UK braces for biggest rail strikes in 30 years after last minute talks fail
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- Union leaders say they have "no choice" but to go ahead with this week's train strikes, blaming Government cuts for 'hobbling the industry'. Ministers in turn have accused unions of "opposing progress".
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Thousands of members of the RMT union will join the industrial action, bringing most of the country's rail network to a standstill.
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How England can keep voting the Tories in is baffling to anyone looking elsewhere in the world.
There is no difference between either parties. Labour refuse to support rail workers so that tells us all we need to know. Sadly now there is no party that represents ordinary working people.
Philip Anthony Kenny , do you really think the world revolves around English politics?
Have you studied this in detail or are you just opening your mouth and seeing what inane comments come out.
Post us the stats please.
Maybe it stems from their love of monarchy
@@johnmurphy9856 they're all cowards a work only for cabal their puppets. if we had a true government we would all be in abundance inc self love taught.
@@johnmurphy9856 America has no Monarchy, and they're even more antiunion than the Bretons.
Thank you Channel 4 for opening up the comments section and encouraging feedback and transparent communication. Most of the other news networks have comments turned off which shows a level of immaturity and intolerance for alternative views
It’s just a vacuum of the same old nonsense
Here here
I don’t watch those videos if there’s no comments
@@sticksandstones3277 me neither
“Railway companies are making profits right now. Their directors are being paid massive salaries. Everyone seems to be getting richer apart from the people doing the work, and that has got to be addressed.”
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Yep and it's not just happening in the railways companies. Its happening in other companies.
@@ab8865 It's happening everywhere, and it is not only the UK as well. In the UK is worse compared to other countries because they shot themselves in both foot and the knees with Brexit, however all in all this is a coordinated attack by the super rich on the middle class and the low paid workers to steal everything they have.
So vote Labour.
Exactly I only get a minimum wage.
Finally the tories are squirming instead of laughing
Zunak & Co will get the energy subsidy, disgusting! Platitudes & 🐂💩 he is embarrassing! 🤮😝🥴😜
Hope they will be dissolve and will be never a tories party.. maybe just bunch of 1000 rich people who can't cope with milion of people who open the eyes
The tories will have powerfas long as the english continue to love monarchy.
It could be argued that Royalism and elitism go hand in hand
MPs get pay increases and make a lot of money. But the middle and lower class people lose money in real terms..
meanwhile these companies bring in fresh phd graduates to try and tell people how to do their jobs and save the company money.
They've just had a pay increase bringing an MP's annual salary to over £84,000
don't forget they are not affected by things like rent increases, fuel increases etc, as the public pay for it all
If teachers or rail workers go on strike then schools close and trains stop running. If MPs go on strike they don't waste tax payers' money for a few days...
@@GonzoTehGreat well considering we are paying for literally everything they do, including binge watching movies. If they go on "strike" which they do during all school holidays anyway, we are still paying them.
I think C4 deserves credit for inviting rep's from three different sectors, all with the same opinion that the Government is failing to do it's job.
Thank you C4.
From my limited knowledge about the unions in general that's pretty stunning. That's too... French?
The unions aren’t the problem , it’s the government that’s failing the people
This is why the Govt is selling C4. So they can put it into the control of one of their billionaire mates.
@@muckle8 Yes, let’s go back to the 1970’s…….Say goodbye to your job sunshine.
@@lestrem11 same problem different names ted heath and conservatives boris Johnston and conservatives link is tories are always to incompetent to run a country you'd think even the village idiots that vote for them would see that by now promise big steal anything not locked down and do no work to fulfil the promises is the tory motto
The government is embarrassing
And EA does sucks!
REALLY? WHY?
The union is bringing this out to the PUBLIC …with only one objective ….to make the politicians look like bad people.
The politicians have no choice but to reciprocate ….talking to the public.
So the precedent has been set ...this is the typical PUBLIC ISSUE …with one party trying to make the other party look like fools.
The people PAYING FOR ALL THIS IS THE PUBLIC, YET the PUBLIC HAS NO REPRESENTATION in the process whatsoever.
Why not change this and allow the public to express their opinions/feelings ….after all, IT IS THEIR MONEY AT STAKE HERE.
Let's start this process with PUBLISHING EVERYTHING PUBLICLY about the current salaries throughout the train system ....and then PUBLISH PUBLICLY, what these UNIONS are demanding.
THEN, let the government publish what the actual additional costs are going to be to the travelling public.
EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ….WITH ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT EVERY PUBLIC SECTOR UNION AND THEIR FULL COMPENSATION PACKAGES …IN A SIMPLIFIED EASY-READ MANNER. The Collective Agreement is NOT an “easy-read” format.
THEN, let the consumers/passengers/public, vote (ONLINE OR AT LOCAL PUBLIC SPOTS) as to a "common-sense" selection of perhaps FIVE OPTIONS/CHOICES, such as:
1) give the union everything they want
2) give the union nothing
3) give the union 1/2 of what they want
4) give the union an amount that resembles the correct calculated inflation rate
5) give the union an amount that the public agrees to
Let's not forget that no one is forcing the people in the union to work at their jobs. If they don't like their jobs, or the pay, there is nothing stopping them from bettering their education for the purpose of making them eligible for better, higher paying jobs.
It is NOT difficult at all, with today's technology, for any intelligent government to set an "ONLINE VOTING SYSTEM", or to hire a "THIRD PARTY" polling company to set this up ......AND APPLY THIS PROCESS TO EVERY PUBLIC SECTOR EVERY TIME THEY DECIDE TO STRIKE .....WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH AT THE END OF EVERY COLLECTIVE AGREEMENT.
MAKE THIS A PERMANENT PROCESS FOR THE PUBLIC TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES!!!
If the public was to respond with a flat-out "NO" to any salary or benefits or pension or pension benefit increases ... what is the union going to do? They could very easily respond with a "NO" ....at which time then, the rail will shut down ......and the whole issue can be sent to the courts.
