rules and procedures printed right off of the TSA web site and it makes no difference. It is maddening.
I have flown Southwest out of BWI multiple times with firearms and had no issue. The counter agent fills out the firearm tag and puts it in the case while I am there showing that the firearm is clear. I found the best thing for me was to put my pistol in a long gun case. They treat that differently. When I had a pistol in a pistol case inside my luggage, it went thru like normal luggage and came out on the belt at the other end with all the other luggage. (not great) When using a long gun case, it is held at the other end until I show ID. I also put a trigger lock on the firearms when flying. I don't think TSA ever opened my gun case.
Your trigger lock can be opened faster via picking than by using a key.
The TSA approved luggage locks available only have 6 variants of master keys. Those keys can be purchased on eBay.
Stick with a gun case, with a real shielded padlock. Make it as difficult to access as possible. There are rules and regulations that if not followed by both parties can lead to jail time and large fines.
@@gungadinn I don't doubt that it is not a secure lock. It's only on there so that box can be checked.
Should do a "Russian doll" type thing with different locks all the way down (about 4/5 layers should do it)
TSA process broken?
This is the first time I ever heard that .
FYI TSA will open all oversized bags now. IE rifle cases. So they will want your key. Many ticket agents thinks this applies to regular baggage with handguns but it does not.
it depends on the airport
@@DeviantOllam opening oversized cases or clueless ticket agents? Another TSA hack you can test is instead of saying "opt out" of the microwave scanner. Say you are "ineligible" (key word) you are supposed to pass through the old metal detector get a hand swab and you're done. If you say "opt out" you get full ball sack pat down. I always tell them 2 shoulder surgeries cannot hold my hands up without pain.
Nice to know. Will be flying out of California to Georgia. I am pretty sure as a young black I will encounter some resistance at San Diego airport.
it's illegal to give your key. you must unlock & re-lock. Only you. and inspection must be in your presence, even if the case is inspected behind a screen or fence/barrier.
Sure that's the rules, but they don't like following their own rules. This has happened to me...
TSA: we need the key for your gun case.
Me: the law states that only I can have possession of the key. I can come with you.
TSA: that is not possible. You can turn over the key, or you can miss your flight.
Please post a follow up vid to this one so we can learn what happens next :)
So strange. I never have this issue when traveling with my firearms, but you fly more than I do.
When you hear of all the atrocities committed by TSA employees, or airline employees, it makes you rethink your mode of travel. I will never fly again; I will drive wherever I need to go, and have my firearms WITH me.
They don’t care, or need to care if the process is homogeneous, fair, legal, expedient, considerate, or performed by persons knowing the process, law, or policies in force. It’s a tiresome burden and I wouldn’t know half of what I do now about it without your efforts. Thank you Dev.
Back in the late eighties, i was living in Miami FL. Went to airport about six am I think, and went to check in. Told the smoking hot attendant I had firearms to declare.
When she saw my AR-15, she was like, oh my boyfriend wants one. She pulled it out of the case, checks chamber and starts aiming at things in the terminal.... I'm thinking oh shit, I'm going to jail or get shot because of her. Thankfully it was very few people in sight. She puts it back in case, I filled out the tag and left her with it. Funny how I remember everything about the encounter, almost forty years later
Wonder if you can get a see-through Pelican case ... 🤔
The TSA is security theater.
Not an issue I've ever had to deal with, but I know that Dev's been talking about it for the longest time.
I remember him mentioning it in one of his old con talks and I thought "wow, what a broken system, I'm sure they'll implement something better once enough people complain".
Mark that down as a strike for me I guess.
Would you suggest putting are info on the case itself
That Maryland sarcasm nearly made me choke on my cheap bourbon & coke.
WIsh you were just always with me everywhere i go, JUST in case. lol
See, this is why I drive all over the country rather than flying like many of my coworkers... such a pain to fly anymore.
1:02 Oh shit dude there it goes! Behind you! Look! awwwww
You could also tape a note with packing tape near the lock that says, 'Do not break open lock. Ask for key. Call (insert phone # here)'.
@italianstallion - DeviantOllam does have a note, saying exactly what you've suggested. And there have been times when despite the note, the TSA agent in the back room cuts the locks anyways. czcams.com/video/Njlx2jazhnA/video.html
@@peteypablo1196 These TSA agents need to go be stupid somewhere else
My understanding of firearm transport was that they were to be put in a locked case that was NOT accessible by TSA..... I gather things have changed in recent months?
What part of Baltimore is not broke?
Not going to lie, I liked just for the thumb
I have had TSA agents tell me I need to put TSA locks on my gun cases. HaHaHaHa. I fly with printed copys of the BATF, TSA and Airline rules, to ease the arguments.
Also, I put a video camera in the lid organizer of my pelican case just in case they insist on opening my shit outside of my view. I also put a paper on top of everything so they see it right when they open it, that says, "Remember, you are being recorded" (they are free to assume it's talking about the airport security cameras) along with a printout of the federal code about the owner of they case remaining in possession of the key or combo at all times.
