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Pool Start Up What Chemicals to Use and How to Add Them
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2022
- Adding Start Up Chemicals to your pool is easy. In this video I'll show you what chemicals you'll need and how to add them (and how much to add so you don't over dose your pool water).
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Thank you!!!!! Your commitment of time to make these are much appreciated sir!
Thank you for the info on the phosphates. My back yard is also lined with pine trees and the pollen from them is obvious at times in the pool. Glad to know about phosphate remover!!!
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Good video brother. You make it easy for the new pool owners like me.
Glad to hear it. Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you will subscribe to my channel and please share it with everyone you know.
Thank you! I have been struggling to find a video that explains exactly what to do and yours nailed it! New SUBSCRIBER here!
Glad to hear it. Thanks for subscribing and commenting.
you make it simple. going to us your process this pool season. wish me luck!
I’m very excited for you. Thanks for commenting. Actually taking care of your pool yourself is simple or I wouldn’t be able to do it. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions even if you’re looking for a specific topic chances are I’ve done a video on it and I can send you a direct link to it rather than you have to do a bunch of searching remember my email address Kennypoolschool@gmail.com
Thank you, I've been watching so many video's and they all have huge lists of chemicals. No order to put them in.
This one is quick, easy and simple. Going to get these supplies tomorrow for our new pool. Thanks again!
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you'll subscribe and share my channel with others.
Hello again, We are on a well. Our TDS right out of the water well is a TDS of 1700. So, the next time we refill the pool, we are going to filter the water first with a hose filter. That PR 10,000 is a miracle! Your videos are awesome. I will donate to your cause! Thank you!
So glad to hear that the videos are helpful. And thank you for donating.
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Hey Kenny! Fellow Arizona Pool tech, I’ve got a question. How can I raise alkalinity in a pool without raising the PH? I’ve been having issues with new build pools. I’ll add 4 pounds of bi carb and the alkalinity will only rise 10ppm but the PH will jump to an 8.0. Thank you! Also I plan on giving a good donation to your tapping the world project. AZ pool techs stick together
Typically Bicarb of soda raises Alkalinity more and less effects the pH. While Soda Ash raises the pH more and alkalinity less.
And I thank you in advance for your donation to my tapping the world project. We start filming end of may.
Because new pools will raise in PH as the plaster cures usually demands more acid throughout the first 9-12 months of the new plaster
I use liquid chlorine way more than the pucks, my cya is in the range but on the high side, we keep the pool open year round- south central Texas.
amazingly explained man 💯
Thank you. Draining it now in Tucson. Had too much calcium. Thank you again.
@@Hannelore7 one thing to keep in mind I know in our area in Arizona we have extremely hard water to begin with, which means there’s a lot of calcium in it. So for us in my area, even if we drain and refill pool, the water is going to be excessively hard. So before you drain your pool and refill it test your source water and see what it’s hardness level is if it’s hard or close to as hard as the readings you’re getting on your pool water, then it would be a waste of water to change it because you’re just putting hard water back into your pool.
@@PoolSchooler Our water in Tucson is horrible..everything has calcium buildup on faucets.I never had this problem with the pool. I added to much ash soda and it turned white like soap water. I was always able to adjust the levels but for some reason right now nothing is working. I cant even go in pool because I end up with dried powder film on skin.
@@Hannelore7 to be clear, since you have so much calcium in your regular Tucson water changing the water is not gonna help that at all. However, it sounds like you did overdose your pool with soda, Ash. So you might have to drain and refill it to clear that out. Make sure if you do you watch my video on startup chemicals and how to add them so you don’t overdose your pool again and end up right back where you started from.
Lastly, when it comes to adding soda ash to your pool, you should only use it to raise your pH and then you should only use a pound at a time
@@PoolSchooler Thank you soooo very much. yes I did over dose it I think. Refilling it as i type. Will def watch your video on stat up. Returning the shock I bought and got the liq chlorine.
