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Guest bio: Elon Musk is CEO of X, xAI, SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink, and The Boring Company.
The big thing we are missing is called Metaphysics. It was forbidden after the Middle Ages. Soul is Intellect and Will, Freedom exists to either conform to Eternity of Being, God, or to deny it, glitching itself forever. AI is just a huge automatic calculator. I hope that helps. Vivat Cristus Rex
After the 3rd minute you came near to realise God. He has no beginning and no end, he is ever existing. I wish Lex will find Islam
@@sardork Islam is a false religion. The Quran says that the Bible is the word of God. But yet the Bible says the Word of God is the only revelation of God. If the Quran is true then the Quran is false. Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I know you people are not very smart but matter cannot create consciousness the same way nothing cannot create the universe, no go to bed little kids
Why don’t someone ask him why he had on all the baphomet armour?
I find it so odd that so many people so fervently hate this man. I'm sure some of it is within the realm of reason. But it seems like nearly all of it is just because someone else told them to hate him.
@@threatened2024 I agre, though some can argue that his reasoning is not true and that he lied for media purposes... but who wants to live like that? Always believing that someone on the other side of your belief chain... is always lying always deceptive.
He doesn't care. He's smart enough to not care. Most people are sheep, humans are herd animals. It's harsh but it's true...
Not necessarily. It's entirely plausible for someone to "hate" him based on some of his political stances and actions in the past as a businessman. You may not find these things to be objectionable but that doesn't make it out of the realm of possibility for someone else to
@@AB-et6nj I didn't say it's implausible for some to hate him for valid reasons. I said that rate at which people hate him doesn't appear to align with what is reasonable or valid.
Why do people feel the urge to emotionally attach to another person who does not even know if they exist?
Einstein said, “energy doesn’t die out, it transforms”. We are energy, it doesn’t end at our death.
yeah into dirt and worms
@@user-hf1be9vo8uExcept that if you believe we are nothing but a pattern of matter, we may very likely arise again in a different universe, like 10^10^10^10 years later. In other words, the moment after you die, next thing you know you're waking up in another universe. Hardcore materialists ironically elevate the self by denying it's non uniqueness.
😂😂😂 stop using drugs pal 🤣
I like that Einsteins quote but I think we really don't know what happens after death, if there's something more then it's another dimension different than the one we are living in right now, we are not aware about it and will never be aware of it while we are alive, science probably will never find out and discover it because we lack the technology and the means to discover any evidence of something like that
I had this same thought. It can be used as an argument for reincarnation
I have deep respect for this man. I don’t care what anyone says. ✌🏻
he wants to put a chip in your brain.
The best way to understand consciousness is to be present.
That doesn’t explain anything though
@@Galantry3828 Of course it does. You start to understand that everything has consciousness and everything is connected to everything else. It's just our human ignorance that makes us think that we're special. But deep in yourself you start to discover that we're not much different from trees and everything else. It's just that we humans lack scarcity for the first time in the history of life as we know it and thus we feel lost and lack meaning and think of ourselves as separate, individual creatures. Think about it: An organism that is constantly thirsty / starving whatever, it'll not waste an ounce of energy more than needed to "think about itself". It'll try to get water and food to survive. The idea of a self is really just to self preserve in the situation of life threat. It's just a pity that we humans express this kind of pattern almost 95% of our life times which is why we have so much misery in the world. The interesting question I think is though why I'm born into this human flesh soup in the first place and what additionally what happens after "death". But ultimately I think everything is much, much more connected and it's our conditioning and ignorance that makes us believe in the first place we're special. I think as long as we hold on to that idea, we won't have a very long time on this earth. Just look around what's happening.
No it’s neuroscience
yes be present at least 10000 years ago
@@Galantry3828 The more one understands consciousness the less one feels the need to use words to explain it.
Consciousness is fundamental. Elon is on to something, the conscious experience is more than atoms being arranged in a particular pattern. We are definitely missing something huge at the moment because even neuroscience can not describe how a subjective conscious experience works. That being said, we all know and feel that consciousness exists outside of the physical world.
Yes, consciousness is basically everything. The same way that the life energy flowing through us is the same energy flowing throughout the entire infinite universe.
The phenomenon of emergence is the only explanation for human consciousness. Many things about life are emergent in nature. You can see the different things being combined to form the system or entity but you can't see what happened between the combination and the final outcome. Logic say 1+1 = 2 but complex systems are not logical. For complex systems especially biological systems 1-1 =>3 where did the 1+ come from resulting in a completely new system? I dont think science can ever explain this. It takes an intellectual leap of some sort to accept this as reality of nature without your necessarily having to understand it.
@LexClips should invite @Sadhguru for this question. This one blew my mind:
Are human intutions truly biochemical algorithms or are they something more profund?
czcams.com/video/doFI8TezOFE/video.htmlsi=mhEDbAvsa0JTP5UK
I just commented:
"About consciousness, Elon Musk said it twice:
"I suspect, there is more to it than atoms bump into atoms."
Nope, nothing more is needed: bumpily observing each other IS impacting each other - reciprocally, mutuality!
And that is what con-sciousness literally means:
1. con=each other, together
and
2. scio=knowing.
It is something even more fundamental, even more than, say, "c a r n a l knowledge" ¹, nuclear ² knowledge, the most fundamental, primal coitus... coitus a prori!