Just imagine the public's opinion of a union at this point. Does anyone think the union members care about the public or what the public thinks? ....and therein lies one of the primary problems.
The public systems belong to the people ...not to any UNION.
LET THE PEOPLE SPEAK!!! This should NOT be up to any politician or any political party to "decide" ANYTHING ....when it comes to ANY PUBLIC SECTOR UNION ......simply because it is the PUBLIC who is paying these salaries .....NOT POLITICIANS!!!
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@Gavin Gas clown
@Gavin Gas no one likes u
My wife works as customer service on the railways and she keeps getting nasty tories making complaints about it. The country is more brainwashed, spiteful and selfish than ever before
Typical karens
That's brexit tory britain in 2022 for you
yes, Its the people. Not the government, problem is with the government they work for the rich not the poor
@@mattwilson3310 get back under your stone Loser 🤣🤣🤣
@@explorerjay2810 tory brexit britain
Good luck to them! It’s about time people started standing up for themselves. Power to the people!
It will not be power to the people if we end up with caps on pay rises and a collapsing economy like in the 1970s.
Right On 👍✌️
I'm glad they're striking it's only fair everyone gets paid the living minimum same goes for all teachers, NHS workers I hope they get what they want out of it.
@Gavin Gas it’s Tory rats like you
A train driver is on 59k p/a for a 35 hour week. you think they deserve more money?
Up the workers ✊🏼 ✊🏾 🙌
🇨🇳🇯🇲🇰🇵🇮🇷🇷🇺✊✊✊
A kiwi's view: no mention of Brexit from the minister, yet UK'S inflation leads developed countries
Yes UK is doing the worst out of all the G7 countries and only beaten by Russia in the G20
I was exactly thinking of that ,Ian Way. Listening to them (Tories) Brexit doesn’t exist or is all benefit.
@@franciscouderq1100 As long as people keep voting for a two party system, nothing will change......
@@TheMolabola yes, not even a Freudian slip of the tongue. They are well trained these tories
After 12 years of Conservative rule - is any of this that surprising.
im 60 this year seen it over and over trampling allover working people
They are loving this. People can see Labour is behind this. People are not liking the Conservatives but hating Labour more
@@dillcarver7731 NO, people with common sense hate the Tories more!!!
@@dillcarver7731 Apparently, the Labour Party are so powerful that they are the cause of everything that's going wrong. The poor old Conservatives just haven't stood a chance during the 12 years they have been in power.
@@dreamlessdemand people with common sense hate both equally.
This needs to happen in America too. Company's need to hold off on profits and take care of workers or workers need to walk out!
he's not blaming the company's though, he's blaming the government. he is fundamentally wrong because no bank will bail out a country unless they legally agree to implement austerity.
Companies need to automate. It’s cheaper and it doesn’t make demands
The only person who is ignored and overlooked is the person who is giving his time and life to keep wheels rolling.
These politicians are busy in spending the public money on lavish life and they forget that the last person is the most important person.
The day this ignored ,quiet, honest worker stops his hands, the nation comes to a standstill.
And a stand still is what is needed the whole country needs to stop we can't carry on like this work all week the go to a food bank to eat something has gone seriously wrong all these MPs need to be thrown out they're a disgrace
@@trevortaylor6634 these MP and ministers cannot even stand in then sun and the snow in which we work on regular basis staying away from the family and risking the life daily almost.
Electrical supplies, rail... everything is useless without us.
@@trevortaylor6634 Yes, that would work well 🤣
Unionist speaking
@@janemcilroy3289 Trade unions are why we have a weekend and an 8 hour workday, among other things.
The amount of sense spoken by these unions is unreal. Literally let them speak, listen and you can see the cracks in the troy lies
Cracks? There has never been anything but a gaping black hole.
But hardly anybody looked as long as it was only supposed to hit "other people".
Literally
Absolutely brilliant!
You hit the nail on the head!
It's a pity the BBC don't tell the truth like this, a big thumbs up!
100 percent BBC is 🤯💩
"Lets just get through this". 🤣There is no "us" here my friend, you are fine, more than fine.
Cut our lawmakers salary by 65 per cent immediately
Most politicians could make more in the private sector. Thats the reality.
@@Andrei-hq9jd that was true a decade ago. very few MP's, especially on the labour benches could match or exceed their salary. Diane Abbot... Angela Rayner... Chris Grayling... Jeremy Corbyn... he left school with two E's in A level...
@@Andrei-hq9jd most doctors could as well
@@scapingby It's a fair comment that there are plenty of politicians that are incompetent. Lowering salaries surely wont help bring it competent people..
@@craigthebrute3104 I agree, especially nurses.
That RMT seems far smarter & more articulate than all the posh boy MP's
Interesting how the Government says that the rest of Europe has the same problems. Here in France, energy price rise was capped at 4%. On 1/04, 0,15 € reduction in fuel prices. Yes we have inflation, but half of the UK level. Finally,in little Britain, the rail sector is coming out on strike. Let's hope the rest follow.
Britain did not vote for a Le-Pen-party-like in parliament.
@@maneshipocrates2264 Why would they since they already have the torries in power?🧐
Did get left out of ORCAS though didn’t you? Little Frenchie
France socialist aren't even the main opposition. 3rd place. Ask yourself why. Because they fecked up so bad under Hollande.
France’s economy is unsustainable. There’s no way they can keep up this kind of spending.
I used to work in school as an assistant for 7 years and the money was terrible. I was good at my job and did so much more than I was paid for. I asked again and again for more money because I was always skint but they never did anything about it. Eventually I left and now I do freelance work for better pay. The cold truth is in ANY job there will always be someone willing to do it for less than it's worth, so don't expect them to look after you because they won't. If you think you are worth more, you have to go out and get it.
It shouldn't be this way for public servants!
Stupid anecdotal nonsense. Rail workers need higher pay. The fact you didn't get one for a public school is totally irrelevant.