Hey, I couldn't find a video you did for the inline chlorinator adjustment. Mine goes from off to 5. Just hoping you could do a video on this. I know it's going to change with every pool but hoping to get more knowledge in general on it.
It really does differ a bit from pool to pool, climate, season and use. Can you email me a picture of your cell/system then I can better help you. BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST - make sure you have proper salt levels in your pool and your salt cell is clean.
Hey Kenny, just subscribed to your channel 🤙🏻 I’m in Mesa and have pebble install tomorrow. Any references for pool start ups? Yourself? Thank you for all of the knowledge!
Why waste your money having someone do it? The only thing I'd suggest is follow the pebble tech installers instructions on how long to wait (after filling the pool) before adding the chemicals. Typically pebble tech has to "cure" for a time. So ask the installer for that time frame. Then just follow the instructions in this video.
Hey Kenny, I'm over in Gilbert, super glad I found this channel last year as a first time pool owner. But dang I've had to re-fill my pebbletech pool the last 3 years straight bc my chemistry gets jacked. I re-filled in the fall so I didn't have to deal with CYA through the roof all winter, and it's right where I want to be now but I have struggled with algae blooms since day 1. I just can't seem to keep chlorine in the pool no matter how many pucks I add(even after getting to proper levels with liquid chlorine, I'm constantly having to brush and shock. I switched to tri-chlor shock last year to avoid mineral & stabilizer based powder shocks(the junk Leslie's sold me), and started shocking with liquid chlorine. I think a big part is running pop up cleaners and the pool is just not as clean as I think it is (phosphates) and my phosphate remover isn't effective enough (Phos-free). I think I should suck it up and get a pool cleaner(and skimmer adapter bc the people built this pool without a dedicated suction port) and try PR-10,000. Any of that sound close?
Sorry you had to learn the hard way about Leslies. I'm not a fan to be sure. I've tried phos free and found it's not as effective as PR10k. Also, when you use phosphate remover you want to clean your filter media more often.
Yes it sounds like your doing fine. BUT I'm wondering why you have to change your water annually. Many of my pools have CYA levels at 300 (which is the time I tell them to replace the water) but they still do fine with chlorine.
Also stay tuned I'm doing a product review (I've had it in one of my client's pools for the past 4 months) and if it does what the manufacturers say it does it could literally change the face of the pool chemistry industry. I'm planning on posting the product review next week so subscribe and turn on my channel notifications so you don't miss it.
thank you, joining your group
I appreciate it and thank you
what do you think about the taylor pro test kit?
I started (way back when) with the Taylor test kit then "graduated" to the pro test kit. For my needs *(speed and convenience) I chose to go with the AquaChek Pro Test Strips (for my weekly pools) I recommend the AquaChek Silver Test Strips (for pool owners cause they also test for CYA). I've found both to be accurate enough for my needs and never had a problem with any of my test strips. That said, it really depends on your preference. If you love the Taylor (or any liquid) test kit) or even a digital tester then use what's most comfortable for you. 👍
Hi there. Thank you for the video. Question what would I need for the 24 for above ground round pool?
I’m sorry I’m a bit confused. What do you mean by the “24“ ?
Wait a minute if I’m correct you’re asking what you would need for a 24 foot Above Ground Pool? All the same chemicals you just have to be careful that you don’t let any granular chemicals settle on the bottom of the vinyl or it could cause damage or at least staining. But it’s the same chemistry so yes, you would use the same chemicals on your start up but consider the size and you might want to reduce the amount of chemicals that you add and do them gradually. Remember, you can always test and retest and add more chemicals but once you get too much in there sometimes it’s hard to reverse that process.
Thanks for the video! How much PR 10000 do you use for a 25000 gallon Phoenix pool and how often for maintenance.
I would follow the manufacturer recommendations on the back panel of their product. For the initial dose it really depends on the condition of your pool and the water. If you’ve got visible algae, you probably need to put more in initially and then probably once a month they maintenance dose based on the manufacturers recommendations on the back panel
@@PoolSchooler thanks! I just filled it 5 days ago. I’ll get a reading from the pool store and go from there? I was mostly just going to do it for maintenance like the pool in your video. My phosphates do tend to get pretty high pretty quickly.