¹ and who knows, cosmically more enjoyably fun.
² Nuclear particle knowledge... Consider this: Does"particle" mean "being APART FROM", or rather, does it mean "BEING A PART OF"?!
I go for the latter...
@@WimBorsboomSir I would say consciousness is beyond intellectual actions. It includes everything and nothing. Body and Mind are entities which form over time, while consciousness is not a product of time. So we are not even "a part of consciousness", beyond my body and mind - I am consciousness.
alright fuck it i’ll watch the whole thing
This is the type of discussion that isn't had enough
Nice weather we're having, ain't it? lol
@@thegrandpencil4374 😄
@@meditativewanderer251 No such thing as "unholy" people, only expressions of it. There is no seperation between "holy" and us. All is love :)
@@meditativewanderer251 No, 2 girls 1 cup did.
I Love listening to extremely intelligent people talking about what this whole thing is. I ponder this question far too much, however my brain can only take it so far and then I hear Elon and Lex talk, than boom I have another epiphany that builds on top of where I was stuck, just fascinating.
don't listen to man. study for yourself to show yourself approved. Use esword. Definitions tell the truth.
Being curious about something beyond our understanding makes for a healthy serving of humble pie. Staying curious yet humble seems to be the most sound and efficient way to move along the path of our seemingly happenstance existence.
Elon Musk! A national treasure that not everyone is willing to admit due to their lack of understanding of who he truly is.
except those who h@te him because he won't fall in line with a certain ideology
I think Elon has grown in consciousness, when I watched old interviews (even the ones with Lex, he stated that he was against all things being conscious if I remember correctly, and that behavior is all that mattered, like if a robot acts like a human then it's the same than the robot having human consciousness) I had the feel that he was more like a materialist scientist type and wished that he could open himself more to the "mistery" maybe by trying entheogens (Lex did mushrooms and it shows in how he expresses his vision of life and his calm personality), but now I perceive Elon way more open and conscious, also he's laughing more and taking things way less seriously, which is a good sign.
He has become conservative. Liberals destroy what they hate, and conservatives protectt what they love..
".....has grown up....". In my opinion it isn't like this. In my opinion Elon only says about "IT" nowdays. He has known and he has felt "THIS-MORE THAN ATOMS" since EVER and that's way Elon has been serching answers for many questions since his childhood.
Intelligent minds do that. They expand. If they're allowed to live a long time, that expansion can become quite wide and impressive.
100%, I feel exactly the same way about him :)
Maybe he met some impressive female intellectual
He got it - either everything is conscious or nothing is conscious. Yes, everything! Consciousness exists in all forms and without forms.
I think all that is god
Universe is entangled system of all particles but once quantum systems become larger and larger, complex, there is illusion of seperation.
Conciousness is formless, constant change, encrypted form of quantum system that communicates with other quantum systems, so there is some kind of quantum cryptography, so If you go this way,
You could conclude similar pattern to blockchain. Body and Mind seems like vessel for conciousness.
The Observer and Interpreter of information transmission that communicates on metaphysical level.
Every Observer is sender and receiver, aka. Quantum Entaglement.
Thoughts are produced by quantum system, so thoughts are quantum systems, conciousness is self-producing quantum systems which we call concious experience, an event, it's like a frame in the movie which every conciousness are creating.
Conciousness is producing conciousness kind of like quantum computer can create quantum systems.
Why wouldn't there be biological' quantum computer. Computer is just tool for fast computation and computer can't do many things as human do even though it was designed based on brain, nervous system, even deep learning can't, so there is something missing, link between what human can do and electricity of the brain.
There is messurement which we call observation, then there is calculation, error-feedback loop and action.
Let's simplify what we know to "Everything is information", so How lack of information, nothingness transformed into single particle, single bit of information?
Btw. In this scenerio Everything is possible, even something like Universe taking physical body in another dimension and everything is this being creation, higher inteligence creating lower level of inteligence which culture named it alliens or God.
How buddism came up with idea of ascending to higher dimensions.
Illusion of seperation between Conciousness and the Higher dimensions of conciousness - which people call Matrix?
It seems like there is one dimension of conciousness, fundamental level.
We can go on and on, conciousness, spirituality, the universe, quantum physics are fascinating. If you could add evolutionary biology, deep learning, game theory, It would end up fascinating conversation.
@@KMoscRD i think its fair to fair existance is everything
@ppack2497 higher dimensions dudes are probably wondering "hey dude, what are those particles we found today" and those particles are us :D.
if one system emarged it's gonna become infinitely larger creating more complex systems as iterations goes on and on.
Every system no matter of complexity has feature of homeostasis, messurement and messurements take diverse forms. Every system design can produce population of that system. Larger and complex it gets it's better. Births and deaths of systems are happening all the time and all that released energy is causing new annomalities,
Whenever this creation evolves, all matter evolves too, because less complex systems must addapt either reproduce, become immortal or die. Systems reproduce and live in order to collect informations.
Interpretation and action are also messurements of many systems working together causing this or that effect.
Infinite dimension error-feedback loop of self evolving information.
"Thus a strict materialism refutes itself for the reason given long ago by Professor Haldane: 'If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true... and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms.'" -C.S. Lewis, Miracles
Thanks for your love care and support, it's my pleasure talking to you here. Where are you from?..........