@@philmitchellboxing8661 So you're saying rail workers need higher pay but teachers don't?
@@walden6272 no I agree teachers need higher pay, this clown asking for one then going freelance has nothing at all to do with the public sector issue.
@@philmitchellboxing8661 Am I missing something? Where did the OP say he worked in a ‘public school’?
The strikes in other sectors indicate the discontent is very widespread. I'd like to see even more, and in more places. Always support your local unions, they're the reason you have a 40-hour week, your children aren't working the mines, and that there is a minimum wage, among many things.
and that these days they just want more money for working less than anyone else....
you're aware they're payed with your money, right?
absolutely ! Unity is strength ! .
The pathetic situation of idiots working zero hour contracts right now beggars belief . Where the feck is the pride ????
This is a lie, and enablers like you spreading this lie is what’s allowing Nazis like Grant Schapps and Dominic Raab to take away our human rights bit by bit to send us right back to Victorian England.
@@ivok9846 so are the politicians that steal billions in dodgy PPE contracts. Wheres that 350ml a week from the bus?
Unions have nothing to do with children not working. Thats the result of productivity the gains of industrialization. Families could afford not have their children work.
These strikes only increase costs for families, if they keep it up, children will have to work again.
It’s less than a GP ? Answer the question . Surreal .
What's Mick Lynch on?
“The government is stopping a settlement to this dispute. They need something to cover up all the other ills and sins that they have committed.”
Accurate.
Yup yet another thing they can weaponise into distractions and culture war instead of dealing with the pain they are causing in the name of making themselves and their donors richer.
You people voted them in
Welcome to the Brexit.
@@henrywilloughby8333 the majority of votes cast in 2019 , 58% of them went to any party but the tories ,,,, but our broken democracy means 42% of the vote is enough to get an 80 seat majority henry , i hope this clears up any confusion and now you can say that the majority voted against this party running our country , cheers
This seems like the 1970s all over again.
tory brexit britain
1920s-30s.
When Labour was in?
@@leighsherval1023 Tory cretin
Completely support the strike, 100%. Government serves their donors, not the people, change is needed. The game board needs flipping. Its a broken system and we need a new Guy Fawkes to shake things up.
Shameful
@@timcomley3241 yes you are .
@@timcomley3241 that's what ur nan said when u were born
So your answer is to serve overpaid unions instead?
Its working people use these trains, another betrayal.
@@crown9413 So Railworker aren't working people ? Checkout Union officials wages compared to the Rail Network directors , then spout about it numbnuts .
I hope I see a report about how politicians are struggling and getting through the cost of living crisis
We've already been told by one of them that we can eat for 30p a portion.
Finger on the pulse, in the real world, eh?
How dare they tell us we can't starve in UK 2022?
They'll just steal more money from the taxpayer and then continue to say it's the poor, feckless, disabled, sick and immigrants who are stealing the money. Their core lunatic geriatric members will rant, dribble and drool all over their daily mail.
While your at it, why don't you offer a level playing field comment and include a union executive team reference ......and include all the other union executives while your at it?
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@@taxicamel yeah let me get my lawyer, union representative and we can talk it over,,k 😘🇬🇧
Big up RMT doing what the people need
Need to do the same for rest working people
And protest outside No 10 who get payrises like nothing u ever them complain
they're striking whist negotiations are going on. They get £40k a year to drive a train! c'on. And they're striking against modernisation because they dont want the extra work
@@jamesmichaels4979 train drives aren’t part of the strikes 🤣 you literally haven’t listen to any of the facts. The RMT didn’t walk of negotiations at all. People a being completely lied to
I support the strikes. General strike needed
SERIOUSLY? Sounds like you don't work .....or you don't WANT to work. Where is the money going to come from to put food on the table? You don't sound very intelligent.
The union is bringing this out to the PUBLIC …with only one objective ….to make the politicians look like bad people.
The politicians have no choice but to reciprocate ….talking to the public.
So the precedent has been set ...this is the typical PUBLIC ISSUE …with one party trying to make the other party look like fools.
The people PAYING FOR ALL THIS IS THE PUBLIC, YET the PUBLIC HAS NO REPRESENTATION in the process whatsoever.
Why not change this and allow the public to express their opinions/feelings ….after all, IT IS THEIR MONEY AT STAKE HERE.
Let's start this process with PUBLISHING EVERYTHING PUBLICLY about the current salaries throughout the train system ....and then PUBLISH PUBLICLY, what these UNIONS are demanding.
THEN, let the government publish what the actual additional costs are going to be to the travelling public.
EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ….WITH ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT EVERY PUBLIC SECTOR UNION AND THEIR FULL COMPENSATION PACKAGES …IN A SIMPLIFIED EASY-READ MANNER. The Collective Agreement is NOT an “easy-read” format.
THEN, let the consumers/passengers/public, vote (ONLINE OR AT LOCAL PUBLIC SPOTS) as to a "common-sense" selection of perhaps FIVE OPTIONS/CHOICES, such as:
1) give the union everything they want
2) give the union nothing
3) give the union 1/2 of what they want
4) give the union an amount that resembles the correct calculated inflation rate
5) give the union an amount that the public agrees to
Let's not forget that no one is forcing the people in the union to work at their jobs. If they don't like their jobs, or the pay, there is nothing stopping them from bettering their education for the purpose of making them eligible for better, higher paying jobs.
It is NOT difficult at all, with today's technology, for any intelligent government to set an "ONLINE VOTING SYSTEM", or to hire a "THIRD PARTY" polling company to set this up ......AND APPLY THIS PROCESS TO EVERY PUBLIC SECTOR EVERY TIME THEY DECIDE TO STRIKE .....WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH AT THE END OF EVERY COLLECTIVE AGREEMENT.
MAKE THIS A PERMANENT PROCESS FOR THE PUBLIC TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES!!!