@@MichaelPDeBusk They can indeed in Phx.
Hello,
I just had my pool re-plastered. Would this be a good procedure to follow to add the chemicals back into my pool?
Absolutely.
Do you recommended adjusting alkalinity before cl2 and stabilizer?
I know that's the recommendation but with weekly pool service I merely add them all at once as needed. But with a start up I'd suggest the chlorine, and stabilizer first then w/in the next couple of hours work on the alkalinity and ph.
Hey Kenny could you tell me if you have a video for “chlorinate no flow” how to recalibrate the Hayward salt aqua plus
I actually haven't done one on that subject. It's been my understanding that when you have that warning on your system it's not a calibration issue it's a faulty flow sensor.
Hello we have an approx. 25000 inground pool that we recently did a partial drain due to high conditioner levels, since then my conditioner seems to have stabilized at 50ish but I can't seem to lower my pH. I have dumped 3 gallons of muranic acid in the past week, 1/2 gallon at a time but still reading high. Is this normal? Thanks
No, that sounds like an awful lot of muriatic acid to have to add to a pool. Have you checked the pH of your water source? It could be that the pH of your water source is super high and that’s what’s happening. Or there could be something in the chemical make up of your above ground pool vinyl liner or something else going on. Check your source water first and see you’re the pH in that is really really high. And that might be the problem.
@@PoolSchooler yes I did use the same test on my water source and it was off the charts high, with that being said should I continue to add, I never did do an acid demand test. It is an inground plaster pool in Riverside California thanks again I appreciate your videos, very helpful. 👍
@@so6585 when you have a pH in your water source that is so high you might be fighting a losing battle trying to lower it plus you’re putting an awful lot of acid into your pool which then the people swimming in it are bathing in and it’s absorbing into their skin. So you might want to check with somebody in your area about that and see if there’s a way to help out without having to add so much acid.
I never thought to check the PH of my water source. That could be my problem too!
How much stabilizer would you use on a 26k gal pool?
After doing a water change...
@@joshuaware5406 to be honest with you there is no specific set amount that I recommend. I would say in a pool that size start with 1 pound of CYA run your system for a couple hours till it completely distributes in the pool and test your CYA again repeat that process until your CYA levels hit the low side of ideal
Do you recommend adjusting alkalinity first and then ph ? My co workers tell me to lower ph first then adjust alk. But that doesn’t make sense since the alk is the buffer/bodyguard of ph
Typically I honestly add all the chemicals at once. I was taught by four "mentors" to do it that way and it's not been a problem. But some people think differently.
@@PoolSchooler so do you add calcium increaser along with acid or anything else the pool needs on the same day ?
@@imthepoolman5757 Not in our area. The water out here is so hard it has way more calcium than normal so we don't have to supplement calcium into our water at all.
Will 2lbs granular stabilizer be the same as 2lbs liquid stabilizer?? Thanks
I honestly don’t know about that conversion. Since I only use granular stabilizer. I would probably read the label of the liquid stabilizer and see if there’s some kind of conversion i.e. what 2 pounds of liquid is equivalent to in the solid.
@@PoolSchooler appreciate it, also, after you add your start up chemicals, how long should I wait before adding my regular weekly maintenance chlorine tabs? I usually add 3 chlorine tabs and 3 clear balance tabs. Just refilled pool due to age of water, followed your steps, and it’s now the next day. Just checking when to add the tabs, thanks!
@@jamesm_tx honestly once you get your start up chemicals in, you can pretty much put in your chlorine tablets and the floating tablet holder right away
Hi Kenny
I cleaned my DE filter when can I add shock thanks
You can add shock anytime you want.
Hello I've been a follower for roughly 9 months now on your CZcams page. I live in gilbert Arizona and for some strange reason my pool quickly turns green, I've cleaned the filter and still not sure what i am doing wrong. please tell me you are for hire or for a quick face to face training. I have been trying to learn but still seem to fail now my wife is down my neck cause my little girls are not able to see when in the pool.