Brilliant argument ! I have no idea why outdated, obsolete arguments are being repeated all over again here. We need people without materialistic, deterministic biases to talk on this podcast. It is quite biased.
The soul is located in the area of the solar plexus it can suffer tremors and play.
I've been trying to work on something small like this for years but never had the time to fully execute. Looks fantastic. Great work.
At what minutes is this part taken from in the full podcast?
I could listen to this man all day long. His intelligence is so mesmerizing.
Elon must be happy to finally talk to someone smart after a while.
If you think humans wasting resources on colonizing other impossible to inhabit planets is smart then yes what a joke this man will never do shit for humanity so what is your definition of smart.
Dude Elon doesn’t feel that way with lex 😂 he feels like he’s talking to the brain dead kid in class who got the teachers answer sheet
If everything is just energy and matter following the laws of physics, then none of us have ever made a decision. Personally, I reject that "illusion of choice" and agree with Elon. We *must* be more than that.
I Am the witness to my thoughts, I Am not my thoughts, what I Am is the Awareness that is aware of my thoughts.
@@shaneashby5890 That makes my brain hurt, but I agree with you. :)
@@avastone5539 Agreed. I think what's "really" going on is beyond us, but also, what we do and think still "really" matters.
It’s not that we must be more than that, you just want there to be more than that
@@avastone5539 its called acceptance.. acceptance is the weakness of the soul.. acceptance that everything is ok and everything is all good and theirs no need to ever worry regret hate fear or be angered or stressed but humans get high on drugs in order to reach that level because they dont have what it takes most the time to reach that naturally.. like some humans do.. acceptance that this is just one of many infinite experiences.. you only got like 100 years to experience this and then its onto the next experience.. infinite experiences forever and ever.. beyond the material world understanding.. 99 percent of humans call this blasphemy and refuse to accept this fact so therefore the dog chases its tail
perhaps it is not about the atoms bumping into atoms but the fields of energy that are changed as a result. Looking at the pixel and not including the wave trying to make sense of things only considering half of the equation.
If it is a simulation or game wouldn’t it make sense that the soul and spirit are the elements of self that are experiencing the simulation? The game is for conscious self to rise to the highest level of good in a world that is broken and corrupt
It is interesting that a LOT of near death experiences mention this realm or plane of existence is merely a "stage", and it is seen kind of as a "game" when on the other "side" , whether you believe in an afterlife or not, the consistency of these reports (like the DMT ones) make it intriguing
We probably look so comical from the other plane(s) of existence, where time doesn't exist. We're seen on this semi-linear timeline, tenuously grasping at what this is all about, discovering the truth, forgetting the truth, rediscovering the truth, etc. Striving for moral excellence, if we are following the truth.
this is the problem with naive empiricism. taking your atheistic materialistic worldview to its logical conclusion would mean the mind would be reduced to the physical brain and all thoughts in the brain would be determined by the laws of physics and chemistry, thus eliminating freedom of thought. But freedom of thought and the ability to freely weigh evidence are requirements for reaching justified knowledge claims. simulation theory would be the same, the self would be illusory and everything would be determined by computer code. both present a self defeating worldview. there is no solution to this besides the Trinity creating us with freedom of thought and there are very good reasons why God must be a trinity but too much to go over in a CZcams comment.
Define 'Good'..
@@maxwellgallacher4190”A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
As much as I love science, I seek comfort in the rule of Newton for the hope of a soul: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another
Yes indeed!
"The rocks would cry out". Everything is conscious but not always assessable to us at our level.
I always respect Elon on here🚀🌟
Highly recommend " Stalking the Wild Pendulum: On the Mechanics of Consciousness"...
When I think about consciousness, I don't see any future in which we get a single bit closer to the truth. There are limitations in attempting to understand how flesh does what it does.
The limitations are intentional and fundamental. The meaning of life largely comes from the question "why". The answer is the journey.
Disagree, we are quantum systems of information processing and consciousness is a mixture of electricity and code stored and managed in an organic substrate.I believe Its possible though that our entire level of reality is illusory. This is Samsara, its merely one of many tiers of reality. we are cosmic babies. In this reality consciousness can be turned off by anaesthetics that interfere with organic microtubials.
You made me think. Maybe consciousness is when 2 independent lobes of brain compromise to achieve a task based on The cognitive tasks each lobe controls and how genetically evolved the species are. This way we can assign a percentage to measure consciousness from one species to the next and so on. Imagine an interface of a Mac and a Pc with similar programming to be each other’s redundant function, single tasking in harmony while trying to harmonize their Interacting with others like themselves, see themselves as being conscious of each other, evolving.
@@rezadaneshi What is Consciousness?
The limitations of understanding anything beyond the material dimension, is to accept a metaphysical dimension that is attached to our realm. The only thing on this planet that claims to have an explanation of that realm is religion. Maybe it’s right here in front of us, which is why it feels so big and obvious but we’re not understanding it. Not every religion is true but the preserved text might just have an answer. And there’s only one preserved text and that’s the Quran.
And humor don't forget!! Why is it so damn very deep?? Humor is a gift, it peels off entitlement and the obvious reward is genuine short-term heavenly happiness (:
I would love to see an episode with Bernardo Kastrup as a guest, entirely devoted to this topic. Especially he and Lex are both AI specialists. His work feels like missing link between spiritual and scientific approach to consciousness.