If the public was to respond with a flat-out "NO" to any salary or benefits or pension or pension benefit increases ... what is the union going to do? They could very easily respond with a "NO" ....at which time then, the rail will shut down ......and the whole issue can be sent to the courts.
Just imagine the public's opinion of a union at this point. Does anyone think the union members care about the public or what the public thinks? ....and therein lies one of the primary problems.
The public systems belong to the people ...not to any UNION.
LET THE PEOPLE SPEAK!!! This should NOT be up to any politician or any political party to "decide" ANYTHING ....when it comes to ANY PUBLIC SECTOR UNION ......simply because it is the PUBLIC who is paying these salaries .....NOT POLITICIANS!!!
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All The Commonwealth & Nato ! Global Dragon Union !
@@taxicamel keep crying
Striking is the one tool workers have left to defend themselves. Wait how quickly they try to make it illegal after this. Good on the RMT
Collecting tickets is such a hard job.
@@imagecollections6665 cretin
@In Sane Yes, train conductors want to be paid more than nurses & teachers. It's not on & they should all be replaced with agency staff.
@In Sane To quote: The National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT) says workers are striking over job cuts, pay, working conditions and practices, and pensions.....you're going to make out they're paid poorly or work in tough conditions? bullshit, they're a bunch of prima donnas.
@@imagecollections6665 not to mention train drivers are on 60k a year, they’re overpaid as it is… complete joke
Good for them. We the British people have the right to stand up for what we believe is right and I support them completely in this strike
I support them. The workers of this country have had low pay rises, yet inflation is going through the roof whilst bosses make record profits. Many companies used. Covid to downgrade pay terms and reduce workings conditions. I think that it's time to push for better.
Yep, the strikes really suck, they're affecting me and some of my family, but what's their other choice? Shut up and accept that they're going to get paid less? That's no choice at all.
I blame the people that refuse to pay them a fair wage.
If we don't stand together we're f@#!£d
@@Eckull They aren't getting "paid less", they were offered a 3% payrise and refused. They're pushing for a 7% payrise. They're being greedy bastards and once again it's the normal person that's suffering based on the greed of others
@@mikepriestey2547 That's below inflation, so in real terms a pay cut.
@@Eckull No... A pay cut is a pay cut. Unless they're salary is going down then they're not getting a pay cut. The literal definition is "A decrease in pay or salary" is their salary decreasing? 😂
They may be getting underpaid due to inflation but they aren't getting a pay cut at all, that's nonsense.
“A pay rise will cause inflation”, I’ve heard that sentence many times. It’s an excuse to not pay workers fairly. Here is an idea, how about people making like £3’000’000 a year get a pay cut and not the people who are actually doing the work to keep the economy running. Just brainstorming here but that seems like a pretty good idea to me. The unionists are not the bad people, greedy politicians are.
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If the current inflation is indeed temporary then why can't the government offer a one off pay rise to cope with it?
Isn't that funny seeing how politicians can just increase their own wages whenever they want
imagine all the rich people getting out of the country bcs of this , i'm sure that's not a good idea ... , unless it's a logical cut as if its given to help the country then yeah that's a good way to help but forcing some major cut , trust me everyone will run away and will cause a massive damage .....
@@fwixgamer4796 imo, rich people leaving wouldn't be too bad. They are already in their little bubble with all their other rich homies, isolated from society and buying assets all around the world to evade government taxes. They are hoarding the wealth while doing everything they can to not share any of it with people who need it much more than them.
We have horrendous inflation that came about because parts of the Government were partying instead of doing their day job of managing the economy.
Why do they not get it? Working people will not be taken for fools.
this storm has been brewing for decades, to increase profits companies make cuts, rinse and repeat a few years and u find that there's nothing left to cut, in fact, now that there's a real crisis, there's no buffer. all because stock holders needed their ever higher profits. the system is broken, it has been for years and years.
there will be a reset, there has to be, this will not blow over like the 2007 crash. the occupy movement called this 15 years ago.
so... yeah the working people have been taken for fools for decades. lets hope they finally wake up, all across europe, and make the change happen that we need.
So far, based on their voting behaviour, working people were quite rightly treated as fools. Or at least enormously gullible folks.
The strikers are supported...go for it!
No they are not.!
@@chilesauce7248 cryyyyyyyyy
By 25 percent those with brains dont
@@chilesauce7248 tory cretin
@@mattwilson3310 If only you had a brain
Tax the F-ing rich!! 🤬🤬🤬
40% of British public don't pay any income tax.. The top 1% pay 1/3 of all taxes.
@@Andrei-hq9jd what's your point
@@MrRoden96 My point is that the rich do pay taxes and quite a lot. The bigger issue is what are we doing with those taxes.
@@Andrei-hq9jd U have no point foreigner
@@mattwilson3310 Hah, here we go, real xenophobic colours come out.
Less than a GP? He's comparing himself to a GP? Is this guy for real? And that's before all their expense claims. I'm spitting nickels and I'm not even British.
That's exactly what I thought when he said that and he's not telling the truth at all. GPS earn about 80k on average. MPs earn more than that AND claim alcohol and food expenses as well as travel expenses and housing. So average of 20k in expenses on top. GPs don't get expenses . That MP is telling an untruth. But what's new the tories love a liar!
@@inksterinky9820 Not to mention that doctors go through med school, make life or death decisions every day, work 12-hour night shifts frequently, have to keep up with the latest research, expose themselves to all sorts of infectious diseases, and have to face abuse from people at their worst every time they go to work.
Are you an American?
GPs didn't have booze ups at work during covid.
@@fuckbankers Canadian,
Good for the strikers. People are treated very badly in the UK workforce. These companies and the penalty charge politicians need a good lesson.
Why dont increase the tax on the rich and the super rich? Mansions in London that are worth billions ffs. Dont blame on the strikers. Blame on the income inequlaity, hyper capatalism and failed governments.