I appreciate your comment and question. Typically the reason a pool turns green providing do you have a clean filter and your chlorine levels are in the ideal range and your filter is running long enough is phosphates. Have you seen my video on algae and algicide and why you don’t need them. I’m happy to come out and do a one time consultation for a fee And I don’t really post it publicly on my CZcams channel so . If you can email me your home number I will reach out to you.
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Thank you for explaining Kenny…How much is the chemicals start up procedure here in Glendale Az?
Thank you
I couldn't go that far, Glendale is an hour away from me. BUT the cost depends on what your water needs chemically. Typically when I do a start up for a new pool or new water I typically charge $150 - $250 which includes the chemicals, and two visits.
@@PoolSchooler thank you Kenny
@@jorgefigheroa77 You're welcome
Summer on the way here so starting the pool up a bit green to say the least. When adding chlorine granules should the filter be set to circulate with no filtering? Adding into the skimmer.
I typically keep it on "filter". ALSO have you seen my video on clearing a green pool? Here's a link: czcams.com/video/XY-BAdBY0zI/video.html
@@PoolSchooler Problem im getting i when the pump starts and stops is a what looks like white powder get blasted into the pool even if it was running clear before.
@@bountyhunter1890 i’m going to assume you have a DE filter. If that’s the case, what is happening is you have one or more torn grids and your DE powder is blowing back into the pool you’re gonna need to get those grids completely replaced so that more DE doesn’t keep dumping into your pool.
@@bountyhunter1890 and when you replace the grids, make sure you don’t just have them replace the torn ones replace the entire set or you’ll be going back in often to replace each one as they tear.
@@PoolSchooler Using those cotton bud style medium from intex.
Hey kenny im new to the owning a pool so jw how much gallons of liquid chlorine i need to start a 24 foot round above ground pool thanks for your time
It really depends on what your initial levels are BEFORE ADDING ANY CHLORINE. Most city or county water has chlorine added to it. So it would depend. Test the water FIRST and see what the chlorine levels are then adjust accordingly.
What if I don't have liquid chlorine? Can you mix granular
in a bucket?
You can but the granular chlorine typically has CYA in it (stabilizer) and that will increase your CYA so if you do use granular just sprinkle it directly into the pool BUT HOLD OFF ON ADDING ANY CYA/STABILIZER until you get the chlorine level up then check, the CYA level and raise it incrementally so you don't end up with too much CYA.
Hi Kenny, great channel and new subscriber. I live in Las Vegas, so we share the same hot weather. I keep my floater in my 40 yro, 10k gallon pool filled with tabs, not realizing I had created a high CYA problem of 164ppm. So now, I’m fighting yellow and green algae and Yellow Out hasn’t helped.
Leslie’s says I should fully drain, chlorine bath/scrub, and refill. Ok fine….
Q’s: Outside temp is mid-90’s, is this too hot to attempt to empty pool? Thanks, Tony
Hey Tony, thanks for subscribing. also, please check out my website poolschooler.com for exclusive DIY pool maintenance tools and more direct and priority communication with me for your pool maintenance needs.
You yellow algae issue is most likely a phosphate issue. I did a video on that subject that is probably one of the most important videos I've ever done. I'd really recommend watching it. It'll probably help you rid your pool that "mustard algae". Here's a link: czcams.com/video/MzGoK4Cd7tc/video.html
@@PoolSchooler Kenny, thanks for fast reply. Yes, you’re spot-on about high phosphates and algaecide having no effect. I went after it with Yellow Out twice and expensive bags of shock over 72hrs and acid-bathed cartridges too, but algae came right back.
The water test from Leslie’s says phosphates at 406! So, I’m actually feeding that algae, wonderful. Now the toss-up question. With high phosphates AND a high CYA of 164ppm, what’s your opinion of the better cost effective way to fix. Use the Pr-10k or drain/refill after warm weather cools down?