Yeah, he, Jonathan Pageau and John Vervaeke.
Yes! Bernardo a legend
Chris Langan would be a great guest!
Kastrup would say that the atoms are produced by consciousness, not the other way around. In other words, consciousness is fundamental, not atoms (or elementary particles). It's difficult to argue against this point of view when you consider that every direct perception and abstract model of atoms exists soley within our minds. We have no evidence that atoms, or anything else, exist apart from our minds.
Yes, Elon Musk, there is something important missing in your argument and that of other thinkers on the subject.
This is missing since the time of Aristotle. It is not new.
Your AI will not be able to discover that knowledge, what "that some thing" is because it is beyond humanity. It is also amazingly interesting.
One can Neither incorporate that "some thing" into an AI contraption.
I have held that knowledge for the past 25 years. I would like to share it with humanity in an esoteric paper and discussion, primarily to safe guard the misuse of that information..... yes bizare as it may sound. If you wish to involve yourself in that discussion, it will be, probably a well- balanced group that would be responsible to safeguard humanities interest on this earth and universe..... and not destroy it.
Aaron
To my perception consciousness is expanding, and it ebbs and flows in all things...perhaps it devours dark matter, or perhaps it eats its own tail in the end. I love that we are trying to figure out if AI is conscious while not quite knowing if/when/to what degree we are conscious, or really what it is we are talking about.
Great discussion ❤❤❤
Doesn’t matter how smart we think we have gotten. We’re literally having the same conversations humans have had since the beginning of time. We’re not getting any closer to the truth even if it seems like we are. We’re just making things more complicated. Honestly we probably had a greater amount of useful knowledge in the 1800s than we do now. At least ppl back then could grow their own food lol
We are getting closer to the truth again, each individual at their own pace.
@@seffardnope the original poster is correct. We're further from the truth now than ever because we support lies and dumb down society 😅
Thank you, agreed, there is more and more idiocracy out there more than ever.
Apparently, we are a part of an infinite source of ever-expanding energy. Like God or something.
@@seffardno we're not, lol. They're correct, people were having the same conversations, just without the knowledge of quarks, etc, hundreds of years ago.
Is that a Dimebag mini guitar I see in The background?
This might be one of the best videos i watched
Thought & feeling are for sure communicating with our universe ❤
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@@elonmuskceo-tesla Byron center Michigan
@@elonmuskceo-tesla the pleasure is mine 🙏🏻
@@leonardonicastro7302 How long have you been following me here?
Elon is not only the greatest ever Genius but also a great philosopher. ,"What is thought, what is emotion?" These are deep questions that he has the courage to ask. He is awesome.
Dude, those questions obsess stoner philosophy undergrads the world over.
Greatest ever genius! lol amazing. Spoken like a true Elonbot.
what’s the timestamp for the podcast of this clip! please 🙏
These kind of thoughts and talks we are missing right now. No religious delusion but real big questions being talked exactly like they are talking. With respect and open mind.
GOD PLEASE DELIVER ELON FROM THIS EVIL ATTACK AND HELP HIM HELP THE PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!
I think we should be looking at the water to explore if consciousness becomes animated under its influence, through energy from the sun, frequencies and vibrations in some way. It's not just us that have consciousness, look at nature for endless examples of species that need water to survive, and display what appears to be intelligent behaviour.
The statement of prof. Emoto keeps following me ever since he concluded "water has the answer".
@@Tubemanjac For me it's so obvious. When we look at cymatics, and then look at images preserved in stone at places like Roslyn Chapel, that compare to patterns made when water is exposed to sound, it feels like one of the keys to the sacred, which is the miracle of life, that appears such a mystery. The ancients from Egypt in the 'rules of Maat' remind us to 'keep the waters pure'. The Native Americans remind us 'Wini Miconi', water is life. I love to learn more about 'structured water' and how pure water from natural sources has healing properties. My dog refuses to drink tap water but will happily drink from puddles, apart from all the chemicals added, maybe he knows its what's best for him!
Awesome Insight
we are one with the Universe , and we are here to experience things . no one is different from each other ,we are all just light.
And sound vibration
My thoughts on a few things:
❕Intelligence, I would define as the ability to learn, understand, teach and apply knowledge. This can be measured in various already established, documented ways. And we can apply this to ourselves, other species and any future AI. Currently, it is a safe assumption that some AI out there are relatively intelligent, but considering the 'training' and 'programming' required, my credit will still go to the humans behind the project and not the AI itself.
❕Consciousness, I would define this as a sense of awareness of yourself and your surroundings and your place in something larger. This is difficult to measure I think at the moment at least. Tests can be performed (Schneider 2019, Turing 1950), but application of this is very difficult I think to AI at the moment. I personally do not think AI will have consciousness anytime soon.
❕Soul, I would define this as an abstract essence of being, outside your physical self. To measure this in AI or machines at the moment is probably not possible. I haven't done enough research on this, but this would be the absolute most difficult task. How do you even approach this?
❕Thought, I would define as a mental process of modeling and dealing with the world around them. We can measure this with rabbits, rats, humans, and AI as well. Cause and effect of actions, the entities response pre and post result, etc.