This exactly! It depresses me to think that half of the nation support Rishi's and his rhetoric to excuse his policies of raising taxes on the working poor. People are literally spending their time shopping around to save literally a few pence. It is sick really that thus government believe this is a necessary evil.
@@dimwit3006 rishi the twit never supported working class people, I'm not sure who supports that lizard
Why don't landlords get the same criticism? They can put rent up above inflation. No problem. Ask for extra pay, to pay your rent. Oh, that risks a spiral out of control inflation. Wouldn't be tories are landlords, would it?
They can't start doing that now! Not after years of building London into a giant safe space for the rich, the powerful, the oligarchs. Don't be ridiculous
@@kerryfry1857 A landlord signs a contract with a tenant and no they cannot just put the rent up within the contract they sign. Obviously they can increase the rent after the contract expires as It is their property, no? Or you don't believe in private property?
honestly you could hear the aggression and distane for working people coming from the tory minister ,his area should be ashamed
I like how his excuse for not paying rail workers is because they're failing nurses and care workers even more.
"If you think that's bad look at this, now don't you feel stupid!?"
The Brits have always been steamrolled by their elites.. The strikes are so few and far between, that this one truly shocked me.. Gj for once.
Shocking the disparity in britain. The royals are still a powerful bunch in 2022…crazy
Oooh, this is just the start. Caused by many years of neglect. Funding for so many projects dropped away. Even the EU funds for local projects won't be replaced. Farmers are also going to have enormous hard years to come as subsidies disappear. People are fed up and struggling.
Yes ....it has been a hard process for the last two years, for EVERYONE ....mainly because of COVID. A lot of people, specifically in the PRIVATE SECTORS that have no UNIONS. These people have had to figure out how to change and live ....unlike those in PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS ....who don't know what it is like to be forced to re-invent themselves.
Ridership is down on the rail system. This means there is less work to do .....but this union wants MORE .....and have REJECTED THE LAST OFFERS ....WHICH REMAIN A SECRET.
Ever wonder what these offers were? Shouldn't you know what this union is rejecting? The taxpayers have paid for this rail system....and continue to pay for this "service".
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@@taxicamel I like the point you make about the private sector. Our salaries have also stagnated for more than a decade. But it's important to note that saving the rail transport network has little to do with the people employed within it. Having a functioning public transport system is essential for any developed nation. So that 16B support during the COVID period is just safeguarding critical infrastructure. If the public transport system collapses then the downward spiral towards banana republic status is guaranteed.
@@taxicamel Why do you keep spamming these comments with your uninformed drivel? Go take a nap son.
@@taxicamel umm, perhaps you should rant before the alcohol kicks in. Then you might make sense. Listen, listen, listen to what the RMT has been saying. Then your rant wouldn't be necessary. 😊
The median salary of 44000 pounds includes train drivers who are represented by a different union and they earn as much as 59000 pounds a year. This figure skews the median figure for the total population of rail workers upwards by about 11000 pounds. If you exclude train driver salaries and include all other categories of rail workers whose salaries are more homogenous then the median salary is about 33000 pounds a year which is also comparable to nurses and teachers median wages. It's simply like assuming a median salary for NHS workers where doctors salaries are combined with nursing assistants and cleaners. Obviously the data would be skewed upwards and therefore not representative of the general population of NHS workers youd need to use inferential statistics like regression analysis not just descriptive statistics like the median to arrive at an accurate figure. Driver salaries are outliers.
That’s not how “median” statistics work. A median salary means 50% of people make equal to or more than that number. It’s not the same as taking an average where high income earners skew the results.
@Chris And if they went on strike then the capital would suffer even more. Fact is, they are vital and should be treated as such. And as for 'they are paid more than nurses' etc, well that's easy. Pay nurses what they are worth - IE much more than they are now!
Perhaps the MPs could take a pay cut to subsidise it! /s
@Chris And what happens once they have laid off so many people that the trains can't run because they have enforced mandatory redundancies?
And what happens to the disabled that need help - do we just leave them on the trains, like the airlines are doing?
"all the people who aren't unionised..." So, unionise! It's not rocket science!
Selfishness? What about the selfishness of the bosses and the massive dividends? The Network Rail boss is on almost £600K!
And this argument of the "pain is evenly distributed" is rubbish, as seen in the above point. MPs are not going to feel that pain, nor are the City Spivs, who are about to have their bonuses uncapped so that point, with respect, is rubbish.
"...pushing their pain onto someone else" so what then? They just live with it? So does everyone else? Whilst some live the life of riley on the backs of the workers? I suspect that you are in the minority, especially if the poll today of support for the rail workers is accurate!
@Chris So, you are saying that if you can't afford to join a union, buy shares?! Then, suddenly you change that to choosing between union subs or shares! And I'VE missed the point?!
Yeah, I've read all I need to! Stop drinking the Kool-Aid!
@Chris Mate, you torpedoed your own argument, my work here is done!
"Let’s get through this, and better times will be ahead."
You had 12 years to do that, you lost that privilege. I’m sick to the back teeth of just living to get by. I want to live happy in Britain 🇬🇧, my home.
"It's less than a GP" as it should be mate
He knows it’s less then a GP’s but won’t confirm his own, as if we don’t know.
But its ok for MPs to get huge pay rises...take that into account ..these 'experts' are talking pure Captain Birdeyes WAFFLE!
I fully support the strike. Good on them.
Hear hear Arron
hear hear
Hear hear
you obviously dont rely on this service
@@valtiel8383 i do. I just see the big picture.
A good piece of journalism here. I'd almost forgotten what it looked like.
Thank you C4
Why don't we just get the money back that they gave to tory donors for fake ppe?
Southern Trains have been practicing for this strike for several years now by ignoring the published timetable and having trains that can sometimes take many days to arrive at their scheduled destinations also including ghost trains that randomly appear
Surely it s not Japan railways 🤣
Not as bad as Scotland, Scotland Rail has more days off than our doctor who has been unavailable for so long I have forgot his name.