I’m leaning towards draining it as calcium is 900ppm, I don’t see that coming down at all, and TDS at 2000. Tony
@@tonyadams7444 honestly Tony 164 ppm for cya is not excessively high. I have literally service pools that have levels between 200 and 300 ppm and they still do fine. If you live in an area where water is scarce I would suggest holding off on draining and refilling your pool. In Arizona for instance we have such high calcium levels in our regular water that can’t get those levels down at all.
My suggestion would be use the PR 10,000 and get those phosphates under control.
@@PoolSchooler Ok, I’ll try the PR10k. Lastly, I was told that an RV charcoal filter, connected to my garden hose will vastly reduce calcium from Las Vegas water upon pool refill. Any thoughts or experience with this? Seems plausible but may also take forever to refill pool.
@@tonyadams7444 I looked up that idea and found this: activated carbon filters do not reduce Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) such as chlorides, sodium, calcium and sulfates. Carbon filters are extremely effective at reducing chlorine, improving taste and reducing odor.
So it looks like a charcoal filter won't remove the calcium in water.
what tablets do you recommend live in southern utah plus are there any without cyanuric acid
Honestly, I do not know a brand that I could recommend. I get mine from my wholesale supplier and it varies depending on what they get in bulk. But if you get them at Costco or Sam’s Club or Home Depot or Lowe’s you should be fine as far as do they have any without CYA in them? They do exist, but they’re not common and they’re very very expensive so I would say no I’ve never ever purchased them nor use them. They’re just not cost-effective.
Hi, I am interested in becoming a member on your website for consultation. I am just starting out on my own in the pool business. Is the consultation for 1 pool, or can it be used for pool care companies that want answers from time to time? Thanks.
Poolschooler.com has check lists (weekly, monthly and seasonally), and cheat sheets for several types of systems (DE, Sand or Cartridge) and chlorine or salt based. Members get full access to those checklists AND other lists like start up chemical lists AND links to products I use in my business.
And yes it can be used for pool service companies who want help/answers from time to time. BUT it typically doesn't include a "consultation", but I am in the process of creating an actual program that will teach people wanting to start their own pool service business which will include specific lessons/courses for people like you who are wanting to start a business. But for now the membership website would be very helpful for you.
Can you tell me what & how much chemicals I need to add to our Summer waves easy set up pool it's a 10× 30 please let me know Thanks I subscribed
You need to test your water first before you add any chemicals. Then you’ll know what your pH, alkalinity, and chlorine levels are. If you check out my video on testing your pool water that will help you and that should be the first thing you do before you start dumping any chemicals in your pool. And then watch my video on pool chemicals you only need 7. If you can’t find them let me know and I will send you links to them. Then once you know the chemicals you need and you know what your pool chemistry is to begin with you can start adding chemicals so I really can’t answer your question for you until you know what your current chemical levels are
Question- for a new plastered pool is it better to use liquid or sand stabilizer?
Hmmm. I think you mead granular stabilizer liquid is always best cause it mixes in best. If you use the granular put it in the skimmer basket and run the pump to dissolve and distribute it so it doesn’t settle in the plaster and damage it.
Thanks for taking the complexity out of a start up. Pool companies want to get you for $80 just to get things kicked off
Glad to be of assistance. Hope you will subscribe to my channel and share it with others.
So after this procedure? Whats next? Just keep checking the water chemistry up to par?
Exactly. And weekly maintenance. Check out these two videos for specifics: Weekly Pool Maintenance: czcams.com/video/IEkFSunjRvs/video.html
How to Test Your Pool Water and What to Test For: czcams.com/video/v2ONe9Z8iKo/video.html
Also check out my membership website poolschooler.com for more money saving tips, checklist and product links.
@@PoolSchooler Thank you, from Maricopa
Calcium is really important too. If the water is low in calcium it will naturally balance by pulling calcium out of the plaster. Ruining the plaster.
You are correct that calcium is important for pool chemistry. But in Arizona we have such hard water due to the very large amounts of calcium in the water we just never need to add it. Thanks for the clarification and I'm sorry I didn't put that info in this video.