Basically, we can measure a lot of things, but consciousness and soul are two things at the moment I would say are a fail for AI. Will that change in the future? My guess is no. I think we will all be having this same debate in 100 years, the same way the debate on time travel has been going on and on forever. Everyone likes to forget the solidity of the logic in the Grandfather paradox. Scientific principles lead people to create some crazy theories, but how time works in a universal sense is not implying that you can travel across it. That is and will always be impossible IMO.
Why would I read all this?
@@vikroy3777 Generally speaking, the people who watch these kind of videos are actually interested in some sort of debate or deeper thinking, and commentary. If you didn’t want to read it then thats your choice. By your own logic writing a comment was also a waste of your precious time no? The value your comment brought to the table is zero.
@@batteriesincluded7188 since when did I need to be up my own rear end like you and also be stupid enough to think CZcams comments are a place for anything especially when I am watching a guy who sent a car to uranus
We have three phases in our life, first is 9 months in the womb where we breath water, this prepares us for our life on earth 3 score and ten where we breath air, this is preparation not only for our body but also our spirit/soul where we discard our body like taking off our clothes when die to move on to the spiritual world as a spirit. We are to live in the spiritual world forever where we are to breath the love of God this is the ideal but it is not the case because of the bad position man is in. We have two brains a physical brain and we have a spiritual brain, the physical brain controls the movement of our bodies and the spiritual brain is what we use to think with etc and that is also connected to our spiritual body. Basically our spirit body/soul is a reflection of our physical body, theres a lot more to go on about this but I will leave it at that because people will think it is too far fetched to believe .
Far fetched on your first sentence. What evidence do you have of a soul?
@@causeneffect8563 There are plenty of testimonies throughout history of people experiencing the spiritual world I mean take your pick, Bible Old and New testaments, the Quran, theres a great read Emanuel Swedenborg Heaven and Hell came out a couple of hundred years ago. My old man had a heart attack in the Ambulance he found himself floating above his body and watching the medics working on him. My old man driving a train underground at his coal mine, saw a couple of miners walking along the rail by the time he got to that point they weren't there a couple of miners died there earlier, he came home white as a ghost. I have had my own experience with the afterlife. I mean there is plenty of evidence out there the UAP's that the military is seeing they are entities from the spiritual world. We believe in love right but you can't see it can you so how do you know that is love, I could say prove it wheres the evidence. There is plenty of testimonies of the spiritual world but whether they are true or not that is up to you, I can't force that belief I just gave an answer that to me is true. You know a caterpillar spends it life munching on leaves to its heart content in the world not realizing that one day it will be a beautiful butterfly and the ability to go wherever it wants. We are no different, the fetus in the womb is living a life of luxury for 9 months does't have to do a darn thing its all taking care of, no need to cook, plenty of warmth and just a lovely place to be. At birth out of nowhere its life is turned upside down, cold, noisy and now hungry. The same thing happens when we die many people cannot believe they have died, they cannot grasp the fact they are in the spiritual world, they cannot grasp they are in a place they created themselves by how they have lived on earth. So dying for a lot of folk is a dreadful thought, for me no because I know there is an afterlife, the same way I am in love with my wife I can't see it but what I am feeling I believe is love.
anyone who has experienced near death experience has felt that soul @@causeneffect8563
@@causeneffect8563 I dont believe we have the technology to detect a soul just yet mainly because our science doesnt focus on spiritual aspects of the universe. But a strong indication is the near-death experiences testimonies. All those people around the world cant be conspiring to say essentially the same thing about it and mean it. Many youtube channels are dedicated to show them, some of the most interesting videos I can point out for you if you wish.
We do not breath in the womb. Babies get oxygen from the mother through the placenta. How can a fetus breath water for 9 months? If we breathed water in the womb it wouldn't be for 9 months.
Thought is always born out of Desire!
Agree is more fun with consciousness the awareness of your unique thoughts,memories, feelings,sensations,environments good or bad, but alive. Elon Musk and You make the most intense conversations . Love it. Great job Lex .
I didn't believe that anything actually had a soul for the longest time. I just thought we were like computers running the simulation. Then I took five hits of "clear liquid magic" and proceeded to get up and walk out of my own body. Still can't explain it fully, but I did recognize the detachment of my soul and body.
mans out here seeing fractals
Same for me with salvia and mushrooms. I cant even explain the things i saw or the presence i felt.
You had an out of body experience.
@@lisapiccirilli4908 Yeah I know lol. It scared the crap out of me and as soon as I saw myself on the ground and my friend trying to slap me awake I just snapped back into my body. Fun times.
That's funny, LSD gave me a similar experience that I drew the opposite conclusion from. When I started to feel detached from my ego, separated from myself, able to look at my thoughts and feelings as if from outside, it seemed like the ideas of "soul" and "consciousness" are just shallow coping mechanisms my body (and my brain is part of my body) uses to process and understand the impulses and experiences I'm constantly assaulted with. I've never been more sure that consciousness and thought are nothing more than atoms bumping into each other.
But I also think it's extremely narcissistic for humans to think our brains are capable of understanding reality at all. The analogy I use is a colony of ants building an anthill in the middle of a construction site full of signs explaining that it's about to be turned into a Walmart. There is literally nothing I could do to make those ants understand why it's self-destructive to build the anthill there, because they are not beings capable of comprehending the reality of the situation as well as I can. But ants and I are both just creatures created by the process of evolution, which gave us the intelligence and skills necessary to survive and perpetuate our species. Just because I'm orders of magnitude smarter than the ants, why should that make me believe it would be any more possible to explain to me what's really going on with the universe than it would to explain to the ants how that big yellow digger is going to destroy their hill tomorrow morning?