Trains that don't run on time, now that takes me back
Yes exactly, which is why they can't afford to loose the 4 billion of investment!!
The only people that are saying 'we need to get through this' are the ones that 'this' doesn't affect.
Are your referring to the rail ridership who will likely be paying more for their tickets ....and the taxpayers who will also being paying more in taxes ......WHICH INCLUDES EVERYONE !?
@@taxicamel The people who don't want the strikes saying that it's just temporary high inflation low wage etc... people like the minister for transport saying it'll all be fine when we get through this. Those people are who I mean, who it doesn't effect. When do you think the last time one of the front bench Tory MPs got a bus or train?
@@taxicamel better start riding a camel then, eh 🐫
Because there are fewer trains operating, they are actually running on time. I cannot remember the last time British Rail was this reliable!!...Oh the irony.
Of course it is easier to run just a few trains. A delay is not going to affect everything else like dominoes
The Tories threw that useless MP to bat for them. Good luck to the workers and stay strong.
......and wish everyone who uses the rail, an increase in ticket costs to pay for the whatever the new settlement will be.
@@taxicamel I wish the Unions set the prices, the companies do you clown. They can choose to make less profit and keep prices down.
Solidarity !!! ✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿
cringe
Working on the underground is no joke. Imagine not seeing daylight all day. These people deserve a fair pay!
That's why I refuse to work in the underground
@@HShango not forgetting the amount of abuse these workers take!
@@dgrbcreations the karen's are always making complaints to them
@@dgrbcreations They take a lot of verbal abuse from karens who complain and it isn't fair
Then dont work for the underground?
Isn’t this the same thing that the American/Canadian truckers just said? Airlines can’t employ enough people, teachers are leaving because they aren’t making enough!!! What’d you think would happen to mass transit?
I can’t even imagine trying to keep everything moving. Especially, food, and baby formula! There’s millions of Americans working 60+ hrs wk, taking short weekends, pay premium prices for daycare and at the pump! Just getting to work, and kids are now out of school!Homes are getting hard pressed to afford, add electricity for our a\c, it, and suddenly makes a heat stroke not sound so bad.
We’re rats running in a wheel but all we’re getting is a few crumbs. No personal time, and no health insurance either! So when they CANT NO MORE, they’re forced leave work and urgently seek Medicaid for Emergency Mental Health Services!
Add all these other issues, like eating nothing but Cheap pizza, Ramen Noodles and crackers or cereal, rice goes in everything! ! It’s the American Capitalist’s special moment to run out and shop those big-ticket items that are drastically reduced, cuz no one else can afford them. If a single parent or parent of a large family, better get familiar with gardening, raising chickens, eggs, and using solar lights, and water cooling. Because what lies ahead could be worse!
Smh for the ones in this heat wave!
"isn’t this the same thing that the American/Canadian truckers just said? " nope, their platform was on vaccination mandates, probably masks too . Seems silly now.
@Fishing Stevie
Yes I know, but this is a global problem. Besides America has only a handful of commuter trains. Mostly in places like Chicago, New York, San Francisco, and these are very old ones, running on anent old rails, and that’s a problem that won’t get fixed until more people get killed in derailments!
every time that a deal with train companies looks possible, they need to then refer to the Treasury and Department for Transport.
Do you notice that not any "offer" has been made public? Lots of rejecting from the union, but no information made public.
The union is bringing this out to the PUBLIC …with only one objective ….to make the politicians look like bad people.
The politicians have no choice but to reciprocate ….talking to the public.
So the precedent has been set ...this is the typical PUBLIC ISSUE …with one party trying to make the other party look like fools.
The people PAYING FOR ALL THIS IS THE PUBLIC, YET the PUBLIC HAS NO REPRESENTATION in the process whatsoever.
Why not change this and allow the public to express their opinions/feelings ….after all, IT IS THEIR MONEY AT STAKE HERE.
Let's start this process with PUBLISHING EVERYTHING PUBLICLY about the current salaries throughout the train system ....and then PUBLISH PUBLICLY, what these UNIONS are demanding.
THEN, let the government publish what the actual additional costs are going to be to the travelling public.
EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ….WITH ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT EVERY PUBLIC SECTOR UNION AND THEIR FULL COMPENSATION PACKAGES …IN A SIMPLIFIED EASY-READ MANNER. The Collective Agreement is NOT an “easy-read” format.
THEN, let the consumers/passengers/public, vote (ONLINE OR AT LOCAL PUBLIC SPOTS) as to a "common-sense" selection of perhaps FIVE OPTIONS/CHOICES, such as:
1) give the union everything they want
2) give the union nothing
3) give the union 1/2 of what they want
4) give the union an amount that resembles the correct calculated inflation rate
5) give the union an amount that the public agrees to
Let's not forget that no one is forcing the people in the union to work at their jobs. If they don't like their jobs, or the pay, there is nothing stopping them from bettering their education for the purpose of making them eligible for better, higher paying jobs.
It is NOT difficult at all, with today's technology, for any intelligent government to set an "ONLINE VOTING SYSTEM", or to hire a "THIRD PARTY" polling company to set this up ......AND APPLY THIS PROCESS TO EVERY PUBLIC SECTOR EVERY TIME THEY DECIDE TO STRIKE .....WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH AT THE END OF EVERY COLLECTIVE AGREEMENT.
MAKE THIS A PERMANENT PROCESS FOR THE PUBLIC TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES!!!
If the public was to respond with a flat-out "NO" to any salary or benefits or pension or pension benefit increases ... what is the union going to do? They could very easily respond with a "NO" ....at which time then, the rail will shut down ......and the whole issue can be sent to the courts.
Just imagine the public's opinion of a union at this point. Does anyone think the union members care about the public or what the public thinks? ....and therein lies one of the primary problems.
The public systems belong to the people ...not to any UNION.