@@PoolSchooler no prob. I live in California. The water used to be hard here. But now every time we drain a pool we have to add some calcium.
Quick question was Two pounds of conditioner enough for that side pool?🤔
It really depends on the pool. There are online calculators to help determine how much for the size (gallonage) of your pool but sometimes they cause you to overdose your pool which I don't like to do. So for the DIY person starting with a pound or two, then running the pump for a couple of hours and retesting and adding again 1 lb and repeating the process allows for more accuracy and less change of over dosing the pool.
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Can I add shock after DEPowder
Of course. Note, you add your DE powder to the skimmer basket to recharge the DE grids. The shock your chlorine levels up.
What brand of liquid chlorine are you using
I get my chlorine from a wholesale supplier in my area that only serves Pool Service professionals. So whatever main brand they sell is what I get I don’t know the brand. But you can usually feel pretty good about a liquid pool chlorine that you get out perhaps a Home Depot a Lowe’s, Costco, Walmart, or a reputable pool supply store. If you also look online, just look up liquid pool chlorine and you should be fine.
How long did you wait until you added the chlorine?
You can do it immediately. Some say you should Get the ph and alkalinity adjusted first but I've had no problem doing it the way I say in the video.
@@PoolSchooler Appreciate the advice! I kept seeing mixed reviews about that and couldn't get a straight answer from anyone.
I wish i had that much circulation
Could be your pump impeller is clogged.
No shock in the beginning?
No. Use liquid chlorine. I think I said that in the video (I hope).👍😉
How much should I get charges from the pool company?
See my answer to your other question.
Hello, do you offer a paid service where we could call via video chat and u help me do this for the 1st time? I really need help because I'm afraid to do something wrong
Check out my membership website poolschooler.com. I could do a one time video chat through that.
How many gallons was that pool?
Oh my goodness, I’d say it was over 25,000 gallons
Thanks. I'm filling a 10k gallon one today so I was going to use half of what you used.
@@UNLVED1 test your water first pay particular attention to the CYA level. You just wanna make sure you don’t overdose that. 30 to 40 ppm of CYA. Is where you wanted to be for the ideal setting. No more.
How many days do I need to wait to test the CYA level? I added 64 oz 5 days ago to a 10k gallon pool and it shows very low level. Thx
@@UNLVED1 typically once you add the CYA to a pool, you only need to wait a couple of hours with the pump running to test it and see where your levels are. You certainly don’t have to wait several days. Only a few hours.
Very confusing for a new pool user!
Sorry to hear that. I try to make the videos as simple, but thorough as possible.
Dude just go all out and give your face a good itch in between takes next time! 😂
😂😂 yeah, I realize that after I shot it while I was editing it, I’ll try to be more aware of it for future videos
@PoolSchooler I was just joking around buddy. When you work in the heat you're gonna have some itching to do! Keep the great content coming!
@@elfnino4878 I appreciate that. Yes it's really hot right now for sure. I appreciate the humor. Gotta keep things light so I don't melt 😉👍 Thanks.
2 pounds of the acid seems like a lot? Must be bigger than a 10k gallon pool, 3oz of acid raises cya by 10 ppm and levels should be between 30-50, it’s easier to raise the levels than to lower
I agree with you when you say it’s easier to raise the levels lower. The only way to lower the levels is through dilution, which is why in the video I very strongly stress to not overdose the pool CYA in the beginning. Do it slowly. In the case of the pool that I was demonstrating on 2 pounds brought it up to about 20 parts so I ended up having to add a little bit more later
You are correct when you say it’s easier to raise the CYA levels, then to lower them. The only way to lower them is through dilution. Typically changing the water. But in this particular example for the video 2 pounds of CYA, I added, barely raised the level to 20 ppm. I ended up having to go back and add another pound, which brought it up to 30 ppm. The key is to not add too much too quickly. I’ve heard of pool supply stores that have recommended 4/5 pounds of CYA in a typical 10,000 gallon play pool which is way too much to begin with.