We always start from the mind, and with it, we create ideas about the material world. Those ideas are never more than thoughts, so the notion that we can somehow understand what consciousness is through mater, is quite absurd. Still, people ask the question, "how atoms bumping into each other can create the mind?", not realizing that it is the mind which created both the atoms, motion, and itself.
We are players on a grandeur stage than anyone probably realizes. To do what is right in the sight of a higher intelligence is favorable. Anybody should be able to see that but to be given the choice is of a higher purpose.
The three realities of the human experience, the spirit (conscience) , the soul (memory light which re-incarnates) , and the ego (the person ) who must in one life or more , understand life and all it’s principles.
“We are Spirits in the material world.”
Agreed. I think it is Cambel's quote.
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1:35 I've always wondered this. I feel like there's one big CPU running the simulation of the universe, and that all conscious experience is that CPU inhabiting every conscious being one at a time as it ticks forward time. So it's like we're all one consciousness experiencing everyone's life simultaneously in a "threaded" manner.
What is the nature of thought? And what is the nature of this self? Are great questions to investigate.
It’s about the reflexive act in all aspects
Imagine being an H2O molecule, and interacting with other H2O molecules in a glass of water... and then spending your entire life wondering what it would be like to be water, not realizing it IS what you are.
Its a paradox.
And the atoms to each other: "what do you wanna be today?"
Everything is consciousness but those who decided to separate themselves from it have obviously difficulties to figure that out. Cheers.
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@Mike80375or maybe thinking is not the same thing as consciousness
@@enterpassword3313 what is consciousness? are animals consciousness? how?
@Mike80375 where did i say that? Lol
@Mike80375Consciousness does not mean you think… It is purely awareness.
OK Lex. Ya got me. Liked and subbed. Elon is a world treasure and a resource.
I used to be a total nihilist, that we were just flames that would be snuffed out and gone forever.
Now I’m finding physics and spirituality both point towards something else. Maybe I’m just lying to myself as I’m getting older but if so I don’t want to abuse myself of this notion.
Perhaps try reading the Upanishads.
Jesus is Lord:)
this is the problem with naive empiricism. taking your atheistic materialistic worldview to its logical conclusion would mean the mind would be reduced to the physical brain and all thoughts in the brain would be determined by the laws of physics and chemistry, thus eliminating freedom of thought. But freedom of thought and the ability to freely weigh evidence are requirements for reaching justified knowledge claims. simulation theory would be the same, the self would be illusory and everything would be determined by computer code. both present a self defeating worldview. there is no solution to this besides the Trinity creating us with freedom of thought and there are very good reasons why God must be a trinity but too much to go over in a CZcams comment. Google Isaiah 53, messianic verse in the old testament that scholars agree was written before the incarnation, who does it describe? The old testament is filled with these prophecies that point to Jesus.
@@ElephantWhisperer222Yes
I don't think it is lying to yourself. It has been culture conditioning. We do not realise to what degree a culture & group think shapes us.
Besides, to believe in neodarwinism is a form of ignorance. I call it an example of highly educated idiotism. I think adherence to it unconsciously serves to be atheistic, for the fear of a total world view change & its consequences, including morally ordered life, in service not to self but yo others.
There's things outside of this dimension that interact with this dimension
but wouldn't those things also be some type of stuff with it's own structure that could be called "matter" in that dimension?
@alexmangorove The laws of physics wouldn't be the same in another dimension.
@@charliehernandez7350 What is it that knows this dimension?
@@charliehernandez7350 I imagine time is a variable that only we as physical beings are chained. It's intentionally limiting so we are able to learn what we are supposed to learn while we are here.
Like a cell in the body organism
Mind blowing to think about all this. It is crazy how 21st century has become the era of generalists. Elon is a businessman, a philosopher, an engineer, ...
Bet u believe in Jesus and thats you have a soul?
A further question here could be, what is matter? Does matter only exist in the local state by which we experience it and is underlying causality not inevitable and essential to it considering the incompleteness of mathematical truth applicable to our universe (or one operating by its same causal principles).
Thus matter could be, and likely is, a creative burst of something ongoing
... Particles could be thought of less as individual objects and more so states, or excitations, of fields that may even reach beyond the spectrum of causality we are accustomed to.
Which I would hardly put my bets is comprehensive of existence
just ideas , silly to rule them out
A much better interview between these two than with Musk and Rogan!
stop
Exactly. Lex understands Musk better than Joe.
Yes Lex s$cks off pretty well
Lex does a more interview style, Joe just has a conversation. It’s two different styles, both valuable.
So have you tried mushrooms?
And so we arrive at the point where science and spirituality meet
WOW! Someone said it. A whisper in the dark that marks the passage of time and a grandly understated moment in human evolution.
The day has indeed arrived! And what a glorious day it is!
Well said Sir
I like your tiny Dime Bolt in the background Lex.
I understand perfectly the purpose in people having a soul they can’t see, but they must fight not to lose it. Because my son is addicted to video games with undetectable experience in everyday real things, but with repetitious long dazzling conversations filled with video game’s made up terminology or redefining meaning of words with interpretations only another video game addict can decipher who knows that game.