LET THE PEOPLE SPEAK!!! This should NOT be up to any politician or any political party to "decide" ANYTHING ....when it comes to ANY PUBLIC SECTOR UNION ......simply because it is the PUBLIC who is paying these salaries .....NOT POLITICIANS!!!
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I blame the tories
Good question, what’s the median pay for an MP… and he didn’t even know.
Ask why nationalised railways in Spain are owning ours privately? Ask why nationalised rails systems in many eu countries benefit their citizens with low fares? And they are more sustainable as public assets?
Because Tories.
Empirical data has shown the farcical lie that privatisation and deregulation is but the Tories want their cut of the profits, country and people be damned.
Startling to not hear the B word once as a contributory factor to inflation… ostriches abound in the UK!!!
GOOD!RMT, IN SUPPORT OF WORKER THUMBS UP , BOJO USELESS THIS IS ALL HIS FAULT BRINGING BREXIT, BRINGING THE COUNTRY INTO RECESSION
it was hard to see at the time i'll admit, brexit was a hoax to divert attention from his mistakes, this is manipulation of the people he must resign. come to our country from america and tell us how to live? don't think so buddy
I'm not trying to be negative but it sure feels like the world is unravelling.
That started way before now
We need to shine a light on this. Say it louder! Change is to come.
Yes changing railway workers for agency staff, Great idea.
Yes lets increase their wages and pass the cost down to the passengers who are commuting to their min wage job.
maybe the government should have started talks earlier, rather than stoking up division and hatred between workers. without unions none of.us would have parental leave, sick pay, 5 day working week etc. The unions are the workers. protect your job and rights, join a union ✊
Are the RMT or any other union worried about any one other than their members. I think not.
If these strikers are not careful, most will go the way of the mines. Automation is just around the corner.
Like the way the government minister dodges the question on his pay, he really didnt want to say what he earns. Channel 4, grow a pair and make them answer your questions not allow them to just ignore what they don`t like to be asked.
Absolutely! They should not move on to another question/ subject until a direct answer is given ! If they continue to avoid an answer , the interview should be aborted on grounds of the subject not willing to answer questions .
MP's get £84k. Mick Lynch is on £120k. You could always get yourself on the ballot paper if it's just about an individual's salary. It's irrelevant in my opinion.
Wow the way that he keeps going on about the 44,000 median wage, even though it's been shown to be disingenuous, really just goes to show that he is absolutely comfortable with bald faced lying Basically, whatever else he says has 0 credibility.
Even if it was 44, 000 its still 40,000 less than what he's getting not counting the perks
Good luck to the strikers! more power to the people!
And what about the people who aren't getting the pay rise? You know, the rest of the working class who will suffer for these upper-middle class train operators. 'The people' is such an oxymoron when you realise 'the people' who operate the trains are using 'the people' as ammunition to get rich and no longer be 'the people'.
@SeriousMcnegative this isn't a train driver strike, it's railworkers not drivers dumbass... If people are poorly paid, then they need to join a union and demand more pay, the money is out there but bosses are hoarding it. "The people" are workers, who without there is no profit or business.
16:04 Exactly, well put👏
And btw, all that talk about pay rises being currently bad for the economy doesn't really seem to hold water, how about people having more in their pockets thus spending more?, surely that helps the economy, no?
Where do you think the increase in wages would come from? Thats right your and my taxes. So really it will just mean less for everyone in the long run once they put up taxes again to cover the cost.
100%
Arriva bus drivers in West Yorkshire are into their 3rd full week of being on strike, and people are complaining about no trains for 3 separate days in a week
Do you have any idea how many people in London rely on the railways you dumbass? West Yorkshire population /economy is nothing in comparison
The Backbone of England.
You clearly don't comprehend the damage it causes to people that work.
@@Andrei-hq9jd Just work from home? U shouldn't be travelling to work in 2022
@@saltney17 Obviously not all jobs can be done from home.
The rich are the richest they have ever been. And the poor are the poorest they've ever been. Something doesn't add up. No more tax cuts for corporations and the 1%. Either everyone floats or we all sink together.
Well firstly , wealth is not finite and can be created, so while the one percent get richer it doesn't mean it was stolen off the poor sorry to disagree with your Marxism but that theory is bs. While I agree people are poor now in the UK it's not the poorest we have been by a longshot, I think we about to start feeling that all over again soon though. Personally think most of the public money is squandered in management and doesn't get through to the guys on the ground
And worse still thev MEGA rich feel no shame or embarrassment to being so much disproportionately richer.
Anyone with substantial life experience would say "that's what happens under a Tory government"... but the working classes are still dumb enough to vote for them.
@@smashmash2714 Marxist? All I did was state facts. Corporations and the uber wealthy have had massive gains during the past few decades and the pandemic. They benefit from low to no taxes. Is it Marxist to have everyone pay their fair share. Most folks are all for people making gains. Fairness in monetary policy is the question.
@@jdsthird no. apologies, it's just the idea that wealth is finite so when the rich get richer they must be stealing from the poorer is a Marxist economic fallacy, and often spouted by their ilk. I assumed you were pointing to something similar because you said "something doesn't add up" so apologize about that. But agree the rich have got richer and poorer poorer and agree it would better to have them pay a bit more into the bucket lol
So because they are paid well dose it mean they need to not have a pay rise for 3 years wen inflation is getting out of hand. 🤦🏽♂️ y did these government fools give themselves a pay rise this year.
they want the pay rise without the extra work. because they're opposing modernisation
In other words : Britain has gone to the dogs 😢
I’m afraid we are going backwards in life
The government should do more to discourage people from taking the car and incentivise rail travel. At the end of the day, rail workers can only get pay rises and the rail network can only be upgraded and funded if enough people are buying the tickets to use it! (Railway Designer here)
Our train operating company paid share holders 7million in 2020, 8 in 2021. Our boss earns 120k and is upset at our pay rise demand as he only got 1% rise. What can I say to that.
Depends on the system. Good systems require tax payer money to function.