Last point, it may be coincidental, but I haven't had any trouble from the TSA since I put the "Travel Declaration Sticker" from Tactical Outfitters on my Pelican case.
Two more passes through CA and WA without being searched! 🤞😏
"...Maryland... not used to guns." My Father used to teach hunter safety as a required course for those seeking hunting licenses, in Maryland. If he was still traveling like he used to, he'd probably start up a conversation with you. But, yeah, it's a blue state, and BWI is in a more liberal area and their workers are going to be mostly from that area.
Went like clockwork at AUS and PHX. Watched your videos first.
And here I thought this was gonna be a comment about the ATL misfire incident… That title joke was right there!
Yeah I’m a lil concerned since I travel through that state
Flying with ScaryTeam - I’m not surprised at all…
Hi, I am from Germany, so not so Familiar with the rules etc. I thought, you have to use locks where TSA has the „general key“ for. So they are able to open up the lock without your individual key and without destroying it. Am I wrong? Thanks.
For regular luggage, yes. For firearms, one is required to use a real lock.
@@bur1t0 thanks.
What is, "positive confirmation?" Is it a letter, or a hard copy of something, like a receipt?
Why do they even have to open it? The owner says it's full of guns, you don't believe them (and your fancy-ass x-ray machines)?
That said, I am still amazed that they can't let any liquid through because it could be explosive, then they dump them in household bins. Those people wouldn't know explosives if they were blown up by them. For me, peak anti-liquid-stupidity was when they denied my mother, at 75, to have a single yoghurt in her handbag because it was 150ml, and 125ml was the limit.
how long did it take to receive your bags, and were they broken into?
bags came out the usual way at my destination and they were just fine. no damage, locks still there, etc.
@@DeviantOllam glad to hear it. thank you for your travel tips over the years.
@@DeviantOllam Were the contents in good condition, nothing out of place?
@@TiagoTiagoT yeah more or less
"I guess fricken Maryland, maybe they're not used to guns" yes, Maryland is awful when I comes to firearms in general. -a regretful Marylander
I’ve been flying out of DCA lately and have been thinking about checking my carry piece. Need an updated how to fly with firearms video.
DCA is great because the bag screening is right there at the check-in hall
IMO You should print a colour picture of your middle finger inside the locked case. This way the TSA can know exactly how much you appreciate them tearing up your equipment without being considerate to your items
Tell you what, I'd laminate and adhere a note to the outside of the case as well. Just inform them you'd like to offer TSA access *without* destroying the locks etc.
BTW you should put one or two separate GPS location tracking devices inside the case too. Just incase it accidentally gets lost. 🙄
Make the one tracker obvious (just laid inside in open) but hide the second one because who knows what devious person is touching your property. This way you can get what you need back (hopefully in original condition)
CFR Title 49: 1540.111(c) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination. [They wanna look in that box they need to bring it to you to open, inspect, and then relock]
And people wonder why I won't fly if I can avoid it.
I have done the "wait 15 minutes" thing dozens of times at various airports and I have gotten my locks cut once. This, absolutely, does NOT mean the process works or I'm endorsing it, just an anecdotal data point.
You're not liking them rooting through your firearms case aside, I'm pretty sure it's ILLEGAL for them to open the case without you being present. But since when does a pesky little thing like the law matter to the TSA?
Regarding locks, use solid key locks with a shackle clearance wide enough to fit the gun case without allowing extra movement once locked. If an agent demands the keys, refer him or her to the Code of Federal Regulations regarding traveling with firearms:
Title 49: Transportation, Part 1540 - Civil Aviation Security: General Rules, Subpart B - Responsibilities of Passengers and Other Individuals and Persons, 1540.111 (c) (iv) - The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.
Title 49: Transportation, Part 1544 - Aircraft Operator Security: Air Carriers and Commercial Operators, Subpart C - Operations, 1544.203 (f) (iii) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the individual checking the baggage retains the key or combination.
Very rarely do I see a CZcams video with nearly 1,000 votes up without a single dislike! 😀
I've just cursed that now, haven't I?!? 😀
You're about to see that a lot more, CZcams has decided to hide the number of dislikes.
That's because the dislike counter was disabled by CZcams.
TSA does not come to the check in desk and check your bag and sign off on it there? That has been my experience.
As ex military... gonna say all the peeps heading overseas to Iraq and Afghanistan, had rifle cases, and many went through BWI.. they should have their shit together..
Agreed. I just go in, shoot everything and then go through!
Before I'm put on a watchlist, THIS IS A JOKE!
is this the same if i want to check in with an rpg?
hah... Destructive Devices (well, their ordinance) is often not cleared for travel via air, whether courier or commercial checked baggage.
I checked in a rifle and two handguns in Chicago was told some will check them and lock the case, when I went to pickup the guns in Salt Lake City the case unlocked and the lock were still the case with the guns, got lucky don’t trust any airline ever