It's imperative to control ones own impulses.
@@ataylor992 Or be aware of how our impulses control us to begin with. It’s a state of consciousness with its own specific name for the condition of not wanting to be aware of our own impulses, in the word denial.
@@rezadaneshi Very true. It's as if there is some subliminal decision or contract being made when one chooses impulse over self control. I believe its how a higher power tests the fortitude and ultimately quality of ones soul. We are defined by these choices we make at our core.
@@ataylor992it’s nothing like that, it’s just that humans are hard wired for comfort which does not always allign with development.
@@rezadaneshi maybe ur son goes pro
Lex quotating Elon at the end made me piss my pants 😂
With the finger air quotes too 😂.
I watch day and night...Im actually suprised that a voice, and it is a voice, can capture me totally
From an evolutionary perspective, it would be beneficiary for an organism to have a sense of self. In order to distinguish its self from its surrounding and other animals and protect its existence. So with an evolving brain that has more and more capabilities, the understanding of self transposes from simple feelings to a relatively precise description. Also in order to simulate reality you need the capability of a thought observing another thought, to verify its correctness and adjust. So self reflection and consciousness could be just and evolutionary trait of an advanced neural network that needs to protect its existence...
I would suggest studying the philosophy of the ancient Hermetics. They seemed to have figured out more of what this existence is truly, more than anyone else in recorded history.
The All is mind. The universe is mental.
Why do you believe in Hermetics?
Have you read the Upanishads? I think they have an even deeper level of truth than the hermetic laws, yet they are essentially the same thing.
Is there really a way to measure the successes of any practice against another without something to give us a clue what is the case?
I am not religious, I don't like the term atheist or agnostic to label myself; I am also a big lover of philosophy, however, the flaw of man and all of our biases and blind spots make it hard to see anything but outlr inflated intellect, which could be totally far off as well.
@@shaneashby5890 Well, I could end up writing a book here trying to answer your question, but to keep it short and sweet, I believe their teachings reconcile quite a few paradoxes as they relate to the deeper questions we attempt to explore in life. Such as, “who and what is my consciousness?”
@@ElephantWhisperer222 No, I have not. Though, I believe I have came across the name of the text in other studies. Thank you for the suggestion. I will be looking into this one.
Elon seems to be tapping into something closer to the bigger picture in here
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spirit and soul are not the same, that much can be said.
There can be a noticeable difference in anyone who’s spirit and soul aren’t aligned…say vibrationally.
Things come to mind are encounters with lying or not trusting oneself. That vibe follows you if you allow it and not everyone will pickup on it. It could be that way for a long time too. The scale of shame surely determines the severity of how shook they are compared to how they appear in the material
My thoughts exactly.
Evolution. Simulated consciousness to run the biological robot that we are. The episodes with Joscha Bach were amazing for this topic.
this I the problem with naive empiricism. taking your atheistic materialistic worldview to its logical conclusion would mean the mind would be reduced to the physical brain and all thoughts in the brain would be determined by the laws of physics and chemistry, thus eliminating freedom of thought. But freedom of thought and the ability to freely weigh evidence are requirements for reaching justified knowledge claims. it's a self defeating worldview. there is no solution to this besides the Trinity creating us with freedom of thought and there are very good reasons why God must be a trinity but too much to go over in a CZcams comment.
Continue living in delusion
Near death experience. NDE.
Whenever we try to go deep into the question we eventually frame another question specially about existential questions like elon said quarks and leptons are from beginning of universe and then Lex mentioned "beginning of universe" and these thoughts ..well thought(define thought)😅😅 ..Uuhhh if anybody came to any satisfied answer for the whats is life and thoughts,emotions and everything plz reply maybe it will help me to go closer to answer..:)
That’s exactly the case ❤️the missing big thing goes behind our understanding of physics its effects is huge and its beyond our existence
Two super robots calculating consciousness.
What is Consciousness?
@@shaneashby5890 Well, to be quite frank, it doesn't actually exist
@@lakeboy1908 So you’re saying self awareness doesn’t exist? Being aware of my words on your screen doesn’t exist? The knowing of your own existence doesn’t exist?
Please tell me you’re joking?
@@shaneashby5890 welcome to the matrix
@@ayusharyal5877 The fact that you used the term matrix tells me you’re confused.
Our brain computes multiple different sensory inputs (eyes etc.), combines it with previous memories of experiences and saves the new ones, all of this is happening in parallel configuration and is incredibly complex operation running "on the background". Our consciousness is sort of user friendly "top layer" representation of that parallel machine's workings and it feels "serial" to us. It probably developed because it was a survival advantage to be able to predict behavior of your group mates so you had to put yourself into their heads to predict whether they are angry or happy etc. The ones who could navigate better in their social group had better chance of not getting killed and to spread their genes. "Next generation" (meaning many generations later) of these better predicting "humans" were thus even harder to predict, because they themselves could predict people around them and could plot all sorts of potentially malign behavior so consciousness grew more and more complex to accommodate for those intricacies in a feedback loop manner making us capable of not only considering other's intentions, but also putting ourselves into that equation, because if you consider what others think that are your intentions, it might help to predict what they will try to do about it. For example if I know I stole someone's food and I know they know and they are coming towards me looking angry with a stone in their hand, it might be better not to try to hug them, but either run or fight. This should then make you technically "self aware".
very well explained,
interesting thing is that we are all.... well not just we, EVERYTHING is created by the same thing -atoms, in theory if you could manipulate atoms you could create what ever you want, human, an ant, rock or ice cream it won't make much of a difference
Everything is concious ✨️
We are awakening w the truth of our existence. We are all one.