Mr Lynch makes an excellent point - full employment and falling wages makes no sense from an economic point of view.
10:04, there was no mention of excessive fuel duty. Drastistically cut that and it would instantly help prevent this crisis from escalating toward the sort of norms it had become during the 1970's.
It’s starts with the railway then all others sud stand up and be counted. I am full behind the srikes.
Is right Lee
Shame on you
@@timcomley3241 and on you .
@@timcomley3241 whatever clown
This government has squandered a lot of our taxes on sleazy contracts!
Track recording trains have been around for as long as I can remember. And I have been working on the Underground for nearly 40 years.
I support them 100%
Love hearing working class union bosses from London. They take zero bs! RIP Bob Crowe!
a dog chasing its tail and throwing fuel onto a fire are quite different analogies lol
Great question from the interviewer at 7:55, "What's the median for a Government Minister?". Unfortunately, the question wasn't answered and the interviewer didn't demand an answer.
Good on them!! exposing the torries for what they are doing to this country!
Good luck to the strikers!
They will need itgreedybuggers
@@timcomley3241 burgers? What a weird insult lol
@@timcomley3241 not really. They are united and unity is strength. When was your last pay rise ?
How many kids and teachers go to school by train? Near me they either use the bus, bikes, car or walk.
It's gonna get worse in the winter
tax the rich
That is just dreams 🤣
And will it really bring the country to halt, didn't we just spend a couple years getting by without travelling to work?
Lol, they're strikes on the tubes every few months. Now imagine if it was buses... That would be scary.
at the end, he was bassically saying for us to deal with it.
IM ALL BEHIND THE RMT
Many years ago I used to work as a signaller. I eventually learnt that there was a ceiling to how far you could get promoted. At a certain point you would get students getting placements straight from university into middle management jobs. In the end I left as it was people like me who did the hard yards and many hours to help keep the network running. Those that work the signal boxes and drive the trains right down to the cleaners deserve every penny they get. Those above deserve nothing.
That is the same in the NHS all over.
@@california7376 Its pretty much the same in every sector mate - I have worked in various companies and they all do that - ignore the hard workers and instead import a kid straight from university to be the new manager - there is no way up a company any more which is why I have given up.
Seven percent pay rise 😂 pull the other one
Thank you, Channel 4 for your excellent reporting. 👏👏👏
Stand with the strikers, everyone will benefit
SUPPORT THE STRIKERS !
Yay, let's destroy the economy.
@@Andrei-hq9jd Cry some more
@@saltney17 What an intelligent comment.
@@Andrei-hq9jd keep crying hahahaha
@@Andrei-hq9jd no one likes u
There's no evidence for a causal relationship between wage increases and price inflation, yet economists continue to offer it as fact.
This outdated hypothesis relies on the erroneous assumption that workers consume what they produce, but in today's globalized world, this is no longer the case. Instead, developed countries import many goods, while an increasing number of employees work in the service sector, which also exports. Meanwhile, in developing countries, many workers can't (yet) afford to purchase the goods they manufacture, which are instead exported.
Consequently, wage increases in the service sector don't cause a rise in the price of imported/manufactured goods (such as groceries/clothes), which is why the cost of these hasn't risen much overall. Instead, they lead to increased DISCRETIONARY spending, as these workers spend more on eating/drinking out, entertainment, travel and vacations, which in turn grows the economy, by adding jobs to provide these discretionary services.
Instead, the CURRENT price inflation is mostly due to supply chain issues (caused by Covid-19 impact followed by Ukraine War) leading to delivery delays and shortages, as decreasing supply struggles/fails to meet increasing demand.
Indeed, price inflation was actually reasonably stable at 3-5% over the last ~30 years, with prices even remaining constant for several years after the global financial crisis of 2008-2013.
The elephant in the room is that the causes of price inflation aren't just poorly understood, but also poorly tracked!
This means that _when price inflation appears in certain sectors, businesses can use it as an excuse to stealthily increase their own prices, _*_regardless of whether their costs have actually increased._* Even worse, if they dominate a market they can raise prices without worrying about their products becoming uncompetitive!
*The end result of this lack of pricing transparency is that price inflation is used as an excuse to increase profit margins for corporations.*
Excellent analysis, businesses are increasing prices (not all but most) some increases genuinely I’m sure to cover their additional overhead costs, some companies increases are partially driven not necessarily on cost to serve but in line with their competitors, bespoke products as you intimate because they can. This whole discussion regarding wage increases generally being far less than inflation and that we can’t increase wages in line with inflation or it exasperates the inflation. I am not hearing discussions (or it’s very scare) on why businesses have to increase costs based on cost increases they are seeing, generally they are not using a 2 to 3% marker they use for their workers, oh no more like 10 %, 15% maybe and unlike most people have an annual salary review, no such restrictions on business to review in line, the increase whenever there profits look under potential threat (I certainly do not believe all businesses are the same and I do know their are genuine business who simply cannot absorb their increased overheads and struggle to stay in business, so tories what analysis have been done on companies profit in line with overhead increases are they trying to mitigate by absorbing some of this transitory inflation or merely passing it down the line to workers who In the huge majority aren’t seeing income increases that coincide with inflation, they cannot increase a sales price nor can they generally mitigate the increase of what the spend there earnings on
Yes there is a cost of living issue but Business set market price, customer has little choice to pay this price, next to no chance if market prices are in line , customer can’t get an increase in wages to cover increased cost so they pay it or go without. Across the board are company profits (generally speaking) losing the percentage profit that a public and many private sector workers (lower middle end workers) are losing in salary compared with inflation??? As a whole who are the losers here, who is taking to pain or certainly shouldering the majority of it???
How can last minute talks fail when neither the business owners or the government refused to budge on anything no matter how reasonable the requests? Last minute talks imply that there were talks, you can't have talks when they refuse to engage with those striking.
mp's shouldnt be in charge of how good they have it.