Could it just be people’s emotions and thoughts are derived from how our hormones are reacting chemically in our body. This is the ID or lizard 🧠brain reaction. I think “love” is chemical memory reactivating in our thoughts, which in turn, turns into a strong emotional energy.
No.
I actually think it’s the other way around. You can control your hormones by manipulating your own thoughts and emotions.
Actually, if you work on letting go of all your emotions and thoughts you will see you ego fall apart.
At the end of that you might even have strange spiritual abilities show up that seem supernatural or non physical.
@@Noumenon4Idolatry What about you primal instincts? I guess maybe navy seals are taught to fight against theirs in training and in war-time. I would say that is a super power.
In other words our brain uses chemicals so that we can experience emotions, but the emotions aren't happening in our brain, per se.
@@christinet638
What’s a primal instinct?
Like the fear of death or a desire to live? I don’t know man.
I usually just work on letting go of the fear of death and getting out of fight or flight. What appears to be good for your survival, to your mind, really isn’t good for you.
I find faith works good for me but o have to let go of fear first.
Then I get out of survival mode or reptile mode. My emotions don’t overwhelm my life that way and it puts me in the drivers seat.
His mannerisms tell it all... Elon has become a wise man... quirky sometimes but wise
Hmmmmmmmm sounds familiar- nice to see fans discussing one’s work but oh I love him! AI doesn’t need to pave that path although it can. It’s possibly answerable via logic. He’s so smart and seems to really consider different sides and that’s why I respect and admire him so very much
How intriguing
First time I’ve heard Elon pondering the profundity of perception, or the possibility o a soul or spiritual existence. Lex seems trapped in naïveté.
You’re absolutely mindless
how is it naive at all to ask questions like that? please explain my lord. i mean your profile picture is of an expensive yellow car..?
I think Lex's lack of conviction for the existence of the soul is endearing and most of us love him for it regardless of our own personal beliefs because he is at least striving for an answer. But I would have to agree it often gives him the appearance of being naive for this lack of conviction of the truth.
Douche alert
@@alexmonza2823 The human condition exists for as long as there are humans that exist.
Lex is clearly the more intelligent person in this conversation.
its not a competition, one can be more intelligent in certain subjects, but ignore others
Both Elon & Lex are people worthy of my respect towards their work & sincerity. 100%
“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.” Tesla
“Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Amen
As in the Quantum field is already happening I believe, probably you need to look into the Vedic and Buddhist traditions and translate that to modern scientific approaches. Intelligence won’t be to hard. What we are, the great all, however can probably not be grasped by “intelligence”. We are it when stripped down to our bare essence. It’s beyond anything because it is everything. Something like that 😅 Ancient spiritual traditions and their “scientific” branches are our best bet apart from just knowing who we are beyond the person. I think 😉
I don’t agree with everything he does but at his core he knows there is something more, he is sending message about consciousness and expansion he is on his own journey to discover the meaning of his purpose and l like that😊 l like that part of him
Energy never dies
The human brain is a processor and consciousness is a virtual machine running on that processor.
how is it virtual?
once you meet God... you'll understand there is only God
You are so correct, Vishnu is a plethora of greatness 👏
What if, god was just a simulacrum?
Which God? So many, unlikely any are rea. Humans just need to believe in one fairytale or another
@@TheFnut Vishnu is no simulacrum you heathen!!!! How dare you question the great destroyer 👏
@@Crypto_Circusdo some bufo and you'll understand then lol
Seems like soul is the fabric and structure of what our bodies are made out of that produces a conscious mind awareness state
Love him❤ glad that he exist in my world, appreciate what we have now, God bless his long life🙏🙏
A Soul is not real, just a theory.
You have a soul whether you want to believe
How can you be so certain? Nothing in the unknown realm is certain, we do not know. Humans once believed unequivocally that the Earth was flat, that the Earth was the center of the universe. Imagine telling a human being from 2000 years ago that some day people will communicate with each other via little electronic boxes that we call the phone and talk to and see each other across the globe in real time. What if you told them humans will build giant airplanes and rockets to travel in space? They would think you were a madman.
@@charlesbotensten prove it?
@@charlesbotensten It's like saying Santa Claus is real whether you believe it or not.
@@Crypto_Circus It can't be "proven" anymore than you could "prove" to a blind person that the color blue exists. A "soul" (if it exists) would be beyond our physical world. There would be literally no way for us to detect and measure it.
We are all just Stardust and Energy.... as much a part of it all as anything out there... Can't be any other way.
that's an unscientific claim
Not to argue, but we very well could be more than simple energy and matter. problem is, we'd have no way to understand it...at our current level.
@@LuckyFleshWhat is it that knows energy and matter?
@@threatened2024 Excellent point. I was just thinking the same thing.
@@shaneashby5890 I can't answer that.
Consciousness is a session of programmable memory held on the stack within this simulation, it allows for attributes to be stored until required (memories), runs all the applications (daily chores), and allows for communication between you an application and the operating system for the matrix.
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try reading yoga sutras of patanjali..